How many armored soldiers from the late middle ages would you need to appreciably affect a bronze age battlefield?
>>64738044a couple of guys with handgonnes and the enemy will flee thinking their gods have abandoned them
>>64738044Which bronze age? There are several.
>>64738044Foot soldiers? Quite a lot. Mounted knights? Possibly as few as 100.
>>64738044Which battlefield? With how big armies?
>>64738044You would need enough of them to be able to form a coherent military unit. But also, historical evidence suggests you'd need about 200 late medieval soldiers to do whatever you want in a bronze age environment
>>64738044IT DEPENDS!
>>64738368Once crossbowmen, pikemen, and gunners became common on the battlefield, pre-Late Medieval/Renaissance era warfare was dead, effectively. The Black Army of Matthias Corvinus in the late 15th century AD could easily defeat every single army created before it in a pitched battle, and I'm not exaggerating.
>>64738395The best one
One at sufficient velocity
>>64738044Bronze Age soldiers were heavily armed for fighting on open terrain, Greek battles were more like a sport than all-out war where anything goes, late medieval armies on the other hand were more guerrilla-oriented needing to be ready to fight at any moment. On terrain well-suited to ancient soldiers they wouldn't be at such a disadvantage whereas in a forest or mountain they would be massacred>>64738044
oh an assuming you had time to prep, 1 knight and 1 guy with a horse cart could absolutely conquer the entire bronze age world if instead of fighting they taught their new hosts how to make proper horse tack like real saddles, horse collars, and stirrups.everyone thinks about stirrups but the horse collar is more important, Europeans couldn't get a full horsepower out of a horse until like AD900. A knight, who is an expert rider and groomsman, would be able to teach his new hosts all of this.
>>64738614>Tunguska Event knight
>>64738368It's funny sci fi fags always imagine this scenario but it never actually happened the thousands of times people actually encountered explosives for the first time.
>>64738614The degree to and speed which you need to go back has reached terminal velocity.
>>64738044A few hundred. Bronze age armies vary l, depending on century, from outright tiny, to very large, but with a LOT of badly equipped and trained rabble and a small core of well equipped elites. A couple hundred men at arms would crush those elite cores with ease, and would be utterly untouchable to the average combatant.
>>64738044I think the most well known bronze age battle we have any significant evidence for is the Tollense Valley battle with around 5,000 combatants and 1,000 dead in north eastern germany during the Nordic Bronze Age
>>64738044>appreciably affectA couple dozen. That's an incredibly low bar. An extra thirty elite shock troops would have "appreciably" effected a lot of bronze age battles, some armies had very extreme force concentration with huge swaths of useless assholes and tiny companies of heavily armed elites.
>>64738852The battle of khadesh had 30,000 men present at the low end.
>>64738888Written down yes, in terms of archeological evidence all we have are the inscriptions themselves
>>64738571>Once crossbowmen, pikemen, and gunnersTwo of these three things existed in the Bronze Age.
>>64738688umm.. In the siege of Viborg in 1495 the sieging russians fled when the defenders set fire to the powder magazine because they believed it was black magic
>>64738368That's not how it works at all. There have been plenty of instances of troops encountering unheard of technology and their training kicks in where they either can't comprehend it as a threat or they know nothing else other than to attack. Horse cavalry charging against machine guns or tanks comes to mind.
>>64738044Like the other anon said, we got a real life example of this in the 1500s>>64738651>>64738614lal
>>64739052The cavalry that charged machine guns and tanks knew perfectly well what they were facing.
>>64739032Yeah as we know people don't run away from non magical explosions ever.
>>64739134The point is they believed it was black magic or divine punishment. These were christians as well, in the bronze age Gods and magic were everywhere in the minds of the people.
>>64738519Weren't the Amerinds using stone weapons though?
>>64739153>These were christians as wellMeh, until Europeans actually started reading the bible en masse (ie. the reformation), there is no great difference in their metaphysical worldview. To medieval Europeans, Gods and magic was still everywhere, and they were doubly afraid of it because now everything is a threat to the salvation of their souls (tm).
>>64739184>Meh, until Europeans actually started reading the bible en masse (ie. the reformation), there is no great difference in their metaphysical worldview.Nigger, the bible was simply read in public before that.
>>64739162it's not like the spanish were all wearing plate armor, they were mostly wearing leather, cloth and locally-sourced garments. Even if they were all wearing plate and chain a handful of guys can still be mobbed and beaten to death by people with wooden clubs without enough men for cohesion.
>>64739184you are probably right, original point stands.In addition in 1495 guns were commonplace (hence the powder magazine) for a bronze age man a handgonne/cannon/gunpowder would be something completely alien.
>>64739199In a made up language incomprehensible to the public.
>>64739202What does that have to do with my question?
>>64739208>original point standsAbsolutely.I was just adding some cooontext.>for a bronze age man a handgonne/cannon/gunpowder would be something completely alien.Yeah. I wonder what the highest level of audio-visual sensory stimulus a bronze age warrior might be expected to have experienced. Surely nothing that comes close to gunpowder.
>>64739211Latin was the lingua franca and translations existed literal centuries before the reformation.How are you this uneducated on the period? I bet you're one of those tardlets that believes you could pay to have your sins forgiven when all you ever needed to do was confess lmaoConfession's free, buddy. Always was.>>64739208Probably wouldn't even need projectiles in half of them for the same effect.
>>64739227>Latin was the lingua francaYour latin appears insufficient to even note the irony of this sentence, so we'll just move on to the point:No, the average medieval man in medieval Northern Europe absolutely did not speak clerical latin.>translationsThe average man in medieval Northern Europe was barely literate, and until the last few decades of the medieval period, there were no printing presses. Since you seem like you need it spoonfed, this means all books were manuscripts, making them prohibitively expensive.>How are you this uneducatedIronic, really.
>>64739286>Your latin appears insufficient to even note the irony of this sentence,Nigger, I studied both Latin and English, the latter with a focus on Middle and Old English and the kingdom of the Franks the term derives from ended centuries before that.>No, the average medieval man in medieval Northern Europe absolutely did not speak clerical latin.Unless he could read, so the language wasn't the issue. Any educated man (and literacy usually made you one) knew Latin which used to be the case in the western world until fairly recently. During your grandfathers time any two random professors could've probably held a conversation in the bathroom in Latin.Unless you're a zoomer, maybe. That'd at least explain the brain damage though.> Since you seem like you need it spoonfed, this means all books were manuscripts, making them prohibitively expensive.The bible was rarely copied in its entirety, usually smaller passages or single books were in circulation. Even with the printing press didn't change that for quite a while.>Ironic, really.You need to stop being so arrogant, you barely know anything outside of pop culture tropes any it shows.
>>64739336>Nigger, I studiedNo refunds.>Unless he could readThen he wouldn't be average. Are you having some sort of episode?>your grandfathers time>1495I'm sorry anon, I'm not qualified to deal with this level of ADHD scatterbrain.
>>64738519200 medieval soldiers the power of God and these 10,000 native Allies I found
>>64739367>No refunds.I'm doing well with it, thank you for your concern.>Then he wouldn't be average.Which is why I never said the average man could read or speak Latin, you stupid fucking retard. Did you even read any of my posts?>>your grandfathers time>1495> I'm not qualified to deal with this level of ADHD scatterbrain.All you need to do is learn basic English.>which used to be the case in the western world until fairly recently>until fairly recently>During your grandfathers timeI'm talking about the 1950s, anon. You need to be 18 to post here.
>>64739399>I've interrupted a conversation about average men in the 1495 to talk about professors in the 1950sok schizo-anonbest of luck
>>64739411Anon, I told you knowing Latin back then for an educated man was fairly normal and it stayed like that until very recently.The fact that you didn't know that is just sad.
>>64739162Some groups in South America did actually have bronzeworking and did use limited amounts of bronze weapons, mostly axes and maces.>>64739202based illiterate
>>64739429>>64739411>or an educated man was fairly normalTalking to you seems to be actively making me dumber, why the fuck did I structure the sentence like that?
>>64739227>Latin was the lingua francaNo, that'd be the lingua franca you retard. The rest of your retarded spiel is also wrong, the Pope is the antichrist and you are going to hell btw
>>64739460>No, that'd be the lingua franca you retard.No. Though, ironically the Franks massively contributed to Latin spreading further after the collapse of the Roman Empire.>The rest of your retarded spiel is also wrong,Nah, go to confession, faggot. >the Pope is the antichrist and you are going to hell btwKeep on seeking the easy way out like your weak ancestors, it won't change reality.
>>64739492No one ever after the fall of the Roman empire has used latin for casual conversation. Its never been the language of diplomacy. Science yes. Not trade or diplomacy. Even in the roman empire, greek was more commonly used.
>>64739500>No one ever after the fall of the Roman empire has used latin for casual conversationWrong.>Its never been the language of diplomacy.Wrong.>Science yes. Right.>Not trade or diplomacy.Wrong.>Even in the roman empire, greek was more commonly used.Wrong, unless you're talking about eastern Rome, aka not real Rome, aka Byzantium.Which is especially stupid, because we're talking about Europe, you ape.
>>64738044>How many armored soldiers from the late middle ages would you need to appreciably affect a bronze age battlefield?a lot, despite the time gap we're talking about a brutal period in history with organized warfare, sophisticated tactics and strategies employed by hardy men living cut-throat lives and this is stereotypically considered the time of peak personal bravery for battlefield commandersalso well made bronze weapons are of higher quality than iron weapons; iron is just cheaper
>>64739500He's gotta be trolling anon, I wouldn't feed him too much if I were you.
>>64739512>Which is especially stupid, because we're talking about Europe, you apeThe New Testament was written in Greek and not Latin for a reason, it's because Judea was part of the Roman Empire and the language people used there was Greek.>b-but that's eastThe split had not yet occurred.
>>64739512No moron, not just the eastern empire. The economic weight was the mediteranean, and greek colonies had always been wider spread than Roman. Even under the diadochi Greek had become the language of trade all across the Med long before the ascendancy of the Romans.
>>64739594Even the Jewish machine demon knows that basic fact, anon.>>64739603>The New Testament was written in Greek and not Latin for a reasonBecause of Greek Jews.>it's because Judea was part of the Roman Empire and the language people used there was Greek.Wow, no shit? Irrelevant to the point though. Also...>The split had not yet occurred.The middle east, northern Africa and Asia minor are not Europe, niggerboy.>>64739616That's amazing and irrelevant, anon.
>>64739620>The middle east, northern Africa and Asia minor are not Europe, niggerboy.They are however Rome. And they spoke Greek there, because the Romans spoke Greek there. Because the Romans spoke Greek.
>>64739625>Because the Romans spoke Greek.Kinda depends on the time, in the late republic/early principate Greek was still seen as kinda faggy by real true Romans (TM) and Cicero was annoyed at that. Probably part of the reason why he put so much effort into translating Greek philosophy in word and thought into something more palatable for Romans and it never really reached great popularity in the west outside of Greek colonies.
>>64739620wait I didn't even look at your pic this retard really pulled out a screenshot of chatgpt like it proves a point lmao what a retarded faggot
>>64739500>Its never been the language of diplomacy.Honestly, I'd kill myself if I knew as little as you do while being this arrogant
>>64739620>student debt>chatgptEducating the masses was a mistake.
>>64739660>>student debt0>>chatgptAnon, this fact is so basic and well known that I'm not going to recommend any of the many fucking books about it to you, because if you had the ability to read more than one page at a time, you'd know that already.And if you were genuinely interested in the topic, you would've already read at least one of them. You can probably get Jürgen Leonhardt's book for free with any kind of institutional university access if I humiliated you enough at this point for you to study the classics at any university worth mentioning.
>>64739653Yeah, we weite down the treaty in Latin. Did I argue the treaty with you in Latin? Absolutely not. We did it in whatever the lingua franca was, or a language we both speak. You think Hussite caechs were negotiating with the HRE in latin that no one spoke? Fuck outta here.
>>64739678>uses chatgpt as a "source">thinks he humiliated anyone>still hasn't realized the topic being discussed was rando warriors in 1495 in Northern Europewhew ladmy days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle
>>64739708>Did I argue the treaty with you in Latin? Absolutely not.Sure you did, if that's the only language you share with me, which was frequently the case at the negotiation table>We did it in whatever the lingua franca wasFor quite some time it was Latin.>or a language we both speak.Latin's a likely contender there.>You think Hussite caechs were negotiating with the HRE in latin that no one spoke? They spoke German, because Czechs are just Slavs who were germanized enough to create a functional civilization.>>64739709>>64739678>if you had the ability to read more than one page at a time, you'd know that already.>And if you were genuinely interested in the topic, you would've already read at least one of them.
>>64739709The entire spergout is because he is a papist and you can't denigrate his useless holy tongue nobody spoke and the Bible wasn't written in.
>>64739728Only the king and the nobility and clergy would speak Latin fucktard. If I am a landsknecht captain called Clausewitz von Guderian besieging some french faggots just across the Rhine somewhere, led by Rene du Camus du Lothringen, we are more likely to use hand gestures than Latin to communicate.
>>64739759>Only the king and the nobility and clergy would speak Latin fucktard.Nah.>If I am a landsknecht captain called Clausewitz von GuderianDo you know how to read? Then you probably learned Latin too.That aside>von Guderian>not a nobleretard.>besieging some french faggots just across the Rhine somewhere,That's still Germany, you stupid cunt.>Rene du Camus du Lothringen>du Camus du Lothringen>not a nobleDouble retard.
>>64739773I explicitly used noble surnames to bait you.
>>64739783Next you'll say you were only pretending to be retarded all along.
>>64739755All flavors of christfags smell like matzah balls to me, but the absurd insistence that the Northern European medieval public would have a thorough understanding of the bible being read to them in clerical latin because of the fact that 1950s professors spoke latin is wilder chutzpah than most.
>>64739755>>64739795Latin isn't holy and you need both Latin and Greek if you wanna read the Church fathers (who were all Catholic).But that doesn't change the fact that you retards are just wrong about the widespread usage of Latin in European history.>but the absurd insistence that the Northern European medieval public would have a thorough understanding of the bible being read to them in clerical latin because of the fact that 1950s professors spoke latin is wilder chutzpah than most.Damn, anon, that's crazy.Nobody insisted on that though. Maybe we have to start with your reading comprehension before we get to basic European history.
>>64739788I am German you dont think I know what "von" means in a surname?Fact is, no one was talking in Latin to one another when they were negotiating something like the treaty of Westfalia. Far more likely French and German, with some interpreters going back and forth. Latin is to give it all a shine of respectability. Its like the UN today. They all have translators translating the speeches into the native languages of all the world leaders, but they are speaking English when just chatting.
>>64739808Sorry gayfag, real Aryans only care about Arius. Gothic and Greek are the only languages that matter.
>>64739810>I am German you dont think I know what "von" means in a surname?I don't think you know much about anything, considering that you weren't aware that Latin was the lingua franca for large parts of European history.>Fact is, no one was talking in Latin to one another when they were negotiating something like the treaty of Westfalia.That treaty? Probably not, others? Definitely.Just because you write "fact is" before nonsense, doesn't mean it's true. But since you're German, you can read Jürgen Leonhardt's book in the original language. It's a nice little entry point for absolute beginners without any historical knowledge outside of movies. You know, people like you who never read a non-fiction book before.Though it's kinda fascinating how you built a fake reality in your mind just to talk shit online.
>>64739808>Nobody insisted on that thoughIs this crude gaslighting a core tactic of the judeolatry apologia, or are you legitimately schizophrenic?>>64739199>>64739211>>64739227
>>64739822Anon, Latin is as Aryan a language as Gothic or Greek. They're all Indo-European.Most languages in Europe outside of stuff like Hungarian or Finnish are, that's the whole reason why Finns and Hungarians had to become honorary Aryans, since the Aryan classification was based on languages.>>64739826Don't link the post, quote the part where I insisted that >the Northern European medieval public would have a thorough understanding of the bible being read to them in clerical latin because of the fact that 1950s professors spoke latinYou won't find it because you made that up.Or you're so retarded and unable to parse basic English that you took random bits of sentences I wrote and then put them together in your schizophrenic mind to fit an argument I've never made, possibly based on an argument you had with somebody completely different on another day. You need help, anon. And a language course.
>>64739825Take whatever treaty you like. The English and French werent negotiating anything *verbally* in Latin during the hundred years war, they would just have spoken French. Or whatever the premodern regional dialect of it was that they happened to speak. Occ or something.
>>64739837>Anon, Latin is as Aryan a language as Gothic or GreekWell no, that's untrue, considering Germanic languages arose from descendants of the corded ware culture, as did Indo-Iranian languages. Latin and Greek did not.Regardless, it's a joke about Arius you retard you're not supposed to take it seriously just because you're shitskin Spanish speaker
>>64739843How about negotiations between Spaniards and Germans? Or Swedes and Italians?>The English and French werent negotiating anything *verbally* in Latin during the hundred years war, they would just have spoken French.You think the English nobility being French had something to do with it? Stupid cunt.>>64739847>Well no, that's untrue, considering Germanic languages arose from descendants of the corded ware culture, as did Indo-Iranian languages. Latin and Greek did not.You probably shouldn't have used Greek as an example then, dummy.
>>64739837>posts chatgpt as a source>you're not allowed to aggregate data thoughkek midwits with degrees are going to be the death of us.You've already conceded that Latin was only spoken by the educated parts of society, which clearly would not have any impact on whether the public would understand it when read out loud to them. You can keep pissing and shitting yourself as much as you like, but eventually you are going to get a cold ass regardless.
>>64739858Whatever spanish cunt happened to speak Geeman would have translated for them and vice versa.Also Italy and Sweden? Sweden was only involved in wars on the continent during the reformation, and the only Italians involved in that were maybe a few comdottieri under French or German command. They wouldnt be negotiating shit.
Faggot OP's question is far to vague to meaningfully answer as usual but I think armored Knights would have blown the minds of new kingdom Egyptians. A guy dressed head to toe in steel plates on a giant horse big enough to ride with stirrups and steel weapons would be like Iron Man showing up on a modern battlefield. Cataracts in general probably BTFO any force not trained and equipped to deal with them.
>>64739859>>posts chatgpt as a sourceI gave you a book too, weird how you keep ignoring that.Maybe because you're embarrassed by your ignorance and prefer to pretend the easily available information out there doesn't exist?That's kinda weird, because it's really basic knowledge you should know. Latin is THE example of a European lingua franca before English took over.>hurr durr but muh FrankishYeah, that one's ironically not the example people go to.>You've already conceded that Latin was only spoken by the educated parts of society,It was a foreign language. The lingua franca tends to be for lots of people.>which clearly would not have any impact on whether the public would understand it when read out loud to them. I never said it was.>You can keep pissing and shitting yourself as much as you like, but eventually you are going to get a cold ass regardlessThat's nice, anon, but maybe you should just learn how to read?>>64739867>Whatever spanish cunt happened to speak Geeman would have translated for them and vice versa.Unnecessary when both parties spoke Latin, which was highly likely at the level where negotiations happened.>Also Italy and Sweden? Sweden was only involved in wars on the continent during the reformationHave you ever heard of mercenaries, you dumb cunt?>They wouldnt be negotiating shitActually even they negotiated all the time. How are you this sure about so many things you clearly have no idea about and never even read anything about?What exactly do you think mercenaries do?
>>64739549No they aren't. Heat treated iron was far superior to bronze. It could be harder,more durable and more flexible. Iron only taking over because it was cheaper is a retarded myth, especially since the use of bronze never stopped. It just wasn't as usefull for weapons and even nobles that could have afforded bronze started using iron instead.
>>64739858>You probably shouldn't have used Greek as an example then, dummy.Arius wrote in Greek you retard. The largest group of his followers were the Eastern Germanic peoples, of whom the Goths produced a translation of the Bible in Gothic. Hence the two languages crucial to the Arian world were Gothic and Greek. Also Vandalic in reality.
>>64739918This is the same guy who asserted Latin was more common in the Roman Empire, while Greek had been spoken all across the Med since the days of Alexander. Best to just ignore him, all he knows is hallucinations fed to him by ChatGPT.
>>64739884<would not have any impact on whether the public would understand it when read out loud to them.>I never said it was.The circumcision of your heart did not give you their magic pilpul powers, it seems. You posted the following in response to my claim that the public would not have known much about the biblical worldview prior to the reformation.>>64739199>the bible was simply read in public before that.When you finally decide to change your soiled pants, I want you take the time to think about the immense amount of resources you've wasted getting a piece of paper which declares you to be a real smart boy only to be dunked on by random internet anons simply because they were born with the innate capability to remember more than three consecutive posts at a time.Vale!
>>64739918>Arius wrote in Greek you retard.Anon, you shouldn't have used Greek as an example because it's as Aryan as Latin.Your joke wasn't funny and very autistic, but despite all the autism, you failed to take that into account.You even fail at being an autist, I hope your parents don't find out, they'd probably kill themselves.>>64739939>This is the same guy who asserted Latin was more common in the Roman EmpireIn regard to Europe? Sure.You know, the topic we were talking about, which I literally mentioned in the post when I said the east is fake and gay.You're still seething about me because I exposed you for not knowing Latin was the European lingua franca lmao>>64739957>You posted the followingYeah, I also posted translations existed long before the reformation and never said it was read in Latin or left untranslated, even just orally.Rest of the post is tldnr because you once again failed basic reading comprehension and substituted what I wrote with what you imagined.You did that quite a lot during this conversation in increasingly embarrassing ways. I still haven't figured out how you thought me mentioning that Latin was far spread until very recently among educated circles means that northern European peasants spoke it.Honestly, I think you're just genuinely autistic. I've dealt with some autists in my life, both personally and professionally and your complete inability to consider the words of another person in any other meaning than what immediately comes to mind for you, even if it's completely nonsensical and not what the sentences express in any way, is a sign of autism or a communication disorder.
>>64740002>doesn't know who Arius is or what Arians wereYou're a retard lol
>>64740007I've worked with Gothic in some of my linguistic studies and he came up for obvious reasons.But you chose to mix in>real Aryans and then didn't go all the way with it because you didn't know what the term "Aryan" was actually based on.As I said, you chose to be an autist with some midwit inside joke but failed to go all the way with it.
>>64740002Everyone knows the gay ass assertion that "Latin was the lingua franca". You learn that in high school. What I and the other guy are saying and you deliberately misunderstand, that it was barely even used during real negotiations between anything lower than something like a marquesse. Nor was it actually used by traders tha5 mich, only the kind that would be big and wealthy enough to negotiate actual contracts. Björn the fur merchant isnt speaking Latin with Achmed at the Bazaar in Cordoba. I am asserting that this "commonly known fact" is a huge exaggeration with no real world basis to it.
>>64740018>What I and the other guy are sayingIs wrong.Next.>I am asserting that this "commonly known fact" is a huge exaggeration with no real world basis to it.And I gave you a book, one among many written about it, you can use to educate yourself further.
Just as an aside, I did get the Arius joke, and thought it was at least mildly humorous.Everyone-is-an-autist-but-me-anon is probably just trolling out of boredom.
>>64740043I never said I'm not autistic, but I don't have the communication problem of McSpergout or the lack of knowledge of the guy seething about Catholics.If you're gonna make a joke like that about esoteric knowledge while explicitly bringing in Aryans, you should get that right.As I said, he failed as an autist. It's disheartening to see, but expected of a protestant.You cannot see me spitting as I wrote that word, but rest assured that I did.
>>64740027Your book is gay and all you need is common sense to know that in a largely illiterate Europe, the vast majority of cross cultural exchanges in any form, whether trade or negotiation or even slinging insults over the parapets, were not being conducted in the language of the elite. Making Latin... well not the actual lingua franca. Because hardly anyone spoke it.
>>64740094>were not being conducted in the language of the eliteIt wasn't just the language of the 1%, anon.>Making Latin... well not the actual lingua franca. Because hardly anyone spoke it.Sure, but that's not true. Go read any of the like 100 books about it. Your basic assumption is that Latin was similar to how it is today, meaning that smart, good looking, well-educated and successful people like me know it, but dumb, lower-class human cattle like you don't know it.And while that assumption is correct, you must realize that there's a middle-ground and that a lot of people in that middle-ground knew Latin. Depending on when and where you were, literacy was often a lot more widespread than you seem to think as well, but, funnily enough, you didn't need to know how to write to pick up enough Latin to communicate. We have sources of medieval monks noting down common mistakes and complaining about people making them and the nature of those mistakes clearly attests to them being born from Latin being SPOKEN and not written as those mistakes wouldn't come naturally from a purely or even mostly written language.
>>64740016It's ok that you didn't get the joke.>and then didn't go all the way with it because you didn't know what the term "Aryan" was actually based on.That's extra hilarious, your jokes are nearly as good as mine!If you can tell me what language this is without using chatgpt (let's be real, you can't) you'd know exactly what I know about the Aryans.>>64740043yeah pretty much
>>64740112Yeah they were complaining about their novices in the monastery anon. John the pig farmer wasnt going around reciting the our father in Latin and being told off on his pronounciation.It also extremely depends what period we are talking about. 800 AD? Fucking no one knows Latin, not even the nobility. Its almost entirely liturgical. Charlemagne is grunting pig Latin at best and is still calling Muslims sheepfuckers in Frankish. 1450 AD? Yeah the Holy Roman Emperor and his court know Latin and all official correspondence is in Latin, and your average Burgher in Antwerp likely has some skill in it. John the pig farmer is however still stubbornly calling Muslims sheepfuckers in Ye Olde English.
>>64738614hearty chuckle
>>64740124>It's ok that you didn't get the joke.I did, you just didn't know what Aryan actually referred to>inb4 but I meant ARIANYou wrote it with a Y in the initial post, anon.>muh double entendreSure, but you still didn't know what Aryan actually means and we both know what you were referring to when you wrote>real Aryans>That's extra hilarious, your jokes are nearly as good as mine!I'm not joking, you're just uneducated on racial policies in the Third Reich.>If you can tell me what language this is without using chatgpt (let's be real, you can't) you'd know exactly what I know about the Aryans.I obviously know a lot more than you do. Was about to guess sanskrit but it looks wrong.Your test means very little when you didn't even know the definition of Aryan though.>>64740135>Yeah they were complaining about their novices in the monastery anonNot just them, no, tons of schools had clerics as teachers. Since you've read up at least a little on Karl the Great (not Charlemagne, Carolus Magnus is acceptable), you should probably know why.And why the fuck are you letting the French cuck you?
>>64740124Looks like Georgian I am guessing?>>64740157Again, there aint no fucking schools in 800 AD. We barely have recovered from the barbarians from the migration period and the Vikings are about to do a funny on England. High middle ages? Sure. Then there are schools that arent just fortified monasteries barely clinging to literacy.
>>64740157>Sure, but you still didn't know what Aryan actually means and we both know what you were referring to when you wroteWhat was I referring to?Anyway I admire you for not popping it into a LLM and pretending you knew all along, at least you have that going for you.>I obviously know a lot more than you doWell, considering you can't recognize the written form of a language actually used by the Aryans, that is doubtful.>>64740170Good guess, it does look rather similar, almost like someone mashed it together with Greek. Not it though.It's Avestan. It's the language the Zoroastrian holy texts were originally written in. It was originally entirely a spoken language, and wasn't first written (at least as far as evidence can attest) until the Sassanid era. However, it's mutually intelligible (partially) with Vedic Sanskrit, which indicates it dates to around 1500BC to 2000BC, and was kept around orally that whole time.
>>64740170>Looks like Georgian I am guessing?I remember Georgian as looking more elvish.>Again, there aint no fucking schools in 800 AD.By the late 8th and 9th centuries, most major monasteries and cathedrals in the Frankish Empire had schools, Charlemagne decreed in 789 already that every monastery and bishopric must not only become a place of learning, but also of teaching. It's not like he created a modern school system out of nothing and those schools were obviously more focused on educating the clergy, even if they had some laymen in there from the beginning, but those schools and many others later and were pretty influential in how schooling developed. By the 12th to 13th century England had grammar schools in most towns and many villages.Hint: They taught Latin. No idea how known the whole "village teacher" concept is where you're from, but it was a thing outside of England as well.https://education-uk.org/history/chapter01.htmlIf you research British/English grammar schools you'll find a lot.You and that other guy seem to basically think of medieval history as a Monty Python skit.
>>64740205>What was I referring to?By real Aryan? Certainly not just fucking Arianus and hisfollowers, you sniveling little jew.>Anyway I admire you for not popping it into a LLMI'm all natural, baby.>Well, considering you can't recognize the written form of a language actually used by the Aryans, that is doubtful.You're talking to one, sonny.
>>64740257Arianus and Arius are two different people anon....
>>64740273Freudian slip.
>>64740234The Frankish Empire, for a start, was the most advanced society in Europe at that point, outside Byzantium (where they were speaking greek) and the caliphate of cordoba (curiously also no latin). The saxon tribes, the danes, the slavic princedoms? Yeah no Latin. Church slavonic for the latter maybe. But the Poles in 800 AD were barely out of the mudhuts and pillaging phase of things. Also still Pagan. So if Latin was rare even in the Frankish Empire, we could maybe say Latin was not the Lingua Franca. It may just have been frankish.
>>64740298>The Frankish EmpireNote how you wrote Frankish and not Frenchish, stick to that and remember to call my boy Karl next time.>outside Byzantium (where they were speaking greek)Downright oriental.>the caliphate of cordoba Filthy, backward heathens.>800AD Not quite sure why you're so fixated on that number or what point you're even trying to make here. I do remember writing earlier in the thread that, ironically, the Franks greatly contributed to Latin becoming the lingua Franca in Europe.Though, going by the people you mentioned, Frankish wouldn't be either.
