Why was Austria Hungry so bad at war during WWI? They were a diverse, multiethnic country and since diversity is strength shouldn't they have been able to rape and gape the bongs, frogs and commies? Did they have inferior firearms or artillery or something?
its hard to fight when you're hungry.if only they had snickers.
>>64739977There are only 2 forces in the world capable of going full multiethnic. Thats the mongols and the han (when using mongols)
>>64739977>they were a diverse, multi ethnic forceThe answer rests in the question
They were a bunch of muti-ethnic tards who needed wrangling, but the chief tard-wrangler was also the chief tard.
>>64739977No, no, no, they were a multi-ethnic empire, which means they were a collection of non-diverse countries who hated each other locked in a room together by a hegemon who they all hated and hated them right back.
Alfred Redl was blackmailed into becoming a Spy for Russia and basically gave all of Austrias plans to the Entente
>>64739977They were just shit at managing an empire. The British employed literally millions of Indians on the frontlines and it worked out fine.
>>64739977>anglos bankroll mongoloids for free again>wHy WaS aUsTrIa So BaD aT wAr DuRiNg WwI?
>>64739977A backwards, underfunded three part army that undermined each other, they coludn´t even learn the military conlang they made, much less speak any of the dozen languages in the empire besides their own, all lead by >>64740169 , someone so idiotic that any sensible government would have hanged him as a spy and and winner of the title "most imbecile general of the war" just because Lugi "baby one more time" Cadorna was technically on the winning side.
They didn't embrace diversity. After 1866 the Hungarians got more rights but the Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Italians, Slovenes, Croats and Romanians didn't. In the war the Czechs and Slovaks outright went over to fight for the enemy.
I'm American and always had this perception that Austria was more sophisticated than Germany but I asked some Germans about this and they all said Austria is mostly retarded inbred people
>>64741732Austria was jut the inmemorial imperial seat, while German didn´t exist as a country until the developments of the margrave of Brandenburg wanting to be a king.
Vienna should have listened to Istvan Tisza, the Hungarian prime minister. He strongly opposed declaring war on Serbia, although he was ultimately pressured into accepting it. If he had his way, history would have taken a different route. After his resignation, he rejoined the hussar regiment he served in when he was young and commanded troops on the Italian front. He was genuinely well-liked by his men.
>>64739977Unsurprisingly, all the answers so far have been shit so I feel compelled to answer:>Why was Austria Hungry so bad at war during WWI?Because the empire was in general was two to three decades behind western Europe in terms of industrialization>They were a diverse, multiethnic country and since diversity is strength shouldn't they have been able to rape and gape the bongs, frogs and commies?The idea that the empire was brought down due to diversity is a retarded idea and is a product of post-war propaganda. If that was the case the French and British empires should have collapsed the same time as the Austrians. This wasn't a problem and it certainly wasn't a problem when communicating orders out in the field, as Austrian officers were required to learn the language of the dominant ethnic group of the units they were assigned to. >Did they have inferior firearms or artillery or something?Shit doesn't determine wars, they play a role but certainly marginal compared to other factors. If that were the case, the US wouldn't have lost to Vietnamese rice farmers and tribal Afghan boy fuckers.
>>64740419>Alfred Redl was blackmailed into becoming a Spy for Russia and basically gave all of Austrias plans to the Entente This. He was a homofag at a time when it was forbidden to be a homofag, which is a great way to ensure a bunch of people get an insta-blackmail button on a lot of sensitive info.
>>64740118Criminally underrated
>>64741732They are more sophisticated. The northern Protestant look down on them for being Catholic, same reason why they look down on the Bavarians as yokels. But it's funny coming from northerners, who have a stereotype of being a bunch of incompetent drunks who can't do anything right.
>>64740428This. There were other empires using multi ethnic forces like Britain or France. Austria just sucked at war ever since Eugene of Savoy died.
>>64739977as other annons have already pointed out they where hopelessly behind on industrialization. this was partly to do with the geography they inhabited. but mainly due to the different nations and how the state compensated to deal with them.for a start their rail network was a loop of the empire with the different regions inhabited by the different regions each building out their own networks that lined to the next one.that meant that they had different standards including rail gauges.now imagine trying to build an integrated industry with different rail gauges.industrial development followed a similar trajectory. if there was money to dole out everyone would want their part of it. especially Hungary, they where the second crown in the Hapsburg empire and they made damn sure Vienna was reminded of it as often as they could. so if you are building an new munitions plant in Bohemia they will be getting one as well. never mind that they haven't a good site for one, never mind the inputs aren't economical to ship, never mind there isn't a skilled work base, never mind there aren't any supporting industries.the other consequence of the differing nations is the conservative and stability desiring effect it had on the state. things where tense enough in the empire and by the time that full on industrialization had drifted over from the channel-north sea area. it had become clear that industrialization means rapid urbanization with a poor and revolt prone underclass. further more as you can see on the map here >>64741726 there where a lot of ethnic enclaves. those where often around urban centers or mineral deposits. so you'd get a double wamy of rapid urbanization and increased ethic tensions.finally I want to say that the Hapsburg state wasn't stupid, they where aware of this.they knew their system was fucked but they also knew that it was a fucked system or no system. they new they lagged behind
>>64740428>>64740428good morning, saar
>>64741732Austrians apparently all have hick accents like boomhower and betoven was born in one of the smaller states that went on to become germany. I think it's just like people over valuing vienna and progue and acting like all austrians and czechs are from vienna and progue
>>64740161I'm glad you got the joke anon
>>64739977>They were a diverse, multiethnic countryThat's what made them suck. The Czechs were the most prolific deserters. The only ones they had that put forth any sort of effort were the Bosnians.The Slovenes fought really well, but only when they were deployed against the Italians
>>64743499Your empire was shit and fell to fucking Italians because it couldn't integrate its men properly.
>>64744538I'm not a yuro, good morning, saar!
>>64739977>They were a countryAnd this is where you're effectively wrong already. Austria-Hungary was effectively two countries that happened to have the same head of state.
People shit on AH a lot. But I think they deserve *some* credits for being able to hold out as much they have on 3 simultaneous fronts with the dysfunctioning multilingual army(ies - since Hungarian Honved was separate) they had. Everyone was busy justifying their own governments post war, so nobody was there to neturally assess the empire. Nationalist sentiment was a meme. I mean it was a problem, but mostly for the rich and educated people. The poor didn't care. And Princip got bullied to death in prison for the assassination, it's funny.
>>64744538The fun thing, the Italians never kinda sorta really won against the AH. The best they did was to contain their offensive (that was already running on fumes, because the fucking Hapsburg military was starving) and when the Royal&Imperial Army started collapsing because everyone went home the Italians desperately tried to get some kind of victory to prove they did something of value and weren't simply clobbered like seals for the entirey of the conflict (Vittorio Veneto).If you stop for a moment, the survival of AH was nothing short of amazing, they had terrible industry, had to work with half of their country being Hungarians and nonetheless they managed to kinda sorta drag on with a war against the serbs, the russians and a knife in the back from the italians.Amazing they endured as much as they did.
>>64746101The main force at Karfreit were the Germans.
>>64746160Yes, and Rommel was surrounded by cheering Italian troops happy that the war was over and they were free from Savoy slavery."Caporetto was all the Germans" has always been a bit of propaganda to justify the collapse. Not unfounded, but often exaggerated.
>>64746101When you're such a great master of defense that you lose as many, if not more, men than the attacking enemy.Literally can't make this shit up.Worse than the Italians, A-H had only a couple minor victories in 1914, anything that came after that was because the Germans held their hand or just flat out ran a theater for them because they couldn't be trusted to plan or commit an operation on their own
>>64746351And the Italians never had any victories bar being crushed repeatedly and humiliatingly (oh wait they needed what, one year to get Gorizia and lose it again in 1917), and the French/British trusted them so much that they sent divisions to "help" in case the Italians scattered again. And that having the Brits and the French helping them in all ways possible and a single front to focus on. It's a miracle AH managed as well as it did, if the Italians managed the same mettle as the Serbs or the rooskies the war would have been over by 1917. And it's not even considering how secondary the entire Italian front was for the AH empire, the real meatgrinder was in the East. Let's be blunt, the Italians were barely above Ottoman-tier.
>>64739977>Why was Austria HungryBecause they didn't have enough food.
>>64741732Austria is Vienna plus a bunch of yokel hillbillies outside
