Satellite wars when?

Gee, Elon must be fucking ecstatic.

>>64741113
>sovereign satellites
>relies on SpaceX to get them in the air

>>64741132
>relies
This incorrectly implies absence of alternatives.

>>64741113

Impressionnant.

Wis zis most recent achievement, fate has in a single Gauloises puff, marked the decline of le anglo and spelled a new era of wondrous je ne sais quoi and peaceful global dominance for zee big France cock hon hon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to zee historically bloody ascent of English cochons and the cruel subjugation it brought to les petites nations of the world. With the blessings of French monocrystal baguettes, plasma cigarette technology, quantum direct-current existentialism, quantum aircraft ejection seats and quantum enhanced street mimes will be the instruments with which France affirms its noble stewardship of XXIst French République world politics and offers the non-anglo world a different option; a humanist alternative to the depredations of anglo leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateral white flag.

>>64741149
which commercial viable options do you think there are? falcon 9 price and available launches are without competition.
eutelsat already went bankrupt once when it tried to avoid spacex for political reasons.

>>64741113
Canada .... has clearly aligned itself with the EU against the United States. If the EU carries out its threat to join hands with China against the Trump-Putin axis, then Canada, will likely do the same

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>>64741132
>relies on SpaceX to get them in the air

>>64741169
>European ULA
Anon it's Jan 10. Save some material for the rest of the year.

>>64741150
>this plus you get knived out the metropolitan entrance by some algerian who'll never ever be convicted
Vive le France. Allons enfants de la patrie.

>>64741132
satellites aren't in the air, retard

>>64741187
They're not assembled in space, retard

>>64741132
>put satellite in orbit where it's good to go for a decade or two
>no you are now forever beholden to the company that provided the lift!
does the car dealership and maker get to have any say on where you drive your car?

>>64741191
>what are killswitches

>>64741113
>starlink rival
>without Falcon 9 equivalents
FFS get with the program EAS (french contrarians). Reusables work and Starlink is the live demonstration of what cheap mass spam to LEO can get you

>>64741132
>SpaceX wants to fuck with competition
>starts fucking with launch schedules
>for a program that relies on constant resupply of new sats as old run out of thruster fuel and deorbit

>>64741194
lol, lmao even

>>64741191
>>put satellite in orbit where it's good to go for a decade or two
falcon-9 doesn't do this. it will release all those small satellites at once. satellites than maneuver themselves in orbit.

>>64741150
>totally not seething

>>64741191
more like relying on your competition to loan and handle the boom lift when you need to conduct repair/maintenance on your fiber cables

>>64741199
>use company a to fuck with the competition of company b
>this will in no way lead to third parties looking for alternatives
he'd kill the goose that lays the golden eggs to prop up a business worth a fraction of it

>>64741206
>this doesn't happen all the time
it's quite normal for competing utilities providers to use each other's networks
the money you don't get to make by servicing the end costumer is made up for in the fees paid to use you network

>>64741207
>let's book starlink launches as spacex revenue
>launches now generate the most revenue
>see launches are more important as starlink
retard

>>64741215
spacex pricing falcon-9 launches like utilities is a price dumping tactic and not mandated by law

>>64741215
theres a big difference in having to use rockets to having to use cables and this case is that the entire cable network is owned and operated by one company and your competitor and the cables themselves have a backlog of competing orders

>>64741220
that what was prime defense contractors thought and got them killed by spacex that offered cheap launches for everyone

>>64741225
Huh? What does that have to do with what I said?

>>64741202
So it puts them in orbit, and then they maneuver
Fucking moron

>>64741226
~Did you know?~
You are responding to a clanker!
~Now you know~

>>64741229
those satellites aren't in any orbit and would crash back to earth if they don't maneuver

>>64741216
>>64741219
starlink is a product with a limited costumer base because getting a land connection is cheaper for the vast majority of consumers.
spacex currently holds a monopoly on affordable lift. it can print money provided they don't scare away third parties that want to use it's affordable lift to get their product in orbit.
if it starts locking out competitors of Elon's other companies that will drive away those third parties.
because they can't be sure that spacex won't stop providing them lift if Elon starts a company that competes with theirs.
keeping the lift market cornered is much more profitable than going after a niche part of the communications market. nevermind what the lawsuits for breach of contract, unfair competition ect would end up costing

>>64741226
prime defense contractors thought they had a space monopoly, then spacex showed up and ruined it

>>64741231
>those satellites aren't in any orbit
This is wrong

>>64741232
A reasonable and well articulated argument.
As counterargument, I present to you Elon's management of Tesla, Inc. and his involvement in government roles.
>Cornering the low cost ev market while maintaining a clean political image would be much more profitable than pursuing high margin large vehicles while associating himself with the political nemesis of his entire customer base
>2025
><laugh track here>

>>64741242
fair point, assuming rational actors isn't in it's self rational

>>64741235
>SpaceX, for example, would fly a large satellite to its desired orbit first as the main payload and then let the small satellites trickle out into space like afterthoughts. Whereas the large satellites were placed into orbit with great precision, the small satellites often had to maneuver their way into the right orbits over the course of several months.

>>64741250
Thank you for getting a quote to prove me right. I guess the guy trying to contradict the other guy was trying to imply the other guy was saying that spaceX would put them in final orbit when he's obviously referring to LEO generally. I guess there could be genuine confusion.
SpaceX would put them in orbit, but not in their final orbit. >>64741191 replying to this post with 'spaceX doesn't put them in their final orbit' is utterly meaningless. It puts them in AN orbit which is the hard part they (the satellites) can't do themselves.

>>64741155
>which viable options do you think there are?
Fixed that question for you.

ESA.

>muh bankrupt
Literally irrelevant for a strategic enterprise.

>>64741194
Something you really don't understand? SpaceX is the truck driver delivering the package into orbit. They don't get to open it at any point.

>>64741250
this statement is bullshit? transporter flights are in SSO usually for a reason

>>64741264
>The company was founded as WorldVu by Greg Wyler in 2012[1][2] and later, as OneWeb, launched its first six satellites in February 2019. It entered bankruptcy in March 2020 after failing to raise the required capital to complete the build and deployment of the remaining 90% of the network. The company emerged from the bankruptcy proceedings and reorganisation in November 2020 with a new ownership group. As of 2021, Indian multinational company Bharti Global, France-based satellite service provider Eutelsat and the Government of the United Kingdom were the company's largest shareholders, while Japan's SoftBank retained an equity holding of 12%.[4][8]
if your ownership group changes this drastically, you aren't a strategic enterprise to any

>>64741242
I recall reading somewhere that low-cost car production barely turns a profit compared to selling giant station wagons, so it makes no sense for a new, tiny ass company like Tesla to try and break into it.

>>64741268
every rocket has different payload fairings. satellites need to be adapted to the rocket. who do you think does this?

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>>64741290
you are a retard dude

>>64741296
none of those tiny satellites are eutelsat satellites

>>64741304
I must have missed some context of this spergout

Hey, amerianimals, playing retard on purpose doesn't work when you're already retarded.

>>64741113
It's a French company, not Franco-British.

>>64741176
Ariane 5 is putting the satellites in space already.

>>64741466
>Ariane 5 flew its final mission on 5 July 2023.[7]

>>64741842
Was. 600+ in Eutelsat constellation.

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>>64743297
go rope yourself sale pedo

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>>64743297
Something REALLY bad must have happened to monke team today.

>wants secure comms
>service is provided by someone else in another country
I hope they buy in so we can point at them and laugh

>>64741150
This post goes very hard! Love from Germany!

>>64743411
??
if starlink's ground stations weren't in turkey, iran would have shut down starlink already

>>64741157
>f the EU carries out its threat to join hands with China against the Trump-Putin axis
My yurop friends keep saying stupid shit like this and then the EU caves yet again lmao.
The real true-true is everyone is just waiting for Trump to leave because whoever comes next will just reverse everything he did

>>64743455
thats the funny part
After trump leaves you are going to get another trump, and then another trump after that!
America is just going to keep electing trumps until the social forces that put him in power are addressed, or until it collapses outright
whichever happens first

>>64743511
A third Trump would just mean everyone else would actively start to divest from you. Like if JD Vance got elected next. Its been 1 year and you barely have any friends anymore. Imagine 7 more.

>>64743455
>>64743511
>>64743528
Brown.

>>64741113
>Musk does starlink
>people flip shit how it ruined astronomy (lmao)
>Eutelsat does same thing
>omg based i love this
Im so tired of this contrarianism

>>64741232
> is cheaper for the vast majority of consumers.
Only because its already been built and its been subsidized by the government all along

Most SpaceX launches are now starlink
They could lose ALL other launches and it doesn't make any difference

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Can't wait to kill US POW

>>64743455
Yeah, not to get political but I REALLY THINK it's a bad idea to rely on others. -This much, if at all. It's not how the super power game works, it's how the being a colony game works. You're part of a free range colony. You know, like chickens. You have A trump in office and he's making a really good case on not relying on others. There is going to be another trump. It's just matter of time. He is really popular and while we could dissect why he's so popular I'm not going to bother to because then i'd derail my point. What you need to be concerned about is that there WILL be another trump. A pattern has been laid out and it will repeat itself.

Now people like yourself think
>hmm i think we can go back to the good days once he's gone.
What good days? Did you get raised by the fucking television? You live in the teletubby world? These people have been doing fucking assassination of your citizens and spying and extorting your leaders since day 1. It's just never been as obvious as today. They say "we do it because of the rules" but they make the rules so what difference does it make? EU is a free range US colony.

You absolute ape. I'm so frustrated in people like you that I cannot even put it in words. Evolution isn't only a phenomenon which occurs in living things. It's also a pattern which repeats in other contexts. If nothing is done to make this EU shit work there a strongman will force himself into power as a consequence of shitty leadership and he will be equally popular as trump. The last guy who did that sucked, killed lots civilians and didn't make any friends abroad. If you don't want that shit to happen again, and the third world war which follows, then it's time to push the current decision makers into action. Address the issues which the population rises regardless of your political stance, take this federation shit seriously before we get beyond raped and stop with the retarded multi million euro bottle cap projects!

>>64743556
oneweb is older than starlink. musk just executes at warp-speed.

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>>64743861
consider your options. alliances are smart.

>>64741113
>Canada to recive Eutelsat satellites
>Starlink rival pitches Canada on "sovereign" satellite service

which is it leaf

next you'll tell me that because Saab keeps trying and failing to sell their aging jets to Canada that means the JSF is out

>>64741113
>promoted by French president during summit

worthless thread

>>64743889
Yeah? Nice wording, very gangster like. Fits well in today's zeitgeist and politics. Here's an alternative for the future:
>Be my slave or else
Or a more fitting alternative in EU's case:
>Give bubba ass or you get no protection

It goes without saying that US would react badly to that. It goes without saying that Russia would react badly to that. It goes without saying that the Ukraine situation would end up badly, Greenland situation would go badly, but a lot of these are unavoidable concerns in which no choice exists in the first place. It's how the big boy pants work. Apparently freedom ain't free. But with trump having a bad case of stupid he's a better catalyst than any person could ask for. The amount of damage he's done is immeasurable but that creates opportunity.

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I got one for you guys

>we no longer want to be dependent on erratic foreign interests so we're buying into Eutelsat
>look inside
>Eutelsat's single largest shareholder is Sunil Bharti Mittal, India's 4th richest man

>>64743952
outdated
>On June 19, 2025, Eutelsat announced a capital increase by the French state, which will raise its stake in the group from 13.5% to 29%, allowing the French state to become the largest shareholder of Eutelsat "by the end of the year 2025."[56]

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OneWeb/Eutelsat is no more a viable alternative for Starlink than the Gripen is a viable alternative for the F-35 or the Queen Elizabeth is a viable alternative for the Nimitz

There is no satellite constellation in existence even a fraction as capable as Starlink. There MIGHT be a decade from now - and the only competitor that has a chance to actually reach parity is the one owned by Jeff Bezos lmao

>>64743939
>The amount of damage he's done is immeasurable but that creates opportunity.
For everyone except America, sure absolutely

>>64741113
>eutelsat
>starlink rival
eutelsat is a dying company desperately grasping onto anything to stay alive for one more year

>>64743556
the haters are silent about every satellite constellation except for starlink. its a combination of EDS and astroturfing.

>>64743983
>There is no satellite constellation in existence even a fraction as capable as Starlink.
starshield is more capable than starlink

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>>64744000
or you could look at actual constellations
>starlink

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>>64744090
>oneweb

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>>64743619
Jesus Christ you are a LARPer at best and your cope miasma is embarrassing. The CAF is an undermanned joke full of pink haired faggots and barely functioning ancient technology. The Ukrs laughed at our "help", and we wouldn't even exist without our American friends. Go drink the water in Wainwright and wander off into the woods you douche canoe

>>64741113
nigger thats just a wii fit board

>>64744228
Stfu nigger mutt why don't you fondle the balls of putin and choke on your faggot pedo dementia don? Canada should pour billions in american disinformation so your society fractures and you can all fight your civil war you've been craving for decades. We should then start our nuclear program while you are distracted. Can't wait seeing piles of dead republicans in the streets ;)

>64743619
>64744410
zigger

>>64744090
What's up with that awful visualization?
Also since when does Starlink have coverage in the polar regions? That's neat, it's finally becoming a global constellation.

>>64743619
There are more people in California then there are in your entire country. The only PoWs willk be leafs.

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>>64744443
yeah, they do polar orbit launches once in a while.
They've been sticking starlink on like SPoT, and various NASA balloon payloads, not to mention using it at McMudhole and field camps etc

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>>64744468

>>64744410
Canada doesn't have billions to pour into anything but self-destruction via pajeets.
"Start a nuclear program". Holy shit retard, can you be any more embarrassing? I bet your grindr profile pic is in cadpat that has someone else's initials sharpied on the tags. Kill yourself reservist.

>>64744545
Half of these posts are obvious agitprop false-flags but at the same time every time I have the displeasure of working in Canada I run into people who unironically believe in that way of thinking. Deluding ourselves into thinking they were friends was a mistake, especially since it took just one guy for them to show their true colors.

But hey, gay race communism is actually heckin' based because it owns the chuds. Anyways the next time the CPC gains the lead in polls they'll call another snap election and steal it again.

>>64741157
>Trump-Putin axis

More like the Trump-Putin-Xi axis, China and Russia are never going to align against each other as much as they hate and distrust the other, because neither has the power to take on the US alone and both know it. They'll come as a package unless Xi goes full retard and attacks the Russian far east, which is unlikely since Putin has spread open his asscheeks to them already and they have unlimited economic access.

It will be Donny and the dictators vs. the remaining globohomo free world (EU and Canada), and even then Japan and Australia might stay with the US just out of caution of being sold out to China

>>64744644
CPC is a buncha lefties anyways

>>64744014
what exactly do you mean by that?
you've never even used starshield lol

>>64744883
starshield is starlink satellites plus own satellites. it's obv more capable.
bonus: you get to define your own cells

>>64745063
you don't scale up batteries, you just put in more of the same battery

>>64744999
more capable by what metric?

>>64744457
>falling for obvious false flag
ngmi

>>64744228
>>64744457
You realise that's a chink/rusoid/brownoid trying to do d&c trolling, right?

>>64741296
Why have two of the panels been blurred? Are they the genitals of the satellite?

>>64741194
Lmao, what a fucking retard you are

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>>64744644
>especially since it took just one guy for them to show their true colors.
That one guy is president of the US, was elected by a popular majority, is saying "Hey we should invade and subjugate Canada, that'd be cool" and his supporters are enthusiastically agreeing.
You are being very disingenuous in how you frame this as "just one guy" and have no-one to blame this rift in relations on anyone but yourselves.

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>>64745122
>be me
>study history
>so many absolutely retarded wars
>so many lords & kings with absolutely no clue what they're doing
>so many people willing to follow them to death
>"haha, wow, people used to be pretty fucking ignorant in the premodern era, right?"
>look at USA today
>big man says let's annex canada
>big chunk of the republican voter base switches tracks from "no more stupid wars" to "fuck them leafs, invade canada now"
I guess this is what they mean when they say history repeats itself.

>>64745122
>bro wouldn't it be funny if I broke into your house at night and killed you in your sleep haha
>bro why are you mad, it's just a joke haha
>I mean, I would totally not do it but hypothetically it'd be very easy and i'd probably get away with it too haha
>don't get so emotional bro, maybe you should go to therapy haha
>bro don't get so upset, I might actually have to kill you in your sleep now haha
This is what the average magatard actually believes btw

>>64741288
>I recall reading somewhere that low-cost car production barely turns a profit compared to selling giant station wagons, so it makes no sense for a new, tiny ass company like Tesla to try and break into it.

German car manufacturers tried this approach and the result was german factories getting closed while Chinese car production exploded. Mass manufacturing cars is still necessary, a small hatchback might not be as profitable as a Porsche but you can sell dozens of hatchbacks for every Porsche you sell.
Tesla is selling well over a million cars a year, it's not tiny by any stretch of the imagination. High margin vehicles low production vehicles is also how Tesla got started before it had enough manufacturing capacity to mass produce 3's and Y's

Is Don aware the French have a bit of South America?

Nobody tell him

>>64745236
France has an independent nuclear arsenal so he's not going to do shit against French Guyana

>>64745228
Ceeding “low end manufacturing” to focus on the “high end” is dumb because eventually those “low end” competitors level up to start jeopardizing your high end and now you have no fallback point

>>64745250
Exactly, though the reason why western manufacturers are abandoning the low-cost segment also has a lot to do with government policy
Western governments are like
>you can't produce cars that are too unsafe or polluting, you must respect the unions and can't fire unproductive employees unless they murder someone and if you ever break any of the rules we will fine you billions. We'll be nice and give you tax breaks every now and then if you're in trouble though.
Meanwhile in China
>here's 100 trillion yuan, cheap land, rural slaves and subsidized materials. You can pollute as much as you want as long as you're producing anything that has 4 wheels and an engine. We'll make sure you also own at least 51% of any joint venture with foreign manufacturers so make sure to steal whatever tech you can get your hands on. Make sure to make EV's instead of ICE cars though, we basically have a monopoly on batteries and you guys suck at making ICE cars anyway.

>>64745276
this doesn't make any sense.
ev cars are less polluting than ice cars.
ev car makers in china have no history as ice car makers but evolved from battery cell makers.

in reality every chinese industry hub funded its own player: BYD (Shenzhen), NIO (Hefei), GAC Aion (Guangzhou), SAIC (Shanghai), etc.
the west simply doesn't have any such industry hubs anymore.

>>64746264
And yet this modern state of affairs is deliberate on the part of the west
We think its good, desirable to have everyone move to subburbs while foreigners come in

You could never scale a company up, like BYD did in the USA or Europe