I can’t believe it took a 30 minute video to say what we already knew, which is that 10mm Auto is the superior automatic handgun cartridge, and that only after having to water it and then .40 S&W down for the women, manlets, and fags in the FBI did they just settle on 9mm because there was no difference at that point. Amazing.>But muh fire rate!Literally doesn’t matter in a combat scenario, doubly so if your shots don’t actually land. Paul Harrell already established this in his 1986 Miami Dade shootout analysis. Lift weights and carry 10mm, anons.https://youtu.be/ZybcWWu4ddk?si=KptwdszD7hCNFTQE
lets not forget the same idiots talking smack about how m7 doesn't have 10 extra rounds or how it's for muh past wars when literally goat herders with PKMs and a mortar squad wrote the recipe on modern warfare
>>64743972The M7 is a pile of shit though, it would’ve been better off having just an AR-10
>>64743958>water it and then .40 S&W down for the women, manlets,This has been debunked ages ago. Funds still parroting this nonsense are pushing an ideology.
>>64743958Anon... if you find yourself clicking on YouTube videos where you already know the information in the video before you watch it. You have surpassed YouTube for the most part. It is time to seriously start thinking about building a reference collection and start reading. If you are this entrenched in this interest, do it properly.Guys who are into trains don't just get a monthly edition of train magazine and are done with it. This go train spotting, buy reference and non-fiction literature, build 1/8th scale model railways in their basement and never touch a woman.This is only the beginning of your journey, when you're 50, alone and happy. You will thank me.>you're autistic
>10mm Auto is the superior automatic handgun cartridgeFor bear country. Contemporary 9x19 is otherwise suitable for combat pistols
>>64744293Imagine if turbo-autists actually put the effort of their model trains or their Guitar Hero into the real deal.Like buying a lathe or an actual guitar.What a rich world that could be...
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>>64744280Pushing an ideology is why 10mm was reduced from 1200fps to 1050 and why .40 S&W was reduced from 1050 to 900. Watch the video.
>>64744293I’m already beyond all of that and beyond you in all things, anon. Truthfully I started this thread because I know James Reeves browses here while he slurps Glock brand horse cum and I wanted to see 9mm timmies come in here to try and argue.
>>64744296NATO 9mm ball is fine for all but the most roided out polar bear. Beads aren't armored.
>>64744296>Shooting a guy standing out in the open not behind any cover means 9mm is perfectly fine in all combat handgunning scenarios
>>64744477>Watch the video.I did. The guy mentioned nothing about the fiasco with the 1006 or that the FBI never fielded full-power 10mm. He's talking out of his ass about shit that happened 20 years before he started working for the BRF.
>>64744530>I did.No you didn’t.
>>64744483I mean if you're gonna say something braindead like 10mm auto actually being better as as service round then yeah he gets to do this
>>64743958I bet you all 20 bucks OP (who is a faggot) did not watch the video at all.
>>64745057>Calls me braindeadYou’re the one not making any legitimate arguments as to why it isn’t the best service round. Shooters who cannot handle it should not be in service.
>>64743958>muh stopping powah!When it comes to problems, bullets are like alcohol. If the amount you're using isn't sufficient; simply use more.
>>64745152Perhaps being able to shoot 10mm vs 9mm is far from the most important qaulifier?And even beyond that and nor havibg police be considered soldiers in a warzone you still have the ammo weight and amount of shots you can carry to considerDid typing this out change your mind?No of course notJesse pull up that bodycam video if the cop insta-dropping that dude with a single (luck-involved) shot from a 9mm
the traditional format for a weekend hungover jim shorts bait thread is his face in the thumbnail + allegations of shilling, but you might still get a tug on the line
>>64743958>mfw I don't own glongslidersWhy even live ? I own 3 austrian tupperwares, but not a single one is a 17L or 40. I failed.
>>64743958For the life of me I will never understand who decided the FBI are the gun, and ammunition expert. The FBI is very, very rarely has Agent Involved Shootings. Most FBI arrests are made via a phone call to the defendants lawyers to arrange a surrender. The FBI doesn't Patrol looking for violations of Federal Law, and they just don't have the experience the Police do in Officer Involved Shootings. Here: News analyses, such as one by NBC News covering 2018 to 2022, found that officers from the FBI, DEA, ATF, and US Marshals combined were involved in 216 incidents where 223 people were shot over that five-year period, averaging about 43-44 incidents per year for those four agencies combined. The FBI does not publish a specific, public annual report solely detailing every shooting incident in which its agents discharge their firearms. ALL FEDERAL AGENCIES COMBINED including The FBI, that's 44 shooting a year for ALL Federal Agencies, and DEA is involved in the most, if it were even 11 shooting per year, that doesn't make them experts. In fact the FBI has been in some of the worst AIS Miami comes to mind. They are NOT the experts. FBI found out their AGENTS couldn't qualify with 40cal & 10mm.
>>64745283>who decided the FBI are the gun, and ammunition expertBudget. The alternative was NYPD, in which case, enjoy your 12lbs trigger pull Glocks and allowed expanding ammo circa 1994 (I think, it's been a while) as the highs of ballistics research.
you stan 10mm to appear strong. you dont care about its effectiveness. the fact of the matter is that in the time it takes you to fire and get back on target with 10mm I've already shot twice and volume of fire always beats individual bullet strength.
>>64745219>nor *having police be considered soldiers in a warzoneCarrying a 10mm handgun doesn’t make you any more militarized than carrying a 9mm. Cops already use body armor and AR-15s anyway. Are you European?>You still have the ammo weight People who can’t carry a full-size 10mm + mags, aka women and pussies, shouldn’t be cops.>and amount of shots you can carry to considerA 9mm Glock 17 only holds 2 more rounds than a 10mm Glock 20 with standard mags in both. If you weren’t going to solve the issue with 15 rounds of a more powerful, deeper-penetrating, larger-expanding round, you weren’t going to solve it with a weaker one.>Jesse pull up that bodycam video if the cop insta-dropping that dude with a single (luck-involved) shot from a 9mmLuck should not even be remotely relevant in a shooting scenario. An LEOs marksmanship and weapon lethality should never rely on luck. 10mm doesn’t need luck to kill people.
>>64745294>you stan 10mm to appear strong. I am strong, that’s why I can shoot it effortlessly.>you dont care about its effectivenessI do, because heavier bullets at higher velocities are always more effective than smaller and lighter, in all circumstances.>in the time it takes you to fire and get back on target with 10mm I've already shot twiceNo you have not. I doubt you even own guns at all. I regularly shoot calibers of .44 Magnum and larger, including .500. The 10mm’s recoil is nothing for me. I can achieve shot strings faster than my friend with a lol9mm because I actually train with my weapons, which is the real reason why 10mm isn’t used, because pussies can’t or won’t be trained.>volume of fire always beats individual bullet strengthVolume of fire is useless if your rounds do not hit their target. 70-80% of shots fired by LEOs miss their target. If your accuracy is effective, then you want a round that will kill in as few shots as possible.
>still having handgun caliber wars in 2026Nobody will ever believe that the 18 year old noguns that made this thread trains with 10mm. Try harder.
>>64743958>bring up Paul Harrell (PBUH)>not knowing Paul was a berretta 92 CHAD
>>64745305>says hes strong but no pics>say hes fast but no clips>says hes accurate but no groupsrolling my eyes desu f a m
>>64743958>Paul HarrellWas an idiot.
>>64745370>>says hes strong but no pics>>say hes fast but no clips>>says hes accurate but no groups>described all of /k/Bfd. Half of whom struggle with Captcha.
>>64745327Cope, seethe, and mald timmy.>>64745341I threw mine in there too just for you, bbg>>64745370>Talks like a fag and doesn’t post guns.
>>64744280>pushing an ideology.Literally brainwashed.
>>64745387>unironically sucks glocklmao
>>64745450>Still hasn’t posted gunsIt’s not the only 10mm I’ve ever owned, btw.
>>64745341>>64745387>frame cracks within 20,000 roundsDogshit pistol.
>>64745387>sweetie, why is there a piece of paper in the trash that says "eat shit nigger?
>>64745460ENTER
>>64745461Hell, I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.
>>64744481How do you figure? I haven't seen any videos of a bear taken down with M882>>64744483Cover filters all pistol ammunition regardless of calibre, anon>9mm is perfectly fine in all combatWhere pistols are applicable in the first place, yes. The 9x19 standard is optimal because you can nuetralise the target in a single round and maximise capacity for a given frame size>>64745297>deeper-penetrating, larger-expanding roundThat's what makes it the superior bear load. Otherwise, you specifically have better splits with 9x19 in spite of your preference for 10x25 which is more relevant to combat. It's the same reason 5.56x45 and its derivatives were adopted as the infantry standard for militaries around the globe: twenty calibre is more tactical than thirty
>>64745499>Cover filters all pistol ammunition regardless of calibre, anonNo it doesn’t. Painting broad brush-strokes like this shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. Acknowledge the existence of pistols like >>64745471>The 9x19 standard is optimal because you can *neutralize the target in a single round and *maximize capacity for a given frame sizeSee the third section of >>64745297 “Can” also needs to be “will”. “Can” is weak and fallible, “will” is omnipotent.>That's what makes it the superior bear load.Bear loads use hard-cast lead for maximal penetration at the cost of expansion. I’m specifically speaking of JHP bullets against humans. Larger, more extreme permanent wound channels are given by larger, faster bullets. Period. Impingement and damage of nervous and venous tissue by larger and more rapid expansion of temporary wound channels is also more reliably accomplished by the same.>You specifically have better splits with 9x19 in spite of your preference for 10x25 which is more relevant to combat.Split times are completely meaningless if rounds do not impact the target. See 1986 Miami Dade shooting (which caliber was ultimately irrelevant in but still stands as a data point) and final part of >>64745305>twenty calibre is more tactical than thirtyComparing rifle calibers carried by infantry to handgun calibers carried by civilians and LEOs is utterly useless when you remember that neither civilians nor LEO have hundreds of pounds of additional gear to carry and worry about.Also, lern 2 spel
>>64745540>Will>Line up a shot on the knife hostage-taker>Miss completely>Clip the target's little toe with my 10mm fatcock home load>Target explodes into cloud of viscera, showering me, the hostage and the dog.
>>64745471>fuck my sister.>post lockNo thanks.
>>64745549Most based outcome possible. Could you imagine the trauma on all involved from that? Would definitely scare people into complying.
>>64745552>Muh locke!!!Seething because your attempt at dick measuring didn’t win.
>>64745540>you don’t know what you’re talking aboutProjection, learn the difference between cover, concealment and light barriers>weak and fallibleYou will nuetralise the target after only a single round of 9x19, this has been documented repeatedly>larger and more rapid expansion of temporary wound channelsThat's great for larger game but returns eventually diminish, anon>Split times are completely meaningless if rounds do not impactBecoming a better shooter requires trigger time and 9x19 affords more ammunition than 10x25 because it's less expensive across the board>lern 2 spelDo you remember how we used to spell "axe"? Two generations have already forgotten, I'm just ahead of the curve
>>64745600>learn the difference between cover, concealment and light barriersI do. Properly loaded 10mm turns the first two into the latter. I’m only being slightly facetious.>You will *neutralize the target after only a single round of 9x19, this has been documented repeatedlyOnly if you land a hit on the central nervous system, or on a large-enough blood-carrying organ or venous tissue with enough destruction so as to cause rapid bleeding and seemingly immediate incapacitation. A more powerful (meaning better penetrating and larger-expanding, energy is useless) round more reliably accomplishes all of these, so why wouldn’t you carry it? The only reason not to is if you’re too weak and small to, in which case, that’s fine, you can have your lol9mm, but you shouldn’t be in law enforcement.>That's great for larger game but returns eventually diminish, anonYou’re basically just saying “nuh-uh” because you don’t have an actual rebuttal. If a theoretical impossible handgun cartridge capable of having the same penetration and tissue disruption as .460 Weatherby Magnum without all of the weight, recoil, or size existed, people would carry it. “Overkill” is a silly Jewish word.>Becoming a better shooter requires trigger time and 9x19 affords more ammunition than 10x25 because it's less expensive across the boardStop being poor. Learn to reload. I have more trigger time than you and every cop in the world.>Do you remember how we used to spell "axe"? Two generations have already forgotten, I'm just ahead of the curveYour use of the letter “s” in words where there ought to be a “z” has me concerned that you are, in fact, a European, in which case your arguments are all immediately null and void and I chastise you for wasting my time.I also love your spam of body cam footage of perfectly optimal scenarios for lol9mm and the pathetic training of LEOs to be effective while ignoring ones where it hasn’t.
>>64745635>more reliably accomplishes all of these>“Overkill” is a silly Jewish wordMy argument is that you're overstating the difference in performance>Learn to reloadThis would have you spending more time at the bench than range>I have more trigger time than you and every copThat would be very impressive if you had a kill count to show for it. Grave fillers use 9x19, simple as>you are, in fact, a EuropeanNo, I'm the American that posted the image you have for the OP>ignoring ones where it hasn’t10mm doesn't compensate for poor marksmanship so it's irrelevant for the purposes of demonstration
>>64745717>My argument is that you're overstating the difference in performanceThe fact is that I’m not. I’ve killed deer within average body weight for human beings with both 9mm and 10mm handguns using JHP projectiles within comparable ranges, with comparable barrel lengths, lung shots for both. When cutting open and examining the tissue, there is a marked difference in the tissue disruption from 10mm. More tissue disruption is always going to be more lethal. That is an immutable fact. That lol9mm is “good enough” because we have limp-wrists who can’t handle 10mm does not invalidate that 10mm is more lethal. More lethality = guaranteed elimination of threat with shots on target.>This would have you spending more time at the bench than rangeLearn how to set dies and what a progressive reloader is.>That would be very impressive if you had a kill count to show for it. Grave fillers use 9x19, simple as.Only because that is statistically the most likely cartridge to have been used given its commonality. This same logic also applies to people believing 9mm is “perfectly adequate” for bear defense because they don’t understand statistical analysis and sample size.>No, I'm the American that posted the image you have for the OPYou need to understand the facts I’m giving you then and gain more education and experience before you post another one.>10mm doesn't compensate for poor marksmanship so it's irrelevant for the purposes of demonstrationPoor marksmanship makes all calibers useless. Good marksmanship + 9mm will still be less effective than good marksmanship + 10mm. I never once acted like you didn’t need good marksmanship. The fact of the matter is, if you cannot be fast, accurate, and repeatable with 10mm Auto, you should not be in law enforcement.Everything I’ve laid out in this response has already been said multiple times beforehand. We’re going in circles at this point because you’re either illiterate or refuse to be wrong.
>>64745799The rubber has to meet the road and you're telling me I have to invest for a new gun and reloading equipment before it actually does. I'm just sceptical of the 10mm endorsement from the man who doesn't have an optic nor WML on his EDC + durr gun, no offense
>>64746010Perfectly understandable, anon. And I respect that. If you wanna get really mad, I have to confess that my 10mm’s aren’t even my daily carries, lmao. It’s a USP .45 loaded with either HST +P or Supers. Thanks for the good time.
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>>64743972>goat herders with PKMs and a mortar squad wrote the recipe on modern warfareCrew served weapons outrange infantry rifles? Who'd have thought?What was the PK and mortar crew's answer to these, though?
>>64745283>I will never understand who decided the FBI are the gun, and ammunition expertYour local PD doesn't have the money to run their own ballistics research lab.
>>6474395845 powah is minimum, anons. Cwrry a 10 or a 460 rowland. 9mm is for faggots and women.
