Pic related inside the wreckage of the glorious ORESHNIK missile
Soviet gyroscopes and tubes were found in Putin's "newest" missile.The Oreshnik missile, which Russia used for the second time on Friday night to send a threatening signal to the West, was made using old Soviet components. Among the debris of the missile used to strike the Dnieper River in November 2024, Ukrainian experts discovered a tube and a gyroscope, said Andriy Kulchitsky, head of the military research laboratory at the Kyiv Scientific Research Institute of Forensic Expertise (KNIISE), in an interview with CNN.Details. "Here's a gyroscope from the Oreshnik. Yuri Gagarin flew with one of these," Kulchitsky said.▪When asked by a CNN journalist whether Putin was right in saying that the Oreshnik missile represents a new stage in armament, the scientist denied it.▪Quote: "His job is to say something, and we must listen carefully." "The people are listening. We found lamps, Soviet lamps," he said, showing one of the lamps.▪A lab employee, Sergei, showed a CNN journalist the microchips found in the missile, noting: "Old stuff. Everything old. And everything Russian."Context: In November 2024, Vladimir Putin stated that Russia used "one of the newest Russian medium-range missile systems," the Oreshnik non-nuclear hypersonic ballistic missile, during the strike on the Dnipro industrial complex. He noted that there were no countermeasures to such weapons in the world.▪However, almost immediately, Ukrainian experts discovered that the newest missile was made using components from older missiles. Specifically, they discovered a part originally produced for the Bulava missile, along with elements manufactured in 2016 and 2017.Independent observers and the Pentagon believe the Oreshnik is a modification of the RS-26 Rubezh missile system, a modification of the RS-24 Yars system (first launched in 2007). Work on the Rubezh was halted in 2018.
>>64745328>modern Russian wundewaffe>look inside>soviet componentsevery single time
>Russian wunderwaffe is a series of tubes
>>64745349kek, so true, it's like they've took Tunguska, placed it onto a Kamaz truck chassis (and fucked up the center of mass) and boom - here's your new Pantsir wundewaffe
>>64745328IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUMNo, seriously, that's a rare antique. Don't tell me they still make those?
>>64745328soul
>>64745328Did they just took an old soviet missile and changed the paint?
>>64745376>IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUMrussia itself does
>>64745336>Newest weapon is a modification of a modification
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>>64745328No to be the buzzkiller here, but it is a modern and extremely capable piece.That's not a valve but a quartz frequency generator (oscillator). OCMPК4... = Ocoбo Cтaбильный (Enhanced Stability) Maлoгaбapитный (Miniature, hence it is half the size of standard type vacuum glass envelope for RK generators) Peзoнaтop Квapцeвый (Quartz Oscillator) with main frequency of 4.... kHz or mHz.Made by AO "Morion" in St-Pidorsburg as evident by the tuning fork logo stamp. OK5 stamp signifies the military grade QC. This thing is on par with the most advanced western pieces specs-wise, from what my obscure sources tell, but it comes with in an antiquated package to provide temperature and vibration insulation. You can see the silvery-looking pill (oscillator body) encased in vibro dampening cradle, further protected by vacuum bulb.
>>64745431>main frequency of 4.... kHz or mHz.Millihertz? Wonderful.
>>64745336>Andriy KulchitskyI'm sure he's really smart and just has a stupid sounding name. Spoiler, they all do.
>>64745336>everything Russian.Wait, the Russian missle has RUSSIAN PARTS? I'm glad CNN is still a top news provider! Just cutting edge reporting!
>>64745431Oven controlled temperature crystal, that was my guess too, in the West people tends to use metal cans instead.
>>64745328Called it.
>>64745328>>64745336>a tube survived thousands of G during impactI'm calling bullshit, I don't doubt the ziggers are using tubes but claiming on survived impact doesn't pass the sniff test to me.
>>64745494Nigga, VT fuzes had glass valves.Glass itself is strong under compression, the problem with high G's are the inner structures that require a redesign to improve strength
>>64745500VT fuse has to still function after pulling thousands of G so you design it to take it, why the fuck would a missile tube that pulls 10g max be designed that way?
>>64745494you are naive and/or retarded
>>64745494That was found not in the payload but within the deployment bus stage wreckage, most reasonable guess.It decelerates enough to leave some pieces intact.Well, you know, the substantial bit of navigational and aux. electronic systems in cluster-payload Iskanders tend to survive despite it's a TBM that slams into the ground at terminal velocity.>>64745438MHz, my bad.
>>64745336considering it actually works, it's a given that it's derived from topol. bulava, yars and rubezh are also derivatives of it.solid fuel is best for missiles.
>>64745328>bodged vaccuum tube>in 2026
>>64745759Bruh, most of RU gear is rebadged soviet shit
>>64745759vacuum tubes are preferable for space rockets, especially military ones that are also nuclear capable. the us' are similar. you want simple and reliable with these things. most conventional tactical missiles are far more advanced in components.
How long until some enterprising Ukrainian builds a sick ass tube preamp out of IRBM parts?
>>64745494it's part of the warhead bus, whose reentry will be far less chaotic than that of the rvs and released projectiles. said bus needs its own circuitry to control guidance, orientation and release of the rvs. recovering the busses will be quite important to the cia and such, because it can give an idea of capabilities, not just for this thing, but multiple others that will share designs. anything that can exploited in other words.
>>64745838I have a hard time believing a glorified lightbulb is more robust than solid state transistors.
>>64745328>mach 20 missile >glass tube not shattered
>>64745838>vacuum tubes are preferable for space rockets, especially military ones that are also nuclear capable. the us' are similar.Name one modern us rocket or missile that uses vacuum tubes. Military or otherwise
>>64745500show me a picture of one after its exploded retardtubes are still used in lots of US equipment too, they are highly resistant to EMP
>>64745923>tubes are still used in lots of US equipment too, they are highly resistant to EMPname one piece of equipment, jackass
>>64745922This is the complete electronics for a Minuteman IIIyou can see the chassis in the top left is for vacuum tubes
It's literally just an intermediate range balistic missile intended to get nukes from A to B but you take out the nukes. The only reason you'd use it over something like an Iskander is if you REALLY need the warhead to go through the air defense, like to hit a target with a small window of opportunity that's defended. But if that's the case you also need it to be really accurate which it just isn't.It's just worse than an Iskander in almost every way other than interception which, like I mentioned, is a moot point. And it's not like the Ukranians are regularly shooting down Iskanders. And on top of this they need to tell the western nations about it before launching meaning even if it was accurized it's not a good option for fast strikes.The only "real" benefit is it gets brown people all giddy about the wonderweapon that looks really cool. Are third worlders even really sapient?
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>>64745923>tubes are still used in lots of US equipment too, they are highly resistant to EMPLike what, exactly? Name the equipment. Because everything I know uses radiation hardened semiconductor chips for EMP resistance, and has since the 80s, maybe late 70s. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>64745939>>64745957Do you honestly believe there have been no revisions to their design since the 70s? Really?
>>64745939>This is the complete electronics for a Minuteman IIINo it's not. What board is that from on a MMIII? The guidance sections have dozens of individual boards. That looks more like a board from the MMI. Post the source where you got this.https://minutemanmissile.com/missileguidancesystem.html
also the minuteman isn't considered a game changer super weapon in 2025/6
>>64745887Come to think of it, with the sanctions plus the fact that the russia probably still uses them, are russian tubes going to slowly become collector's items?
>>64746001they already aresoviet tubes are desirable among diy amp bros
>>64745328This shit could be running on purely mechanical computers and I wouldn't give a fuck as long as it works.New == good is a fucking meme. Works == good is true.
>>64745990>(Vacuum tubes are used in the radars of three B61 mods: 3, 4, and 7.Those aren't in active service.>You asked for proof of weapons in the active inventory, I gave you proof,You did no such thing. You lied and said the MMIII used vacuum tubes, and me >>64745989 and another anon busted your lie out, so, now you're trying to cope and use B61s that aren't in service. Please, tell me what Mod of B61 the US is fielding at this date?
>>64745989It's a D-17B from a MM1, specifically it's the one that was given to MIT for student projects in the early 70s
>>64745990>NAFO trannyman those stupid dogs really live in your head rent free>>64746001It's already a problem. There are basically 3 or 4 factories in the world that produce them in Slovakia, Russia, and China. Most new stuff will come with Chinese tubes.
>>64746005>ai overview
>>64745351
>>64746001they haven't really gone up in price, but they have always been more expensive than Czech/Slovakia (JJ) or Chinese tubes as they are regarded as the highest quality tubes you can buy (Svetlana/Genelex)
>>64746024You literally did the same thing you stupid faggot>>64745989
>>64745990>NAFO trannyand the mask comes off. go back to your containment board faggot, better yet go back to twitter
>>64746018>It's a D-17B from a MM1Yeah, as I figured.
>>64745467No, Soviet parts. As in old and no longer produced.
>>64746031I'm not that anon but he's a fag too. maybe you two should hook up?
>>64746031I just did that - along with provide an actual source for the MMIII guidance because I know you inbred turd world poos worship AI like a God, and wouldn't be able to refute your God. Cope, seethe, rope, rape rat.
the weirdest shit on /k/ these days is literally trannies calling people who aren't trannies, "trannies" as an insult.
>>64745431For me it's not the fact that they used a tube but rather that the board was clearly not designed to use that tube. It's just patch wired in instead of socketed. That board also appears to be old production but I'm not an expert on soviet systems.
>>64746049>LeT Me JuSt QuOtE WiKi FoR NuClEaR WeApOns StoCKPiLe NumbERs.Post an actual source, and a link, not just a screenshot. Why are you inbred poos so arrogance in your ignorance?
>>64745990>>64746049you need to work on your reading comprehension esl-kun>>64745922>Name one modern us rocket or missile that uses vacuum tubes. Military or otherwise>modern>MODERN
>>64745990>quotes verbatim from the second Google result Nigger, you're making yourself even more of an AIDS infested zigger shill than when you first used whataboutism hours ago
>>64745922Every modern nuclear weapon uses either krytrons or sprytrons in its detonator because transistors and relays can't supply the necessary current.
>>64746076Notice how the narrative has shifted to "Well the US uses tubes too" and away from the fact that IT'S FUCKING PATCH WIRED IN!!!!! Tube or not; what modern fucking IRBM has a tube just fucking patched into a board that's obviously not designed for it?! Don't let the shills shift the narrative.
>>64746139It's weird. The idea that this is wreckage from a mach 20 missile and the entire board is scorched but the wires and tube are fine. It's almost like this is supposed to be propaganda showing outdated Russian tech made by people that don't even know pretty much every country still uses vacuum tubes in military applications for various reasons.
>>64746152That's a great observation but the tube was likely wrapped in an insulator and not just free floating around in its spot. They wouldn't photograph an amorphous blob of insulation and call it a tube. If someone could find more photos in this series, or even a video of the examination, that would be awesome. Obviously this is just my speculation and not proof of anything.
>>64746152>still trying to cope and push BuT ThE US uSeS ThEm ToO!!!!Firstly, the guidance section would be located in the RV bus, which isn't coming in at mach 20 (neither are the Oreshnik RVs as it's a glorified SLBM with speeds up to mach 13-15). Secondly, the bus isn't aerodynamical shaped to retain speed like the RV, and has much higher drag, meaning it will be much slower when reentering the atmosphere. Thirdly, the guidance section is protected from the environment of reentry by being buried inside the bus. Finally, we have sections of the Oreshnik bus that survived reentry during Russia's first use of it.
>>64745990>Firstly, vacuum tubes are not used in the physics package of a single nuclear weapon designAFAIK the soviet Soyuz missiles (which were derived from nuclear ICBMs) were analogue up to mid-2000s.
>>64746011>New == good is a fucking meme. Works == good is true.And yet for some reason you don't use a Nokia 3100 and a horse and carriage
>>64746152>wreckage from a mach 20It's not. You can literally see in the video footage that it's nowhere near close to mach 20.
>>64746258Yeah, and it's also worth pointing out that these things have a CEP of like a kilometer so saying these work is a bit debatable.
>>64746271Was the missile successfully launched? Yes, it was. The issue of where it lands is on the other side.
>old ass vaccuum tube literally bodge wired onto the board>this is highly advanced nuclear weapons buddyLOLLMAO EVEN
>>64746258Yet for some reason Maxim guns still get used in this war despite their age.
>>64746330 Exactly! And they also use humans. Do you have any idea how old humans are?! They've been used even in the earliest wars! Check mate xoxols.
>>64746068>Anthony Burch jumpscare
>>64745376Russia has several manufacturers of new build vacuum tubes. If they do the job and they are mil-rated missile components there is nothing too wrong with using them. IF.But there is a reason they were importing western electronic components they can't make. So we come back to that if.
>>64746049>Zigger melty over something he has no idea about Lmao, classic
>>64746391There's also the patch wiring of the tube to the board. Tubes are meant to be slotted. This shows that the board was not designed for that specific tube. This is a bodge job on a fucking IRBM. That's just fucking embarrassing.
Vacuum tubes are sovlful, and work quite well for what they are, but I agree that they probably don't belong on a modern weaponBut desu I'm kinda skeptical of these claims to begin with - not that I don't think they use them, they almost certainly do, if only in the old Soviet stockpile, but even current Russia can't possibly be desperate enough for this
>>64746481such bodges are usually when you replace the part with identical or similar enough specs, but different form-factor, so they've probably replaced an older lamp with a newer, hence not being able to slot it it and having to use wires
>>64745376for a while russia was one of the sole sources of certain kinds of vacuum tubeswhen the 2022 invasion happened a certain part of the guitar amplifier market died because sanctions cut off the supply of cheap tubes
>>64745349>>modern Russia>>look inside>>soviet componentsIt do be like that.
>>64745349My cat looks kinda like that
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>>64745887>inb4 some Ukrainian NSBM band (they have the best riffs) buys all of them >inb4 they use the oreshnik-amps to record an ultra-nationalist album calling all russians cockerels/faggots, demanding total ruzzioud death>inb4 neo-commie cocksmokers on bandcamp/spotify/jewtube/etc all turn a blind eye to the band being full blown nazis because EVERYONE hates the pidors moreIt will be glorious.
>>64745923>tubes are still used in lots of US equipment tooMaybe in the 1960s, not since then.Semiconductors and logic gates are alien technology russians: Confirmed.
Help me out here, tech bros.Why are tube amps and vintage electronics so much better for guitars but seen as sub-par for everything else?They haven't made a single solid state amplifier that sounds nearly as good as the top-end PAs from the 1950s with proper tubes. It's the same for musical instruments as well -- typically older is just better.Even older pick-ups and electronics are sought after by guitarists.I'm one of the people that believes that it results in a better overall sound. Much better and noticable. So, why wouldn't this concept also apply to other devices, even missiles?
>>64745336That explains why it works: It actually uses an old Soviet design as a base rather than all the follow on attempts that try to replace the Soviet Ukrainian legacy of being the missile brain trust of the USSR.>Not to say Soviet things are that good but Russia owns up to sucking more than the Soviets now.
>>64745431>a quartz frequency generatorlike my casio watch
>>64746616Apparently certain characteristic sound that's hard to replicate otherwise
>>64746594I wouldn't argue that Russian stuff is anywhere in the same universe as US, Chinese, Turkish or some Western stuff these daysJust saying that vacuum tubes being used in missiles like this isn't some sort of dunk like its presented as.
>>64746616What you're enjoying is actually noise from analog processing.It's like a Skyrim enb filter. Not accurate to the original content, but it's more pleasing to human senses.Missiles don't have human senses. We're dumping trillions into the economy to fix that.
>>64746640Kinda, wrist clocks take advantage of a gimmick, the relatively stable body temperature to improve accuracy, but OCXO are orders of magnitude more stable.
>>64746616Honestly, it's mostly snake oil, especially in the audiophile world. Tube guitar amps 'feel' a little different to play usually. Tubes have about 10 million times the resistance to EMP as transistors (literally not making up a wild number as exaggeration, it's literally that huge) so it's going to be easier to have them in some applications than designing shielding
>>64746644None of this by the way takes into account that fully digital amplifiers exist nowadays that can, with sufficient programming, replicate literally any effect on the output signal that one wants. It's only lack of effort (effort that only has to be exerted once, as from there on the filter presets can be flawlessly copied) that makes tube amps to be worth anything.
>>64746660Sort of. Digital modelers can do an amazing job, but tube amps are a million times more durable than digital stuff in terms of longevity. They are relatively simple and easy to repair, lots of digital stuff winds up in landfills because it's too much of a pain in the ass to repair. There's also something weird with how loud tube amps are perceived vs digital. You can have them side by side and measure the same dB, but the tube amp will be perceived as fuller and more powerful for some reason.
>>64745336>Russans can do more with lessok
>>64746672This is purely conjecture, but it might have something to do with the 'curve' of how the sound is amplified, similar to differences between LEDs and other lamps, at least I've observed how LEDs seem to be brighter near the center but end more abruptly instead of slowly fading with distance.
>>64746757T. gets a 24-month loan to pay for a singular individually packaged slice of bread
>>64746778Better than your averaged unbombed city in pre-war pidoristan.:)
>>64745557>>64745888Thanks gents, that makes a lot more sense because the bus is coming down a few thousand mph slower.
>>64746616Because the alternative involves the scary gastropods
>>64746948What are those?
>>64746616Tubes are true analogue so the sine wave produced by the guitar stays a sine wave coming out of the valve while any digital transistor would chop the analogue wave into a heap of digital square waves that are close to the shape of a sine wave but not exactly the same. This makes them sound "warm" but at high enough sample rates it doesn't matter if the control fin on a missile is perfectly analogue or stepped digital as proven by digital guidance reliably getting sub-meter CEP.
>>64746965someone's shitty homemade audio cables it looks like. The puffy black stuff is just "snake skin" that's used to keep the wire looking neat
>>64746978Audiophiles really are a different breed
>>64746992Nah, this is just someone being a cheap ass bitch who will complain to you that their shit doesn't work. Actual audiophiles would have bought legitimate, dedicated high end cables
>>64745328monkemind shit happening here>send hypersaniks>IT"S AN MESSAGE!!!!>deliver intelW T FTF
>>64746965mental illness worms
>>64746948>>64746965penis worms> your welcome
>>64747011Anything can be a dildo if you're brave enough.
>>64746965audio garloids
>>64746948Mature garloids
>>64746616Guitar amps are intentionally built "wrong" to abuse the characteristics of tubes being driven way outside of their intended performance envelope. In a sane circuit operating within the datasheet specs, a solid state design will almost always handily beat the tube circuit in almost every way imaginable, but guitar amps are built like utter shit with nonsense circuit designs and terrifying frequency response curves and the worst fucking abominable speaker designs you've ever laid your eyes on.>>64746660The original is still that tube amp the digital gear is copying. That said, modern digital stuff is basically cheat codes for actual touring, you can just plop down your pedalboard on stage and run a XLR from your Quad Cortex into the desk and you now instantly have the exact same tone you used for the album recordings because you took the extra ten minutes to profile that exact rig with its exact settings.
>>64746559Cute kitty
>>64747093 Audio file are fucking weird. I go to the Houston Symphony and have a great time. But I will never understand this shit
>>64745328>missile parts droppedDid they at least hit the intended oblast?
>>64746624That's not even a joke. A lot of the mid-2000s projects to modernize shit had reliability issues since the old way were figured out and doing something "new" would bring up just how bad russian quality and R&D really were.
>>64747005Yep
>>64746965smoked dead garloids used as amp cablesabsolutely disgusting
>>64745328this is "9/11 hijackers passports survived " levels of bs
>>64745887I got an ef86 preamp built by one of those Ukrainian dudes and it kicks ass
>>64747257My brown friend, there's nothing strange about crap falling out of a destroyed plane
>>64746008But old US and Euro tubes are better by far.
