why didn't the vector catch on?
No one likes PCCs. Also the whole recoil system was dependent on full auto, which of course civilians couldn't have
>>64747223SMGs in general have fallen out of favor. It doesn't really perform significantly better than existing SMGs to warrant getting one for large contracts ie; police/military, for civilian >>64747233.
>>64747223the vector delayed blowback system is heavy as fuck, and is pretty much unnecessary in a semi-auto firearm. other PCCs are half the weight with pretty much nonexistant recoil
>>64747223FRT's may make it a thing but its too late
>>64747223The world just wasn't ready for a leap towards greatness.
Why don't they make it for 5.7?
>>64747223Vastly better, cheaper, more durable and reliable alternatives like short barrel AR-15s. They are in use with shithole militaries, thailand, philippines, bangladesh, limited use in ukraine and US law enforcement>It's tits with an FRTThe only reason I ever bought one, the autistic smiles it forces on peoples faces that shoot it are priceless. 3,000 rounds of .45 through it in a few months, no issues other than a few break-in stoppages and a dud federal round.
why didn't the Ultimax catch on?
>>64747223its got an FRT now. >>64747321our flgs is amazed that his warehouse stock of them have all sold since thanksgiving. >>64747359>3,000 rounds of .45 through it in a few monthsdog will hunt
>>64747223Because it has no more firepower than John Dillinger's full-auto 1911, despite being made a century in the future and weighing 3or 4 times as much.
>>64747508Damn thats cool. Was that all custom?
>>64747223>giant>expensive>looks stupid unless SBR'd>gimmick entirely reliant on full autoand as for the military >lol smgs post-2000
>Bulky, weird action that doesn't even really do what it's meant to>Said action makes gun heavy >Size of an SMG with a barrel that's pistol lengthBasically a meme, but it makes for a good novelty gat in an early-2010s game/movie that's set in the near future.
>>64747539SMGs are based and I am tired of pretending they're not. For urban run n gun house to house close quarters combat? Nothing better than an SMG.
>>64747514Yeah. It was made by Hyman Lebman, a Ukrainian Jew who worked as a gunsmith during Prohibition making extremely expensive tacticool machine guns for the mob. He's basically why we have the NFA today.
>>64747564Dang thats cool. Any other examples of cool shit he made?
>>64747561How about something that’ll actually penetrate walls and kill the guy on the other side? Doorkicking is suicide against non-Muslim opponents.
>>64747223SMGs all fell out in terms of general law enforcement to SBRs, so that eliminated the vast majority of demand. >inb4 but muh token example of an agency using a vectorAs a civilian, they are awkward to shoot because the entire platform is designed around full giggle, not semi. My brother has one and it's basically a novelty that's gotten used once in about a decade.
>>64747561If they are wearing even light ballistic vests (which increasingly almost everyone has besides random goat fuckers and even they might) then you might be fucked.
>>64747366Why didn't the LAMG catch on?
>>64747223Full auto is so heavily regulated here in the US that it simply had no customers. Without full auto, it's just a PCC that is heavier, bulkier, and with a shorter barrel than other PCC in the market.>>64747561>SMGs are based and I am tired of pretending they're not.Real SMGs are, but the semi-auto PCCs we have to settle for are not.>>64747587>My brother has oneFor his birthday, get him an FRT.
