The US Navy released new slides about the upcoming Battleship and Frigate
>"Rail gun" not even a specific caliber>Main gun listed as a "secondary" armamentLame.
its a battlecruiser if its not armored against its own guns
Hoping it gets the Zumwalt treatment and we get one actually built but it’s just to test out shit on. We need more LRASM’s, and I’ll take a couple more Seawolfs as well please.
>>6476131932MJ is a better measure of caliber for the railgun than projectile diameter
>>64761319The railgun is essentially a 5" gun. It shoots the same HVPs as the Mk 45.
humiliation ritual
the frigate is very bizarre. lacking ASW capabilities beyond a containerized system that would eat into its conventional weapons and no bow sensors. i guess the cost of fucking up the frigate program so bad
>>64761306That's just an oversized frigate.
>>64761306>128 VLS cellsShamefur disprayI thought the 128 figure was just people ignoring the large flat deck in the middle that could fit a second 128 battery. 256 cells would be a reasonable number for a massive ship like that, this is anemic
>>64761356If they wanted a super 5-inch then they could have just restored funds to the AGS on the Zumwalt and bought some rounds. That was already a direction they decided was not worth it, and a railgun of similar size will just costs even more. This "battleship" is not one. No big guns, no armor, no battle line function.
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I love that pic, it synthesizes perfectly the state of current day american procurement. You have on one hand a tacky white elephant, unrequired and astronomically expensive, merelya propaganda stunt like the yamato of imperial japan. On the other you have the realist option, the glorified coast guard cutter that's gonna replace the burke after several failed attempts at doing so, all failing spectacularly, highlighting the reality of the modern US navy and its inherent stagnancy and decadence.
>>6476130615-25 shipslol, lmao
>>64761401Obviously it's not a battleship, battleships were obsolete 70+ years ago. It's a heavy cruiser.
>>64761419USN doctrine requires one BBG for every CSG. that's already 11 BBGs needed.
Not one will actually get built but as a positive they may start preparing more yards for larger construction.
>>64761432I'm sure the class will be great and very powerful in 2126 when it's finished
>>64761433>they may start preparing more yards for larger constructionnon-credible
>>64761371If it was purely about fulfilling the Navy's needs, they would just be buying another 20 or 30 Independences. But the LCS program was cut short because it wasn't well armed or survivable enough to satisfy spectators with no knowledge of the Navy's actual needs. And then the well armed and survivable replacement was canceled because those features are not even remotely worth the cost for the US, which can afford to use real destroyers for missions that require well armed and highly survivable surface combatants. But then they couldn't go back to building the LCS because it's a "failed" program, even though it does everything they actually need, and it's half the cost and more survivable than the Legend class, and is fully compatible with all of the mission modules which the Navy already spent billions and decades developing.
>>64761438In theory, Bath Ironworks might be able to build them, depending on the final dimensions. Alternatively, they could reopen Avondale.
>>64761421Go seethe somewhere else wumao. Your pathetic AA even failed at Venezuela
>>64761438It’s pretty clear a lot of future plans are riding on Hanwha not fucking up their Philly investment, with the frigate work it’s been said they’ll get likely being a relatively low stakes test. If they pass that it’s off to the races
>>64761306At the very least get rid of the side by side 5" guns... shit looks so dumb
>>64761306The large USV seems to be patterned off Gulf of America service vessels. I guess USN is confident they can get those made for that reason. A lot of pallet space and not a lot of freeboard.
>>64761482This, replace them with 2 more RAM launchers or something else actually useful.
Project managers and consultants will be laughing all the way to the bank as they pretend to work on the "battleship" knowing damn well that the program gets cancelled by the next admin and none of them will be accountable for anything.
Meanwhile in Japan.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i_pOtYp5fac
>>64761326If we float a big ass testbed hull it better be a 300 VLS monster, to hang back and pan-fry the enemy with the kind of saturation that changes geology.
>>64761398Can you imagine being a Maduro or an Assad and perfectly capable of following a giant ship sialing towards you carrying so fucking many missiles it's Finger of Death for your capital city.Your AD does nothing.Your rowboat navy isn't responding.It's dark and there are no phones but your battery powered mobile comms.You can still see the dot on the map creeping towards you.Tick-tock.
>>64761525Trump got elected a year ago, three more to go, how are you going to justify such a long session of procrastination?
>>64761438Just build things fastersimple as
>>64761438HII-Newport has enough room now as there are a number of idle hulls just getting mech engineer surveys for final equipment installations.
>>64761525Cancelled hulls are still inventory, most are still finished off as part of foreign investment or aid, or refitted for another role to recover costs.Only less than 20% laid gets just cut back up.
What are we at, like 3 strikes for major surface combatants getting canned now? How many attempts will it take until one actually gets a production run.
>>64761306>Frigate without VLSWhat is this? The 70s?
>>64761543>>64761558I expect them to generate endless amounts of reports and not a single weld will be laid. Zumwalts took 6 years from approved funding to first keel laid. Trump can probably expedite things and if enough costs are sunk early on then maybe the project will survive, but knowing USN procurement it would be on thin fucking ice even if there wasn't particularly incendiary political bullshit in the background.
These ships will get built and the internet is full of retarded contrarians. Deal with it.
>>64761435it will be shitcanned the day Trump leaves office, out of spite if nothing else and made yet another USN laughing stock.
>>64761421>mutt>Han LAMO
>>64761306>Blyatelship
>>64761438What's going to get delayed and cancelled is this 'battleship'Because teh Navy will take a look at their carrier construction, say 'yaeh we'll keep that', and delay everything else. Then they'll take a look at VLS cell numbers, and say 'yeah just make some more Burkes to up the cell count', while quietly cancelling the coast guard cutter/frigate because, well, it has no fucking VLS cells.
>>64761306>max producibility>battleship
>>64761442The corruption in naval procurement sure is the stuff of Legend, alright.
>>64761442>even though it does everything they actually need, and it's half the cost and more survivable than the Legend class, and is fully compatible with all of the mission modules which the Navy already spent billions and decades developingEverything you've written here is false.
It will never be built, it's just a way for Trump to grift and get some kickbacks.
>>64761306Jesus, even the Greeks got a better deal with their FDI...
>>64761543The F-47 announcement still hasn't produced any verifiable results
I heard that west taiwan's "super" carrier is already back in dock for repairs.
>>64761306>35kt displacementlmao they are literally just trollingfunniest thing is congress actually will spend several hundred million dollars on "designing" this shit before scrapping itjust fucking kekmeanwhile if DDG(X) is even significantly delayed the US won't have a navy in 10 years
>>64762141>lmao they are literally just trolling>funniest thing is congress actually will spend several hundred million dollars on "designing" this shit before scrapping it>just fucking kekIt's the same as those quantum radar superstealth Russian jets. The objective is for the oligarch class to extract money from the state, the more absurd, wasteful and complex the program is the better since it means there are more opportunities to steal.
>>64761860The Independence costs $400m each while the Legend costs $700m, the Independence has critical systems shock hardened while the Legend does not, the Independence has three mission bays designed for swappable modules while the Legend does not, the Navy did spend billions developing the LCS mission modules, the last of which to be completed was the ASW package which actually reached operating capacity after it was canceled in 2022. Initial development of the modules began prior to 2004, thus two decades were spent in development.If you disagree with a specific claim I've made here, go ahead and let me know exactly which one it is and why you think I'm wrong.
