Wish people talked about late-war allied ''wunderwaffe" more often, and not only about muh ''gaymun weapons''.>ASM-N-2 Bat>VT fuze>M3 Carbine>Sikorsky R-4>T26E4>Ryan FR Fireball>Centurion I>Comet I (A34)>F8F Bearcat>P80 Shooting star>Gloster meteorGet it through your fucking head Weheraboo niggers. Germans never stood a fucking chance.
>>64763404Ganglosphere stay winning!
>>64763409This pic is better I think
>>64763404Imagine what 50 Bearcats could've done over Battleship Row.
>>64763404You forgot about the Rice Cooker 9001.
>>64763416>US doesn't have a hearing aid7/10 needs work
>ASM-N-2 Bat>VT fuzeKinda, but the absolute lack of german jamming was the only reason to make them useful, before the development of modern VT fuzes they were trivial to jam and destroy, that's why the US only used it near the frontlines as airburst fuzes and in the Pacific. The spam of jammers for bombers was far more important than the VT fuze during the war.>M3 Carbinelmao>Sikorsky R-4Japan and Germany had plenty autogyros and helicopers, but before the early 1960s those vehicles weren't really gamechangers, not even in anti-submarine warfare. >T26E4Not impressive even, in the same way as german or soviets TD/HT weren't wunderwaffes.>Ryan FR FireballCrap.>Centurion I>Comet I (A34)Average designs of 1945 (that means good vehicles), not wunder.>F8F BearcatIt wasn't better than any late war fighter with high octane avgas. Better as fighter than the mediocre F4U, but nothing impressive.>P80 Shooting star>Gloster meteorKinda, none of those jets were useful as invasion/escort jets, same goes for the Me 262.The true allied "wunderwaffe" were trucks (quantity is a quality too), avgas in quantity (not getting bombed HELPS a lot), unlimited supply of stellite, H2S and H2X radars, B-29 (but not the engine that wasn't reliable until well after WW2), manufacturing tech.
>>64763430>ASM-N-2 BatAll allied "autonomous bombs" were even more precarious and unreliable than the V-2, the Pacific was decided with dumb bombs and torpedoes.
>>64763430>they were trivial to jam and destroyThe fuck are you on about? VT fuses literally are responsible for american artillery obliterating entire German battalions during the bulge.
>>64763435By that time Germany had collapsed and couldn't field or react to any new tech. That's why the US didn't field the B-29 in the European Theater, it was redundant.>The fuck are you on about? The US Army found out that they could destroy any VT shell with the normal VHF jammers deployed in all the US bombers, they weren't a wunderwaffe, just a gimmick that took advantage of the lack of resources of the enemy. Meanwhile Germany had to update multiple times their guided bombs because bongs could field a new jammer in 2 months. TL;DR the VT fuze wasn't technologically remarkable, not even in the 1930s, the interesting thing was the actual manufacturing and adaptation of vacuum tube to high g-forces, but electronically they weren't more complex than a theremin.
>no mention of America's TV-guided attack drone>saw action in 1944>brass decides carpet bombing makes more sense
>>64763432>the V-2wan't a bomb, it was a ballistic missile.(for relative comparison) you meant the Fieseler V-1, Hs 293 or Fritz X
>>64763450>wan't a bomb,And my post didn't claim that, I said that to include the Azon. Unlike the V-1, the V-2 had a "complex" INS guidance (with radio correction for a few of them) but they were useless during the war. The Bat and Azon were a meme even if the US made them in numbers, for WW2 and the Korean War.
>>64763404That thing would look so sexy if it didn’t have the tanks on the wingtips
>>64763444>the VT fuze wasn't technologically remarkable, not even in the 1930sKek, yes it was. But please do cope some more about your horse logistics.
>>64763474A Theremin-like fuze isn't technologically impressive, not even in 1930.The Fritz X or any allied radio was far more advanced than the VT fuze.
>>64763482Uhuh.
>>64763493>he willingly stopped the act of thinking.
>>64763404There's also LORAN/GEE and the Mark 24 FIDO.
>>64763499>A Theremin-like fuze isn't technologically impressiveFor a country that bases it's logistics around horses? Yes it is.
>>64763404No mention of this retarded piece of shit yet?>be Air Force>want novel fighter>go to Northop, ask for said fighter>Jack Northrop comes up with picrel after a hard day's night fucking strippers and snorting cocaine>flying wing>prone pilot>rocket powered (though changed to jets, since it would have used a similar fuel to the Me-163)>no underwing stores and 4 low capacity 50 cals as the only armament>the point of the design, according to Northrop, was to have an aircraft capable of doing a kamikaze attack on enemy bombers and flying away undamaged>Chair Force thinks this is genius>ffw first flight>take-off>it went up diddly up up>it went down diddly down down>flight time: 15 seconds>ending up in a smoking crater on the Muroc Dry LakeThis results in the immediate (and rightful) cancellation of an aircraft, that, while visionary, was absolutely fucking stupid, not to mention was the reason for delays for the XB-35 program, which, while also flawed, at least had something of a chance for being decent.
>>64763416>Canada as a lumberjack/voyageurYou do realize that's a French-Canadian symbol, right?
>>64763546>15 seconds15 minutes, it wasn't that bad, but the aircraft lost control after going over 90 degrees of bank, something that every other fighter aircraft was capable of doing.
>>64763546Northrop, the honorary German.
>>64763404>ASM-N-2 Bat>P80 Shooting star>Gloster meteor>Ryan FR FireballAll jets before the Sabre were meh tier and all guided bombs before 'nam were shit tier.>T26E4>Comet I (A34)>F8F BearcatThese were state of the art in 1945. Good tier.>VT fuze>M3 Carbine>Sikorsky R-4>Centurion IThese were real steps forward in military tech. The World of Tomorrow-tier.
>>64763546
>>64763404You're forgetting the most important wonderweapon.
>>64763591>I have and impressive weapon that I can only use twice a yearNukes were less useful than you think, in 1945 they were like a retarded bimbo before speaking.
>>64763546>>64763575>Be American aircraft designer>Make a new plane>It crashes>Your project is cancelled>The end>Be German aircraft designer>Make a gorillion prototypes>All of them crash>Bribe the correct people with money, drugs, stolen pieces of art, gems etc.>None of your projects are cancelled>Keep sending aryan test pilots to their deaths until the war endsAnd that, kids, is how they lost the war.
>>64763608And yet the US approved the Vought F7U, B-47 and bribed half of the world to mass produce the F-104
>>64763601>need to be used only twice to end a total warIncredible self-own bro.
>>64763532>they weren't socialists because they borrowed jewish moneyi get dunking on retarded nazi larpers but reposting communist cope about them is not the way to do itthat's like trying to put out a house fire by using gasoline in terms of subhuman retardation.
>>64763409>Ganglosphere
>>64763449Based knower
>>64763449That never killed any members of the Kennedy family, so it's was obviously nowhere near as good as Operation Aphrodite.
>>64763430The true Allied wunderwaffe were the early analog computers in Bletchley Park that were used to break Axis codes. With superior intel, the Allies could react and plan ahead much better than the Axis. It was also used to see if Allied disinfo and sabotage had worked.
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>>64763404This isn't exactly what you're talking about, but I can't pass up a chance to shill for my favorite plane of all time, the F2H Banshee. It's definitely late WW2 tech fielded in the post war era.
>>64763404>Wish people talked about late-war allied ''wunderwaffe" more oftenThey do. All the time.
>>64763709>implying that japan had collapsed for 2 meme bombsNukes were good weapons for genocides, not so much to destroy an industry that moved to thousand of tunnels.
>>64763805True, computers and FCS were far more "wunderwaffe" than anything OP posted.>adaptability against new threats too
>>64763915war crime
>>64763828but a star works with fusion.I get it, it's just a meme. And yet it triggers my inner autist.
Research into the practical application of the BAT's autonomous guidance system and the TV guidance system of the large kamikaze drones was suspended, so it appears that it was simply confirmed that the necessary technology was still lacking at the end of the war.
>>64763532>Nazis are corporate fascists>Socialists aren'tyeah
>>64763555It's hard to do a visual shorthand for a national identity that is 90% seething about America and 10% sketch comedy characters/beer mascots from the early 80s.
>>64763991How?
>>64763404I only wish that somehow Japan had an entire secret fleet and 10 extra islands each staffed full of personnel and planes we had to get through at the end of 1945 just so I can see the A1 Skyraider utterly fuck them up in every possible way. God I fucking love the Skyraider.
>>64764722I'm retarded and forgot pic
>>64763444VT fuze absolutely was groundbreaking technologically. How much of a dolt are you?
>>64764013Both of them are nuclear reactions that convert mass to energy. Your autism is extremely misplaced here.
>>64763968Japan literally surrendered because of the nukes you dumb fuck, unless you are a vatnigger and try claiming that it was because muh Soviets invaded Manchuria.
>>64763555>lumberjacks are a french symbol honhonhon
>>64763709Admittedly, it was the Japanese leadership (particularly Hirohito) bluffing themselves into believing that there were hundreds of Bombs ready to go that ended the war.
>>64764726>top speed:322 mphSlow as fuck, can't hold a candle against Corsair
>>64763404>>ASM-N-2 Bat1,500 used; only accomplishment was damaging a coastal defense ship>>M3 Carbinedid it even see service in Europe? also there are reports about US soldiers complaining about the bullets being too weak during the Battle of the Bulge>>Centurion Iwas pretty meh until the revised post war seriespeople always joke about german tanks being slow but then you got british ones rolling at 18 miles per hour on-road>>Comet I>>wonderweaponwould it have appeared in 1942 maybe, has got like 100 mm of armour (also riveted in some parts)>>P80 Shooting star and Gloster meteordidn't really become better than the german jets unitl the post war versions
>>64765189>assload of hardpoints with the same maximum payload as a heavy bomberYour turn.
>>64763435>>VT fuses literally are responsible for american artillery obliterating entire German battalions>think this statement is a bit odd, entire battalions?>enter it into google>first result "ww2 tales" on youtube>pic rel/k/ in 2k26
>>64763404>M3 CarbineI like how people act like that was cutting edge when Bongs had deployed pic related years earlier.
>>64765605> US soldiers complaining about the bullets being too weak during the Battle of the BulgeSkill issue. They were missing.
>>64763576>M3 Carbine>step forward in militar techit was literally just the allies realizing that having full auto and more than 15 rounds was kinda nice after capturing german STGs m3 doesn't even have a pistol grip
>>64765633>ultra slop channelsHoly crap.
>>64763462Nothing (You) have ever posted on the internet is correct or relevant.
>>64765605>Centurion Iwas on the level of Panther if not superior>P80was faster than me262
>>64765658Now say it without crying.
>>64765694>hurrr'accepturconcession'durrrrrBack to plebbit, brainlet. 18 years old is the minimum age to post here
>>64764726I just want a modernized Skyraider for CAS instead of the stupid cropduster. >>64765189it's not a fighter, doesn't matter.
>>64765692Panther was 2.5+ years older than the Centurion Mk 1, had a higher top speed, a lower weight and a better "all rounder" gunCenturion Mk 3 would have been a wonder weapon, Mk 3 was just a normal tank>P80 was faster than me262>In test flights, the XP-80 eventually reached a top speed of 502 mph (808 km/h; 436 kn) at 20,480 ft (6,240 m), making it the first turbojet-powered USAAF aircraft to exceed 500 mph (800 km/h) in level flight, following the August 1944 record flight of 504 mph (811 km/h; 438 kn) by a special high-speed variant>The USAAF compared the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and Me 262, concluding that the Me 262 was superior in acceleration and speed, with similar climb performance. The Me 262 appeared to have a higher critical Mach number than any American fighter
>>64765776>Mk 3 was just a normal tank*Mk 1
>>64763430Don't forget radios
>>64765776>a better "all rounder" gunOh fuck off, it wasn't a better fucking gun. 17pdr could literally pierce the frontal armor of King Tiger.
>>64765805>only thing that matters in a gun is AT performance (at an 0° angle)please go back to playing warthunder
>>64765805KWK42 and 17pdr have comparable penetration with the KWK42 having a slight edgeonly when the 17pdr does use APDS it has got more penetration but the APDS ammo had poor post penetration effect and was unusable on mid and long ranges
>>64765812Not him, this kind of comparisons are retarded.Both were comparable guns, in muzzle energy, caliber and design. APDS are still better against angled armor and that's why they prevailed during the early cold war, even if they can't overmatch angled plates like full-bore projectiles.Germans didn't favor sub-caliber projectiles as AT projectiles because they couldn't get enough W or U (during WW1 German developed U as an alternative to W in alloys) for that (and their fielded designs weren't as refined as the British APDS). >Only soviets had problems with their AT projectiles before late 1944 and it was noticeable when Germans improved the performance of soviet guns by +20% by simply using their shells adapted to soviet guns. Besides that all countries had comparable guns and shells if you ignore priorities (and retardation) or concrete problems
>>64765846>Both were comparable guns, in muzzle energy, caliber and desigagain: raw AT performance is not the only thing that mattersthe 17 pdrs HE rounds were 10-26% (depending on version) less powerfull than the KWK 42s HE rounds and the 17 pdrs AP rounds had no HE filler
>>64763404Tangentially related to the thread but i recently read The Big One by Stuart Slade and it's a neat little alt history book>lord Halifax coups the British government in 1940 and the islands are eventually occupied by Germany >Barbarossa happens and Germans take Moscow, Stalin is killed/couped by Zhukov>Americans shit themselves and start a massive rearmament program. the Nazis declare war on them >patton is sent to reinforce Zhukov in the Urals >B-29 is sidelined in favour of the B-36, and the use also develops jets much earlier>the supercharged US Navy destroys the kriegsmarine and begins to siege Europe by sea>Curtis LeMay is put in charge of the SACGuess what happens to Germany
>>64763449TRD my beloved piano plane
>>64766081>Barbarossa happens and Germans take Moscow>Americans shit themselves and start a massive rearmament programpure fuddlore (I mean obviously. Halifax couping the British government????)a successful Barbarossa would have seen the capture of Moscow in November maybe Ocobre of 1941 - irl the US had already started a rearmament program long before thatalso with the US Navy being busy destroying the kriegsmarine who's there to protect the pacific?
>>64766149It's not as much of a coup as Halifax convinced the parliament to sign an armistice with Germany after Dunkirk.Apparently Moscow falls in '42-ish and the Germans get bogged down a few hundred km west of the Urals.>Pacific After the us started militarizing in mid 1940 they reinforced their pacific holdings and the Japanese realised that they couldn't do a surprise attack anymore so they focus on taking china. There is a pseudo cold war brewing between them, the US and the former commonwealth India and Australia apparently.
>>64763482Sure, any fucking physics undergraduate could put some RF device together that could be used to trigger something based on proximity but my fucking dude in delusion, you're ignoring the part where they miniaturised it, made it hard to the extreme shock of being shot out of a god damn gun and then turned around and made them in the fucking millions.You're falling right into the fallacy trap of "because they became common afterwards they weren't technologically marvellous during WW2", just like the helicopter and a thousand other things that the Western Allies just got on with and pulled out of their arses because they had the economies, the knowledge and the manufacturing capacity to do things the Germans couldn't. i.e. they were just fucking better, stay mad about it.
>>64766180Vacuum tubes aren't cat-whisket diodes, they're way stronger than you're trying to picture them, closer to mechanical devices (any contemporary shell fuze) than something sensitive once you take strength into account during the design (they're literally made with small metal pieces and glass (very strong under compression) ). And making the smaller reduces the stress by acceleration.The merit of the VT was the mass production and iteration with the problematic shelf life, Germans simply ignored them because they didn't have the electronic industry of the US to mass produce tubes. But for torpedos and some of their AA rockets they used proximity fuzes (less reliable but not jammeable)
>>64763608according to Adolf Galland, Germany should have halted Bf 109 production, continued Fw 190 production, and allocated the excess to Me 262s.from a fighter pilot POV this made a certain degree of sensebut from a production POV, Adam Tooze has pointed out that this (or any suggestion involving halting Bf 109 production) is pretty stupid, because 1943 was the year that Bf 109 factories were finally hitting their stride and new assembly lines were coming online, despite RAF bombingpicrel illustrates thisthe chart above is actual German WW2 production of the main 3 day fighter typesnote the huge impact on actual Bf 109 and Fw 190 production from RAF bombing. never say that strategic bombing was a failure; it wasn't.now, let's assume that the Me 262 gets more R&D resources, and so could be put into production as soon as the airframe was complete. this assumes that thanks to the additional resources, the retarded single-use-engine problem was unfucked a year before it really was. also, we give a very optimistic 3x annual boost to Me 262 production, representing continued expansion despite Allied bombing.halting Bf 109 production expansion just when it reached optimum efficiency has the net result of slashing Luftwaffe fighter inventory by a full THIRD in 1943, and nearly half in 1944.having 2,200 jet fighters in 1944 would be really nicebut are they worth trading 9,000 Bf 109s for?bear in mind also that at least the Bf 109 is much easier to train new pilots to operate. the Me 262 was notoriously difficult to take off and land in. Galland really only fought with a squadron of aces (with a General as squadron commander and Colonels as flight commanders!) with 1 or 2 thousand kills between them.
>>64766201dude, a quick read of the wiki page would let you know just how back asswards your thinking is. Of course the Germans wanted a proxy fuse. Like the allies they tried a shitload of different types from acoustic to electrostatic (I ignored your theramin comment, it's not how the VT worked)It took the Brits a whole bunch of tried and a whole bunch of different versions to come up with the doppler based version that actually worked, and they had to design a whole new type of vacuum tube that would take the stresses, which they then up and gave to the US for mass production.It then went on to fucking annhialate entire German battalions and almost completely neuter air power in the pacific. If the Germans could have developed one, they would have. If the Germans could have jammed them, they would have. The ubermench were just worse at technology, worse at war. Face it.
>>64764860no, it fucking isn't>>64764013>but a star works with fusion.>I get it, it's just a meme. And yet it triggers my inner autist.Truman said "The force from which the sun draws its power"I remember reading a science book that rather coyly simply said, in reference to this statement, that "the president's science was somewhat off the mark" but didn't elaborate. for years I wondered what the book meant by that. now I know the difference between fission and fusion power.>>64763717>i get dunking on retarded nazi larpers but reposting communist cope about them is not the way to do it>that's like trying to put out a house fire by using gasoline in terms of subhuman retardation.absolutely this
>>64763430>The spam of jammers for bombers was far more important than the VT fuze during the war.I'm always amazed at how I manage to read the dumbest possible opinion on 4chan. Every day is a new wonder.
>>64766266Compared to those jammers the VT fuze was irrelevant. Even in if you include the Pacific.
>>64763608That's all Germanic engineering. Go look at a German V-8 engine compared to an LS or a Modular. They're incapable of scrapping a project, they have to engineer a million solutions to a million problems and see it through to the end.
>>64766248>(I ignored your theramin comment, it's not how the VT worked)Lmao even. The only detail is how you change f, the rest is identical, even the frequency range of the output.
>>64766266I wouldn't say the VT fuze was "irrelevant", but >>64763430 has a point: if the Germans had no counter at all to night-time strategic bombing, as was the case when the bongs invented thousand-bomber streams and chaff, the war ends in 12 months from obliterated factories, D-day or no D-daythat said,>>64766280>Even in if you include the Pacificthe Japs were too spread out and amphib invasions were necessary to roll up their Empire; without VT fuzes Allied carriers would have been too vulnerable to mass kamikaze attacks on every invasion operation
>>64763669jejbtfo that other dude
>>64766248>It then went on to fucking annhialate entire German battalions>>64765633
>>64763532Go back to pol.
