I want a Makarov or Makarov adjacent pistol for EDC. I like the metal frame and the DA/SA design on a smaller sized gun. Because of the double action I would feel fine carrying it in my pocket without a holster if need be, provided it's small enough. My questions are whether 9x18 is enough for defense, which pistol I should get (PM, P-64, CZ-82, PA-63), reliability, viability of +P ammo?
It's caffeinated .32 auto. >makarov in current year You'd save a few hundred buying any new production subcompact.
Makarovs are shittier PPKs, and PPKs aren't very nice guns either. Very heavy, very heavy trigger. But it would probably do what you want it to, though maybe try before you buy as the makarov simplified the design by adding a heel release that nobody likes.
>>64764663I have a double stack "mak" CZ82 and it fits my hand like a glove. Figure buffalo bore is close enough to the old hot soviet rounds, but with jhp or hard cast lead for deformation. Of course you're not, "supposed," to shoot lead through a polygonally rifled barrel, but whatever.
>>64764663I have oneyes it is just a cheap PPKThey're ungodly heavy for the size and have a terrible trigger. Nice decock though. Too wide for being single stack. The .380 one is better than 9x18 and more common. The Makarov also has particularly snappy recoil which iirc is because of the way the barrel is set up. It's not small enough (and too heavy) to carry easily without a holster it was literally designed as a service pistol for a holster.9x18 is not enough just get a .380 one if you need your autism sated by a ccw.
>>64764663>I like the metal frame and the DA/SA design on a smaller sized gun.I wouldn't call a Makarov small. They are kind of bulky (they had to be to safely fire 9x18 out of a straight blowback pistol).>Because of the double action I would feel fine carrying it in my pocket without a holster if need beDon't do that. Always try to get something that covers and protects the trigger.>whether 9x18 is enough for defensePerformance-wise it is, but it's getting pretty expensive. >>64764817>9x18 is not enough just get a .380Anon, 9x18 has more energy than a .380 ACP. While .380 is adequate for self-defense, it'd be a lie to say 9x18 is not enough but .380 is.
>>64764663do it, all the autistis in replies look like autists carrying their plastic soulless decepticon looking toys.>>64764668??? It's 500$ at most
>>64764857oh i forgot .380 is 9x17 lmao
>>64764663>>64764663Get it OP. It isn't the best gun or anything, and definitely somewhat behind the times even when it was new, but it is perfectly adequate for defense. I would still get a holster though. It is a fun historical gun.
>>64764663>>64764891P83 is an imroved version but good luck finding it
>>64764663Don't buy a Makarov for pocket carry, they are bulkier and heavier than they look, they make relatively poor handguns for concealed carry.If you're set on a pocket pistol buy something like an LCP Max, which will be lighter, smaller, higher capacity, and offer more ammo choices.
>>64764668You mean .380.>>64764755The heel release is very handy for concealed carry, it's almost impossible to accidentally drop the mag. I carry at the 5 o'clock position with an IWB holster. I had a big problem for a while with accidentally hitting the mag release on my Kel Tec and Glock when getting in and out of a car. The seat would press the gun/holster against my body and hit the mag release. I eventually got a hard holster that covers the side button-release, and it was problem solved. But there's no trouble with this on a Makarov thanks to the heel-release.>>64764817>Too wide for being single stackIt's fairly slim actually. A 1911 is a quarter inch wider for the same capacity. From a modern perspective, it is disappointing they couldn't have made it a double stack while maintaining the same width, considering the PSA dagger and 43x w/ meme mags can fit 15 rounds at the same width. But that that kind of firepower at only <1.15'' wide was unheard of until pretty recently.>The Makarov also has particularly snappy recoilThe recoil springs on many surplus Maks are worn out. You can get new extra-power springs that tone down the recoil dramatically.
>>64764663I got a CZ83 as my first gun. I love her but she's a chungus, is unreliable, has sucky sights and recoils harder than any other pistol I own like a P365, Hellcat or 1911 bar maybe my LCP which is a fraction of the size and weight. Also if you live in a hot or humid area, the slide is so small you might not be able to rack it when your hands get any bit of moisture on them because blowback slides are much smaller than most recoil operated guns and the slide serration design is antiquated. Maybe just get a compact 1911 or track down a CZ 2075 or something if you have metal pistol autism
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>>64765019go ask your father's boyfriend, faggot, and shut the fuck up you retarded piece of shit
>>64764663Too many people shitting on it ITT when it's literally the most reliable handgun design of all time. It will never break and is highly unlikely to ever malfunction. I've put thousands through mine and never even had a malf. If you have a good belt the weight doesn't matter.As far as power goes it's between a .380 and 9mm. I pocket carry a .380 and feel adequate with it. Carry copper bullets like Underwood xtreme defense and you won't have to worry about penetration concerns. The bullet itself is the same size as 9mm, but it has less powder and is shot at lower pressure, so penetration can be a concern. With copper rounds they just fuck through the target and get adequate penetration.It's a viable carry gun, I'd just keep a spare mag since it's single stack. What's most important is that you like it, you can actually shoot it (most can, it's dead accurate due to the fixed barrel), and you actually carry it.
>>64765020>le x/yoomer plastic scam gunLmao piece of shit, does it come with an anti-limpwrist jam subscription?
>>64764663Cz-82 is the one I got but honestly you might want to go with a mak in .380 just for ammo availability. You can technically fire .380 out of a 9x18 mak but I would not suggest it. Very likely not making good contact and tumbling but I’ve heard mixed reviews on that. There’s also some 9mm mak ammo that’s specifically made to go in cz82s and has hotter loads.
>>64764668Counterpoint: what if you have those?
>>64765181doesnt need one bitch
there are like a billion lighter smaller cheaper and more common .380 single stack blowback DA(i luv some SA but let's be real here this is a pocket rocket not a range queen) pistols out there. Just get like anything else and keep the mak for fun times at the range and maybe as a secondary option to carry for when you want to feel pretty.
>>64765262Looks.limp to me faggot.
>>64765275>like a billionDoubt. Show math.
>>64765284the quick maths I ran said there may even be up to a gorillion .380 ghetto blasters out there that edge out the mak. But of course, the dick wants what the dick wants, so if you gotta carry a makarov then just fucking do it and stop asking for other people to justify your god given right to carry whatever the fuck you damn well please.
>>64765283that's just because of how gay you are you fucking idiot
>>64764663Makarov, just like most Soviet guns, is garbage. The only thing I like about them is maybe the aesthetics and decocker.Very snappy and weirdly unpleasant recoil, bad trigger, hammer bites, weird mag release, low ammo capacity. Too heavy for its size. Overall a bad gun.If you desperately want something in 9x18 then CZ-82 is superior in pretty much every way.Or just ditch this old archaic cartridge completely and just get a regular Glock 19.
>>64765317See? Now you just sound like a queer. Are you alsonin drag?
>>64765295>there may even be up to a gorillion .380 ghetto blasters out thereThis is a call for "responsible" gun control.
>>64765373you mean am i dressed up your fuckin faggot father?
>>64764663OP, do not listen to these ziggers. >>64764996>It's fairly slim actually. A 1911 is a quarter inch wider for the same capacity. 45 ACP is way bigger than 9x18. If you consider the size of 9x18, Makarov is unnecessarily big, especially if you consider that its a single stack.>The heel release is very handy for concealed carryThe heel release is retarded in every way possible and will get you killed if you ever get in a situation when you need to reload. No one makes them like this today for a reason. I never managed to accidentally release a mag on any modern pistol I own no matter how I carry.>>64765176>you can actually shoot it (most can, it's dead accurate due to the fixed barrelIt is an inaccurate piece of shit with shitty trigger and shitty sights.OP, do not get a Makarov for EDC just for aesthetics or because its " MUH RELIABLE SOVIET ENGINEERING", get something modern that makes sense today, not an outdated crude soviet piece of shit.
>>647646639x18 is fine as a defensive caliber, though it is closer to 380 than 9x19. I love my east german makarov. Those are kinda expensive now. Bulgarian ones are still being imported but are a bit rougher. CZ82/83s are not makarovs but do kinda scratch the same itch. I have one in 32 and it shoots very smooth. I would recommend staying away from most of the Polish and Hungarian equivalents because the triggers on those are sometimes comically heavy. Like 28 pounds on a double action.All combloc pistols tend to be very reliable in my experience.Defensive +p ammo is available but more expensive than 9mm defensive loads.Range ammo is also more expensive right now I think, but I had a much easier time getting 9x18 then 9×19 during the panic shortages. So it might be handy to have a 9x18 gun around.
>>64764663I had a C&R awhile back and bought up all the $200 surp pistols as shipping them to my house was a novelty. Bulgarian mak is definitely the prettiest with it's nice blued finish but the fugliest, chipped rattlecanned CZ-82, is definitely the best to shoot. Grip is super comfy and it is very featureful with improved takedown, high cap mag, and fully ambi controls. It has a modern push button mag release but it's weird, grip is shaped that you can't reach it with your thumb. Since it is ambi though you can use your index finger on the other side. Just a weird quirk.
>>64764663I have several maks (baikal, chink, east german, bulgarian) in 9mak and .380. Fun range guns, but not ideal carry, IMO. If you're used to western style safeties/decockers, it will take a while to get used to the PM safety.I would also avoid the FEG PA-63, it's lighter and smaller for carry, but felt recoil is much more than the PM, to the point it being unpleasant. P64 has an even worse trigger. If you insist on com block, I agree with other anons and say go for a CZ82 or CZ83.
>>64766381I should add, the trigger on the CZ-82 is really nice too including the DA pull even by modern standards.
>>64764663Try to find an Imez Makarov in .380. The magazines are identical but ammo is easier to find and there's a wider variety of self defense ammo. They're super reliable like normal Maks and in my experience they're super accurate for a small pistol. I carried this one pretty regularly before I traded it for a Tokarev. It was a sweet little pistol - I would avoid the double stack versions though because those magazines are extremely difficult to find
What would be a good alternative? I want a DA gun that feels sturdy. 9x19 would be better than 9x18 I guess. .380 is completely unacceptable because I live in the hood. Am I overlooking some other cheap or mid-price gem?
>>64764873The fact that the Russian one has a slightly larger case is irrelevant (because in this case the difference is negligible). What matters is how much powder they put in the case and how much pressure it generates. The .380 is shooting with 21,500 PSI and the 9x18 Mak is shooting with 23,500 PSI. You can also see irrelevance when comparing American .50 BMG with Russian 12.7x108mm ammo; despite the Russian ammo having a slightly larger case, the American .50 is shooting at a higher pressure and is more powerful.
>>64765423>Makarov is unnecessarily bigNot unnecessary; the Makarov was a straight blowback design (to be cheap), so it had to be bulkier than a tilting block design firing the same caliber.>>64766623>.380 is completely unacceptablePerformance-wise, 9x18mm is much closer to .380 than you think. If you don't trust .380 then you shouldn't trust 9x18mm either. I just happen to trust both of those calibers.
>>64766710I would shell out for buffalo bore +P. I also like the historical aspect.
>>64764817> cheap PPKI love them both... and both of them are my carry guns for different occasions Tokarev too.
>>64764663Just get a Bersa Thunder.
>>64764663>I want a Makarov or Makarov adjacent pistol for EDC.LMAO no you don't. They're fun and cool guns so go ahead and get one but if you want to carry a small gun in something other than 9x19 then get a G42.
>>64764663I'm not gonna do the whole "uuuh heavy trigger, uuuh get something modern" pussy ass answers." PA63 etc will bite the shit out of you. 9x18 is plenty potent enough for defense, don't over think it. Get some PPU HP or Hornady Critical Defense. If you pocket carry just tie your Adidas pant string tight. CZ82 is objectively the better but also uglier choice. I EDC a IJ-70A with a Dozor grip for convenience. If you opt for a traditional Mak the bullies are great . Less you find a Baikal like me.
>>64764663It's workable if you absolutely have to, but there's dogshit for 9mm Makarov defensive loadings, and .380 Auto is almost the same thing.
>>64768918.380 has tons of great defensive loadings; the problem is that people keep trying to shoot them in mouse guns/pocket pistols with barrels shorter than 3". Lots of .380 ammo performs really well in guns like the S&W M&P Shield EZ, Beretta 80X Cheetah, and Ruger Security-380 and performs kind of bad in guns like the KelTec P3AT, Seecamp .380, and Ruger LCP.
>>64765423>shitty trigger and shitty sights.Oh look, another notraining noob who can't shoot. You wanna make more excuses as to why you can't keep quarter sized groupings or is it da twiggers fault? Does da twigger need to be cwisp and light and dewicious?
