Guns competing to replace the L85, the "Project Greyburn". Thoughts?
>>64766439>no bullpupBig sad, I know they were always gonna go 416 because everyone is going 416 but I was waiting for some silly indigenous wildcard or for them to adopt something out of left field like the VHS
>>64766462I wouldn't count out the KS-1, they've already adopted it for some of their SOF so KAC has a foot in the door with it.
>>64766439LMT probably doesn't have the scaleability, huh. Otherwise they'd be in there, the MARS looks like any of these.
>>64766439It'll be the narp or 416 (likely the 416) unless they get a killer deal on the scarAre they producing the mk3 in belgium or is it only US-made?
>>64766439Sako dropped out?
>>64766439>four AR-15s and two AR-18s
>>64766569no
>>64766569>>64766663Hoping Sako wins. Could do with some more dark horse outcomes. Plus after the UK's mighty contribution to Greenland's defense, Nordic cohesion would be valuable.
>>64766439>the "Project Greyburn". Thoughts?More like Project Gayburn, am I right?
>>64766761>Could do with some more dark horse outcomesLike the UK cops choosing the fucking Glock-15, out of nowhere, baffling any and all outside observers?
>>64766786I was impressed with the Krauts going with the Czech option for their service pistol.
>>64766588Isn't it more like five AR-18s and one AR-15? I think the KS-1 is traditional AR DI but afaik the rest are all piston guns, even if several have AR-based lowers and trigger groups etc.
>>64766804Maybe 3 and 3. Piston designs like the 416 are closer to the AR-15 in every way except the piston. Same basic bcg/buffer arrangement, almost identical bcg just minus the gas key. The AR-18 ones have the square bcg with dual springs.
>>64766439just adopt the hk416 and get on with it>>64766569im pretty sure they have production issues with it to the point that swedish army adopted m4a1s as interim service rifle
>>64766439The KS1 was already adopted by UK special forces. Piston driven shitters need not apply
>>64766786That was a peculiar one. Forgot that Glock were making a rifle and then adopted.
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>>64766439Gonna be the 416. Literally all you need.
>>64766439KS1 is best but does KAC even have the production capacity for a regular army?>dat golfball barrel hnnng
>>64766795I mean the criteria for the gun were>doesn't do sig things>is as cheap as humanly possible
>>64766439>HK416A8Most likely to actually win.>SCARCool gun, hamstringed by SOCOM from the beginning, will never be successful/not niche.>NARPWill succeed this generation about as well as the ARX did.>MCXWill win if SIGGERS manage to bribe bongs as they have every other contract.>BrenWill never be a complete design, will never be seen as a legit competitor.>KACGucci, but 50/50 chance it will actually work considering most SR15/16/25/M110 have dogshit reliability recordBasically, it's gonna be the H&K unless someone comes through with a nasty bribe.
>>64767104UK already adopted the KAC for their Ranger Regiment
>>64767115>KAC got their shit together for 5min to land a contract*Yeah, I know, now let us actually see them maintain any standard of quality control or production outside of a T&E phase. My money is on "no."
>>64767104Nah. For now it'll be FNThe UK said they want domestic manufacturing and FN are the only ones that have a factory to do that
>>64766439>yellow ar15>yellow ar15>black ar15>yellow ar15>black ar15>black ar15exciting
>>64766439>pistonslop AR15sGrim. The KAC is the best choice here.>>64766786Glock made a rifle?>>64766804I don't count an AR15 receiver with a short-stroke piston forced into it as a proper AR18, it's some kind of retarded halfbreed. You're not gonna get away from the carrier tilt without those guiderods.>>64766843It's partially money reasons, the Swedes got a good deal on refurbed GWOT era M4A1s, and they're provided as economic filler and for familiarizing. They still haven't fully decided and finalized everything with their AK24 as I recall.
>>64767176>Glock made a rifle?Yep. Some kind of AR carbine the bongland cops liked enough to adopt. There's very little public information about the rifle in question.
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>>64766439We should absolutely buy anything except US owned. I don't give a fuck which.
>>64767220Its literally just a plain AR, but it has glock LE pricing and it means PDs can use a single source for all their weapons procurement; which if youre not a gun person is more important than rollmarks. I wouldn't be surprised is glock comes out with a generic shotgun at some point to complement it.
>>64766439>more AR slopI can't wait for us to move past this gay ass pattern.
>>64767812It seems my superiority has caused some controversy
It's GOING to be the HK416, the ks-1 has a chance because of the UK already having familiarity with the KS-1. Anything else would be the result of idiocy or bribery.
>>64767145Doubt any of the others would mind giving license for local production in whatever factory brits can run.
>>64767812>I can't wait for us to move past this gay ass pattern.
>>64766439H&K is gonna win this one. Pretty much guaranteed.
>>64767911Yeah and if I had wings I could fly, but the brits cant run a factory, all the new L85 parts have been made in germany since the early 2000s; the Enfield factory doesn't do shit.
>>64767157There are two AR-18s in there
>>64767104The scar has been successful, its the service rifle of several countries and is used by a lot of euro cops and the SOF of some thirdie militarys. Its kind of like the Tavor or Galil ace, where people think they were failures because they lack significant presence on the US market, but theyre quietly used by half the third world.
>>64767998>The scar has been successful, its the service rifle of several countriesCame to dunk on the several claim, but it's spot on. Less than 70k between all of those users though with Thailand possessing more Tavors alone. Seems like a poorly received rifle overall just like the FS2000
>>64768042Considering it was made exclusively for Socom, that's a massive success. The F2000s was their "service rifle" in their product line, and it was a total failure; while the SCAR was a side project only costed to sell maybe 10k total. Its paid for itself with just one or two of its customers.
>>64767941I was about to say even turks are making 417 clones, how hard can it be?But then I tried to think of some british guns and yeah. you're right.
>>64766439>4 AR-15s>2 AR-18sI get that these are peak assault rifle, but man that's grim.
>>64766439KNEEL.
>>64767812imo its gonna be a long time until we evolve past AR15 based designsits gonna be like with bolt actions - mauser 98 became the gold standard and it took a whole new generation of semi auto rifles to actually progress with something newmaybe telescoped case ammo will finnalt catch on and we will see brand new designs>>64768121yeah i know its boring but i genuinely gotta ask what do you think is the alternative? i suppose a modernized roller delayed blowback could still be viable but it would still strugle with things like getting very dirty because its literally a blowback actionwe could also have a kriss vector style action but i got no idea how strong the springs and other components would have to be
