It's 1984 and a lone gunman commits the deadliest assault on a police precinct in history.17 death and who knows how many severely injured. Witness reports state that the gunman shrugged off several bullets during the shootout.What is the police, state and government response and how is it reported by the press?What sort of firepower is issued to those taking part in the manhunt?
I immediately take my case to the media that our police officers are hopelessly outgunned in today's violent world, having only outdated .38 revolvers. At my lead, police departments across the country undergo a complete shift to more modern firearms, and soon every officer is equipped with real stopping power as 9mm semiautomatics become the norm.
>>64777117Clearly just a perp high on PCP, nothing out of the ordinary.
There appear to be very few sightings or photographs of the T-800 in exoskeleton form or the T-1000 transforming.
>>64777117>What sort of firepower is issued to those taking part in the manhuntFurthest they would probably go is 40mm GL's, otherwise their best bet would be requisitioning some armored vehicles to fuck up the T800. This is 1984 after all, police were still anemic as fuck at the time. >>64777247Also this, how would they know the 800 is even a robot? They would probably assume its some body armor and a few bad shots by the cops. In T2 this is almost exactly what happens, and they respond with SWAT and all sorts of shit as soon as they realize its the same perp fucking everything up.
>>64777117You motherfucker, I was planning on making basically this thread.Anyway, the Phonebook Killer had just done a mass shooting at Tech Noir not long before, in addition to a couple of other murders, so he would easily be the worlds most prolific and infamous spree shooter and cop killer at the same time. Who then vanishes mysteriously, not a fucking trace.Something that feels interesting to ponder is what police psychology would be in response to the station butchery. You'd have some cops surviving and giving testimony, along with security cam footage, showing the Phonebook Killer taking 5.56mm to the face, which normally takes a chunk out of a person's skull (and I'm sure some cops have seen that up close), yet this just kind twitches a little and doesn't stop.The Phonebook Killer just wanders through heavy gunfire unopposed and calmly guns down dozens of cops with assault rifles like it isn't anything, and there's evidence of this.Thinking about how police and other law enforcement began jumping on 10mm Auto for a while in response to the 1986 FBI Miami Dade shooting, what would the notion be here? We need to go back to 7.62mm in case it happens again, we need to jump on Jeff Cooper's crackpot idea of a select-fire PDW in .45 WinMag?Could you imagine Paul Harrell doing a reenactment from a survivor's account 40 years into the future?Then you have the Cyberdyne conspiracy theories afterwards, where there's these scant murmurs regarding mangled remnants of some sort of unbelievably advanced robotics, on the scene where the cops finally find the Phonebook Killer's target, and that mysterious Reese suspect, who died.>>64777247It go missed I guess. I'm also thinking about that trucker who say his half unveiled cyborg face in his cabin and fled, how do you think that guy processed and reported that?>"We accidentally ran over a biker, I think, and I THINK he killed my co-worker before he stole our truck. He had silver on his face."
>>64777274They probably have no earthly fucking clue. I think most of the people who got up close and got a good look and see at the Phonebook Killer ignoring their bullets, are also those who were then very promptly killed in response.Before passing, a lot probably thought: >"Wait, is he even a human being?!">"Was that metal I heard and saw? But he's wearing just clothes?">"'CLANG!'? What the fuck do you mean 'CLANG!'?"Many survivors probably second guess themselves and whether or not they even hit, and some are not reliable witnesses due to being badly injured and maybe drifting out of consciousness.Some kind of body armor is one assumption, but he does get visibly shot in head and neck I think, which is harder to rationalize.Realistically, I think that you would need to either focus fire with an M2HB to reliably try to break down the T800, but he's not gonna stand still for that, or you would need something that penetrates like the devil, and by that I mean something like an M72 LAW, a shaped charge to truly blast his skeleton apart.I think also about that one cop in the squad car after the Tech-Noir shooting. He got his ass beat but he probably lived. Do you think he could recall that encounter, and then add that up with the later police station massacre? Maybe that was his precinct and he had the fortune of going to the E.R for a gash on his head instead of being killed with his comrades.Many years later, he turns up again, and it feels like the cops aren't freaking out quit enough given the sheer boogeyman reputation he must have had with L.A cops.
>>64777401>>"We accidentally ran over a biker, I think, and I THINK he killed my co-worker before he stole our truck. He had silver on his face."I've read witness reports of paranormal encounters. People report what they interpret their sightings as, not what they actually see. You will then have to work backwards from that. So the trucker would say that there was this one eyed guy with silvery face tattoos or paint on his face and a prosthetic eye.
>>64777487Probably, so that witness account is probably pretty easy to rationalize, but then you have the punks in the beginning where the T800 approaches them, naked, demands their clothes, and then does a fucking Mortal Kombat finisher on one of them like it was nothing.Now, you can extrapolate it as delusions from their drinking and maybe other drug use, but at some point the guy with a fist sized hole in his sternum is gonna be recovered, and that's going to be a wild injury to try to understand.>Coroner's note: "Fucked if I know! Sure you didn't find him at a factory or construction site or something?"There's no realistic way his buddies could have done it, so this naked person may have been real and he might have done SOMETHING, but god knows what.The police station testimony and evidence is the hardest to rationalize. Reese's and Sarah's testimony would be the easiest, as Reese sounds fucking crazy, and Sarah is also enduring a lot of shock and trauma, and could be viewed as being manipulated to go along with Reese's delusions.
>>64777475All of that lines up to an easy rationalization. The Phonebook Killer is a spree killer wearing some kind of homemade metallic armor under his clothes, his ability to shrug off hits can be attributed to drugs, and his sudden disappearance indicates he later died from his wounds.
>>64777487Just hope the guy questioning him isnt Mr. Skeptic. The whole reason behind the T-800 getting away with it the second time is because retards like pic rel interpret such victim statements as being 'ones created under stress and potentially fatal duress, meaning they are likely unreliable and therefore unverifiable'.Regardless, it would be hard to believe some time traveling robot came back in time to kill some 'random' woman, especially in the early eighties.
>>64777531Maaaybe, but he'd have to be real skinny to hide something like that underneath his clothes, yet he looks natural, and he does visibly bleed and tear when injured.
>Tech-Noir bouncer:>"He went in without paying, I tried to stop him but he crushed my hand. Moments later, he pulled out a machinegun and started shooting."
Were any pieces of the artificial bio skin recovered and analyzed?
>unusual foreign accent>seemingly dropped out of the sky on the west coast>targeting a woman named Sarah ConnorExcerpt from Classified Document XX-Redacted-[]Clearly this individual was a highly trained Soviet agent whose target was either an American intelligence asset unknown to myself or this agency. Or more likely, a rogue USSR intelligence asset living in deep cover within the United States. Somehow Soviets discovered the assumed identity of this asset but were unable to determine which of the "Sarah Connor"s in the metro area were the asset in question so they eliminated all of them. The man was obviously highly trained in infiltration, night-fighting, athletics, and evasion of law enforcement. He displayed a baffling combination of intricate knowledge of American society combined with a very limited grasp of popular and alternative culture as can been seen in statements regarding his public behavior. His overly stiff mannerisms and heavy accent may even have been a ruse to make observers dismiss his behavior as eccentricity or the ignorance of a foreigner. Especially given that his accent was reported as Germanic rather than Slavic. This could be coincidence or indicative of a long carrier in multiple agencies throughout the Soviet sphere of influence.
>>64777580>recovered and analyzedEven in the eighties the tech wasn't quite there yet for any conclusive analysis. At most they would get the genetic markers for most future living tissue T-800 models, but with only one wit would probably look and be detected as a perfectly normal human dermis tissue sample. The best part about Terminator is theorizing how the world would react after the second attack, there would undoubtedly be a massive investigation and I feel it would be quickly found out that Arnold isn't a normal person at all, especially considering there would be little to no muscle tissue in any recovered samples of his flesh.What would happen after that. Personally, I think a new cold war would erupt over who can make the first terminator. Would be a better concept for a 'Salvation-like' prequel than all the bullshit we've gotten so far.
>>64777628He was likely wearing something equivalent to XSAPI of the sort US intelligence assets did during the Troubles in Northern Ireland. It would take some kind of XSAPI to stop the 5.56 or even the .223 fired at him from the police AR thus I suspect it was some sort of face-hardened steel armor remanence of naval armor. Most steel armor inserts and plates for vehicles are homogeneous but this was clearly a gold-platter job so a extreme Rockwell hardness on the impact face could blunt the penetration of FMJ arounds enough to allow even thin steel plates to resist rifle rounds. Only a communist system could cast a wide enough net and expend enough resources to train such an exemplarily individual, perhaps selected from a foreign puppet state during early adolescence to display all the traits demonstrated by the individual in question. A man capable of acquiring the skills he displayed, with the physique he attained, and the tolerance for various drugs(expanded upon later) he is suspected to have been utilizing is certainly one in a million. We have seen similar chemical assistance render to athletes within the Communist sphere, particularly the various female athletes of 70s Eastern German Olympics teams who were subjected to regimes of androgenizing hormones and anabolic testosterone to enhance their performance.
>>64777117The worst thing that would come from this is the crazy anti- gun laws that California would end up with.Can you imagine?
>>64777580That'd be another interesting thing. The flesh exterior seems to actually plain die and stop bleeding at some point, it gets more pale and seems to actually be slowly decaying as it goes.The novelization claims that the T800 with the flesh exterior has some kind of organic heart in its chest cavity (synthetic or not), which pumps blood to keep the flesh suit alive, but that Reese hits and destroys it at Tech-Noir, which begins the degradation.>>64777628Oh yeah, testimonies describing him as having an Austrian accent is going to make all sorts of fun conspiracy theories linking it to East Germany and STASI.Now, imagine STASI and the KGB learning of this complete shitshow, and them trying to puzzle it together.>>64777647They did destroy the T1000, converted T800, and the remnants of the first T800, along with Cyberdyne, so what would be left?
>>64777658This would definitely fuel that. If they managed to recover his Uzi or AR180, they'd be able to determine that he had managed to convert the things on his own, and I wonder if that would become known?
>>64777117>>64777401Right after the events of Terminator 1 the FBI would commission a rifle chambered for a new ultra-high-velocity depleted uranium round, then adopt a smaller less powerful version with a non-armor-piercing bullet just in time for Terminator 2
>>64777651This individual my have been consuming immuno-suppressants and painkillers during his operation within the United States The extreme muscularity of the man as described by witnesses, common to body builders, indicates he was a habitual user of anabolic steroids and perhaps growth hormones both human and bovine. This was likely a compulsory part of his training as an assassin; so he carry the variety of weapons he was observed utilizing, wield a 12 gauge shotgun one handed with ease, and support armor he wore. The immuno-suppressant supposition is based on on the fact he may have taken hits to his legs, groin, or face but displaced no significant impairment afterward. Blood found at several of the scenes was matched with itself but not with any known victim. Said blood was that of a Caucasian male with O- blood type. This blood did test positive for both artificial testosterone and human growth hormone, though it expired before more exacting pathology tests could be conducted. Thus it can be assumed the unknown individual was wounded but not sufficiently to impair his movement. It is my suspicion he may have had Kevlar or even steel plates sub-terminally implanted in his body to reduce the chance of incapacitation by a lucky bullet or piece of shrapnel striking a vital area like the subclavian, femoral, or even this face which could not be armed inconspicuously. His massively overbuild musculature would also serve to obfuscate this fact and indeed may have been the result of recovery from surgery utilizing unknown steroids. This may have been a recent addition to his regime of preparations as an assassin or his immuno-suppressants my have compromised his health following injury while in the United States. I base this supposition on the fact that eye-witness testimony describes the man as emitting the scent of decay and having fresh wounds around his right orbital which he attempted to conceal with sunglasses.
The only symbolic parts that remained were the wrist and the microchip, but I think a lot of information could have been gleaned from the other parts that were simply crushed rather than melted in the furnace.
>>64777661>They did destroy the T1000, converted T800, and the remnants of the first T800, along with Cyberdyne, so what would be left?They now know it can be done, and how effective it can be. Not nearly as good as physical testing but it would absolutely influence the direction of future robotics development.I like the idea from earlier that the apocalypse in Terminator 3 would have changed to human vs human using new kinds of Terminators, could go wild on what they'd be capable of.
>>64777709The strangest aspect of the incident was the appearance of another man who later self-identified as "Kyle Reese" to LA PD Precinct 4 upon his arrest in association with a Sarah Connors and following a shootout at the constabulary "Club Noir". He claimed that the individual in question was not an agent of the Soviet Union but a cybernetic artificial lifeform capable of independent action within the confines of parameters of behavior set by the direct orders of an unknown foreign power. It is my assumption that "Kyle Reese" was an American Intelligence asset who had suffered a mental breakdown, possibly compounded by the discovery of covert information regarding the mystery assassin or other Soviet intelligence assets like him, for what could one call a man like the one hypothesized above but a "cyborg". I it is my belief that Mr. Reese suffered a stress induced phycological break due to operating under deep cover as a homeless man or drifter. This break my have been exacerbated by his consumption of illicit substances while incognito, though no controlled substances were present in his system at the time of his arrest.After the shootout at LA Precinct 4 detailed above Section 3A subsection 4, the unknown intelligence asset, "Sarah Connors", and "Kyle Reese" all disappeared. Though subsequently a further exchange of gunfire on the Sana Monic Highway 28 was reported including the the explosion of a tanker truck following a highway accident of unknown providence.
>>64777773>it is my belief that Mr. Reese suffered a stress induced physiological break due to operating under deep cover as a homeless man or drifter. This break my have been exacerbated by his consumption of illicit substances while incognito, though no controlled substances were present in his system at the time of his arrest.This would be a lucid analysis if it wasnt for the fact that Reese dies in the encounter, he clearly was deadset on protecting his assigned VIP, Sarah Connor, who has literally no government presence other that her ID and the fact she is a law abiding citizen that pays taxes. Why would a red asset go after such an unremarkable individual? Why would said individual have protection (whom she had never even met) from someone literally willing to die protecting them? There would be so many more questions than answers it would be foolish to act like it would be seen as a (relatively) cut and dry case of people being fucked up and those damn commies. Nobody can survive the shit the Terminator did, and the testimony from Reese would only cement that idea.
>>64777820For the sake of argument, Sarah's proclaimed identity could be a fake one cooked up by the glowies as a cover.
>>64777846>proclaimed identitySure, but she was interviewed and subsequently institutionalized by the state, that result would be cut and dry, if she was really important enough to be targeted by a super-assassin, she wouldn't be locked up for surviving.
>>64777820I was roleplaying as a CIA or NSA functionary with limited information about events which were not recorded by mechanical devices or could be attained through eye-witness statements. Basically it was assumed Sarah Connor was an assumed identity, possibly assumed after the original was killed. Remember her roommate had also been killed so they nobody to corroborate her recent history. If it was an American asset it would be assumed her entire history was fictional and her close associates were also in the pay of the US government for unknown reasons. If she was a foreign asset the identify may have been temporarily assumed and the original Sarah Connor disposed of discretely prior to the new Soviet "assassin" being sent to eliminate the rogue asset.It can also be assumed that either the corporation or the US government deliberately covered up everything they could about the disabled robot and Reese's body as well as the events following the Police Shootout.Remember the killer was just greasing everybody with the name Sarah Connor, so it might be assumed even he didn't have the capability to recognize her on sight. It would merely be assumed that she was the correct "asset Sarah Connor" due to the fact that two unknown intelligence agents of unknown providence shot up half of LA over her. Thus her identity as a Waitress estranged from her family was the perfect cover whether contrived by glowniggers or assumed violently.
>>64777872That didn't happen for like eight years, when she tried to blow up a computer factory, and she'd fucked every random militia leader in early 90s America. If that isn't glownigger honeypot behavior I don't know what is. And like Reese it could just be blamed on being a druggie for years.
God, what a fucking enjoyable movie. Such exciting action and thrilling horror, such great cinematography and writing.
>>64777971>that picI want some Yuengling now...
>>64777846How many of us have gone to our local gun store, wrang up a couple hundred bucks and thought to themselves 'Fuck it I just gave this faggot over a hundred bucks I'm gonin' in.'>Shopkeep: "Anything else?">"Yeah, the uzi 9mm, the twelve gauge autoloader, the .45 long-slide...with laser sighting, and a phased plasma pulse rifle in the 40W range."It's sad that they still had faggy waiting periods in the 80s, fucking disgrace and unconstitutional bullshit. That was a free white skinned robot built in the USA he shouldn't have to wait for handguns.
good thread this
>>64777743So our timeline essentially. "Robots with guns are wasteful, just make the robot into an EFP that will cut through anything, and make it fly, and cheap as fuck."
