/arg/ - SCAR victim weight editionPreviously, on days of our /arg/>>64801693
>>64806679Wow less than 30 seconds.
>>64806694As to be expected from a mossad agent.
>>64806700Never forget the USS liberty or the suspicious dancing Israelis
>>64806700>>64806694Hmm these posts are exactly 60 seconds from each other. Interesting
>>64806714Bro dun scratched all his paint off this time
>>64806748
>>64806766How much of a pain was the install on that flash can? Strela?
Fuck, I don't want to drive an hour to go punch paper. Fuck gun ranges. Why are they so fucking far.
>>64806778what kind of pain are you expecting? Use a crush washer or correct size or a stack of washers and then torque it on. Nothing to it
>>64806794>how do the deer know to cross there?
>>64806794Mine is 10 minutes. I keep getting there early and having to wait for them to open.
KEEP IT 13 LIKE THE EPSTEINS
KEEP IT 14 LIKE THE ROMANS
>>64806794Literally the exact reason I haven't gone to the good range since last May
>>64806829KEEP IT 15 LIKE THE SWEDES
>>64806835Americans should have a right to roam. So many places with safe backdrops far enough away from houses to not cause a disturbance that are owned by some kike corp or another or some stupid zoning laws.
>>64806795I’m disappointed it wasn’t something excruciating. Might give one a go. Thinking about ditching the carry handle upper.
>>64806846I don't get that one
>>64806862>I’m disappointed it wasn’t something excruciatingWhy? And why would it be?
>>64806794I'm lucky to have a range close to me, but it's been so cold the last few weeks that I can't bring myself to go.
>>64806858Simply live out west, its a non issue aside from the odd falling tree blocking road access
>>64806794I don't mind the hour drive, I make a day of it and sometimes bring my Coleman and make some hotdogs. It was actually fun getting the funds to open up when I was younger. They love hotdogs. Now the range is filled with cod tiktok brain zoomers. I find myself shooting .22s and trying to get the best groups now a days, but usually pack up early because zoomers just mag dump into the ground with no sights and walk between ranges with them loaded. I'm so bored when I go now though, seeing less boomers to, they really did have some fun oddities in their collections. Squirrel hunting has actually helped curve the bordem of not having your own range. There are a few gun clubs with neat steel set ups, but they either charge way to much or the rules negatively impact trying to train.
>>64806881Is parallax an issue with thermal clip ons? I still don't understand how clip ons are zeroed. Do I bring the image to the day optic's crosshair?
>>64806863The previous age of consent in Sweden.
>>64806881Did you drive to Shot Show or fly?
>>64806865Because that means the barrier to me trying it out is low. Could be that I’m confusing install on something else but had the impression they weren’t exactly wrench on.
>>64806881I know I lived out West. But I wanted to live near family and friends, a support network, and also there weren't any good jobs in good companies in the industry I work in. You fuck trannies
>>64806922I have nonidea waht younare referring to, but what ever it is it's probably easier than you think.
>>64806879This build changed my mind. I will NOT abandon my carry handle upper.>>64806935ntau cov xim rau koj xaiv
>>64806903>parallaxSort of.Rather than parallax between the ocular and the reticle, you have parallax between the display and the scope.Thankfully this parallax is a fixed variable for any given scope+mounting height+mounting distance combo. If you locked your rifle in a bench vise, put a coti on it and aimed at a point with the coti/rifle scope and then removed the coti you would observe a degree of shift in your POA. On my NSW recce + Yoter this is roughly 12.1cm high and 2.4cm right @ 100m>ZeroYou dont zero them, you remove/compensate for parallaxYou remove the aforementioned parallax can be mitigated one of two ways1) Properly collimated thermal eyepiece to remove parallax. This is usually a risley prism aligned on a bench and placed in the thermal. This is why you have mil thermals that dont require "zeroing" . You pay for this with cost, weight and bulkor2) Screen sliding. The thermal presents the 640x480 image as 640x480 pixels on a 1024x768 canvas or whatever the specifics of the thermal is. You then adjust where on that canvas the 640x480 image presents. This is effectively minimizing the parallax of the thermal by shifting the point of aim accordingly. This is cheap but kinda fucking annoying and isnt truly precise so there will always be a little bit of precision missed between steps of adjustment. This is what your cheap chinese thermals do.So when sliding the screen in my yoter I feed it -12.1 and -2.4 variables respectively and boom the thing more or less matches whatever my turrets on the rifle are doing. >>64806915Fly, no time to drive.
>>64806981>FlyAlbq?
>>64806929Skill issue. Leave all that behind to go shoot bro.
>>64806981>you have parallax between the display and the scope.Yeah that's what I meant. I haven't noticed it at the range but at home trying it on different setups I could tell.
Hey, hey bro wait BRO ARE THOSE THE WRMFZZY x NGGR HTLR MULTICAM BAPE DEFCONS HOLY SHIT DUDE WHATS YOUR CASHAPP I'LL TAKE THEM OFF UR FEET FOR $900 RIGHT NOW BRO
>>64807191this but unironically
>>64807191uhhhhhhhhhhmmmm lowkirkenuinely... type shit, TWIN
>>64806969>This build changed my mindgood?
>>64807191me when i keep it a stack and slime out my wardrobe and ar-15 on some real miami baller type shit (on god)
>>64806879Great build anon.
I'm really tempted to get an H&R M16A1, bros. They look so cool.
KEEP IT 42 LIKE THE ROMANS
>>64807336Try it and let me know how it is
Bugonia fun
Can one of you id this can?
>>64807518Q x Sneako BTTFKR 556K
>>64807518It's a liberty precision machining can, I just don't know the exact model.
>10 round limit>Needs a fixed magSave me...
>>64806881Too bad nothing except healthcare pays worth a fuck out West outside of the fag states.
>>64807598Boobies
i like m-lok
>>64808032
Can anybody provide me some flashlight kits that are on the cheaper affordable side without sacrificing quality?I dont need a bright 10 million candela light, but anything that wont crap out on me is fine
>>64808175i use a g2x in a ring mount but the inforce wmlx is also a good option
>>64808175Streamlights are the poorfags gold standard. Just not sexy looking
>>64808207>g2xcan you put a pressure switch on the back of those?
>>64808277yes they are compatible with the surefire millenium tail cap if you want to use a pressure switch
KEEP IT 58 LIKE THE ROMANS
>>64805428 #>With the short barrel deviated last the thr original design and suppressor it can hang up and fuse the upper together to where you can get the bolt outnow for an esl please>>64808277You can also buy a not-DS00 tailcap from ebay for the g2x and connect it to a crane compatible switch
>>64808207Inforce WMLX is a terrible option, the heads break off super easily among other issues.
>>64808175just get an m640df. I've used a ton of lights, and that is the only one you need.
>>64808277>pressure switchjust don't
KEEP IT 63 LIKE THE ROMANS
>>64807485Ending have me a kek
Is only having active aiming gonna get me killed? I’m just looking to be able to overmatch 3rd world special forces.
>>64809036according to anon on here even your average burglar crackhead these days has nods, so active aiming will you just you killed inna hallway.
>>64809036>third would special forces wut
>>64809036You'll be fine, it's fine
don't even shoot your gun, it will give both an audible and visual signature. your best bet is to just stay home and relax
my dog took my vertical foregrip off the table because she thought it was a toy
>>64809050Half the time I don’t even use passive anyways, so I guess. Thanks.>>64809047>>64809043Post too many memes and next thing you know Cambodia Special Forces want your ass.
>>64809043Presume everyone has night vision at the minimum because everyone has thermal now too.
>>64809102Errrm you need at least 640 because you can't just shoot at random heat signaturesYou just can't!
>>64809102My plan is to carry around a reflective pane of glass so that people with thermals can't see me and those with active aiming will have their lasers bounced back at them to blem their nods. That way, only true passive chads will survive engagements with me.
>>64809130*teleports behind you*What now, chud?
>>64809130>Block thermal>But there's now a giant censor bar in the woods
>>64809086Cambodian special forces but they’re girls and I have sex with them>>64809102The majority of people ITT have neither
>>64809130What happens when you step on a land mine
>>64809148not gonna work on me again
>>64809146They got mad when I started sending things like picrel. I get random calls from angry Cambodians.
>>64809167TYFYS
Does anyone have any ashdealz on fp lams?
>>64809167There is a significant Cambodian population where I live. The girls are hot, by jungle Asian standards, but they act like niggers.
>>64809183They get really mad when you start to darken their skin in comparison to the Thai or Vietnamese. Like make them a whole shade browner.
>>64809143Obviously they can't shoot me if they can't PID me. >>64809148I quickly shift the shatter resistant pane of glass to cover my feet and absorb the blast.
>>64809191They are significantly darker than Vietnamese who are more like Chinese complexion. Thai seem to vary. A lot of Vietnamese here too, they can also be niggerish but not nearly as bad as Cambodians.Tbqh not hard to see why Chinese themselves as superior to other Asians.Japanese are obviously the best across all categories, definitely an S tier race,Chinese are quiet, follow the rules, don’t cause trouble but once they get Americanized after a few generations they turn pretty insufferable.I don’t know anything about Koreans other than they love Starcraft so they’re cool.The rest of Asians are whatever. Seems like they kind of exist for the sole purpose of taking white dick.
>>64809181I heard Ash ended up in jail recently so we won't be getting any Ash deals for a while.
>>64809167How does a network of Cambodians have your phone number?
I think I'm going to buy an NX8 with the DMx reticle
>>64809228I’m actually not sure. I did start sending these memes to suspicious texts so man that’s how. In some of the memes, I make them look nearly African. It makes them pretty frustrated.
>>64809218Fishy ratted him out for a lighter punishment
>>64809167>>64809191>>64809212I have no dog in this race can we focus on this for no reason and act really impassionate about this border bug war
>>64808911this but make sure its the turbo. OG DF is mid>>64809196Really? Slade dropped the ball...>>64809118You can't buy a functional thermal for less than 1800, you just can't!
>>64807191Had this happen before>>64807607Sounds like personal development is needed here>>64809319>OG DF is midWrong but thanks for playing
>>64809319what range are they at
>>64809325Bro you don't have a light on your spr you're going to be killed how could you not have a light on your spr you don't shoot you just take pictures
>>64809325Bizarro A2 be like: let me share my opinion and good natured jokes while my biological female wife and non-IVF baby sleep.
anyone have a wood stocked sbr?something like pic related but short short
>>64809330He doesn't shoot he goes to TUSC and they always call their hits okay, no cheating
>>64809343Damn a wood dissy might go hard, especially with a slightly shorter, Colt 607-type stock. Would be pretty snassy. One of those kobra/old style red dots on top
>>64809330Larger issue: Theres not even a magazine in the rifle!
When setting up a fighting rifle, especially for an American to use in a semi-guerilla fashion for contingencies where there is a partial breakdown of society, it seems like the ideal format would be something in the 11.5-16 inch range to cover the widest variety of likely scenarios such as user would encounter. Of course this is mainly focused on defense of home and community, but I would think it would be reasonable to encounter anything from singular, desperate vagabonds all the way up to foreign special operations forces looking to exploit the chaos. From there, the goal is to ensure you have as much capabilities across as many spectrums as possible. Humor me, and for the purposes of this thought exercise I am not really focused on enablers such as UXS, comms, gear etc. The obvious friction is wanting to cram as much "stuff" as possible into a relatively short package. The shorter the rifle, the more flexibility one has as far as movement options, ease of use, external appearance, etc. but you also lose out on real estate quickly when it comes to getting a good scope, thermal, IR laser and so on. Where would you rack and stack these enablers, given the situation? Prioritize day optic (MPVO) and thermal and push the IR to the side? More compact option like a red dot/mag or Elcan and accept the day optic constraints? Try to go middle of the road with an LPVO and get everything fitting on the top rail, but have to go with a longer gun/handguard combo to cram things on top? Just want to see what people would prioritize as far as making things fit.
>>64809343>>64809354"Gunpowder" from The Boys has one kind of like that.
>>64809409this is a retarded premise for a number of reasons. if shit actually hits the fan you will be drafted and issued a weapon. any situation where that is not happening, then shit has not really hit the fan and this is just fanciful home defense larp.
>>64809422Okay
>>64809409You talk like a faggot and you are deviating from the original design and will have your buffer retainer fail and the rifle seized.
>>64809409Not reading this schizobabble
>>64809285He was trying to meet a minor from roblox.
>>64809409You can fit an NX8+acro+RH25 on SBR length handguards. Do you really want an offset lam and light? At that point the gun is getting fairly bulky upfront.Thankfully AR15s and their uppers are so cheap you can have a 10.3-11.5" gun with a dot+mag and a MFAL and a dedicated longer range 14.5-16" upper with a proper scope, coti, etc. If that coti happens to be a multirole unit you can still use it in a spotter role with the shorter upper.
>>64809409Not interested
>>64809462That's generally the conclusion I've come to, but would prefer to keep the LAM. I think the NX8, especially with the DMx reticle, is a good choice seeing as it was specifically created for an agency with the idea of fitting on a short upper with thermals and lasers, granted it is not the best performing LPVO out there but you gotta pay the piper somewhere to cram it into such a tiny package. Thanks.
I exploded my wrist at the gym right before my first match on Sunday
>>64809491How?
for me, it's mk18 + elcan
>>6480940911.5" with a quality lightweight and short MPVO, maybe something like the new Primary Arms 1.5-12x36mm FFP that is 9.3" long and 16.5ozStacked closed emitter top dot like a 509T X2 or a COA, side mount Arken Targetlock 3000 WMLR, clip on thermal like an RH25 V2 or maybe the upcoming 640 micro clip on from DNT. PLH V2 multi mode 18350 light head on an SF 340 18350 Pro pivot body, Unity Gas Cap USB C tailcap, Modbutton USB -C pressure switch, and some sort of super lightweight low profile IR laser and illuminator setup, I'm a bit out of touch with those these days. Throw a Rhodie 6k on there, an Arc-fire 45/90 FRT SS with mil spec style long long levers and then some 73,75, 77gr NAS3 That would be pretty solid>>64809462>NX8Ew >>64809491nlg that URX 3.1 with the BT SF mount and that thick can look great. Scalloped KAC ambi selector is uggo and bad function. Elcan needs a top dot. DS00 tailcap heavy and expensive and full size light no thanks. But fr the aesthetic of the rail and can are solid.
>>64809526>That entire buildNo thanksDNT thermal sucks, laggy junk
>>64809462I'm divesting from oncloud shoes after I had 2 pairs rip through the eyelets when I pulled the laces tight. Retvrning to tradition w/ New Balance 933s.
>>64809409Why not just get the primary arms PLXC?
>>64809539Which one were you looking through again? I haven't heard anything as such in reviews. >>64809462>NX8Quick linear approximation apples to apples evaluation shows the Primary Arms 1.5-12x absolutely blowing the NX8 1-8x out of the water in terms of magnification value normalized FOV and exit pupil by ~50-60% obviously as a result to first order of the ~50% increase in objective lens diameter. Weight and length are comparable, and of course the cherry on top is the additional magnification range of the PA which goes to 12x vs the 8x top end of the NF. Oh no but we lost 50% of our low end going from 1x to 1.5x?! Oh but we gained 50% on our top end going from 8x to 12x... and gained FOV and exit pupil throughout the range thanks to 50% increase in objective diameter..... Fuck a LPVO, nigga
>>64809526>>64809610The MPVO is 9.75", which doesn't seem like much but in a game of inches, it's gonna push the LAM off and I don't want to do so. Also, the ACSS is a really bad reticle and I'm definitely not putting a primary arms scope on this rifle.Maybe the new DAGIR will be short enough to make a longer LPVO fit, with the transverse battery allowing for room for battery changes.
>>64809619NX8 is over 1" shorter, more durable, and has a much superior reticle.
>>64809625>over 1" shorterIt's only 0.53 inch shorter.
>>64809619Nx8 1-8 shits on the elcan
>>64809619Looked through all of their thermalsMajority of them had lag, all of the digital/thermal ones had lag. Webm rel doesnt do it justice but its much more visible irl and was independent of any settings I could find in the menu.>The larger scope is largerWhoa...... this is some groundbreaking stuff! We need to get this to the relevant authorities stat!Also ACSS reticle = worthless
>I want to put an MPVO, thermal clip-on, and LAM all on my 9" handguardwhy don't you retards just not do that
>>64809641>dot + mag + thermalThe thinking mans choice
>>64809641Fits on my 10 inch handguard.
>>64809645tbqh this has been example of why I don't like 11.5s at all. With a 10.3 and a 14.5 there exists a very clear distinction and as such the rationale for choosing one over the other is thought out and deliberate. 11.5tards think that it's both in one and so they start trying to do 14.5 use cases with 10,3 physical dimensions. In other words, it is a retard magnet barrel length.
>>64809526>unnecessary failure points >heavy untested gizmos>massive optic>trigger doohickey>wee barrel>135 CPR ammo non barrier blind ammo>fighting rifleMuhuhuhaha!
>>64809638>groundbreaking stuff!Exactly, it isn't, which is why it is baffling that retards still suggest LPVOs when the gains are obvious, and linear, by going to MPVOs. Oh that is right it is because poors and aesthetica fashonista posters don't want to pay for the top red dot and MPVOs look off (just not what they're used to) on top of short guns. >largerEven if the MPVO has the SAME objective size as the LPVO under comparison, you still get the magnification range gains at zero normalized FOV and exit pupil loss. Maybe a bit darker at the top end, as compared to the imaginary brightness of the top end that the LPVO doesn't have? Same brightness and clarity (optic quality held constant) at like magnification values?MPVOs are just free range and capability at this point (modulo the cost of a top red dot and no "drip" because it looks weird). >>64809641You absolutely can at this point though.
>>64809678>You absolutely can at this point though.Let's see yours
>>64809526>73,75, 77gr NAS3Listen buddy that's a good idea
>>64809678Doesnt matter, acss ruins opticPA retarded and as such the whole optic is ruined. Its no different than Leupold duplex posting.
>chasing stopgap buildswhy don't you just not do that
>>64809661The use case works the same to 300 yards for all 3 lengths. If you want to maintain a higher lethality past that distance the benefits of a longer barrel ie 14.5+ start to come into play. 11.5 mostly nets you a smoother less violent shooting experience that helps reduce wear on your gun greatly. The added velocity gives some overhead and is a bit closer to a sweet spot but I don't think its that much of a game changer IRL.
>>64809633Idk how you do math, but 8.7 vs 9.75 is over 1">>64809678I got to take a look at the PA 1.5-12 at SHOT. Admittedly, I dislike the ACSS reticles, but even still I was not overly impressed with the scope. Did you get to play with it at all at SHOT? Interested to see what you thought of the glass clarity.
>>64809686I mean yeah reticle is shit and it is chink glass and Primary Arms etcBut NF COULD have done something similar, obviously, but instead we get the NX6 2-12 which is better overall. Main issue is the weight and length at 23oz and 12.5"But we get the extended magnification range and the better FOV and Exit pupil at that. Assuming the other shit fits and sits (clip on, light laser etc), I'm fine with an NX6 2-123-18 IMO starts running into the weight and length issue even more, and the 3x one might argue is a bit tight for clip on scanning. >>64809717>not overly impressedDo elaborate bls>did you get to play at allNo I unironically just fed gippy the specsheet, I didn't go to shot and haven't been, but I would like to (to wall post IRL).
>>64809721Well the whole point is stuff doesn't fit unless you compromise somewhere by removing stuff or getting a longer barrel/hand guard. At the end of the day there is no such thing as a free lunch.
>>64809684for me? It's the 69gr NAS3. Gets over 2,800 fps from 13.9 inches
>trijicon optic is $1800 on their website >same optic, sold by trijicon, is $1100 on Amazon ?
>>64809717>9.75
>>64809690That’s an extremely relaxed definition of “use case” and doesn’t provide any counter arguments to what I said so I’m not sure why you posted it.
>>64809755It do be like that
Whats the point in suppressing an ar more than 14.5 inches? It doesn't make it much quieter, often doesnt even help with flash that much, and just adds weight and length. Im genuinely asking, is the signature even worth it when going longer than 11.5 even?? With the increase in thermal usage, is it worth having a giant glowing tube on the front of your gun? The downsides of cans seem to edge out any benefit
>>64809760The use case is shooting things, its a gun. You seem to be confused why 11.5 is a better choice over a so 10.3 I explained why. My broader point is if you are shooting under 300 yards the barrel length between all 3 mean very little in practical terms if talking purely of velocity/lethality.
>>64809774Some people just want to look cool
>>64809774Just like NODS pushing out LAMs for peer to peer thermals are gonna push out cans. I warned you bro, stop gap bro.
>>64809755Amazon optic was purchased and returned at least 3x, has a scratch in the anodization from when Hector opened the box with his knockoff Spyderco (also purchased through Amazon), and is missing the cleaning cloth that he decided to keep. Should have gone thru scopelist, eurooptic, or kenzies.
>>64809791Yeah thats cool and i get suppressing other guns but realistically for a 5.55 fighting riflr is the juice worth the squeeze?
>>64809759>Magnification 1x-8xGood going there, shotsy.
>>64809793That sucks, I bought my TA31 w/ topmounted RMR and it was brand new. Costed me $1700~ before taxesSo how did I do guys? I present to you my MK12 inspired 'SPR.' BCM SS410 18" 1/8 upper, PSA milspec lower, Magpul DT-PR stock and bipod, and will soon install a G$ SSA-E. Going to shoot AAC 77GR SMK BTHP and see how it groups. Hopefully the gun likes it
People be like "turn based combat SUCKS" and then argue on 4chan
>>64809827Oh, forgot the scope. Its a Vortex Diamondback 4-16x44 MRAD
>>64809774>>64809792>Dude your can glow!Yeah thankfully there isnt a glowing person right next to the gun. >But can so much hotterThats crazy, the thermals can tell hundredths of degrees apart and you are vastly larger than the suppressor.
>>64809755>buying directly from the manufacturerur cooked unc
>>64809793>Should have gone thru scopelist, eurooptic, or kenzies.hmm funny you mention that, the same optic is also $1100 on euroscope. didnt check the others
>>64809827don't ever associate that think with a mk12 again
>>64809823Why are you comparing the 1-8 NX8 against the 1.5-12 PA???
>>64809864Because WGWS was arguing to go with the MPVO over an LPVO.
>>64809864Luckily for you the posts are still available and clearly link to each other. If you hover over them, you can see the post where WGWS compares the NX8 to the 1.5-12 PA
>>64809829Underrated
>>64809823It’s not the size it’s what you do with it ahhh scope
>>64809879OK but I suggested the 1-8 >>64809610
>>64809829i think of it like Chess not something like ZZZ
>>64809890Well first they're both called PLXc. Second, why the fuck would I go with a worse 1-8? Is that actually a serious suggestion?
I got a PLXc, took it out of the box, looked down the sight and then sent it back the next day without even mounting it. I think it most the most overrated optic ever, even more than the eotech, and it made me think everyone who shills it is a disingenuous fraud
>>64809927It's not even cheap compared to real optics.
>>64809855Woah bud, I just wanted to make an accurized AR for shits and giggles and start learning precision shooting. Can't blame a man for citing his sources.
>>64809902Ah I see you started with the "stupid faggot" opening and lead into a "tranny fucker Gambit," rookie mistake
>>6480940980% of people will benefit most from a simple 11.5 with RDS + light. 20% of people might benefit from greater capabilities, just gotta figure out if you fall into the 20%>do you want/need NV>do you shoot 300-500y with precision/PID, possibly out to 800+>Barrel length/contour if you decide to run a suppressor>durability requirements...etcI want certain capabilities built into the gun, generally WL and passive aiming solutions as a bare min, active too if I have the rail estate. Some form of magnification too if possible even if it's just a magnifier on a qd that stays in my pocket most of the time. Same goes for thermal>>64809326about 260y, double check next time I'm out>>64809325>WrongI run the og and have nothing against it, but I've compared them side by side the turbo pushes further>also weirdly did better illuminating thru windshields
>>64809840Ok but cans still glow more under nods. Obviously you are pro suppressor but then what would you go with if confined to a 16” gun? The other trade offs still add up compared to a good flash hider
>>64809990he has advocated for nocans on 16" which means he concedes not every duty rifle needs a can which means you're right.
>>64809907It's cheaper, it has amazing Jap glass, and it's red dot bright. Sounds better to me.
>>64809989Flood, its all about flood>WindshieldsYeah absolutely more candela will help there>>64809990>glow moreEh, debatable they are physically hot and thermals pick that up very nicely.>What if confined to 16" gunDepends on what youre doing with the rifle, there are very few places where a 16" gun with a can is an option but an 11.5" gun with a can is not an option so it becomes self solving. At that point if you cant have any NFA you should be using a smith vortex and low flash ammo.
>>64810014>if I had to go with a 16" with no can I simply wouldn't >how would I feel if I didn't have breakfast this morning? But I did have breakfast that doesn't make senseA2 cannot rotate an apple in his head or impress a biological female
>>64810031>or impress a biological femaleI can't do that either
>>64810031>Cant readReally insightful post anon.
Is thay Geissele comment a shot fired at ML?
>>64810046which sentinel
14.5 unsuppressed is loud asf what are you niggers smoking
>>64810046Answer the question, dog
>>64810068guns are loud, yes, 5.56 with can a little less loud. Worth it your call
>>64810056None of them ideally>>64810068Concussion near other people is more of an issue than the loudness tbqh
>>64810044Okay but you got further than him which is crazy if you think about it
>>64810078So really you want the shortest can first, then the lighest, since all you really need is concussion mitigation. Like when you need to change your girl(boy)friend's condom and you gotta fish the old one out of your asshole.
>>64810078>Concussion near other people is more of an issue than the loudness tbqhstrela bros we are so back
>>64810078Obviously talking about OG vs P and whether or not to go vis override. Chink NGALs gonna die some day right>its all about floodThere was still a lot of flood bro....it's cool, run your DF and I'll run my DF but I'm not embarrassed to admit the turbo rips
>>64809162I had those things
>>64810088Strela gang how are you celebrating the news with your biological females, even if they're dogs like for Alaska anon
>>64810070I think about the fact that bb will openly ask A2 a question and then insulting him when he responds. It's like watching Charlie Brown go for another kick of the football
>>64810097If youre happy with the chink ngal why not just keep a hot spare? If you care about maintaining zero and not having the thing randomly disintegrate why are you not considering higher end units?>>64810088>All of the cons of a suppressor>None of the prosNah those are still retarded>>64810084>since all you really need is concussion mitigationNah but it is a given with all cans
>>64810075556 without a can is comfy I don't even have to wear earpro. 556 unsuppressed is sonic boom tier aids
>>64810078Nta but then why not a strela, flaming pig, or the spikes one? A flash can with a cone has excellent flash mitigation and directs the concussive pressure forward. Im the first to admit i dont have very much experience with centerfire supressors but between shooting my buddys mk18 with a rc2 and my 16” ar’s i can tell virtually no difference in signature, only that i get gas form the mk18. My hearing is on par with an 100yo ww2 artillery man because i played in touring bands in my 20s and worked in a saw mill from a very young age until i was 20 so ymmv but thats my experience. I often consider getting a can or 3 for my guns but can never commit because i feel like ill have buyers remorse
>>64810124Often let your dog expose itself to your lead-laden gear?
>>64810130>556 without a can is comfy I don't even have to wear earpro. 556 unsuppressed is sonic boom tier aidsSchrodinger's 5.56 >>64810131Lol the one time I was legitimately surprised by the quiet tone of a 5.56 canned was a 14.5-16" rifle with a .308 can on it, can't remember which but it was beeg. Everything else was noticeable but without an unsurpressed rifle to compare it to you low-key forget the difference
>>64810097this gun could be cool if it wasn't for the fake ngal, chink optics, and retard brace
>>64810130>>64810140Meant to say 556 with a can is comfy
>>64810097even if you had a real ngal, stock, and good optic setup this rifle wouls still be reddit trash
>>64810131>Nta but then why not a strela, flaming pig, or the spikes one?Heavy, kicking up backpressure in operating system and not actually capturing the overpressure. Indoors they are still loud as shit regardless of the direction of travel. Flash hiding on those also not really all that excellent. There is a reason the flaming pig features a pig shooting fire out the front.>I can tell virtually no difference in signature>My hearing is completely blastedI mean you arent doing yourself any favors here with these but suppressed 5.56, especially at distance is drastically quieter and makes it even harder to PID. A can is just really nice as a whole. While not hearing safe, if you pop a seal on an earmuff accidentally you wont be immediately rung by shots. Indoors its wonderful as well.
>>64810124>None of the proswhat are you talking about? It significantly reduces concussion to the shooter and people next to the shooter. Is that not the "issue" being addressed?
>>64810173Go shoot one in a building, they are concussive as shit.
>>64810130>556 without a can is comfy I don't even have to wear earpro.THIS BUT UNIRONICALLY
>>64810173NTA but strela blast cans are not good. Giant fireball + loud. They basically do nothing at all
>>64810163> kicking up backpressure in operating systemThe amount of back pressure is literally 2-5% its almost nothing. Ive tested the strela and spikes on .22 and 5.56 of different lengths.I asked before and ill ask again, what can then for a 16” do you recommend then?
>>64810175so are K-suppressors. It's still significantly better than a normal flash hider or God forbid a brake. >>64810163the flaming pig is what happens on super short barrels (which is what noveske intended them used for). the KX-3/5 are grossly overbored (9mm) a properly designed "Bulgarian 4 piece" flash hider is a lot more effective, especially when using a longer (13"+) barrel.
>>64810175I've shot one in a building and it wasn't really much worse than anything else in an enclosed environment, what are you referring to?
>>64810191>The amount of back pressure is literally 2-5% its almost nothingNah, back in the day people used to use them to compensate for the lack of dwell time on SBRs before we had 11.5" guns and lo it worked great for that. Same reason the krink and ak105 have them and are very sluggish without them.>>64810195>so are K-suppressors.Nope, even a Sandman K on a 5.56 gun is going to do drastically more.>overboredTo avoid putting too much gas back in the system.
flash can obsession is fucking weird
>>64810195Which flash can is your favorite? How are they holding up?
>>64810189>giant fireballmayhaps
>>64810209>Nah, back in the day people used to use them to compensate for the lack of dwell time on SBRs before we had 11.5" guns and lo it worked great for that. Same reason the krink and ak105 have them and are very sluggish without them.Huh? >>64810211Dude you've been orbiting A2 for days
>>64810209>before we had 11.5s Ah yes the flash can craze of Vietnam before the development of the xm177e2 hmm yes
>>64810209Look at your mg3 booster or a krink booster and then a strela and get back to me. The strela is a shit booster
>>64810211The adoption of cans more or less made them irrelevant for anything but swarthoids attempting to tame their ARP. >>64810226>The strela is a shitFinally something we agree on
>>64810213Your cone is gaped to shit and they say dont use it on under a 14.5. Your cone is also probably dirty as fuck
>>64810224I still think it's weird that some leftard took over Big Boss's nametag and floods /arg/ with his homebrewed memes,nobody think thats weird? We just let it slide i suppose
>>64810237Can you answer the question on what can for a 16” or is that not happening?
>>64810219You have no idea who I am
>>64810238That was a brand new cone, not 14.5, and the cone was brand new. Retard lol>>64810242did you feel called out by the orbiter thing?
>>64810244By the grace of God may we keep it that way
>>64810247> That was a brand new cone, not 14.5, and the cone was brand new. Retard lolShieeet guilty as charged then
>>64810237Seriously what did you mean by "before we had 11.5" is this another spontaneous durability episode and you can't admit you're wrong?
>>64810256Yeah. My dirty worn cone performed much better. First one was ss and the new cone is regular steel
>>64810247>did you feel called out by the orbiter thing?Which? I just came into the thread
9/14/2016Literally 2016 posting here rn with my fucking flash can from my first ARP>>64809864>>64809872>>64809879>>64810003Just read the thread. Both myself and A2 were responding to Anon's question here:>>64809409A2 said NX8 1-8x and I said MPVOAlso we have been discussing MPVO vs LPVO for almost a year now. >2026>le heckin red dot bright 1x on my LPVO!
>>64810124Fake or not the ergos on the NGAL are shit and I can score a sentinel for 1800. Seems like a decent US made unit (not perfect but durable for sure). A lot of higher end options aren't worth it imo. Had several issues with wilcox, only other one that interests me is the MAWL...>>64810243RC2 Mini but even the fullsize RC2 is totally manageable as a passenger, and very quiet/nice to shoot. Only need to go shorter if you're DD. Favor heavier contour on your barrel no matter what size can you run
>>64810075>little less loudGet out and actually shoot you bot/tranny/faggot/noshoots idiotThere are SO many VERY impressive 5.56 cans these days. Hell my buddy has the Spiritus Vent 556i and that can isn't even in the top 5-10% and you can basically shoot without ears on a Mk18 no issues. >>64810084>loud regardless>shortest can first, then the lightestThis used to be my philosophy, ergo my 4.25" 9.8oz BT PrintX Mini 556 K with YHM Kurz Ti mount, picture related... But suppressor tech has evolved so much so quickly recently, even I would gladly take another ~1" (16-25% length increase) and 2-4oz (20-40%) weight increase to get the suppression performance gains that we're seeing from the current iteration of top performers, Rhodie 6, Exigent Defense, Tisha, etc etc. >>64810162Plus one updoot you can just tell
>>64810274>zco 2-10zco 2-10ya mum zco 2-10
I guess its as hard to get an answer on what muzzle device for a 16” ar-15 as it is to know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop
>>64810084Sorry now actually picture related>>64810163fwiw IMO obviously we're not at like hearing safe levels for high round count training sessions but my buddy's 5.56i Spiritus Vent on his 10.3" like you could easily break contact without ears and probably not suffer any more temporary auditory exclusion than you would going to a concert or something. We're getting pretty close, especially if you tune the whole system or build the rifle and can together. >>64810173>significantlyEhhh. Ehhhhhh. >>64810195This is ridiculous cope. >>64810209I need to paint mine yellow.
What do I do with this thing? I built it when I was 19 and I'm really out of love with the stupid aesthetic going on 5 years later, but that's not much a justification for fucking with it when it's more accurate than I am and has never had a single reliability hangup
>>64810278>Fake or not the ergos on the NGAL are shitIf you hate ngal/peq ergos go for the mawlIf you are just wanting a less falling apart the iris is really close to good thru shear monkey on typewriter at holosun>Durable for sureI dont think anyone has actually beat on those enough to make that assertion but the inclusion of MJF/SLS print parts do not inspire joy.>>64810298Strip paintRound handguardsCAR stock>>64810283Answer was already given. The lack of reading comprehension in the thread makes it impossible for people to find. Good luck!
>>64810279Best wuggy build so far
>>64810298Honestly you could buy stripped upper reciever and new gas block, then hand it to a gun smith and let him swap parts.
>>64810306At least im not a tranny fucking pedantic trust fund faggot. The silver spoons supposed to go in your mouth, not your ass homo
>>64810320you sound very mad
i dont get the lib boss x A2 beef. a2 fucks trannies, lib boss says trans rights. ???
>>64810298What >>64810306 said. Then do a gooseneck, a 45 degree offset rail, then a lam. We can fight the Cambodian special forces together.
>>64810326>gooseneckI'm still considering an ACOG. If I go through with all that I'll put the SOPMOD and rail to a non-meme SBR
>>64810322Why are you responding for him? Kinda weird
>>64810209>drastically moreI mean more, for sure, but how much more/at what cost/how much does this actually affect me is the question.Strela reduces concussion fairly significantly compared to a normal flash hider. Does a sandman k reduce it orders of magnitude more than that? Perhaps not quite so much. It's also longer, heavier and significantly more expensive than a bulgy flash can.Depends on use case like all things. >>64810212have the KX-3, strela and ghost ME. haven't tried the others. kx-3 isn't as effective for the earlier mentioned reasons so ghost or strela by default. functionally they are near identical. strela is a bit more expensive but the flash cone is a replaceable part (whereas it's integrated with the cap in the ghost).little over 2,000 rounds as of today. about 25% of that at uh a higher cadence of fire. surprisingly it hasn't eroded that much since I last checked about 1k rounds ago. being on a 16" barrel probably helps
>>64810306>hate ngal/peq ergosngal specifically, PEQ actually makes sense on some rails. It may have to be a MAWL. I'd almost prefer another M6TR over an IRIS but I'm honestly pretty impressed with the latter from what I've seen in person, and way less sketchy tbn. Just ugly
>>64810097>>64810124>>64810278>>64810306>>64810320I love my somogear PEQ-15
>>64810341There is no usecase for the 75% of the weight, length and size muzzle device that doesnt suppress the rifle. This isnt some soviet block state where cans are universally 30oz and 8" long where a compromise device starts to make sense. People are buying 10oz 4.1" suppressors on same week free tax stamps that completely render these devices obsolete for an even larger pool of users. Go put a smith vortex on the gun or a can, no reason for this fiddlefucking.Mil, LE and any other enduser unloaded flashcans a decade ago when serviceable suppressors became readily available. Nobody misses them.>>64810370If they were more waterproof they would be excusable with the shifting zero and bad controls. But as it stands they are kinda junk pal.
>>64809829Best post ittWow what a fun and friendly thread.To the anon asking about what can for a 16” i was thinking going with a velos k but i can never commit. Ive considered going the strela route too. I just care about flash under nods though so my priorities may not align with yours. This weekend i am going to sell my kr9 at a lgs and look at their cans
>>64810370
>>64810391lol i wonder how many retards those poor guys had to deal with for them to banner that.
>>64810382My eotech is delaming lmao>>64810370I like my m6trs. Kinda interested in the nee holosun kiji thing
>>64810348If you would just not have a FSB on the rifle the ngal would be a lot nicer.>Holosun uglyYeahNew DAGIR is super nice, great ergos and really well machined they really spared no expense on those.>>64810401Many such casesNew eotech suffers from same issue.
>>64810406Ngl i mainly bought the eotech so i could talk shit on them with some authority
>>64810382>There is no usecaseI don't think that's true though, there is plenty of use cases for a device 25% lighter/shorter and about 15% of the cost even if it's half as effective. it's still significantly better than a normal flash hider or brake. Agencies have a budget to use up and a dedicated armorer.
>>64810425People without cans and can experience ITT are advocating for the strela over cans. People with cans dont even remotely consider these things>Dedicated armorerDoes this change the physical characteristics or performance of these items? >>64810418Thats fair.
>>64810325it's all just theatre
>>64810382>"This is my neighbor A2. He is pain in my assholes. I buy guns, he buys expensive guns. I make mass posts, he makes mass posts. I buy chinese laser with good PCB potting for rain, he buys same laser and it breaks. Great Success!">>64810391>>64810400See pic rel and my anecdotal experience. >>64810401I will keep shilling Chinese lasers until L3Harris and Steiner sell lasers at Civ prices (which they wont)
>>64810440>schrodinger's PEQ
>>64810440Your turning into bigpeq>>64810425It's a good flash hider, that's about it
>>64810428>advocating for the strela over canswho is? I'm saying they have pros and cons, you seem to be misrepresenting that they don't do anything for controlling concussion which is simply untrue. >Does this change the physical characteristics or performance of these items?wut. I just mean cans are higher maintenance.
>>64810406>DAGIRLeaning V2 if I go that route wbu? it's a sweet unit for sure
Anyone ever taken a tactical course before?
>>64810470Yeah
>>64810280This would be awesome for my use case if it wasn't so long. I'm currently using a 1-6 that's the same length with a thermal and it's extremely tight on the top rail with a LAM. Pressure pad for the light does not fit, so I need to fit it somewhere non-ideal. An extra .5-1" off if they could have shaved it would have been fantastic.
>>64809235only real downside is the .2 mil clicks tho
>>64810428>People without cans and can experience ITT are advocating for the strela over cans.Did you not pick up that I was being sarcastic? No one's actually doing that ITT.
>>64809491Gotta take it easy before a competition so you don't injure yourself. Me, I'm always taking it easy therefore I'm always ready.
>>64810496Same, you ever see a lion exercise or stretch before he attacks a zebra?
>>64810467Definitely V2 for me, especially now the machining is less ugly than what they were first showing off.
>>64809927Wasn't a fan either. They're useless past 300 yards, the clarity just isn't there and the hashes cover most of the target at 400+. The disappearing bezel like the razor is neat and all but my guess is they get rode so hard because PA gives them out like candy to fluencers and everyone who makes the jump to one is coming from a holosun dot+mag or a Sig MSR lpvo and is of course blown away
>>64810501Lions dont attack zebras in the wild btw fun fact
>>64810479What does it usually involve? Is it worth it?
>>64810454>Your turning into bigpeqYou're God damn right I amhttps://files.catbox.moe/ti75nu.mp4
>>64810501Are you fuckin retarded?
>>64810517That's not true. They do, it's just exceedingly rare which IS WHY it's iconic. zebras are big muscular horses with razzle dazzle camo being taken down by a cunning megafauna.
>>64810440Keeek
>>64810517
Sladee
>>64810539Wrong I did my animal science thesis on this exact topic and got an A-.>>64810543>trust GOOGLE
>>64810470No
>>64810501male lions don't hunt they just chill at the crib. his bitches bring him food
>>64810560I saw a lion eating a zebra calf when i was doing engineering in burkina faso
>>64810560you're not wrong that it's infrequent and lions tend to simply steal kills off hyenas and other more productive hunters. But I am pretty sure despite being a low ratio lion still kill more of what they eat than "scavenge"
>>64810590Yeah they are predatory but also scavengers so they will go for the babies of anything.
>>64810590I really want to visit sub Saharan Africa and go shooting different places. Not hunting, I don't want to hurt animals, but I want to shoot fun and interesting guns. Even models I recognize but maybe from manufacturers I don't, or really old. Fun times
>>64810609Go to Mexico youll have better variety and probably a lesser % chance of having your head cut off.
>went from having one friend to 0 friends today Feels bad. Now I have nobody to talk to
Shi cuhgMy JAKL need narcan the way the stock keep folding, snipeSheeeit cug
>>64810668Go to minneapolis and throw your life away for the anti ICE cause
>>64809721>to wall post IRLThey don't pay those reps enough for that.
>>64809855That part made me think it was bait.
>>64810697Is that what you’ve been fantasizing about, kc? I can find a big strong ice agent to be a top for you.
>>64810726Couldn't be me. I don't get in any faggy arguments here, I took Pastebin's pledge to be nice
>>64810224yeah, actually
>>64810115I don't think he knows who you are.
>>64810750You sure you don’t want to get TOPPED on GRINDR by a big handsome and muscular ice agent? You can roleplay that you’re being deported back to your native country of Mexico.
>>64810762Nah I'm good, thanks anyways
Deport BB back to israel
>>64810782https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHSNZK4Je-Y
>>64810242Of course it's weird but he doubles down if you say anything to him.
>>64810647Probably the opposite is true
I hate suppressors actually >10.3" gun weight 10.2lb with can, 8.9 without I need to get rid of this RIS II rail, someone gimme mlok recs
bunni
>>64810844;>
>>64810779I’ll see if A2 will finger your asshole and let you toss his salad. He’s usually only into trannies but I’ll see if he’ll make an exception.
I had a Burris RT-3 and I upgarded to a Trijicon Credo SFP 1-6X for my general purpose SHTF rifle. It's a great optic but I am still wondering if I should have gotten an ACOG instead. It's lighter, smaller, more durable and not that much more expensive. I've never shot an ACOG before so I was a bit hesitant to drop that much money on something people are so divided on. Has anyone that has shot both of these optics before have an opinion. I'm still in the return window of the Credo so I can return it and get the ACOG if I want.
>>64810850Your obsession with Bibi is weird
>>64810842You know you want a dmt clone.
>>64810866Look, just because I hate women doesn't mean I'm gay, ok?
>>64810887He's trying to groom you.
I'm planning on getting my first AR soon, any recommendations for an AR newfag? I'd like to keep it under $1000 before accessories. So far I've been considering the IWI Zion-15, the Ruger Harrier, and the S&W M&P15 Sport III.
>>64810842You'll barely shave any weight off changing the handguard.
>>64810870why are you determined to buy trijishit when you could spend money on a good scope
>>64810892Just spend 200 more and get thishttps://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/358202/sb021/daniel-defense-ddm4-v7p-5.56-nato-semi-automatic-pistol
>>64810892Or get this if you don't want a short barrel pistolhttps://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/355463/webgbdd4mspvenom/daniel-defense-dd4v7-5.56mm-ambidextrous-rifle-with-mil-spec--finish,-18-inch-barrel-and-vortex-venom-scope-package
>>64810887You told fishy you got a blowjob in your car from a man
>>64810896Currently looking at a Centurion Arms rail>RIS II MK18 14.1oz>C4 M-LOK Rail 7.7ozAlthough yeah, since I'll buy rail covers which will reduce the saved weight even more
>>64810918Proofs?
KC is gay?!
>>64810919Exactly. Just lift.
>>64810871You won't do shit lil chuddie :>
>>64806674>go into SS kiosk to get prints for Form 1>have an extreme failure rate at the kiosk, but eventually get through it>find out after that they don't do .eft's. I can pay a non reusable $50 which is obviously a ripoff>go into UPS the next day with a printscan appointment>type my card details in, costs $70 for .eft>can't make it past step two basically because my prints are coming out black>UPS tech explains some people genetically have very dark prints and I'll have to go to it physically at the sheriffs office>so SS kiosk probably won't work anyways and it's not clear if I ever got charged $70 because the printscan call desk never picked upAm I retarded or does everyone have this difficultly? I've spent two evenings on this and don't really want to spend a third
>>64810933>chud
>>64810487Shorty mpvo's is the new hotness, watch
>>64810933Cool pic of your net worth i guess
>>64810762heh you're too slow!
K18i2 is the size of... ya mum dildo but very good piece of glass nothin like it
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>>64810726>big strong ice agent to be a top for you.I wish I was a minority....I used to fantasize about being in the holocaust and getting TOPPED by hot SS officers...Maybe ICE will start going after people with jewish blood soon..I wonder what kind of AR15s they would press against my skull while they pushed me to the ground and took advantage of me...
>>64810936The darkness is from oils/moisture. Wipe off the scanner and your fingers with alcohol wipes. Also dont press down too hard
>>64809409you should be investing in gold and silver right now, not guns and gearin case you haven't noticed, we're going to war within the next 3 years either with China, Russia, or even Denmarksociety isn't going to crumble, we've seen 3 American citizens get executed and people are still dancing and being performative instead of taking shit seriouslyjust focus on the economics of surviving right now
>>64811387>you should be investing in gold and silver right nowYou should have been investing in gold and silver years ago, you don't buy when it is at all time highs, might as well buy ammo instead, it will only go up in value
