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>>64815596
>.45 colt
Can be loaded much hotter with modern powders/guns and also used by cowboy shooters.

>.38 S&W
Still used as a service round in shitholes like India and the Phillipines while having also having a million old guns chambered in it floating around.

Smokeless powder allowed the .44 special and magnum to surpass its power while having more uniform and standardized dimensions.

>>64815596
it's completely mogged by .44 mag and modern .45LC isn't the same as historic .45 LC. I think some autists were still fucking around with .45 LC into the 50s and over loading it. The rim on modern .45lc is also completely different. colt made their lever action and pumps in .44-40 and not .45LC.
also .44-40 wasn't really that popular and was largely discontinued by WWII. IDK what the marlin sales numbers are but there were only like 750,000 1873s and 1,100,000 1892s and those are in multiple calibers, not just .44-40. There were over 7,500,000 1894 winchesters by the time olin bought winchester in the 1930s. .30-30 was just a way better round and .45lc basically only stayed around due to pistol shooters, larpers and retards who liked to make bubba's pissin' hot hand loads. idk when Winchester started making guns in .45lc, but marlin only started in 1989 due to cowboy action shooting. And again the 1873 was discontinued in like 1920 and the 1892 and marlin 1894 were both discontinued before or during WWII and a lot of the post 1934 1892s, what ever was left of them, were shipped out to plantations in brazil and shit and didn't go do American shooters

>>64815596
44-40 was obsolete the second smokeless powder was invented.

>>64815613
>Can be loaded much hotter with modern powders/guns
That applies just as much to .38 and .44-40.

>>64816450
And why didn't that extend to .38 S&W or .45 Colt, two other cartridges that were also black powder?

Fucking think before you type.

>>64815596
Is this the smallest bottleneck of any bottlenecked round?

>>64815596
Interestingly, 44-.40 was incredibly popular with men whose occupation was shooting other men. Very many contemporary lawmen and shootists praised 44-.40 as being an ideal manstopping cartridge, noting its more than satisfactory performance against humans, with good penetration through bone and causing nasty wounds in soft flesh. A standard load of 44-.40 fired a 180gr bullet at around 950fps out of a Colt revolver or comparable pistol. 75 years after the cartridge fell out of favor, a ballistically identical cartridge, .40 S&W, became the gold standard for law enforcement sidearms, and held that position for 30 years until agencies polarized into either "big bullet" .45ACP or "lots of bullets" 9mm groups and .40 fell out of favor. It is my belief that in 50-70 years, some "new" .40 caliber cartridge will be introduced, and every police force and agency will jump on the bandwagon.

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>>64816485
>.38 S&W
It sort of did. .38 S&W is super niche. Most people shoot .38 special instead (not the same thing).
>.45 Colt
.45 LC had thicker case walls capable of handling higher pressures, which allowed it to be transitioned into a smokeless powder cartridge. 45-70 held on by a thread for the same reason.
>Fucking think before you type.
Anon, the irony in this statement is wild. You have no self-awareness. Anyone who handloads bullets will tell you that 44-40 can't handle much higher pressures than what it was loaded for.

>>64816525
>Interestingly, 44-40 was incredibly popular with men whose occupation was shooting other men.
It was great during its time.
>held that position for 30 years until agencies polarized into either "big bullet" .45ACP
Let's be honest now, no agency switched from .40 to .45; they are too similar (terminal ballistics-wise), but .45 ACP is more expensive.

>>64816568
>Anyone who handloads bullets will tell you that 44-40 can't handle much higher pressures than what it was loaded for.
Why are these people ignorant of lathe-turned brass which can handle whatever pressure they please?

>>64816577
>I know, I'll just spend a fuckload more time and money on brass instead of using what is more common and available
You are the most retarded person on the board.

>>64816577
>Why are these people ignorant of lathe-turned brass which can handle whatever pressure they please?
Oh, by all means, prove them wrong. Before .44 Magnum existed, people liked to load .45 LC to near .44 Magnum levels for a "45-70 lite" cartridge. Why don't you load some .44-40 (maximum 11,000 psi SAAMI) shells to .44 Magnum levels (maximum 36,000 psi SAAMI) and shoot it in a lever gun? Please film it when you do so; /gif/ would love to see the aftermath in one of their gore threads; by now they've all seen the video of the lady who had a flashbang destroy her hand. Then again you'd have to buy a 44-40 gun and some handloading components, using the picture from 44-40's wikipedia article won't be enough to prove your point there.

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>>64816480
the fucking case walls thing the guy said. no one reloads .44-40 because the case is weird. people make bubba's pissin hot handloads with .45lc

>>64816525
>Interestingly, 44-40 was incredibly popular with men whose occupation was shooting other men.
it was supposed to be a hunting round, winchester cared about terminal effectiveness. I think either in the book or the film version of no country for old men, tommy lee jones's character mentions that his dad used to carry a .44-40 as a sheriff

>>64816633
>/gif/ would love to see the aftermath
loading .44-40 too high will make you have gay sex with a dozen black guys?

>>64816577
I am really getting sick of these bullshit, intentionally obtuse posts that have skyrocketed in frequency this week.

Fuck off.

>>64815596
How did .32 s&w long manage to cement itself as a precision shooting caliber?

>>64817042
I was talking about the gore and rekt threads they love, but that too. Without your dominant hand, you'll be much easier to be graped by basketball Americans.

>>64817311
have you been on /gif/? it's literally just gayporn and black dicks, which are also gay porn. you also get banned if you call out the fact it's just gay porn and black dicks. /b/ is also just gay porn and /soc/ is just gay porn

>>64817023
>the fucking case walls thing the guy said. no one reloads .44-40 because the case is weird.
Don't try to reason with him. After I mentioned case walls, he was determined to prove me wrong with his lathe-turned brass. We'll soon get a great video on how to not handload; I can't wait to see him blow up his own hand out of sheer pride and ignorance.

>>64817323
it was leaked a huge chunk of /gif/ activity is literal russian bot spam, especially the nigger porn

>>64817465
So (((THEY))) weren't the ones doing it. I always thought it was them constantly spamming tranny shit there. I owe my local kike an apology; despite the fact that he is a scat fetishist, he (apparently) wasn't one of the people ruining 4chan.

>>64817465
>>64817485
I'm pretty sure it's yuros, but either way it's an offsite group

>>64817465
Then it only got worse when they halved the amount of threads allowed up before they get bumped off the board.

>>64817520
yeah I guess they did that to save bandwidth or something but now all the gay porn gets bumped nonstop and everything else just dies

>>64817485
Everytime israel gets attacked, bbc spams stops for atleast 12 hours.

>>64817485
if not russian, then (judging from the twitter reveal) it's probably all indians and south americans

>>64820454
it's yuros. mostly eastern yuros but also dutch

>>64817251
by being accurate

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>>64815596
Because cartridges like .44 Special eclipsed it.

.44-40 Winchester was pretty much specialized for the Winchester rifles, the subtle and thin-walled bottleneck was done to improve obturation because blackpowder burns very filthy, so making sure much less gasses come back makes a very significant difference.
Works well in that context, but doesn't matter for revolvers, and especially doesn't matter for smokeless, and adds a certain fragile quality to the case which reloaders hate.

>>64816577
Nobody was lathe turning casings back in the old days, and virtually nobody is lathe turning casings today. You can go and find it, but it's niche as fuck because it's very expensive and completely unnecessary.

>>64815613
>>64816480
>>64817023
You need to address that casings changed, the style of case used for .45 Colt now is much more like .44 Special when it was new, rather than the thinner and much less strong case it was 100+ years ago. You straight up can't hotrod that sort of casing like you can the modern ones.
Updating .44-40's casing doesn't change that its neck has long since been made unnecessary, and that .44 Special, .44 Magnum, and modern .45 Colt does its thing better. If you update .44-40 to skip its weird case neck, what reason is there to pick it over other cartridges?

>>64822141
NTA, and unrelated, but you remember .41 Magnum? Now that was a good cartridge.

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>>64822376
.41 Magnum was a good idea, but I think it was let down by manufacturers not being willing to make an inbetween frame size for it, you look at something like an N-Frame, and it's a bit larger than the cartridge needs it to be, you could get a .45 or .44 in the same package and have more options for ammo and handloading.

I feel like 10mm Auto more or less eclipsed .41 Magnum to a large degree, because it manages to fit in that range between .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum for the high powered loads, and that .41 Magnum finds kind of a permanent but small niche for those who really want that exact balance of recoil and trajectory which you couldn't quite get with a .44

>>64815596
Unrelated to your question but why do people say 44-40 is a pain to reload? It was the first cartridge I ever reloaded, and I never ran into any problems with it.

>>64822440
>let down by manufacturers not being willing to make an inbetween frame size for it
true

>because it manages to fit in that range between .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum for the high powered loads
full power 10mm = full power .357

>>64822440
>.41 Magnum was a good idea, but I think it was let down by manufacturers not being willing to make an inbetween frame size for it
You are correct.

>>64822440
>I feel like 10mm Auto more or less eclipsed .41 Magnum to a large degree
I always felt it was eclipsed by the cartridge you mentioned earlier. 44 Special. Since the in-between frame didn't exist, people could just buy a .44 Magnum revolver and enjoy both .44 Magnum and .44 Special. 10mm auto is just too similar to .357 Magnum for me.

Really what killed 41 magnum was 44 magnum - it would fit into same frame size revolver. If we hand 6 shot L or 7 shot N, or equivalent, it could maybe limp along.

>>64820506
Its ziggers, kikes and coolies

>>64822474
>>64822482
10mm Auto easily matches .357 Magnum, but it can also be loaded to exceed it with the appropriate gun, and get you into the .41 Magnum realm.
Some people (the true 10mm Cultists) will insist it's almost a .44 Magnum, but that'd be a rather light .44 Magnum in that case.

>>64815691
Some boomer tried selling me an 1892 in .44-40 and got upset when I told him I wasn't interested in a caliber that was basically a wildcat.
>hurf durf that's not what a wildcat is...
Ok I know, but if I have to load my own ammo then it may as well be.

>>64824072
You can buy .44-40. it's not cheap but it is available online outside of panic for less than a buck a round. I think the thing that was weird to me is that .44-40 and .32-20 are both available at under a buck around. .218 bee and .25-20 are both available at a like $1.50 around
and then .38-40 is just straight up unobtanium for some reason. So idk why companies make all of the classic 1873/1892/preWWII marlin 1894 cartridges except for .38-40

>>64824106
Yeah, this was before the proliferation of online ammo sellers. Still though, if something is in a caliber I can't easily pick up at a gun store then it had better be either a collectible firearm, or do something that easily available calibers don't do.

>>64815613
india is not a shithole

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>>64824150
>yuro time
>yuro post

>>64822488
Fucking thank you, and dubs confirm. .41 Magnum is entirely pointless when light-loaded .44 Magnum or hotter .44 Special can achieve the exact same result.

>>64824072
.44-40 is potentially worse than a wildcat, because you can source new brass for it, but it's annoying to handload anyway.

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>>64823979
In comparison to .357 magnum, 10mm has less case capacity. This can be equalized if loading to SAAMI pressure limits, but CIP has the original 44k psi limit for the former while having a lower 33k limit for the latter. "In the appropriate gun" .357 magnum can dog walk 10mm, but both are criminally underserved by big big ammo manufacturers.

Neither, at any point, by any means, equal full power .41 Magnum. They both more-or-less equal police loadings of the .41 Magnum, which were intentionally underloaded to decrease recoil, muzzle blast, and over penetration.

>>64816577
You don't own guns. Stop posting.

>>64825059
>but both are criminally underserved by big big ammo manufacturers
That's most older high powered cartridges.

>They both more-or-less equal police loadings of the .41 Magnum
Pretty much, yeah, which is IMO still quite impressive for 10mm.

>>64823979
>and get you into the .41 Magnum realm.
.41 special*

>>64817311
there hasn't been a solid gore or rekt thread there in at least a year, hell, there hasn't even been a mid YLYL thread there in almost two. /wsg/ is far better about being, you know, QUALITY

not one post mentioning the heeled bullet? really?

>>64827987
Didnt stop .22lr

>>64828491
Because that's one of the many accepted flaws for the economy.

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>>64827987
.44 Winchester Centerfire never used a heeled bullet. In fact that’s kind of its whole schtick (well also being centerfire and having a thin case mouth that expands and seals the chamber against fouling backblast). It was the successor to the .44 Henry Rimfire just like the 1873 rifle was the successor to the 1866.

>>64815596
It became mainstream with 44 special/magnum rather.

>>64830137
And imbecile producers only releasing overbuild and overweight 44 Magnums is just greedy retards being greedy retards btw.

>>64830140
I am thinking of S&W 329PD as a platform for just regular (strong, that is) 44 special but the stuff isn't available for fingering anywhere near my place and they charge a bit too much for it to just order it without trying.

>>64824150
Right, it's a shitpile. Thanks for the correction.