The department has been trying to push us into enlisting, and have used some kind of legal power to force their way into our stations and target our new recruits. They're offering a third less pay then we already get, bans from being in the union, a job we can't quit, and they reserve the right to forcibly transfer us to UXO or submarine crew. Is there any benefit to being in a military fire crew,
You get to be useful and put out fires with the risk of dying to smoke.
As reservists or full time?Full time don't bother. Reservist life has its benefits.
If anything explosive is on fire, we don't even enter the exclusion zone unless lives are on the line. The property of someone who's incorrectly stored explosives is generally not out problem. But in the army, trying to fight fires around munitions and fuel, it's fairly suicidal. And that's not even considering whether the enemy was actively involved, try to put out fires while under attack. With drones that's more a serious consideration then in the past. And more then 700 US bases are heavily contaminated with PFAS, a kind of cancer causing fracking chemical they used to use in extinguishers. Crews usual just use water, but on-site kit often contained it. The army has spent more on PR since this was discovered then in actually cleaning up the mess.
>>64822587We have positive pressure respirators, if anything kills one of us it's suicide, stress, medical complication, and only 9th or 10th on the list comes anything directly related to fires. >>64822610They'll take either, but the thing about the reserves is that you're signing up to them drafting you in any war or crisis, for a pathetic $100 a week or whatever. By far the biggest yikes about the army offer was the prospect of being drafted in an emergency the department had fucked up long before you even got there, some Chernobyl type shit, or the prospect of being drafted into some unrelated role like UXO.Seems to me that you're signing your life away and not even getting a job out of it.
>The department has been trying to push us into enlistingWhat kind of fag job does this? Switch departments.
>forcibly transfer us to UXO or submarine crew. >submarine crew>2/3rds of your current payKEK
Wait, is this one of those deals where the army employs a tokenistic fire crew to do hazxhem and minor fuel spills for $19.23/hr, because it's a do-nothing job for their cronies. Then the second a shipping container full of munitions catches on fire they try to send us in as reservists? We get corporates trying to hire union guys on retainer to "direct" local crews like that. And they don't want union fire fighters going on strike when they store fuel and chemicals hap hazardly in the first place. Or 7 thousand used tires, or other flammable waste they don't want to pay to dispose of properly.
>>64822657Well the way I understand these transfers to work, they might be short term or relate to something like a ship in Port which caught fire. An emergency. Or a munitions fire. The highest risk work you could imagine, adjacent to specialists teams but not actually paid at that rate. Army hazchem is no joke, DoD has been dumping carcinogenic, radioactive and toxic waste for decades on their bases.
>>64822678Sure hope no one said yes and the person that came up with that idea gets forced to instead.
>>64822678Sounds like comfy gig>chilling in a port incase submarines goes on fireSpolier alert, they played fireman too. Most of time, the fire would already be out.
>>64822578You get super cancer from the really fucked stuff that tends to catch on fire in military settings.
>>64822578>>64822630>>64822657>The department has been trying to push us into enlistingthe problem is OP is in india or some other third-world shithole. no way this can happen in america.
>>64824722> no way this can happen in america.It’s coming if nothing changes. The boost to recruitment that Trump and Hegseth have been crowing about is actually a return to Iraq war surge level of waivers. Stop Loss probably starts next year, huge signup bonuses are probably next (signup bonuses and hiring literally everyone who applies is how they expanded ICE, it’s a tool Trump really likes).
>>64822613That's because PFAS is extremely hard to clean up unless you want to spend an astronomical amount of money on it. Also, don't be worried PFAS, PFOS, PFOA, etc. are in literally everything from water and dirt to clothes and food. You couldn't avoid it if you tried.>t. Chemist with colleagues in PFAS research
>>64824955Funnily enough, the biggest exposure point for people to them isn't what you'd think with the big scare around teflon pans, but is actually the heat print receipts that you get everywhere. They're also not as big a deal as people make them out to be.t. also a Chemist, but my friends were the PFOA researchers at the CDC
>>64824827>It’s coming if nothing changes. The boost to recruitment that Trump and Hegseth have been crowing about is actually aI am literally shaking right now.
>>64825008Yeah I remember them mentioning that it was in 3M products for decades, so it's pretty much everywhere now. I'm pretty sure the whole scare got kicked off from them detecting it in blood samples of people who were unrelated to the whole industry.
>>64824722Filipino firefighters are confirmed oper8rs tho
>>64822578What country are you in where the military is raiding fire stations for recruits? That's such a rock-fucking stupid idea that most nations won't even do it during wartime.
>>64824827Source?
>>64825008Thermal print receipts are BPA-sources, not PFAS, aren't they?
>>64826294Her research was into PFCs and she was the one who mentioned it to me, so I assume they're a PFC source, but it was a long time ago and my takeaway from it was to just always get a digital receipt for all that it matters.
>>64824827a lot of waivers are required now because MHS Genesis automatically disqualifies basically healthy candidates for med history that could have been swept under the rug a few years ago. Waivers have become very common due to this.
>>64822578>Is there any benefit to being in a military fire crew,What makes you think you'd be doing that? It sounds like they're just looking for cannon fodder.
>>64824722>try to get your collapsed buddy out of the fire>can't find him because he's perfectly camouflaged for the occassion
>>64824827>the army stopped rejecting people from infantry for saying they wanted to kill peoplebased
Thought I'd wandered into Russian four Chen but no it's all burgers talking about being forcibly drafted.Clown World
>>64827177>it's all burgerswut
>>64824827I think the hidden root cause is that the demographic profile of a typical recruit (18-25 male, high school educated, 1 enlistment), is shrinking. Both because of birth rates and changing norms. The world is different now, and for better or worse, the age of maturity is rising, and so is secondary education attainment.Incidentally, the USAF is the most amiable branch towards this shifting recruitment profile, and has the best numbers.It'll take decades, but we'll see a new military model across the world this century. Maybe something like the Limitanei of the late Roman empire. Basically, a lot of locally organized units which recruit and train in their own region and keep short deployments, with a smaller mobile component for readiness. The US has already leaned to this model with how the National Guard is deployed. The next step is shift away from part time and shortening the deployment cycle. As things change, this will be one of the few ways to retain a professional force, or else all the old heads will leave.The Ukraine War has shown a picture of this demographic problem: the typical fighters are 25-35, even older.
>>64830133I always find it funny that everyone talks about the fertility crisis but no one talks about restricting access to birth control pills. I mean seriously, what did people think was going to happen when they designed a drug to stop women from giving birth and then aggressively marketed it to every woman capable of giving birth?
>>64830195A reasonable government would just ban them.On the other hand, the number of women using the pill is smaller than you think. A bigger issue is that people (women-led, but men are included here too) are avoiding children for other reasons.For instance, something like 400k Japanese women use the pill, which means 98% or so of fertile women don't even use it.Even in the US, only about 15% of women use the pill (a percentage which is probably over counted). And a large chunk of those are prescribed by doctors for other health problems, not necessarily as contraceptives. The fertility crisis is spiritual. Nihilistic, hollowed out populace. Subverted and consumerist females. Emasculated men.
>>64830423Economic as well, when the choice is between "maybe give one kid a good youth and not ruin my career" vs "poverty for the whole family".
>>64824827dude they are rejectIng more waivers now then ever before, the officer pipeline has also never been more backed up which means they arent taking any new people unless you are perfect
