While I wait for this to enter the market, what's the best 9mm PCC for sale on the US market for under $1500? I'd get an MP5 clone but mags are literally like $50.
>>64823188>I'd get an MP5 clone but mags are literally like $50If you're complaining about mag prices, don't bother with a shitty clone in the first place.
>>64823188Why are you waiting for a random forgettable PCC to enter the market?>I'd get an MP5 clone but mags are literally like $50.Get a PSA AR-V. They make them with MP5-esque furniture at times, though these sell out quick when they get back in stock. They take scorpion mags which have multiple cheap and reliable manufacturers
>>64823188PCCs that aren't grip fed are worthless. No reason not to SBR if we're doing mag in front of the barrel. Only thing a PCC does well is minimize the size of the firearm which you do by making it grip fed.
>>64823188There's that Turkish AR9, the Derya ZY9. It's surprisingly good for the price. It also takes Glock mags. That or the PSA >>64823216
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Oh I also forgot about the GSG MP40 clone. Hkesque slap, foldable stock (very wobbly but it's supposed to be like that) and very low recoil. Generally less than $600. It's the most fun I've had with a gun in a while. It would be perfect with an FRT (like any PPC).
>>64823188Beretta CX4Takes Beretta 92 mags, the 30-round stendos are a bit expensive but still under 50 bucks. I seen some other brands for cheaper but don't know whether they'll chooch.
>>64823230low IQ post
>>64823188It's the P365 Raider. You can buy the parts for the 365 off Gunbroker, and the Raider can be had for less than $650. The only flaw with the Raider is that it takes a singular flashlight model: the TLR-7A. I'm just going to outright say it, Flux lies about the platform supporting multiple different Streamlights. I went through six different ones in an attempt to find something other than the A. Now why is that a problem? Because they don't make the A anymore, it was replaced with the X, and the X is ever so slightly too long. Now, theoretically, I suppose you could get someone to slice the front of the X a few millimeters down and it would fit, but I'd only even consider that if you cannot find an A. To be frank, you might not. I haven't checked eBay as of making this post but I remember when I went on this Odyssey that I spent a month buying lights listed as being A's from different stores, only to receive an X. All the while trying other models in vain. Flux also quietly confirms this to be the truth when you look at their photos of the Raider, they only (even on the plastic one that came out last year) use the TLR-7A. Now why use this? It's very manageable, it's genuinely small as shit and you can actually fit it basically anywhere (you can even IWB it, but this is really not advised because it feels awful and prints no matter your setup). It weighs significantly less than an MP5 does, and if you use SIM-X's absurdly light ammo, you'll shave a further half a pound off. Oh, and it has the advantage of barrel length as well. Most MP5 clones use a 4.6" barrel, you can fit a 6" (it's called the Big Black Barrel) onto the Raider and still come out lighter, and smaller in every dimension. If you're good with your money and patient, you can get everything I said (minus the light and of course a red dot) for less than the cheapest MP5 clone on the market and not have to worry about it sucking shit because the 365 is a fine pistol.
>>64823561>SIGGood morning saar
>>64823564Yes, yes, I also am Brown and post for Punjab provence. That doesn't change the fact that the 365 Raider is the best PCC on the market because it does what a PCC is meant to do the best. The 365 isn't it's retarded cousin, so you won't be causing riots just because someone held the thing.
>>64823188Bersa BAR9
>I want an MP5 but the mags are too 'spensive :(You were never getting an MP5, fuck off nigger.
MPA Defender is kinda shit but super fun and easy to bumpfire
>>64823561>this entire wall of AI text>doesn't even post a photo because he doesn't own oneHello saar
>>64825108Want to try again?
>>64825108>>64823561Also, you dumb fucking monkey, a fucking handgun with a shitty brace clipped onto it is not a PCC.
>>64825116I'll sit here and wait for you to enumerate the ways in which "a fucking handgun with a shitty brace clipped onto it" that is somehow empirically better than the MP5 is at being a PCC is not a PCC.
>>64825103instead of HK slap, you get trigger slap.
>>64823188>what's the best 9mm PCC for sale on the US market for under $1500?Probably the Stribog SP9A3 (Slovakian) or the Springfield Kuna (Croatian). They are very similar to what you are waiting for.>I'd get an MP5 clone but mags are literally like $50.PCC mags are not cheap.>64823230This post confirms that (((THEY))) have invaded this thread.>>64825121NTA, but the Flux Raider's shitty brace is too short and too flimsy, extended pistol mags will never be as good as actual SMG/PCC mags, tilting-barrel pistols can't handle pressure as well as delayed blowback guns can (maybe the person using the gun wants to shoot +p+ ammo), it has more recoil, tilting-barrel pistols struggle with suppressors (often needing a Nielsen device and the user to change some internals), and its shorter barrel gets less velocity than some PCCs.
>>64823188Got a Freedom Ordinance FX9, takes Glock mags. It’s fantastic for a PCC.
>>64825561>NTA, but the Flux Raider's shitty brace is too short and too flimsyNo offense, but you haven't shot the gun. I am a pretty average shot and I can put a full mag into the CNS of target at 15 yards without trying through my shitty Holosun. >extended pistol mags will never be as good as actual SMG/PCC magsAgain, anecdotal. Ask handgun general if they feel that, for some arbitrary reason, pistol mags (in the same caliber) are worse than a PCC's. You realize that magazine design is the key here, right? Not some magic that happens between the magazine and the gun. I am not trying to be rude, but it genuinely sounds like you don't own many guns. I'm not even using aftermarket mags. Have you never heard of people speaking on how certain guns have dogshit magazines or the only mags you should buy for a specific gun are from a particular brand? >tilting-barrel pistols can't handle pressure as well as delayed blowback guns can (maybe the person using the gun wants to shoot +p+ ammo)IDK man, I literally just told you I fire SIM-X ammo out of this thing with no problems. If you think pic related isn't +P+, IDK about that either.>tilting-barrel pistols struggle with suppressors (often needing a Nielsen device and the user to change some internals)Yeah, that can be a problem, but you can solve that. You'll never guess what I did. >and its shorter barrel gets less velocity than some PCCs.It does not have a shorter barrel. I don't know where you got that from. Mine has a 6" barrel that Flux literally sells on their website for this specific purpose. The MP5's standard barrel is 4.8", right? How is that larger? I don't understand your method of argumentation, it seems entirely baseless.
>>64823561>>64826187Nigga no one cares, holy fuck reel in that insecurity.
>>64826206You clearly do, and so do the people who keep trying to insist I am wrong without ever firing the thing.
>>64825624>$1000 blowback AR-9 with zero distinguishing featuresby what metric is it "fantastic" lmao retard
>>64826187Hello, guy you responded to here...>No offense, but you haven't shot the gun. I am a pretty average shot and I can put a full mag into the CNS of target at 15 yards without trying through my shitty Holosun.You might be illiterate. Find out what the word "flimsy" means and write another response. When they first came out, multiple people who bought one had their brace break.>You realize that magazine design is the key here, right? Not some magic that happens between the magazine and the gun.Correct, and as you increase the capacity of the mag, a tapered round like the 9mm works best from a curved mag, not those straight 30- and 40-rounders that they make for handguns.>Have you never heard of people speaking on how certain guns have dogshit magazines or the only mags you should buy for a specific gun are from a particular brand?I have, and the most reliable pistol mags are usually the standard capacity OEM mags.>I fire SIM-X ammo out of this thing with no problems. If you think pic related isn't +P+, IDK about that either.I'd have to do a bit more research on that brand, but from that pic and a cursory Google search, SIMX just seems like a generic light-for-load round. Nothing +p+ about it, they just use an extremely light bullet. You see, when people talk about +p and +p+, they are talking about the pressure produced.>Yeah, that can be a problem, but you can solve that. You'll never guess what I did.Got a Nielsen device and probably messed with the internals until it could reliably feed the ammo you mentioned. Keep in mind none of that would have been necessary with a PCC.>It does not have a shorter barrel. I don't know where you got that from. Mine has a 6" barrel that Flux literally sells on their website for this specific purpose. The MP5's standard barrel is 4.8", right?The original MP5 has an 8.86" (225 mm) barrel. You are 0-5 on your rebuttals; they all sucked.
>>64826187this shit is why you flux nigger are hated, you're like appletards and insist on how great you are
>>64826235I like the idea of the flux raider but as far as doctrine is concerned it's not really a PCC even if it seems similar. The idea with a PCC is that it's ultimately a full-size gun with a nice stock and forearm so it's easy to shoot, NOT just a handgun with extra bits stuck on it. The Flux Raider is more like a machine pistol, just missing full auto.
>>64823188>I'd get an MP5 clone but mags are literally like $50.Weak ass excuse sonny,>>64823561Come on, dude.
>>64826241>Find out what the word "flimsy" means and write another response.Yeah, flimsy in this case would indicate that the quality of the materials affects how well it shoots. That isn't the case here. Put a shitty $15 brace on your favorite AR and then put the stock you actually prefer and tell me which is going to do you better when firing. I am stating that the stock on the Raider is not flimsy. >not those straight 30- and 40-rounders that they make for handguns.And you can get 25 round OEM mags from Sig that feed without issue. The only mags larger than this are memes you would never seriously use specifically because, as you correctly point out: they aren't curved. If we're going to talk stupid, we may as well just throw around 50 round drum mags as serious contenders to use in your gun.>I have, and the most reliable pistol mags are usually the standard capacity OEM mags.In a lot of instances sure, but Mec-Gar exists. Their mags are almost universally better than any OEM, but you're going to pay more (usually). >You see, when people talk about +p and +p+, they are talking about the pressure produced.I see exactly what you're talking about, and they produce enough pressure to cycle my Flux, so.. clearly it's not a low pressure round. >Keep in mind none of that would have been necessary with a PCC.According to whomst? You can't pretend that some guns (be it a handgun, a PCC, a SBR, or a rifle) require fiddling with to make suppressors not cuck them. Boosters are even recommended on SBRs. >the originalIs Anon buying an original MP5? Because practically every single Turkish MP5 is using a barrel smaller than 6 inches. Even the SP5K uses a shorter barrel than my 365. So what're we really arguing here? That OP might go out of his way to build a very big gun in 9mm? If so, he would be better off with an SBR.
>>64826244Man, I spent more money on ammo this weekend than I did on this gun. I am just telling you my anecdotal experience about what the best PCC is. You are only throwing a fit because <brand>.
>>64826285>Because practically every single Turkish MP5 is using a barrel smaller than 6 inches. nigger what the fuck are you babbling about?
>>64823561
>>64826285>I am stating that the stock on the Raider is not flimsy.and you would be wrong.>you can get 25 round OEM mags from Sig that feed without issue.Go ask a middle schooler which number is bigger, 25 or 30. Go on.>Mec-Gar exists. Their mags are almost universally better than any OEMSure, their mags are great. It still has less capacity.>they produce enough pressure to cycle my Flux, so.. clearly it's not a low pressure round.Not high pressure either (which is what my first response was talking about, in case you forgot), which a delayed blowback gun would handle fine, but your flux wouldn't.>You can't pretend that some guns (be it a handgun, a PCC, a SBR, or a rifle) require fiddling with to make suppressors not cuck them. Boosters are even recommended on SBRs.Some guns do; however, in this case we were comparing the tilting-barrel actions (which do) that you are shilling vs. the delayed blowback actions (which do not) that the OP was interested in seeing as how both of the guns he mentioned are delayed blowback. A lot of rifles are direct impingement or piston guns, so they are different from delayed blowback.>practically every single Turkish MP5 is using a barrel smaller than 6 inches.Look at this Turkish AP5 with an 8.9" barrel...https://www.centuryarms.com/ap5-pistol.html... Zenith, HK, PTR, etc. all make MP5s with barrels that can give the cartridge more velocity.>Even the SP5KInstead of cherry-picking the "K" variant, you could have seen that they sell a non "K" variant.>So what're we really arguing here?Well, you wanted to shill the gun you based your personality on, and I gave some genuine reasons why other people would want to look elsewhere. That seemed to hurt your feelings enough to focus on me rather than the 5 people making fun of you.>If so, he would be better off with an SBR.He would be better off with a rifle, but that's not what he wants; a braced pistol doesn't seem to be what he wants either.
>>64823403WTF this one threw me off
I have been adequately bullied and will be getting an AP5 thanks fellas
>>64826445AP5SD is the way to go. A company out of Dallas called HSA putting them together. Or get a HK SP5 and SBR that shit. Or complain like a poor fag.
>>64823188OP and everyone else here is a poor fag. Just get an HK SP5 and SBR that shit. Laughs at poor fags with AR platform "PCCs".
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>>64823504Discontinued and, in my experience, hard to find
>>64826239Did you read OPs post? He wants an under $1500 pcc. That’s what I have. Just letting him know that he has lots of options. Just trying to be helpful. Sorry my post wasn’t up to your standards. Ya know it’s fucking douchebag losers like you who make this board insufferable.
>>64823188Op there are three pcc that you should actually looking into: >hk or b&ttoo pricy>stribogEither the full size 10mm or the S model 9mm. Do not SBR it. The tailhook mod1 or mod1c collapsible brace. The 9mm is more practical. It can be finicky. Use FMJ NATO, critical duty or TUI +P, and you will be fine. Enclosed emitter holosun, aimpoint of trijicon. Reptilla mount. Streamlight or SF light. Put a handstop of your choice on the front, mount the light on top. Buy a 16 inch messenger, or tool bag to carry it in. Whatever works better for you. Ignore all other advice.
>>64827423(you)
>>64827423>should actually lookingSarrrrrrrrrrrr
>>64823188Mora MP5 magazines can be had for $25-$30. They work like a charm.
Get a Ak-v it's really cool.
>>64827209(NTA) There are many better options in that price range. Frankly you overpaid for what you got.
>>64825561>PCC mags are not cheapScorpion Evo mags are. The gun itself is not exciting but reliable.
>>64830064>Scorpion Evo mags are.Yes, that is why everyone was buying a Springfield Kuna (to get a delayed blowback gun) and converting the lower with a Nexus Evo lower (to take Scorpion Evo mags) and an FRT/SS.
