Hi, humble retard here. Could a Super Tomcat have been a viable option for the US Navy instead of a Super Hornet?
>>64825925>viableThis gets into what you're after. The military doesn't care just about absolute performance but also the logistics aspects, how much maintenance something takes, specialized skills required, any parts commonality, fuel, etc etc. The Tomcat was a cool plane but also built for a pretty specific purpose vs Soviet bombers and that purpose became obsolete, and it was complex with a lot of unique parts which means unique maintenance. And it was costly so harder to get as many of them particularly with CW dying down and done. The Hornet did everything needed for less, more easily.It's not that if somehow they were forced to buy and use Tomcats it simply was impossible to use the plane for any missions but it was dumped for good reasons however iconic.
>>64825925Swing wing is just fundamentally maintenance-heavy and it reduces the amount of space for hardpoints.
>>64825925Would've been a waste of money. There simply isn't any mass bomber swarms out there anymore for a Tomcat-type to be intercepting. The US Navy altogether didn't need a pure air superiority platform anymore
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>>64825957Can Super Tomcat able to intercept Hypersonic meme missiles?
>>64825925Absolutely. It's range and payload was leagues ahead of the Super Hornet, and could have been more than a match against the Chinese Flankers. If it was upgraded that aligns it with the F-15EX it will fucking decimate the Temu stealth fighters with it's radar. Hell it could've been a perfect stopgap before the F/A-XX is fielded.But noooooo reality had to be a little bitch.
>>64825925no. the Tomcat was very intensive in maintenance.
>>64825925>designed for one purpose, and do it relatively okay>despite this, becomes a global icon through media>have legions of admirers and fanboys>who will defend your iconic status while others desacrate your "overrated" status>even though there are others that does your role much better>even though you are a maintenance nightmare>because of one mechanical feature that while at one point, was a needed feature, is your ultimate weakness as well>that being the rotary engine>be Mazda RX-7>pic unrelated
>>64826012It literally would have cheaper to have kept pumping out F-22s and they'd obliterate the Tomcat. Stop being retarded.
>>64825925Sorta? The biggest problem is that the F-14 was a big maintenance hog, being a big aircraft with Variable Geometry Wings. Using the Tomcat would mean less planes overall.
>>64826043Ok, but if we wanna make it even more of a maintenance nightmare, despite modern wiring and electronics, to give it the edge over the Raptor in dogefighting:>3d TVC nozzles>Indepedent swing wings>Auto-Thrust differentialAdd 9x-es and JHMCS for both crewmen (RIO can HOBS missiles while pilot does some of that pilot shit) and you have a monster.
>>64826032Top gun probably help push it to be an iconic symbol
>>64826032>Be Mazda RX-7I lol’d
>>64826043Compromising faggots like you are the reason military aesthetics are gay todayEat shit
>>64826032>Mazda RX-7I’M BURRRRRNIN UP FOR YOU I’M BURRRNIN UP FOR YOU. I BURN EVERY TIME I GET CLOSE TO YOU
>>64826052Nah, use some alien tech and turn it into this for a REAL maintenance nightmare.
>>64826062I'd love to give Northrop-Grumman a check with a sideways 8, with the caveat that Shojī Kawamori gets to be the head designer. I'd love to see what would be the final pricetag for even a VF-0 (which uses conventional, therefore real, engines).
>>64825925Yes. Don't listen to the Cheneytard hornetfags ITT. The bug is a shit frame for everything except being a cheap carrier capable bomb truck. The Tomcat only got retired because of chairforce meddling due to them seething about the navy possessing a better air superiority fighter than them. They actively buried examples of the tomcat defeating eagles, and even still it leaked enough the Japs almost dropped their f-15 order in favor of tomcats.You have to bolt on targeting pods, launch an AWACS, and provide an in air refuel just for a hornet to achieve the same things a tomcat could do in the 80s. And the Tomcat would still take off with more munitions and have more combat range and capabilities. You see the same shit about maintenance costs parroted all the time, but those people conveniently fail to mention everything else the hornet needs that quickly eclipses those cost. The F-35 might actually finally beat the tomcat out in capabilities and costs, but we're comparing airframes over half a century apart now.Ultimately the F-14 met its end and the super tomcat never materialized because Cheney answered to his cronies that were Grumman competitors.
I have no dog in this fight, but I'm gonna say the only people that say axing the tomcat was a mistake definitely enjoy softcore gay porn. Meanwhile bug fans like regular gay porn
>>64826087This desu
>>64826100The tomcat should still be flying missions and I only fap to tan tomboy childhood friend vanilla doujins.
>>64826109The kind of people that say shit like that need their drives checked. Only degens would openly talk about their fetishes, and having the most vanilla, socially acceptable fetishes only sets off more alarm bells. I know what kind of man you really are, brokeback mountaineer
they had it right the first time with F-111 carrier based.no BVR in 'Nam was just LBJ's treason.Ground hugging is the only stealth that works, and its what F-111 was designed to do.IIRC the aging F-111 was top tank killer in Iraq.Keep some F-8s around if you want dog fighters.
>>64826032RX-7 is great and rotary engines are great. You've just been lied by faggots and kikes.
>>64826032Had me going for a second there.
>>64826087>The Tomcat only got retired because retards wanted to stop any chance of parts smuggling to Iranian airforcefixed that for ya
>>64826058F-14 is gay and retarded. Fuck you. It's a fat pos maintenance queen and no amount of "muh aesthetics" and "SOVL" will change that
>>64825925it's not a super tomcat or super hornet debate, it's a super tomcat PLUS the a12 avenger or the super hornet debate.
>>64827141ENTER STEALTH PLANE MAINTENANCE
>>64825925>big ass jet>big ass radar>big ass missilesI think a modern day F-14EX would have been a perfect fit for the sort of war America expects against the Chinese.>>64826043Not carrier capable. Neither is F-15EX.
The Tomcat absolutely mauled Iraqi fighters (both french and soviet) in Iranian service. Its the proof that the idea of small cheap lightweight jets does not hold up in practice. In once case a disarmed Tomcat survived a 10+ minute dogfight against multiple Mig-23s at low altitude, so low that some of the Migs actually crashed into the ground. Afterwards the airframe had to be completely rebuilt because the Tomcat maneuvered so hard that the G-meter got stuck at 12G.
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>>64826011Yes. If it had been adapted, the Gunslinger missile would have been carried under the fuselage in place of Phoenix missiles.
>>64826046Knew a guy that was F-14 maintainer. He said the swing wings really didn't have that much work, just the canvas bags that sealed the gap where the wing swung into the fuselage. The real problem was the old electronics, rubbing wires causing shortages, (which every plane gets as they age) and leaks from the complex hydraulic control system. The Tomcat 21 would have had new avionics and a fly-by-wire control system which would have fixed that. Tomcats when new had better than a 90% availability rate.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX45ZC29WGYThere was even talk of adding vectoring thrust.
>>64827141Maybe from faggot land where you're from you low test piece of shit. How about write down a list why the F-14 "sucks" and shove it up your ass
>>64828672It's literally only famous because of softcore gay porn, there isn't a plane gayer despite them trying to pull the same move for the Shitfighter
>>64826032>that being the rotary engine>you were the chosen one!Oh, well. People forget, Beta Max was better than VHS.
>>64828936No it fucking wasn't and I'm going to drive a stake through the heart of the next midwit that peddles that bullshit. Betacam SP was not the Betamax the regular consumer got. And don't you DARE mention porn
>>64825925>viableWell I mean it's not like the Super Tomcat would have made the US lose Iraq and Afghanistan even worse than it did. The Super Tomcat does carry a lot more fuel, allowing it to be on station longer. Super Hornets were useless in Afghanistan because they didn't carry enough fuel to loiter. Ironic considering the Hornet/Super Hornet is supposed to be the plane fulfilling the Attacker role.
>>64827132>goes extinct
>>64827292Why are they wearing those chemical suits? Are stealth materials hazardous?
>>64830230I can't imagine RAM is something you really want to get covered in.
>>64825925Personally I think it's a cool looking plane, and thanks to Top Gun it's a cultural icon, but after flying it in DCS, and learning more about it, I can see why it was retired. It came about in the awkward time when digital computers, advanced aerodynamics and materials and turbofans got introduced, and it kind of contains the early iterations of those technologies before they got properly figured out.You can feel distinctive shortcomings compared to other teen series jets.
>>64830243dcs doesn't model the d model which has actual digital stuff, so 1. you're a pseud and 2. your hornet still can't fly & shoot as far as the tomcat
>>64826119>UH ACTUALLY BEING STRAIGHT MEANS YOU'RE GAYFantastic logic on display here.
>>64829623Yes, and? Being able to replace a $1 bulb in a headlight is also going extinct, doesn't mean it's bad or worse than a $1,500 unservicable chink led light stolen by a crackhead.
>>64825925It destroyed three Su-57s in Top Gun: Maverick.
>>64830230F-117 is so toxic its cheaper to keep em flying then dispose of them.
Even when you consider that the F-14 was a maintenance nightmare, it was also a deathtrap in comparison to the Super Hornet. Almost 1/4 of Tomcat airframes were lost due to mishaps. It’s an icon sure, but from the Navy’s perspective it’s no wonder when you factor everything in, they went with the Super Hornet instead.
>>64831857lol
