Why did it take so long before companies started making rifled shotguns? Twenty years ago about 1/3rd of all hunters lived in shotgun only zones/states. The original Ithaca deerslayers of LAPD and Hollywood fame aren't rifled. They're just made to tighter tolerances and have open rifle sights. I'm pretty sure the first rifled Ithaca deerslayers are the model 2s in the late 80s or early 90s. That's probably in part why the LAPD was fine with the deerslayers. Since they were smoothe bore you could still use them for buckshot and shit but they had rifled sights
>>64830534Because rifled slugs are good enuf.
I'm not sure what you mean. There is nothing new about the idea of rifled shotguns. Picrel is from the late 1800's, these "ball and shot" guns were super popular and all the big name makers of the time had them.Before then, in the black powder era, rifles existed in "gauges" or "bores" just like a shotgun. Ever wonder why so many old rifles have a bore of .577, which seems like a really strange number for someone to pick? Those are 24-gauge.
>>64830534Companies have been selling rifled barrels with cantilever mounts for decades
>>64830564Aren't the chokes the only rifled part of the paradox guns? And I didn't know that about .577 bore
>>64830624yeah, decades starting in the late 80s/early 90s. that's why it's weird that no one thought it was an issue earlier
>>64830534>what is a choke
>>64830638I don't think most people were using paradox chokes
>>64830625>Aren't the chokes the only rifled part of the paradox guns?Correct. They made fully-rifled guns too, they were just called rifles (or double rifles if they had two barrels) even though they looked like a shotgun.>>64830628>decades starting in the late 80s/early 90sIt started long before then. Picrel is from the early 1960's.
>>64830647Why would we trust your opinion? It's clearly wrong, and it's also obvious you can't be bothered to do even basic research.
>>64830671the first model deerslayers don't have rifled barrels. They didn't start rifling them until the deerslayer II. The gun is just tighter with rifle sights https://shoot-on.com/profiles-in-firearms-ithaca-37-deerslayer/>>64830675source on paradox chokes being popular, yuronogunz
>>64830688>source on paradox chokes being popular,The fact that everybody copied the design as soon as the legally could. Holland & Holland made the Paradox originally, since they were the first to license Fosberry's patent. As soon as that expired all the other big makers jumped on the bandwagon and made their own "ball and shot" guns. Westley Richards had the Explora and the Fauneta, Charles Lancaster called theirs the "Colindian", etc. Today lots of people call removable rifled chokes a "paradox choke", the same way people call any sort of photocopy a "Xerox".
>>64830709that's not proof they were in common use on American hunting guns
>>64830722So now you want to move the goalposts from "did they exist at all" to "how common they were in the American hunting scene"? Why didn't you ask that in the first place?
>>64830747I did, the op post literally talks about American hunting laws and American guns
>>64830534The 1968 National Firearms Act outlawed rifles over .60 caliber unless they were made before 1890. Not replica - actually made before 1890. For some reason all on their own the BATF chose not to enforce that on rifled 12 gauges arguing that is wasn't a hard heavy rifle like a single shot autocannon would be. They didn't want stuff capable of hurling an explosive projectile 10 miles in unlicensed civilian hands. Rifled 12 was allowed to proceed.
>>64831436I wonder why they changed their mind? technically if you read the DD statute all 12 gauges are DDs but that doesn't get enforced because muh sporting purposes
>>64830534because rifled shotguns use sabot slugs which weren't very viable before plastic went mainstream in the 50srifled slugs were already common use by then and there was no push to develop an alternative any faster>>64831492its hard to hunt pheasant with 30-06 and the ruling class enjoys their sport
>>64831744that plastic thing makes sense. thanks
>>64830534>Why did it take so long before companies started making rifled shotguns?Because rifled shotguns that are only used for shooting slugs are called rifles dear retard-kun. It's in the name, shotgun, a gun that shoots shot.
>>64833699rifled shotgun slug guns are still called and considered shotguns, retardo. multiple companies refer to them as shotguns and they are legally shotguns in the US. I think japan is the only place that considers them rifles
