Would it be possible to weaponize or otherwise militarize cruise ships of today, just like back in the day with ocean liners?
>>64830769No. They didn't weaponize ocean liners either, they pressed them into service as troop transports and hospital ships. If you're too stupid to tell the difference you're too stupid to understand why it would be a bad idea even if they could.
>>64830965They are a big ship, remove pool and casino for mounting 500cm cannon. Cruise ship should be regulated same as warship, USA can press cruise ship into battleship at moment to antagonize China.
>>64831107>USA can press cruise ship into battleshipThe USA has ZERO flagged cruise ships, idiot.
>>64831119Aggressive NATO alliance flag ship for USA
>>64830769Nah, steel is cheap, it's the systems that are as expensive as fuck. It might actually be cheaper to design and build a fresh warship than retrofit merchant shipping into something worth fighting with. >>64830965This. They'll be used as transports. Look at what happened in the Falklands. Container ship used for moving supplies down there (and as an unwitting carrier decoy), cruise ships used to transport troops.
>>64831119And the ability to register ships under flags-of-convenience can be removed by passing a law, double idiot. Legal fictions only exist so long as you let them.
>>64830965>They didn't weaponize ocean liners eitherCunard ships prior to WWI were built with reinforced mounting locations for gun so that the ships could be used as "auxiliary cruisers". Carmania was so outfitted for WWI and used in patrols in the Atlantic where she met the German Cap Trafalgar which was also armed but far more haphazardly while out on patrol. the Trafalgar had oddly enough be disguised to look as much as possible like the Carmania as the Carmania was the closest physical match. They beat the shit out of each other and basically proved why liners were useless in an armed role. picrel
>>64830769Ocean liners were really big ships that went really really fast.Cruise ships are hotels that can move.Do you need a barrack block that moves.
High-speed ships like those that competed for the Blue Riband could reach cruising speeds that made them almost impossible for U-boats to catch, making them highly valued as troop transports that could even sail independently.Their ample passageways and air conditioning made them vulnerable to fire, so they probably shouldn't have been deployed in combat.
Pls bring back q-ships.
>>64830769>>64830965>>64831142You could absolutely bolt a shitload of basic standalone Harpoon Missile launchers onto it if you absolutely had to turn a cruise ship into a weapon cheaply and quickly. Sure it's hard to concoct a scenario where that's something you need to do, but as a hypothetical that would definitely be possible.
>>64830769Name one ocean liner that was weaponized "back in the day".
>>64830769only for perfidious purposes.>>64833134RMS Lusitania
>>64833376That was civilian liner that may or may not transported war contraband.You have to look on something like SMS Cap Trafalgar or RMS Carmania for "ocean liner that was weaponized" you dumb fuck>When war was declared the Admiralty issued orders for nine liners, including Mauretania and Lusitania to be taken up as armed merchant cruisers. However, the large Cunard liners were soon released, due to their large fuel costs relative to their usefulness and a shortage of guns. They were thus never armed or commissioned.
>>64830965The Russians did it a lot against the japs. It didn't work out very well for them, but they did it. Newfag.
>>64831107>500cm cannonhow exactly are you going to mount a gun twelve times the size of a 16 incher on an ocean liner?
>>64830769Pack it full of explosives, sail it into (soon to be enemy) port that also has a naval base, and assplode the ship as near as you can to the docked ships/dockyard facilities/fuel dumps. This strategy is quite old. See: fireships.
>>64833430annon that's 40cm, he's talking about 500cmhe isn't talking a full 16 feet gun
>>64831152> flags-of-convenience can be removed by passing a law>Legal fictions only exist so long as you let themcongrats annon you've debunked your own argument you can't force a ship to take up your flag because it can sail anywhere and take up anyone's flag. passing a law won't change that, the legal fiction you are talking about is your own proposed law
>>64831107>500cm cannon
>>64833498Are you retarded
>>64831107>500 mmdude the yamato's main guns were 476 mm and they were the biggest naval cannons in history>500 cma 5 mt bore is more fit for a 40k warship
>>64831107>500cm cannon>when the largest naval gun ever used was a 46cm gun used on the musashi and yamatoKek. I can see the converted ship rip itself apart firing a 500cm gun. Assuming it can even float and load that thing in the first place.
>>64833503And all the corporations or individuals who actually own those ships will sail there too, and take all their money out of US banks when they go? Oh man, if only we had some legal mechanism to freeze assets that we routinely use all the time against people who are overseas, often against assets that aren't even kept in the US>haha secondary sanctions go brrrrrrrrrrr
>>64831119https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_of_America
>>64830769The only thing you could have done is turn them into secret q-ship.Back in time it was easy because submarine could hardly hit you and anti-submarine warfare consisted in hearing, dropping bomb, killing what come up.Nowadays, all those ship would be good for is carrying stuff and there's better ship to do that.And hiding missiles in ship containers would only work during a first strike and make every civilian ship into legit target.You are better looking into hybrid warfare.
>>64834268>ll the corporations or individuals who actually own those ships will sail there toothe US owns 0.2% of global shipping, most of it already flagged in the US due to the Johnes Act.what you are proposing is asset seizure of foreign citizens in the US. that's gonna go over great, no long legal battles, no retaliatory actions by foreign governments, no other foreigners taking all their capital out of the US in fear that they will be targeted next.also for those ship owners their fleet is their main, productive asset. why would they reflag those when they know the goal is to draft them into the USN.that's just stupid, here let me give you my business so you can nationalize it and drive it into the ground for free. when I can just sail it over the anywhere else in the world and keep it.
>>64831119>The USA has ZERO flagged cruise ships, idiot.Doesn't stop us from stealing them.
>>64834395Don't say that out loud, Trump might hear you.
>>64834395Anon, the 42,000 inhabitants of the Marshall Islands don't actually own 223 megatons of merchant ships, and the 24% share of the world's GDP we sometimes call the United States of America owns more than the 0.2% of global shipping that's registered as part of the US Merchant Marine in order to be legally able to carry goods from one American port to another under the Jones Act.Legal fictions are fictions, and flags of convenience are just that.
>>64831154>liners were useless in an armed roleHMAS Sydney would beg to differ.
>>64830769Not really but you can use them as troop transport or floating hospitals. Cargo container ships on the other hands are very easy to militarize. Just design any missile launch system that fit into shipping containers and you get a missile arsenal ship. Improve the radars and maybe attach 4 C-rams. They work with a small crew and can go quite fast if loaded with a couple of hundred missiles as normally they carry much heavier cargo and sail slow to maximize fuel efficiency. But giving it full power with low weight should work well.Also they are very cheap and very available.
>>64834433half the shipping (expressed in dollars) the US entities own are cruise ships.Maersk owns more than every non cruise ship the US owns combined. So do the Greeks, the Japs, Brits, worst gooks, the Singaporeans and the Swiss and lets not even get started on the Chinese.as it turns out having laws that gimps your competitiveness in order to protect US commercial shipbuilding. has indeed killed US shipbuilding and ownership.
>>64831107>500cm cannonDo it casemate style. The entire ship has to turn to fire the monster, but boy will that boom be enough to make every /k/ommando within a 50 mile radius cream their pants. (and shatter eardrums)
>>64834595Here, your (very rough) 500mm Arleigh Burke
>>64834741500cm^
>>64834741great, it will also be able to avoid return fire by temporarily (or permanently) turning itself into a submarine after every shot.
>>64834741Is pic related the reloading mechanism?
>>64834754It will be able to evade fire by temporarily going 300knots in reverse.
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>>64834788where Saddam?
>>64834772call it the U.S.S Lobster.it's motto will be WOOPWOOPWOOPWOOPWOOPWOOPWOOPhttps://youtu.be/NJCKuZkRvaI
>>64834794Being loaded into the cannon.
The fate of Britannic makes me sad. Olympic was able to thrive, Titanic went down, Britannic was supposed to learn from all those lessons and be the best of her sisters. Both in safety and in comfort. Then she meets her fate and is barely a newspaper blurb because of all the other horrors occurring in the world. At least her wreck remains in good condition and divers have been capturing some incredible views.
>>64834825muzzle-load about 30 corpses into it and fire, it will serve as a nice impromptu flesh screen, and the iron in the blood will help it function as chaff as well.
>>64834741>>64834788Perfect. Christen it the USS Seventh Trump-et and the Navy will have concept art for it within the week.>be PO3 Anon aboard this floating fuck you to seakeeping and common sense>off-watch, on your bunk trying to jack it to the same doujin for the fifth time this month>suddenly a shrill alarm sounds throughout the ship, seven short bells in quick succession, then a terrified voice over the 1MC>ALL HANDS, PREPARE TO FIRE>sheer reflex is what saves your ears as you drop your cock and don the earpro that is mandated to be on your person at all times, closing your eyes in a futile effort to brace yourself>Oh shi->the world is swallowed whole by the sound of the cannon rending open the fabric of space and time, and tearing a few more years from your life >for an eternal moment you hang in the air, weightless, as the entire ship abaft the beam sinks below the water before recovering just as quickly>then the crash back onto your bunk, the jolt bringing back every ache you've ever accrued from being part of the chain-gangs for the 50-ton shells.>suddenly, you feel wet>you open your eyes, fearing the worst>the pancit noodles your Filipino bunkmate was in the middle of making are all over you now>phew>continue masturbating
>>64834855i would have had a lot more respect for trump if he actually displayed >>64834788on a powerpoint, this new class of "battleships" he wants to field are pathetic by comparison.
>>64834741>>64834788>>64834798>>64834855quality thread, put me in the screencap.
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>>64834855Don't suppose anyone has done the maths on how much what essentially would be a 197inch naval shell would weigh and how much force it would land with on impact?
>>64834979Probably not but it would be heavy as fuckJust for comparison4 inch shell - 33 lb (15 kg)8 inch shell - 335 lb (152 kg)16 inch shell - 2,700 lb (1,225 kg)31 inch shell - 15,700 lb (7,100 kg)
>>64830965>they didn't weaponize ocean liners eitherYou are dumbhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_merchantman#Armed_merchant_cruisershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Cap_Trafalgarhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Carmania_(1905)
>>64834979following the scaling formula of existing naval gun shells, a 197 inch AP shell would be about 2,300 tons and contain about 50 tons of HEFor reference, the 1939 Yukikaze class destroyer of 120m x 11m was about 2,500 tons
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>>64835032Christ you could not only kill a god with that but tear a whole into the fabric of reality.
>>64835032I'm trying to imagine a recoil system. Because you must decide it's worth doing (a bit) more damage to the enemy than you're doing to your own ship. That is going to be some keel-breaking force.
>>64835018>>64830965The famous Lusitania was carrying millions of rounds of ammo and they lied for over a century claiming it was just a passenger ship. Cruise ships are legitimate military targets, especially Carnival Cruises.
>>64834741We would had been able to end the Houthi threat if we had these.
>>64834855>trying to jack it to the same doujin for the fifth time this month(The date is June 2nd)
>>64835277So it was civilian ocean liner transporting war contraband, not weaponized ocean liner.I already mentioned examples of armed ocean liners.
>>64830769Easier to use smaller freight vessels, just load one up with fertilizer and sail that shit into an enemy port to Halifax the shit out of it
>>64834461Not sure are you lying kike or just retard. Machine gunning lifeboats and survivors in water is mostly jewish habit, see USS Liberty. Survivors weren't machine gunned. Kormorran was pretty far away from Sydney when it finally sank, it was burning in the horizon at that point. At least one survivor made it to life rafts, he washed ashore pretty rotten few months later in Christmas Island while wearing Australian navy uniform, buried there, exhumed in 2005 and was identified from DNA in 2021.
>>64835281Yemen would become an island.
>>64836229It happened. Japan did that a lot, saving people to execute them later was also a favourite.
>>64830769maybe for signals interception or oceanography. lots of room for equipment and plenty of spare power generation.but you'd not want to broadcast much or do any active scanning least your ruse wear thin.however roll stability and station keeping are a bit weak on cruse ships, you'd have to remove a lot of weight from the upper decks to make the ship more useful.>give the ship an extra funnel and hide a Vertical launching system underneath
>>64836283>It happened.You are the one making extraordinary claims. Do you have any extraordinary evidence to back it up? I suspect you don't have anything other than 'muh feels.I'm pretty sure Bismark stopped to rape to death hundreds of survivors from HMS Hood. Or alternatively just half dozen disgusting beady eyed anglos made it water and half of them froze stiff, a downside of being cold blooded killer. That cold blood can occasionally get too damn cold in North Atlantic.There is plenty of warships lost with all hands.
>>64836358>I'm pretty sure Bismark stopped to rape to death hundreds of survivors from HMS Hood.Probably be the next claim in a Lazerpig video.
>>64830769Back then yeah but not in this day in age as most cruise ships are meant for vacation sure they could store supplies but they're civilian ships
>>64836358Oh it happened. Fortunately most of the people that commanded it never made it to the courts.
>>64835257>recoil systemthe water the ship is on is the recoil system.
>>64836427>x happened in y case>is there any proof that x happened in y case>no there isn't but x definitely happened in general >do you have any proof of x happening in general>no there isn't but it certainly did happen but no one has bothered to look for proof of it happening
>>64836487Go look yourself slanteyes it's your people that deny it.
>>64836510>make a claim about the germans >but the japs did it!>doesn't even post proof the japs did it
