Abandoned prototypes, napkin drawings, states that are long-gone, does it not fascinate anyone else? Usually these stay as drawings because they are a bit odd and unconventional, a means to break some stalemate or design paradgim (which gets solved by some conventional method that is cheaper). Still, they can be a bit off-the-wall which i do like.pic rel
Just think about it... there could be some prototype lying around in a garage or a hangar or a garbage pile somewhere, remaining dead until discovered and brought back to life. Like a archaeologist digging up dinosaur bones, likewise people out there find oddities in the most weird of places.
To think off the wall one has to apply oneself a bit more than the conventional ways. Does it always succeed? No. But it does provide funny stuff for us to later prod and dissect blueprints and documents.
Look at this wacky lil thing. Zany innit.
This thing burns coal dust as fuel.
People forgot about a test vehicle pic rel and it got lost for a few decades until someone found it in a bush.
This plane is very big.
This is a rocket bazooka which functions exactly how the pic depicts it as.
Wicked.
>>64855629A self flying spaceplane that on its first flight decides to circle and land from the other end of the runway is an epic way to start out. It's a pity we won't see the like again.
VLS-cells in a APC? Yes please!
>>64855647I feel they have severely underestimated how much of a zeppelin's interior volume is just gas.
>>64855649A real "what could have been". I hope the buran in the kosmodrone hangar is still intact.... It belongs in a museum.
Crew ergonomics.
Assault u-boat, works about as well as you'd expect.
Would they have been any good?
>>64855674French plans for the 40's are interesthing. This is more a interwar thing but regardless. They had a pic rel prototype going before the germans invaded, or what was supposed to become pic rel later. I'll see if i can find a pic.
>>64855647>Kirov reporting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiEbNi-7Gpg
>>64855738Submarine..... plane?
>>64855651yes
>>64855749think about ityou can sneak right up to enemy ships/coastline and then attack them from the air! Or smuggle in commandos and they won't see you coming because they won't see your plane coming from outside of their borders!
>>64855646The army was very into this repeating bazooka thing.This one got closer to primetime with some 1000 or so made. may have seen experimental use in Korea but probably not.Fragility, and the army realizing they didn't actually like the thing they asked for ended up doing it and just preferred recoiless rifles.
>>64855626Is that two 6TD engines?
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>>64855790Imagine this mounted on a heavy IFV with a 12 round magazine
>>64855632I'd like to think it goes CHOP CHOP ZHWING as it cuts up enemy fighters like a snapping turtle.
>>64855660that could have easily worked in ww2. I can't imagine the axis didn't produce an amphibious assault submarine.
>>64856447>One landing ships worth of shit>with no naval support and 3 planes that can't be recovered>for the price of a giant sub + tip (cargo and troops is extra)>easily workedAnon is retarded
>>64855655Hasn't the roof caved in?
>>64855848For all intents and purposes that's literally what BMP-1's Grom was and it sucked
>>64856404Wow what an unholy combination of a F-8 and an F-16.
>>64856466>>64855655Ye, it's completely destroyed, they let the hangar rot
>>64856447>>64856462The pressure vessel required would've been humongous, far bigger than anything previously attempted. Possible landing sites would've also been extremely limited, there's barely any places where you could possibly unload this thing, it'd basically require a harbor with a crane.
>>64855655This wasn't any real project, just some model builders kitbash...>>64855739I like the Long Beach style superstructure.
>>64855632The Zenit flyback booster should have been flown. Damn shame it didn't.
>>64855655>Hell march starts playing
>>64855624I swear I had a MicroMachine of this when I was a lad
>>64855624You don’t understand what kind of spiritual damage it does to my soul the fact this was never made, God it would of been bitching to see this rape Migs over Vietnam and Indonesia
>>64855624>anybody else fascinated by "what could have been"Uh yeah, literally everyone. This board is full of vaporware speculation and nostalgia.
>>64855674>>64855672>Would they have been any good?Probably not. The Normandies came a year after the QE's and at around the same time as the Bayerns, and were markedly inferior to both. They were designed for a designed battle range of ~10,000 meters, and the fire control system was inadequate, even for the time. Although that could be fixed with a hypothetical 20s-30s rebuild, the armor scheme is uniquely difficult to modernize.I have seen people throwing around the possibility of switching the quadruple 34cms for twin 45cms (the Mle. 1920 gun) or 40cm (hypothetical gun), and indeed the barbette seems to fit (based on a crude estimation I made in Blender), but I have never found any official document referencing this idea, so I think it's fake.
>>64855685Panhard 201 / AM 40P. The bizarre oblique turret is amazing.
>>64856490the Axis needed desperately transport submarines. See the interest Germany had for the Romolo class in 1943.While you are building a transport submarine why not giving it amphibious assault capabilities ? A small fleet of these submarines departing from Rhodes and landing troops around Port Said in the summer of 1940 would have been kino.
>>64856989>Port SaidLet alone the possibility of capturing the Tangier International Zone before the Spaniards could occupy it. That alone would have blocked the access to the Mediterranean. I can't imagine of doing it without troops and materiels coming out from transport submarines.
Rocket/turbojet hybrids were all the rage in the 50's.
>>64856471Would that make an f12 or an f24?
>>64855641Umm... which way is forward?>>64855655Mi-56, NATO codename "Huh?">>64855651>VLS-cells in a APCWhy not? It's basically like a mortar vehicle.
>>64856944Gaijin, when?
>>64855738Keltec would be proud of this shit
>>64857094Why didn't it take off (hehehe)? Fast acceleration for a quick interception, cruise with the jet afterwards.
If the US Army picked en-bloc over dump loading in 1892: the Timeline-191 “Springfield”.
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>>64861558Well, it actually did fly to mach 1.97 and reached an altitude of 26 km / 85 000 feet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFclGYU-UYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-s34Se0XmM You have to keep in mind that the rocket/turbojet SNCASO trident was part of a tough 1950´s unofficial competition for the role of french interceptor together with the turbojet/ramjet NORD Griffon II and the Afterburning turbojet/rocket Mirage III...
>>64862393https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXkY3PejRNghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4s8QjXKSgEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1TTcjaypZQAs you can probably figure out by now, the Mirage III won the competition. Even though it couldn't climb as quickly as the trident, or go as fast as the griffon II (which set a speed record of mach 2.19 in a straight line, and 1653 km/h in a 100 km closed course), it won out because it had better range than both of them (rockets and ramjets are extremely fuel hungry at low speeds), it had much better low speed handling (outurns the trident, outrates the griffon II since the ramjet only starts working at supersonic speeds), and was overall judged to be more versatile and dependable.
>>64862432Still, that doesn't mean the other 2 concepts also didn't have their merits, and were really impressive achievements for the time and technology available. Too bad the improvement in SAMs and AAMs spoiled the fun in the interceptor field...
>>64855634>tfw when I left my paper plane in the design bureau and someone actually build it.
Prob best this one died tnqh
>>64855639The fact that something this fucking big managed to get lost is always astounding to me.
>>64855647BEHOLD
>>64855738I've heard of ekranoplans, but this is something else entirely.
Chrysler atomic tank
>>64862627
Every day it hurts, bros. Fuck the Chairforce for killing her.
>>64862447The same competition also involved the SE 212 Durandal, but that has the same architecture as the mirage but overall slightly worse performance.
>>64863805I know describing things as "if X and Y had a baby" is a tired cliche, but this really looks like the lovechild of a Mirage and a F-100.
1920s and 1930s popular scientific mags had a whole collection of fever dream weapons
robocops great grandad.
>>64863902Forget the Haunebu, this is far cooler.
>>64863908>rotating discs with lead ballsI realize the Supreme Court hadn't yet applied the 4th Amendment to the states when this was conceived, but surely someone would have considered this too far for simple crowd suppression?
>>64864370Gets even better when its clear that its being used for good ole fashion union busting in the picture
>>64862648Every time some zoomer pipes up about how the F35 is totally going to be good at CAS, I remember how many cool CAS concepts the Air Force killed because of service rivalry and SAC autism and I rage.
>>64862627>>64862631>Where do you work out?
>>64855624
The smelloscope, death clock.
>>64855624>>64855647>Robbed of the great airship wars>Robbed of the nuclear-powered orbital battleship wars>Instead given "psychological warfare"Truly the worst timeline.Anyways pic related was an actual NASA project in the early 60's that was shitcanned by the outer space treaty.https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20000096503/downloads/20000096503.pdf>>64855629Space shuttles were actually the gayest shit ever.
>>64867964This is about as big as they got before Von Brauns nazi circle jerk took over.
>>64867964Orion is amusing on paper but grossly overrated, niche use, and impractical.Don't forget you needed to repeat over 800 times a complex motion of >open the shield>launch a nuke>close the shield, while chambering the next nuke to launch>explode the nuke with good enough precision to keep on track (who know the air turbulence?)>absorb the shockwave explosion without any of the absorbers grippingDoing all theses every 2 seconds, at least 800 times.Oh and no mistake allowed or you have 800 poorly shielded nuclear pellets falling on whatever is currently at the lower end of its trajectory.Once in space it is also inferior in efficiency to classical nuclear thrusters, so it was only vaguely interesting as a launch vehicle. Today, it wouldn't compete with a working "SpaceX starship"If we needed nuclear propulsion today, we would launch a few nuclear thermal thrusters and have both efficiency, practicality, and redundancy.Space shuttles were the most reasonable method open to us at the time. Falcon9 and Heavy booster today only perform this well thanks to much, much better computers & sensors allowing the suicide-burn landing that no human could do.
>>64868663>classical nuclear thrustersWhat mass would there be to throw out of the back? no air to heat.
>>64863908>tear gas penisesFantastic
>>64869408Nuclear thermal thruster can use the energy to heat and eject propellant.
>>64862566>handing a bottle of hydrazine to some retarded gruntextremely cursed
>>64855655>I hope the buran in the kosmodrone hangar is still intact.... It belongs in a museum.There's one at the Speyer Technik Museum, actually got to see it
>>64855655>>64873157the incomplete orbiters could still be refurbished, the Buran/Energia was destroyed in the roof collapsehttps://www.buran-energia.com/bourane-buran/bourane-fin.phphttps://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/11/remembering-buran-shuttles-estranged-soviet-cousin/https://youtu.be/zmBBSrxGfPQ
>>64873220At least one of them got chopped up and poorly ratchet strapped to a bunch of trailers with no cover then brought to an exhibition somewhere.After typing the above I found this picture which I think is the same one so at least it's in a bit better shape
>>64855660the germans had submarine cargo boats during ww1 to avoid the english blockade, don't know how big they are
WW3 would have been wild.
>>64863902this shit was in gundam f-91
>>64862566>be grunt>trying to cave some dudes skull in with the butt of my rifle>gun explodes and there are no remains of either of us
>>64873715You know damn well we have two or three “just in case”.
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>>64863902fuck it*circular saws your medium bomber in half*
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>>64876888Project Pluto just seems incredibly spiteful>launch a nuclear powered ram jet that spews radiation out its ass >fly at low altitude at super sonic speeds to while spewing radiation bursting ear drums >drop some nuclear bombs >fly around for weeks until you crash and creat some more radiological problems for the soviets I’ve seen some soi faced reactions about super deadly terrifying weapons but this actually seems terrifying
>>64876888You're a big Supersonic Low Altitude Missile
>>64856651That’s just an English Electric Lightning right?
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>>64876966Wasn't it basically intended for exactly that purpose, as basically a final "fuck you" in the event of a nuclear holocaust?
>>64873692It was the Japs. They had the largest submarines until the advent of nuclear subs. Brits never really "blockaded" the Germans, which is useless anyways since Germans had land routes for supplies.
>>64879795>Brits never really "blockaded" the Germans, which is useless anyways since Germans had land routes for suppliesSnopes fact check rating: mostly false.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany_(1914%E2%80%931919)?useskin=vector
>>64879617No. After the concept of a manned, nuclear powered bomber with unlimited loiter time proved unworkable, they decided to try making an unmanned nuclear bomber/cruise missile.Getting a period turbojet to run continuously for months on end without failing wasn't really realistic, and making a cruise missile autopilot capable of taking off and landing back to base by itself impossible, so they settled on a ramjet design that only has to be launched and cruise within a preplanned flight trajectory, dropping nuclear bombs along the way.Such a cruise missile had to be designed to fly really low to avoid being intercepted by existing air defenses, and as it was a ramjet design it also had to fly really fast. After they sucessfully built the ramjet engine, they figured out that the entire concept worked, but the shockwave and radiation it would produce flying around at low altitudes would make it dangerous enough that they couldn't really test it over usa territory, at which point congress looked at they were doing and were terrified at the idea of making a full prototype as past experiences with powerful weapons had shown that somehow the soviet union would find a way to steal enough secrets to make a copy of their own.But at least all the research into the project led to the development of the tomahawk cruise missile.
>>64877375I think the design predates the Lightning slightly but yes it would pretty much be a Lightning, also it’s a shame the Lightning didn’t get to see combat
>>64855651This is going to be the average third world combat vehicle in 2050.
pretty sure that they would have ended up under german control in virtually every alternative history scenario imaginable, had they ever been ordered
>>64879982>soviet SLAM copyImagine the ecological disaster. It's a shame more info about their cavalier approach to nuclear hazards wasn't public knowledge at the time, Congress could have green lit it and waited for the inevitable Soviet own-goal.
> It would have been one of the world's most powerful artillery pieces, with a 53-caliber, 210 mm (8.3 in) gun firing 109-kilogram shells over a range of 57 km (35 mi).The prototypes were likely destroyed. As for the designs, they're scrambled across Iraq and neatly tucked away across Europe.
>>64882548Is this thing built on the South African G6 chassis, or did the Iraqis just copy the form factor?
>>64855739>4 twin TALOS launchersHoly fucking shit lmao. It doesn't need main guns when it's slinging fucking exploding telephone poles at the enemy at 180km range.
>>64868663BTW, Orion was invented by Freeman Dyson, same guy who is also famous for a Dyson sphere.
>>64884078Not like the Dyson sphere is hard to come up with when you can ignore all numbers.At least the one who named the O'neill colonies did the maths to know what size are feasible and that you need 2 colony (or rotating frame) to prevent gyroscopic lock.
>>64882742it's a G6 chassis but beefed up there was an Iraqi variant on the G6. the Iraqis never managed to get production going before the Gulf War, only a few were produced.they did however buy 100 G5 artillery pieces from Austria. the coalition spent months and a fortune trying to hunt them down
>>64862648You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada.
>>64855624When I was a kid, my aunt worked as a teacher. When her schools library would get rid of old outdated books she would give them to me if she thought I would be into them. One was a children's book all about the "Dyna-Soar" and how badass it would be. Dumb kid I was didn't realize the thing never made it off the drawing board.
>>64884678Well I'll be damned. What an oddity.
>>64884968My nigger. I had a little toy version of this thing when I was a kid. Wasn't until I was in high school I actually had any idea what it was even supposed to be, so I pretended it was basically the same as a Nighthawk. Been obsessed with its shape ever since.
>>64856568Same here. I use to stick it up my ass lol
>>64869408>>64872317LH2 to be specific
>>64884190Dyson didn't ignore the numbers, his version was basically a cloud of satellites in solar orbit that would allow one to use most or all of the sun's output. Other people made it into a solid object.
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>>64887926That's true, but that take also make it not worth mentioning.The "solid" Dyson sphere (or at least the solar sail) is the only one that's conceptually new, stable, and would allow massive computing in a matrioshka brain way.Make it into a Shkadov thruster on top of it and you might actually become an interstellar species.
>>64888384Kek.
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