Why is Washington's sword shaped like this? It looks like of Arabic and doesn't have any hand protectionhttps://www.si.edu/object/george-washingtons-battle-sword-and-scabbard%3Anmah_434865
>>64863476It's a cavalry sword. What sword should he have?
>>64863496civil war cavalry sabers have hand protection and they don't have such an arabic silhouette
>>64863527Washington didn't fight in the civil war
>>64863476Looks like a normal 18th century sabre to me.
Washington's sword allegedly had weird magical properties that stopped the carrier from dying in battle, there are an insane number of coincidences and near misses saving the lives of the men who held that sword.
>>64863476Before guns were prolific (only dedicated units had a firearm), things like a large crossguard with a bunch of quillions were common because melee combat was common. After guns proliferated (every combatant has a firearm), those intricate handguards started to disappear. No longer were we seeing combatants in sword duels in a battlefield; we were instead seeing combatants charge some poor saps who had fired and now had to reload.Look at the sword he likely carried into that battle: https://www.mountvernon.org/preservation/collections-holdings/washingtons-swords/the-bailey-silver-ivory-hilted-cuttoeLook at one of the swords he used on ceremonial occasions: https://www.mountvernon.org/preservation/collections-holdings/washingtons-swords/the-1767-silver-hilted-smallsword
>>64863571I think he had a different sword during the french indian war>>64863538I know but it's weird his sword doesn't have hand protection and looks like a completely different style than civil war swords or like yuropoor smallswords
>>64863593neat and the second sword looks more like what I'd expect a yuropean sword of the era to look like
>>64863597>I think he had a different sword during the french indian warHe had many swords. Most of them were for ceremonial use, as he wasn't much of a swordsman.
>>64863527i dont think a sword being curved means its arabic
>>64863476that style was trendy at the time
>>64863605Yes, the former British officer had European swords The saber style you call "Arabic" was popular among cavalrymen, while the straight swords were more common among infantry officers. He even received one of those you call "European style" as a gift from the French when he fought the British. https://www.mountvernon.org/preservation/collections-holdings/washingtons-swords/model-1767-epee
>>64863615that extreme of a curve with that grip looks arabic. I'd expect a yuro sword with that curve to have more hand protection
>>64863632yeah like that again would be what I'd expect of a yuropean officer's sword during that time period
>>64863496>>64863632It's a hanger, an infantry sword, not a cavalry sword. Curved blades in infantry swords were known in europe since the renaissance. It has no relation to cavalry.
>>64863651Cavalry sabers don't need big hand guards.
>>64863496Shouldn't he be carrying a colichemarde? Or was that just for dress, not field?
>>64863696Western cavalry sabres generally did have hand guards, a knuckle bow and a rear quillon at least. Washingtons sword does not have a cavalry lineage.
>>64863597Prior to around the Napoleonic wars the brits did not issue a standard cavalry sabre so it is most likely a custom job modelled to Washington's tastes
>>64863696here's a civil war cav saber. it has hand protection
>>64863527That's ONE HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS LATER
>>648638324 score and 7, not 100, troon
>>64863706>the brits did not issue a standard cavalry sabre>it is most likely a custom jobYou are correct. The sword was not standard issue, but that does not change the fact that he used it on horseback, not on foot.
>>64863476it's a hanger, they were a common style of sword in the mid-late 18th century. They were often associated with naval officers and hunting swords.
>>64864253apparently, Washington liked the color green
>>64863476Swords were absolutely used to great effect in the revolutionary war. Sabers vs bayonets were common. Sabers were/are one of the finest evolution of the combat sword, which is why they're still used.
>>64864259It was pretty popular for swordmakers, cutlers, etc to dye ivory handle components green with a verdigris solution, it just made them more interesting looking.
>>64864280I was looking at some mount vernon youtube stuff and they do a bunch of vids where kids ask about Washington and apparently he mentioned liking green in some letter at some point
>>64863476This picture was painted in the 1850s iirc its wildly innacurate
>>64864310see>>64864253that's legitimately one of his swords. it's in the Smithsonian and would have been in possession of the US government and on display somewhere when that painting was painted
>>64863571They don't want you to know this, but high church Anglicans are actually powerful wizards and the Freemasons in the early USA kept this tradition alive until the civil war.
>>64863719Why do you keep bringing up the civil war, fucking retard.
>>64864359Cause I have a civil war saber, you fucking tranny
>>64864367well, George Washington did not, and we're talking about his sword
>>64863571The best kind of hand protection: plot armor.
https://www.mountvernon.org/preservation/collections-holdings/washingtons-swordshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZrYYCce3EYhttps://www.arms-n-armor.com/blogs/news/presidential-swordsLooks like it was this "Bailey Silver & Ivory Hilted Cuttoe".https://www.mountvernon.org/preservation/collections-holdings/washingtons-swords/the-bailey-silver-ivory-hilted-cuttoehttps://www.si.edu/object/george-washingtons-battle-sword-and-scabbard%3Anmah_434865Always relevant:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbRom1Rz8OA
>>64864367You are mentally impaired.
>>64865509you are gay and retarded
>>64865509faggot
BECAUSE ITS A PAINTING YOU FUCKING AUTISTS NONODY GIVES A FUCK!!!
>>64863476>officer of a british colony has a british officer's sabreTruly weird
>>64868866see>>64865454it's an actual sword that Washington's family donated to the US in the 1840s and was on display around the time that nazi painted that painting. it's very much a depiction of a real sword washington owned >>64868873it was made in fishkill ny, faggot
>>64863476>>64863597>doesn't have any hand protection>doesn't have hand protectionYes it does
>>64871212that doesn't wrap around the hand
>>64871506NTA, it stops the opponent's sword from sliding into your hand when both blades come into contact, and it also prevents your hand from sliding up to the sharp blade when you stab something.
>>64871854Other, contemporary sabers had more hand protection
>>648718781. That's a naval sword, not a hunting sword like the one Washington is using.2. The 18th and 19th centuries were when handguards started disappearing. The world went from picrel to swords like what Washington carries in that pic.
>>648718991796 bong foot officer's sword. it has hand protectionhttps://www.michaeldlong.com/product/1st-royal-regiment-of-foot-officers-sword-by-prosser/
>>64871899>>648719121770s bong dragoon sword, it has hand protectionhttps://www.amrevmuseum.org/collection/british-officer-s-saber
>>64863476Washington had a shitload of swords/hangers and used exactly none of them in anger. It was whatever symbol of rank he felt like carrying around that day. Complex edged weapons were in very short supply like so much else during the revolution and officers carried whatever sword-shaped object they could get their hands on.
>>64871912>>64871914You are starting to convince me that you are illiterate. The words "starting to disappear" should be clear to anyone who can read. BTW, you fucking moron, this is the very same 1778 cuttoe that Washington had in that painting. https://www.mountvernon.org/preservation/collections-holdings/washingtons-swords/the-bailey-silver-ivory-hilted-cuttoe
>>64871506>that doesn't wrap around the handIt's a hanger he got as a gift not a purpose built war sword you retard. They're made for ease of daily carry which means big complex guards are the first feature to be cut.
>>64871917I know it's the same one from the painting you gay, illiterate retard faggot.>>64871919he bought that sword, he didn't get it as a gift fagolio
>>64871927>I know it's the same one from the painting you gay, illiterate retard faggot.Repeating the same insult back means you lack creativity, you ESL brownoid. BTW, under proper grammar you were supposed to say "retarded," not "retard" on that line. Back to elementary school with you; come back when you're at least 18 and own at least 1 weapon.
>>64872105I'm white, I own guns and I'm American. three things you can't say about yourself, nogunz troon
>>64872113Of course, you are. We all believe you. LOL
>>64863476Its a painting, dumdum.
>>64872132see>>64871917retardo>>64872129Why would I care if a no gunz third worlder like you believes me?
It's a cuttoe, or hangar, and there's nothing Arabic about it. There. That was easy.https://www.mountvernon.org/preservation/collections-holdings/washingtons-swords/the-bailey-silver-ivory-hilted-cuttoe
>>64872150You actually doubled down despite not understanding English, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Listen, you third-world moron. In >>64871917 I used "retard" as a noun, so it is correct that way. In >>64871927, your ESL response, the noun is the word "faggot," so an actual English speaker would have known to use "retarded," not "retard," where the adjective is (you should probably learn this stuff before your work visa gets revoked, okay Brownoid). Now keep your ignorance to yourself while people who know about weapons and want to discuss them continue on.
>>64872179Many people have tried to inform him.
>>64872197I ain't reading your faggot shit, you no gunz thirdie retard. your grasp on the English language worse than your lack of guns
>>64865454It's like I never posted this.People really do love arguing from a position of ignorance, don't they?Am I on ignore, or are people's default settings Read Only, like a Terminator if you don't flip the learning switch on the chip in their head, like in in the T2 special edition?
>>64873455Even before you arrived, someone else had posted it. >>64863593, the other faggot just relishes the chance to be ignorant.
>>64871878>Other, contemporary sabers had more hand protectionSkill issue. Washington didn't need that much hand protection.
>>64872229this sure shut that brown thirdie up
>>64863476It's an anachronism, likely a reference to the mameluke sword which was adopted by the USMC. Rah.
Washington should have carried a katana and sliced British warships in half with one swing
>>64874963I've wanted to do a funny thing for a long time. Either vid or picrel. https://youtu.be/NJG0fKgAb3o
>>64874957it's a real sword he bought in 1779 that has been posted half a dozen times if not more in this thread
>>64875022I hadn't read the thread, but I stand by what I said. Even though I know it's wrong, my answer feels right.
californians don't celebrate Washington's birthday
>>64875127Why would they celebrate an American holiday?
>>64863476It’s specifically a Bailey Silver & Ivory-Hilted Cuttoe. Faggots
>>64873619
>>64868888checked>nazilel, whut?
>>64878936Did mods autocorrect jew?
>>64877608It's like this on every "social media". People on twitter were illiterate, people on X are. Tumbler is as well and, despite pretending not to be, they are as retarded as people on 4chan. People on reddit actually can read and can be a great source of information if they are only active in niche communities (most of them aren't). People on Instagram/TikTok/Snapchat/what else there is have the mental capacity of a motion sensor.
>>64878958>>64878936the painter was a nazi. that's why Washington's Cape has the nazi flag colors. there was some whole shitpost about it during WWI because a daughters of the mayflower group got mad about some painter using nazi paint so he painted them in front of the op painting because they wouldn't realize a nazi painted it in the 1850s
>>64880533>Painted in the mid 1800s. >NAHZEES PAINTED THISAre you fucking retarded?
>>64879102Indeed. Sad state of affairs.
>>64881423once a nazi, always a nazi, you thirdie ass bitch
>>64876194this was posted a dozen times before you posted it
It's just a saber.Officers carried them as a side sword and didn't duel, so they didn't want elaborate hand guards. Why a saber in the first place?Foils weren't of any use in the field, officers were often political figures not really soldiers at all, so where German officers liked the foil, and their side swords might thus be rapiers, short dueling swords, the saber was the hacking sword for someone who probably had no idea how to fence. Again, feature of side swords.So why a saber over something like a gladius? Bayonets rather than spears being the primary infantry weapon, nobody having shields. The issue with officers swords is sort of to protect the officer from their own men, an assasin, angry soldier. Pistol and saber are both sort of personal defence weapons.
And for those who say a saber is a cavalry weapon, seemingly many of you. I would put it to you that a cavalry saber is a different beast, length being the defining feature. You can't use a short saber on a horse to any effect, it's just not long enough And while cavalry of the period existed, the didn't necessarily fight on horse back, officers didn't necessarily fight at all, cavalry charges were really the way of the dinosaur at this point, though cavalry might ride down enemies, and a general though mounted, wouldn't want to fight the enemy hand to hand at at, mounted or not, even if they led such an action. Snipers were a very real threat to generals, if you were the only one on a horse, you'd get off the horse immediately and fight on foot, or flee to somewhere safer. A general must direct a battle not get shot off their horse attacking individual enemy troops. I'm sure it happened, some generals, at some points in time, for show or recklessness did it, but the officer saber was not a cavalry saber, was not for fighting on horse back, even if the officer was mounted.
>>64863476it's AI slop
>>64883636that's a famous painting
>>64883633>cavalry charges were really the way of the dinosaur at this point,there were cavalry charges in Crimea like 75 years after the Revolution
>>64880533>daughters of the mayflowerAre you a middle aged women? >>64883575Officers dueled throughout the 18th century. The lack of complex guards (like many 17th century rapiers would have) had to do with convenience.>FoilsFoils (in the modern understanding of the word) developed out of the smallsword - which was probably the most common cold arm for an officer in the 18th centuy.>and their side swords might thus be rapiers, short dueling swords,Rapiers were longer than 18th century smallswords - again, the latter became shorter due to convenience.>The issue with officers swords is sort of to protect the officer from their own men, an assasin, angry soldier.No. Swords were common weapons for commissioned officers because they were easy to carry and could easily be seen. And a sword is still a good weapon. Non-comissioned officers (like sergeants) would be armed with polearms to be even more easier to see by their own troops.>And while cavalry of the period existed, the didn't necessarily fight on horse back, officers didn't necessarily fight at all, cavalry charges were really the way of the dinosaur at this point,No. Cavalry charges and melee on horseback was common in Europe until the late 19th century. The american revolutionary war just had comparatively less cavalry engagements because not many people were trained as cavalrymen, there was a bottleneck of suitable war horses and due to the terrain, vast distances, and the previous reasons dragoons were more useful.
>>64883731>>daughters of the mayflower>Are you a middle aged women?Are you a gay retard, who can't read?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_Revolution
>>64883846Daughters of the mayflower ≠ Daughters of Revolution The rest of your stoy is also wrong. Consider killing your father and mother for their failures towards you. But definitely kill yourself so that your existence doesn't spoil this beautiful earth we walk.
>>64883994it's the same thing you illiterate tranny and I told the story right, you are just angry and gay because you are retarded and gay
>>64881577>once a nazi, always a nazi, you thirdie ass bitchExplain, you absolute mongoloid, how the German-American artist who painted that, and lived and died long before the formation of the NSDAP was a "Nazi". Are you just being a disingenuous faggot, and pretending that being of German extraction makes you a Nazi?
>>64884603germans are nazis, you thirdie ass retard. Germany is the nazi country. you thirdies have shit tier education. must be why you cant put a man in space
>>64863597Looks pretty similar to the napoleonic wars era cavalry sabers I've seen in museums.
>>64884665>Germany is the nazi countryOk retard. What an amazing slide thread you've created here. Let's see you post a gun you own. Also, my family has been in this country since before it even was a country. Not only am I from founding stock, I'm also not a noguns like yourself.
>>64885695nice airshit thirdie, I'll post guns when I get home, you dickless homosexual.What the fuck would someone even slide on /k/? a fucking battle star galactica thread, homo?
>>64885886>airshitcope and seethe noguns. I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know you seethe. Post gun and hand brownoid. >muh BSGOh no, people having fun? On /k/? That can't eb allowed. We have to have non stop war tourist threads and endless posts by noguns like yourself.
>>64887046>>64885695nice airshit, thirdie. I can tell you arent American based in how brown your hands are. guns are banned in your third world nazi country, war tourist faggot.
>>64884665Fascism (What most think of as Nazism) as we know it started in Italy, The German Nationalist Socialist Workers party (The Nazis) came after Fascism was invented.
>>64887072>posting a picture of your poverty rifle >taking said picture with disgusting midget thumb nail visible>taking said picture through a camera lens coated in Vaseline >calling my USP airshit despite staring down the polygonally rifled barrel towards the breechface that’s coated in brass marks>still insists I’m a thirdieI have a relative that a US Army post was named after. Can you say the same?
>>64887756>trying to instate an aristocracy in the USdon't care, didn't read, airshit thirdie
>>64887078Italian fascism is different from German fascism
>>64888318>poorfag with freakish fingernails isn't a founding stock AmericanSAD!
>>64889377I ain't poor retard. Also I am stock American on my father's mother's side. it's just retarded to put retarded aristocracy bullshit, you nonAmerican thirdie faggot
