Post firearms that are respectable imitations of their original designs. It is mandatory to post yours if you have one.
>>64865399I think ptr did a pretty good job at aping hk.
I've always heard the Norinco M14's were superior to the SAI.
H&R pardner 12 gauge. You know, I've noticed something. The chinese can make pretty good guns, but really only when it's a clone of something good from somewhere else
the Hungary FEG .380 version of Walther PPyes I have one cosmoline fresh
>>64866276Isn’t that just common knowledge? >Chinese good at copying>bad at ingenuity and creativity
>>64865399Bersa satisfy a my PP craving
Zastava CZ99 and its derivatives are pretty swell.Started as a mingling of Sig P226 and Walther P88, and that creation took on a life of its own, spawning a bunch of related copies and clones like the CZ999, EZ9, Tressitu TZ9, KSN Golan, Arex Zero 1, Radom Mag 95, Mag 98 and Vis 100
>>64866276There's some original Chinese guns I would buy. I mean assuming they're not shitty as there isn't much informationbout there about most of them
My turk knockoff Brit Hi Power is fun as fuck
>>64866541Frankly, I've seen that particular allegation leveled at all East Asians: Koreans, Japs, and Chinks.
>>64865399Fun fact, you can mount a Beretta 92 slide on a Taurus frame.It won't actually fire because the sear design on the Taurus doesn't engage the Beretta's firing pin block, although Taurus does have a firing pin block it's shape and location is different from a 92FS. The frame safety is also obstructed, but the slide safety still works apart from no longer acting as a decocker.You can't mount a Taurus slide on a Beretta frame (at least not a 92FS) because it collides with some of the trigger/sear components.>>64866169It's semi fuddlore. Norinco used forged receivers as opposed to castings used by SAI. People do build custom M14geries off Norinco receivers for this reason, but it doesn't mean they are actually better. Occasionally those receivers are actually too brittle. Besides which for all the ink spilled about SAI receivers being cast match shooters are still using them for decades after multiple barrel changes.The rest of the parts in Norinco M14s tend to be pretty crummy and assembly is sloppy too. Those factors matter a lot if you want a good all around M14 clone, not just the receiver.>>64866276Those are genuinely bomb proof, far moreso than a genuine Remington. I suspect the stocks have thick plastic because they use them for riot control in China and want something that'll hold up for bashing heads in.
>>64865399I love the frame safety/decocker, even the new berettas that they put a frame safety/decocker on feel like shit, this one is like a crisp lever with no fluff, the beretta ones are so bulky and dont feel as good to manipulate. Wish i never sold my pt101, was a dream piece
>>64866631If you wanna suck dick nigga suck it fag
>>64865399Since we're already on the topic of the Beretta 92, the Taiwanese T75.>ywn have a T75=(
>>64865399Oh yeah and weirdly enough my used 92FS came with a Taiwanese mag lol. No it's not an old Beretta mag, I also own one of those.>>64866669You ever see the one-handed cocking/loading Norinco handgun? It's like someone saw the Einhand and said "that needs to be done in a fullsize modern 9mm handgun." Forget the model, though.
>>64866678How reliable is it and how many rounds have you shot? Kinda want a Hi-Power and while I'm wary of Turk guns, there's not much else. The nu-Hi-Power isn't really the same inside AFAIK (also $$$ IIRC) and your only other choice is whatever's floating around like used Argentine surp HPs which have mixed reviews.
>>64867423You bet your sweet bippy I know the type 77b.Strangely enough the regular type 77 is a straight blowback in some proprietary Chinese pseudo .32 while the 77b is much larger delayed blowback.
>>64866702Because it's true. Western creativity and imagination is just on another level, that's why all of them make a AR15 and Glock clone.
>>64867436>Strangely enough the regular type 77 is a straight blowback in some proprietary Chinese pseudo .32WTF? But also the reason I mention that (not knowing what you know about) is because the larger 77Bs do exist in the US. Somewhat rare, but they're here.youtube.com/watch/2xiysdNFq8gI think that Arms For Thought guy also owns one in box. They came with three mags, numbered 1-3 and S/N'd to the gun IIRC.
>>64867456Oh yeah I heard rumors about that. I occasionally trawled gunborker for them but honestly I thought it was a myth at this point. I'd really like one. Wicked that it's true.
>>64865519100% this
>>64866702Japan is guilty of this during the post-War recovery (80s era tech pilfering from Big Blue and other mainframe companies). But they were very much still innovating then and during the modernisation period before the war. The gooks only got guud because they bought the Japanese equipment and domain knowledge after their economic crisis of the 90s and iterated. LCD tech originated in nipland. The nips lets the gooks be their Chinese, and take over advanced chip and panel manufacturing. Chinx have been stealing from the Japs and the West for 30 years. Now they've become what the gooks were to the Japanese to the gooks and the Americans. They don't steal (as much anymore), but they iterate and take over certain industries. And perhaps in the future, maybe the Viets will become the new Chinese and Koreans in terms of manufacturing for the Chinese and the West.
I owned this ugly fucker way back when. It’s a Bulgarian hi power clone that’s actually DA/SA. For some reason I couldn’t hit shit with it.
>>64867966I like the look of the full size more. So ugly it starts to look good, or something.
>>64867966i remember lusting after this lump in high school.still keep an eye out for one cheap but they're pretty scarce on the used market.
>>64867412There are a ton of licensed and reverse engineered Beretta 92 clones out there but I've never heard of this Taiwanese one. Breddy cool.
>>64867972I've seen exactly one in person and the LGS wanted $1200 for it. Felt like it was whittled out of a cinder block with a Nagant revolver trigger.
>>64865519Fugly ass optic, drip ruined
>>64866702true but Japs are much better about making quality products nowadaysJapanese motorcycles mog the fuck out of harleys for example
>>64866643That reminds me, Atlantic put up incomplete listings for VIS100s recently so some new ones are coming over soon.
>>64865399I have a Japanese metric 870. It was made by Howa in Japan and sold under the S&W brand. It's breddy gud.
>>64870133>Howa in Japanthose and anything Miroku are gtg
>>64866631Based holster choice. I wish Muddy River made soft leather IWB holsters to accommodate lights.
>>64867430I've shot a few hundred, apparently they can have bad extractors (a weakness in the normal HP even) so I replaced mine with a browning extractor and extractor spring for like $25, runs like a top. Fit and finish are excellent, and its one of my favorite guns to shoot.
Tisas 1911 shoots everything perfectly reliable with low weight bullets to hollow points to low recoil reloads
>>64870627I'll add to this with their milspec A1 clone being extremely solid and accurate enough to the original for its pricepoint.
>>64870627Is the tisas better than RIA 1911s? I've been seeing tisas charging more but I know armscor has been making budget 1911s longer and I've seen them coming in cheaper online now compared to the replica tisas
>>64870694Far, far better. Tisas makes their shit with forged everything. Well, the only thing that isn't forged is the recoil spring plunger. Everything else is hardened and THEN machined, which is backwards to how everyone else does things. RIA uses castings. Fuck em. Get a Tisas and change the springs out with a $17 Wilson Combat set and you're golden. I'm a huge slut for Tisas, I have over 10 of them. Although I was buying all of mine for $300, that may change very soon as they have broken away from SDS and they will certainly be asking for more money per unit very soon.
>>64870732Good to know, thanks!
>>64867436Does anyone know what the hell happened with the market on these? I remember watching one on GB like a year or two ago that kept getting relisted over and over for 1.5K and never sold. Now people are bidding them up over 3 grand for seemingly no reason. It’s a niche, borderline unheard of gun of dubious build quality from a country few people collect from, and Ian doesn’t even have a video on it. I dont get it
>>64871151Cashed up autistic chink zoomers I'd assume
>>64870627
>>64867430Springfield also makes the SA-35. They had extractor issues early on but they seem to have fixed them in later production. You can replace it for pretty cheap if you don't trust it. I really like mine but I can't say if it's better than one of the less expensive turk clones.
>>64865399Kinda shocked this hasn't been posted yet.
>>64872928>no name wannabe copy uggo gun>kikelanticwhy even waste your time
>>64873028Arex has been around on the US market for 10 years now at least.
>>64873045Hipoint been around longer doesnt make them good
>>64873028>>64873057>Poorfag who doesn't want them to sell out before their welfare gibs arrive
>>64873072Buddy if want a great poorfag gun I'll get a Star 30m for less than your goyslop copy pistol. The 30m is the most slept on pistol of the last 365 days.
>>64873109k, lol
>>64865399>PT92Didn't Taurus just buy the plant from Beretta and keep making guns off their tooling? Regardless of how it came to be having the safety on the frame instead of the slide instantly makes me like it more than the 92FS, partly due to having fallen hard for the 1911 pill and partly due to having baby hands so my thumb always struggled with flicking off the M9's slide safety.
>>64865399Jericho. Clone of a Tanfoglio, which is a CZ75 clone. Solid Jew gun, looks cool, Spike Spiegel. I have an Israeli surp one so there's a strong possibility it has killed Arabs.
>>64874763The CZ 75 has so many clones it's ridiculous. Israel even cloned it twice.
>>64876122Tanfoglio made good copies the cz 75, the beretta 92 and the 1911, looking forward to get one of their 1911s
>>64865399The Manufrance Hawthorne/Viking/Colt Coltsman gets my vote as being the best 870 imitation>Aluminum receiver>Ambi slide release>User removable mag tube>Still maintains some 870 compatibilityI'm very surprised no one in the US tried to ape it.
>>64865399Mine is very picky with its food. It seems to work well with Federal, but other brass case cartridges will struggle with the occasional FTE.
>>64876152I'm kind of tempted to buy a tanfoglio mossad just for the meme
>>64876323I'm very tempted to get this one.
>>64871151i got mine last year on GB for 350, insane deal.Tremendous piece of shit to shoot however, the ironsights are a solid half inch above the slide.
>>64873028>Respectable clone thread posts respectable clone>Talk shitBro what?
>>64876122RIP Sphinx
>>64877181see >>64873072 for your answer
>>64872928>>64866643
Already posted but the chinese 870 clones are god tier.
>>64868115>>64865519Plus, no good cheekweld possible, and no co-witness which for a RDS is the worst choice, even if you still have ironsight visibility through the mount channel. This is chinweld only when used in the extended stock position. Poor aesthetics aside, it's a poor man's tacticool. I'm not hating. It's just not a showpiece. It's a starter project. 7/10, would switch to folding stock with cheekguard or a low profile RDS with co-witness.
>>64881698OMG! HI TANFO!
>>64879913(don't have one of those, but) Have an AT 84S made in Switzerland from the '80s
>>64876122So cloned even the Czechs couldn't resist recursively cloning it.On a tanfoglio polymer frame too lol
>>64876412What do thry offer over the over 9000 other 1911s on the market?
>>64882341>AT 84SHow is it?
>>64876186>Colt ColtsmanThat is a hell of a name. A retarded sounding one, but nonetheless...
>>64886915It's not even the only time they did that dumb namescheme
>>64887965And as I read, apparently they're both supposed to have "the" in their names.>Colt the colteer>Colt the coltsmanJesus christ
>>64880944How's the Chinese Winchester clone?You hear about the pardner all the time but it and the Chinese Ithaca clones almost never come up
>>64888870Never shot one myself but I heard they're gtg. They fall in the same category as pardners of "the pawn shop didn't have a maverick 88" pump shotguns
>>64866169Early ones had issues with heat treat on internals. Im old enough to have dealt with the first runs of them, and while major parts were fine, things like searing surfaces on the trigger and hammer, (and infrenquently the bolt) were improperly heat treated, and would cause the piece to go full auto after shooting 5~20 rounds.They also did odd things like using a grub screw/set screw to retain the barrel. The barrel and receiver were made just like the actual M-14, but Polytech/Norinco decided to add a set screw through the side of the receiver and into the barrel threads.The stocks were sometimes "punky" like the bad SKS stocks one would sometimes find. What was nice was they usually came as a ready to go product, complete with sling, a decent copy of the USGI M-14 in stock cleaning kit, and a decent manual.I've seen some very nice rifles made up using one of the Polytech/Norinco M-14's as a base.
>>64889261You're going to need to show pics. Never seen that.
>>64888870Its trash the only chinesehotgun worth a damn is the 870 knockoff since china actually uses them and they tooled up for it. All the otherones were for export only shipped out in a barely functional gunshaped object that will work if some body actually finishes it shape. Oh we should clone this, does it matter if it works? No who gives a shit buyers on the other side of the planet fuck em.
>>64889278here's an older image showing the grubscrew.
