I regret to inform you all, that after owning 14 different 1911s over the past 15 years, I have found 0 that were reliable. I have tried practically every brand of magazine, and always use good quality brass ammo.>4x TisasNone of them have gone more than 50 rounds without jamming.The pictured Tisas somehow managed to have over a dozen jams in 100 rounds.Every type of jam imaginable. Failure to feed, failure to extract, failure to eject, stove pipe.And that pictured double feed, with a brand new mec gar magazine. (The same type that came with it.)>2x ColtHad a series 70 that I sent back to Colt about 6 times in 2 years. They could never fix the issue, even after replacing the entire slide and almost all other parts.Eventually they decided that the frame was somehow machined incorrectly, and bought it back from me.Also have a special edition that fails to feed maybe twice per 100 rounds.>2x SpringfieldHad a TRP that wouldn't reliably feed. Also had a Prodigy that had fucked up sear engagement, and could go off from bumping it wrong.Sent it back to Springfield, and they replaced all the firing components, and the trigger was suddenly like 10 pounds. (It also jammed)>S&WGot their railed tac model. Ran reliably for 100 rounds. Then I tested the thumb safety.Turns out they machined it wrong, and it would allow the hammer to drop slightly, so that wen taking it off safe, the hammer would instantly fall, without touching the trigger.The half-cock notch would usually catch it. Usually.Also the 2 mags that came with it could never lock the slide back.>RugerEjection issues.Sent it in to be fixed, they didn't fix it. Gave up and got rid of it.>RIAMostly failures to feed.>Auto OrdnanceFailures to ejectTried various fixes, got rid of it.>NorincoFailures to extract. Poor extractor tension.>RemingtonSomehow the most reliable one of the bunch.Made it to maybe 700 rounds before it started to shit the bed.1/2
It took you 14 guns to learn that and you keep making the same mistake?
>>64876830Palmeddo Daggah is insaely reliabl though
2/2inb4>you just need to do X!I've tried it.Different mags, different ammo, tuning extractors, changing ejectors, replacing springs, different spring weights, "breaking it in", holding more firmly, different grip, polishing feed ramp, running it wet, ect. ect. ect.>muh 1911's been 100% for the 20 years I've owned it!That's great, but I'm 0/14>I've got 3 different Tisas 1911s, and they all run flawlessI'm 0/4 on Tisas specifically.In fact, before Tisas went to forged parts, I got one with MIM, and had a MIM firing pin stop break and launch the firing pin out of the back of the gun.It had maybe 100 rounds through it, and I was only dryfiring it at the time.I can't count how many hours I've wasted trying to fix them.How much time I've spent crawling through forums for suggestions.And how much money I've thrown into this bottomless pit of jamming.If you've got one that's actually run flawlessly for years and years, that's great.But I'm 0/14.I really want to like 1911s.They shoot well, and I prefer them to USPs, FNXs, ect.But holy fuck I cannot get a reliable one for the fucking life of me.
>>64876832I REALLY like the way they shoot.Especially with flat MSH and long length trigger.I can put 8 rounds in a smaller than fist sized group at 10 yards doing semi rapid fire.Which for me is very good.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1911/comments/15ev1ou/had_some_problems_today_with_my_raider_when/This should be an instant ban.
>>64876846>fist sized group at 10 yardswow thats some low standards
>>64876854For the speed I'm shooting at, it seems pretty good.I'm sure you're a way better shooter than me tho.
>>64876853What are you implying?I took that picture myself earlier today.
Not a soldiers' gun?
>>64876865tight tolerances, full length guide rod...
>>64876865Unfuckingreliable>>64876839This is the authentic 1911 experience. Congrats OP.
>>64876830Buy a Dan Wesson.
>>64876839>>64876830The further you get from original John Browning/USG milspec tolerances - 'loose' by contemporary standards - the less reliable the piece is likely to be. And don't put match barrels in them for the same reason.
>>64876853Who is OP?
>>64876873I buy a couple dozen guns a year, and I was planning to.But after reflecting on how shit my experiences with 1911s have been, I think I might just stop buying them altogether.
>>64876874>>64876873>BoomerloreSorry chopped uncs. 1911s are just a shit design, except for the trigger.
>>64876874What brand does a 1911 correctly, that I haven't already tried?
Buy a glock
>Kimber not mentionedcan't stop winning here
>>64876830skill issue. why don't you know why your 1911 doesn't work?
>>64876889Well it once took Colt 2 years of replacing every single part, and eventually just saying "idk, frame must be wrong, we can't fix it".Very high skill floor, I guess.
>>64876880surplus
>>64876830>Fag Dark EarthDo you live in a desert?
>>648768301911s as a whole have dubious reliability, I’ve owned a Remington, Kimber and Tisas. The Remington was OK, failure to feed here and there but only had around 500 rounds through it which is barely getting out of the “break in” period. My Kimber Custom II was a champ, had maybe 2000 rounds through it with minimal issues, I used Wilson Combat, McCormick and Kimber “Pro” mags with great success, the Tisas is pretty dog shit, at least one failure to feed every 3 or so mags and the slide constantly fails to lock back on an empty mag still after 800+ rounds. Wouldn’t seriously carry one for defense but I still do like them every now and again.
>>64876880NTA>Colts that were made in the 1970s or earlier.>Ed Brown (they better be good for that price)>BUL Armory (be warned, they are jewish)>Dan Wesson>Nighthawk Custom>Wilson Combat>Les BaerConsidering you kept buying Tisas, RIA, Norinco, etc. (The only budget one you haven't touched seems to be the Taurus; let me save you time by telling you that you shouldn't bother with it.) I can tell that my list is outside your price range.
>>64876830>1911's DON'T SUCK
>>64876830>bought the same gun 14 different times and didn't learn his lesson after the secondwoof
>>64876830>>64876839>didn't bother trying Kimber >didn't bother trying Wilson Combatwell there your problem.
>>64876830No US made firearm is reliable. Burgers have a unique brain defect which keeps them from engineering anything properly.Why do you think fucking Glocks, a disposable cheap mass conscript army gun made out of plastic by a guy who was in the business of literally making curtain rods for mom and sporks for the army by being the lowest bidder took the US by storm?Yeah sure bubba's hand-filed 1911 looks nice and feels nice but it jams up so often that even an injection moulded stamped sheet metal piece of shit from an Austrian spork mogul beats it because they at least know the basics of mechanical engineering.
>>64876830>those brandsNo different from buying 10 BCA and 5 PSA ARs (plus a nu-Colt) and wondering why they aren't great.
>>64877086>moulded
Rating this bait is difficult. All in all it gets a 7/10, but I still consider it very high quality.
>>64877099>Burger>Doesn't know real British English>Speaks his infantile dysgenic "American English" soiled by nigger slang>Doesn't even realise his position
>burnt out with 1911 fuckery and just want to go back go basics>order CMP rack grade, matching rr/rr >jams with included mag within first shots
All 3 of these 1911s never jammed on me except the Dan Wesson until I fixed the slide drop
>>64877170>jam marks clearly visible
>>64876830I own one 1911. I have had zero failures with it.
>>64877218Dan Wesson
my 1911 is like my penisit shoots best when I've got a good magazine and a strong wrist
>>64877104I very much regret to say that this isn't bait.Here's some screencaps of the Colt series 70 getting refunded.Bought it dec 2014, refunded jan 2017Just over 2 years of sending it back to Colt over and over.I wish more than anything that I has a single reliable 1911.I might unironically try Sig next. The external extractor in the S&W seemed to help.At least it didn't jam, even if it was cartoonishly unsafe.
>>64877235I think you're just cursed.
>>64877218I thought about a dan wesson, but a few reviews mentioned occasional reliability issues.So with my luck, mine would probably jam harder than jimi hendrix.And if I dropped that much on another 1911 that also jammed, id fucking kms
>>64877238just make sure it's .45 and you'll be ok.Actually probably not. Have you considered converting to Mormonism? Normally I wouldn't suggest that but I think the ghost of John Moses Browning is angry with you, and that might appease him.
>>64877240What's really strange is that I only have this problem with 1911s.I have dozens of other semi auto handguns, mostly in 9mm and .45And yet 1911s are like 99% of the jams I experience.The other 1% is a DEagle that Magnum Research had to fix, and runs properly now.
>>64877244your desert eagle fucking works but you've gone through more than a dozen 1911s? Definitely mormon curse. No doubt about it.
>>64877245Not only does the DEagle work, but you can shoot it 1-handed without limpwristing it.And DEagles are NOTORIOUS for limp wrist malfs.Guess I'm actually just cursed.
>>64877221
>>64876987BUL has the same QC issues as any brand in the OP
>>64876830>oh man I've had 14 different guns and they're all varying degrees of fucked upthe only constant here is you, op
inb4 someone sees this thread and decides its an opportunity to dump their album
>>64877235Get one made in the EU, it will work.Doesn't really matter which brand.
> I rests his thumb on the safety...skill issue
>>64876830You’re probably lubing them wrong or something. >early billboard slide RIAliterally wouldn’t make it through a magazine >new production Colt in 45Fed everything including various hollow points, this was an unramped pistol with Colt’s newer opened up throat geometry so it should feed anything you put in it. The only problem I had was the rear sight coming loose. I had that staked in place. >Springfield Operator in 9mmHas fed thousands of rounds perfectly. It’s a Wilson/Nowlin ramped gun so it should feed anything. It’ll cycle +P+ 9BPLE no problem. This one will work with the dogshit Wilson Combat 9mm magazines. >1979 vintage 9mm ColtUnramped barrel. Won’t round hollow points like HSTs or Winchester Ranger. Conical hollow points like Critical Duty or XTPs are good to go. Wilson Combat feed lips are too tall. It works perfectly with Megcar, Chip McCormick, and Metalform magazines. >Dan Wesson SpecialistZero problems As long as you’re putting grease or good oil on the frame rails you shouldn’t have an issue with 99% of 1911s.
>>64876987>>Nighthawk CustomkekThere's a guy in HG who has sent his $4,000 nighthawk back to them like 3 times and it still doesn't work right
>>64876830If you aren't a 60 year old autist you shouldn't get a 1911, it's the classic "just build the entire gun bro" shenanigans PSA poorfags do. If you want a fun 45 that actually works get a convertible ruger blackhawk
>>64876830Never had an issue. I've got surplus and old model 70s so I can't speak to the new models.
>>64877235you've clearly done something to offend the 1911 machine spirit. I had to do a little tinkering on my tisas (profiled extractor + adjusted tension and replaced slide release) to get it 100% reliable but even my dogshit $275 CD 1911 is reliable after break-in.
>>64876877>I think I might just stop buying them altogether.Why not just stop buying cheap ones?
>>64877130(You) don't get to say anything about being soiled, Ahmed. Post your guns.
>>64876830Fucking troll thread getting this much traction is sad.
>>64876830My parents got me a 1911 for Christmas at 13. I quickly realized they were unreliable shitters. I don't know why it would take you so long to figure it out.
>>64877443>posting images of guns on an image board is BAD okay?
>>64877235>this isn't bait.>buys three decent guns out of fourteenI have a Kimber that runs better than every 1911 you own. My friend has two TRPs one WC, two Staccatos and an RIA 10mm. The only one that doesn't run is the RIA. This is either a bait thread or you are the most unlucky bastard that has ever lived.
And that's why the best single stack .45 is the P220.
>>64878288HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*deep breath*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>64876830i have a 1911 i have had for 20 years, though i load it hot and scoop the ass end of the lead out. i have never had any problems.
>>64878247OP here, I wish this was a bait thread.I really, REALLY want a reliable 1911.
>>64878326There are 2 kinds of 1911 owner>I've had mine for 20 years with 0 issues>I've had 20 1911s with 100 issues
>>64878306
>>64878349yeah probably true, not gonna lie though i did a lot of custom work to mine, thanks to my grandfather.he was a gunsmith... lmfao.
nogun retard here. Can't most of these problems be solved by filing down certain components enough? Or lube?
>>64878401If a 1911 doesn’t work for any reason, there is something wrong with it, the original 1911 in the year 1911 went 6000 rounds without a single stoppage or malfunction. Things as simple as >extractor tension (common) >ejector bent/wrong>feedramp angle >barrel fit >barrel throat >lock up not right >slide stop >sear spring tensions not right (the three pronged leaf spring)>slide cycling speed >magazine related >ammo (bullet nose and OAL) >incompatible spirit My Wilson Combat has gone thousands of rounds without any real issue, I had magazine issues with a chip McCormick mag and the PMC .45 ACP JHPs since they have a super short OAL compared to standard ammo.
>>64878401>>64878426I remember watching an old vice (or similar docu) about ghost guns and some mexicans in a shitshack were making 1911s and firing them so the design must be pretty reliable.
>>64878443Philippians
>>64876830>somehow managed to have over a dozen jams in 100 rounds.That's like police service pistol.
>>64876830>>NorincoWhy would you even? Wha?
>>64876834Did that guy blow his shit smoov off or is just retarded and then posted it?
>>64878459Norinco 1911s aren't even all that bad, just roughly machinedHere in Yurop they used to be popular among people looking to pimp out a 1911 but who also didn't want to ruin a Colt
>>64878345Just go buy a decent one and make sure to hose it down with oil. Your post is the equivalent of saying “my PSA dagger, Ruger RXM, and Anderson Kiger all had issues. Glocks are ass”
>>64878480>just roughly machinedYeah, that's kinda the problem with fast moving parts. There are many guns that are an engineering disaster, but Norinco might be the only one that gives clear visual warning signs.It looks like cast resin.
>>64878480The original ones that were imported to the U.S. were made out of retardedly hard steel, artillery barrel steel, which makes them sort of sought out. gunsmiths refuse to do any machining work on them due to them ruining tooling due to the hardness.
>>648784916/14 of them were over $1,000 and American madeWhat brand would you recommend?
>>64878536Springfield, Ruger, and S&W are known for their customer service, not their outstanding manufacturing. Colt is known for having made good stuff decades ago. Not for doing anything good currently (they might improve now that CZ bought them out).
>>64878536Did you ever call anyone at those companies to fix the gun or even try to diagnose the issues? Every malfunction has a cause.
Automatics were a mistake. We should have stuck with the Colt SAA revolver.
>>648768301911's just aren't your platform Dawgs.I could tell you the RIA's, Tisas' and springers I've shot have been generally g2g but IMO you should stop trying and just buy a fucking HK USP.If you can't stop Won't stop, try a 2011 or one of the product improved 9mm 1911-a-likes like the Star and abandon .45 in that platform. CZ-97 is a good choice
>>64878665*Star's or Astra's
>>64878637Revolvers were a mistake, we should have stuck with the Volcanic
>>64878622Yes on both the colts.The series 70 colt they couldn't fix after 2 years.The Ruger went in to be fixed twice, but still jammed.The S&W was allegedly fixed, but it was such a massive safety issue that I sold it without ever shooting it again, so idk if it was fixed or not.Of the two springfields, I sent 1 back to be fixed, and they mutilated the trigger pull.Never bothered sending the other back, just sold them both.I've sent 1911s to be worked on more times than I can count, but at least 18 times, and still have 0 reliable 1911s to show for it.
>>64878665I've tried a USP, but the thumb safety is in a really retarded position, and I can't shoot it without the safety nailing me on the bone of my thumb.Same thing with the FNX 45, actually.It's physically painful to shoot even half a mag, unless I take my thumb entirely off of the gun.
>>64878448Spics are literally hapas and no rebranding from Spaniards will change that.
>>64878678You can go LEM or (lol) normal DAO on the USP 45 and ditch the safety entirely. I had the same issue with the safety as I ride high, I swapped it for the USP compact's safety and switched from v1 to decock only (SIG manual of arms) alongside other trigger mods like the SRT and the match spring.It's perfect now. You can also get it to 14 rounds with a +2 extension that is pretty minimal size wise
>>64876830>Has issues with 1911s being reliable>Orders more and more shitty 1911s>Why are they all so unreliable!?!?Yea, but a DW next time or better and actually follow the break in.
>>64878694It's just him man, everyone has gun quirks, like I'm allergic to P320's and their ancestor P250's. I get severe revulsion when I see one
>>64878691To add you can also go SAFF/FIRE with no decocker for the 1911 manual of arms.LEM is best if your down in striker fired town
>>64878691>>64878705This also applies to the HK45 (except no DAO option) but don't do that unless you go for the compact as you gimp yourself to 10 rounders
>>64878691It looks like H&K isn't make USPs in .45 anymore?They're sold out literally everywhere.
anyone dumb enough to buy 4 different piles of turkshit is obviously too stupid to tie his own shoes, let alone get a gun to work.
>>64878770True, he could have grabbed the money from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Tisas to send the first one to a gunsmith and make it run well. Tisas does kind of suck, but no one buys Turkshit expecting it to work perfectly out of the box.
>>64878786All I ever hear from people who buy Tisas is "Mine's 100% gtg bro! 10,000,000 rounds with 0 jams!Best value 1911 there is!!"The results seem to bear out a much different reality.
>>64876830I’ve never owned a 1911, I don’t even think I’ve ever shot one, but from what I’ve HEARD (on this board of course) when it comes to 1911 reliability, you’re either gonna have to spend a few Gs on a Gucci brand, or you need to buy a cheap entry level brand. For some reason middle tier 1911s just AREN'T reliable. I think the logic is that Gucci brand 1911s are made well enough to be reliable, whereas the entry level poor brands are made with cheaper, loose tolerances, the way the original 1911 was intended to run. For those wondering my only semi auto handgun is an M9, so feel free to let me have it for insulting the holy creation of Lord Browning himself.
>>64878694Whenever I look up Dan Wesson, half the posts are glazing them, half are saying theirs had issues.That's way too much cash to drop for a gun that doesn't always run flawlessly out of the box.Especially with how many reliable $500 guns exist.
>>64878770In my defense, I buy a couple dozen guns per year, and have been doing so for over a decade, so it's easy to make the same mistakes more than once.
>>64878794>The results seem to bear out a much different reality.I agree, Tisas sucks. Hence me calling it "Turkshit.">>64878804>you need to buy a cheap entry level brand. For some reason middle tier 1911s just AREN'T reliable.The cheap entry-level brands aren't reliable either. Both the low-end and the mid-range ones usually need to be worked on.>>64878806>Especially with how many reliable $500 guns exist.This is a good point. 1911s appeal to collectors (who think they are cool) and to competition shooters (who will pay any amount of money to have an advantage, and the 1911 platform has an amazing trigger). Why bother trying to get one for practical reasons nowadays when there are options that work well for less money?
>>64878829Out of curiosity, what .45 handgun that isn't a 1911 would you recommend?
>>64877199what crack are you smoking, nigger? jam marks?
>>64878885I have shot:1. A USP in .45 > INB4 "ew the anime gun, go away weeb"Fair enough2. A beretta PX4 in .45>INB4 "The rotating barrel makes it a bad suppressor host."Fair enough.3. A Kahr P45>INB4 "Ew, budget gun, are you poor?"Yes, I am. 4. A Springfield XD in .45>INB4 "EW, you couldn't even buy a Glock."I rented this one before buying the Kahr; it worked well, but the Kahr also worked well and was cheaper.5. An old Colt M1911A1This one belongs to my dad, and I know my sister will be the one to inherit it. She's the favorite, as she gave my dad grandchildren, while I have not; and yes, my dad's Colt worked fine even though I don't trust the current Colt; he bought his before I was born.I have not shot the Glock 21 (the gun that was originally in .45 GAP, but then Glock developed common sense and made it in .45 ACP) nor the FNX-45 (the friend who owns the USP and PX4 told me his worked reliably, but it felt like cheap plastic, so he sold it before I met him). I'll be honest, I liked all of the ones I shot (I would love a USP and a Beretta PX4), but seeing as how the only one I own is the cheap Kahr (all the other ones were from friends letting me try their guns at the range), my limited experience with the cartridge makes it hard for me to recommend one even though they all worked reliably in the short time I used them. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Have you considered getting a PCC in .45 and putting a suppressor on it?
>>64878722They do batches every year of the standard and expert, and there are plenty on the used market
>>64878794It's worth dealing with issues that occur because its entirely forged, most 1911's need finessing anyway. You could buy any number of American brands in the sub $1500 category that might have better fit and finish (SIG, Springfield, SW) but the MIM'd parts will fail
>>64878985NTA but the steel that Tisas uses is soft, so it’s not like their machined slide stop is equivalent to a EGW one
>buys turkshit, mimshit, rugershit, islandmonkeyshit 1911s>they're all unreliable!!1!No, you're just poor. Get yourself an ed brown, Wilson, nighthawk, les baer, or alchemy. Then get a shitload off tripp research magazines and stfu.
Gotta build your own or just fuck with a single 1911 until you know it inside and out. Learn how everything works together and how to fix one thing at a time. For 14 1911's to go through your hands and not work is some fucking witchcraft for sure. Get a good one or parts one out and make a build/disassemble/fixit thread. There is enough cumulative knowledge between anons here to rival the Kuhnhausen book.
JMB’s ghost must like me or something because every 1911 I have owned has been as reliable as every Glock or Beretta I have owned. They just werk. I’m with Paul Harrel on this one. 1911 is fine.
>>64879043It's less that I'm poor, and more that I just have an actual addiction to buying guns. (I buy a couple dozen a year.)And unfortunately, buying expensive guns like fine lugers and DEagles doesn't give me much more dopamine than just buying a cheap turkish gun.
>>64879241My hobby is shopping for guns, you can get a nighthawk (okay maybe 2.5) or Wilson or Les Baer for like 2k or less
>>64876853OP absolutely rekt.
>>64877199Those are jelly marks, fucking retard.
>>64876830What? The 100 year old gun design has been improved upon?
>>64876854He has really small hands
>>64879241Maybe try buying decent ones. I used to be like you, hundreds of 300 to 700$ shit guns. Im much much happier with 2 or 3 very high quality examples of particular platforms I enjoy.
>>64879003Of course not and you should expect to replace shit just like on any mid to low tier 1911 (and some high tier ones).You're walking away with everything forged, everything. The problems with MIM'd parts in 1911's is well documented and major US manufacturers are still doing it.
>>64876830I have a Ballester Molina and cheap Chinese mags and it eats any FMJ I feed it. I also have a RIA entry GI with WCP mags and same story. You might just be a faggot, OP. Hold the gun like a man and I bet it cycles reliably.
>>64878915Your not fooling anyoneWe can see you jam marks loud and clear
>>64876880Remington Rand, Singer, Husqvarna, Colt before 1950. The best 1911 I have ever had was a 1918 manufacture date Colt. It was one of the crude "black Army" pistols, and still shot better and was more reliable than any other 1911 I've shot. Never had any malfunction whatsoever, and I shot it a lot, at least 200 rounds every time I went shooting.
>>64879702Are the Ballester Molina worth getting? I asked 3 times on /hg/ and nobody anser, bunch of metrosexual beretta posters
>>64880552Why buy a copy of the 1911 when you can just buy a 1911 you homosexual anti American communist?
>>64876830>buys 14 shitty meme gunslmao
>>64878885Love my G21 gen 5 a lot, my favorite .45. that being said I'm not a huge fan of HK controls(I got bigger hand and like a high and tight grip), 1911s are skinnier in the grip than I like. G21 eats up recoil very well, gen 5 has a surprisingly decent trigger, relatively slick controls enable my wandering hands.
>>64880552>metrosexual beretta postersThis perfectly describes that faggot-ass general. I've posted other handguns there and it's always:>not a Beretta>is it better than a Beretta? >I love my BerettaOP I have a 2010 production Taurus 1911 and it's been good to me. That was around the time they introduced their 1911 so I reckon they put a lot more work into it then. It has gold/bronze inlay on the lettering/numbering. There is so much competition now they probably don't care as much.
>>64880606But I'm from Argentina!
>>64880800What kind of Argentinian are you?
>>64880849B-buenos Aires
>>64880856Buenos dias muchacha-lata!
>>64880856Do you say "Kill em all?"
>>64877130Post guns. -oh wait! LOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>64877130>snaggletoothed Brit >neighborhood is all paki rapists and pajeet street shitters >gets arrested for talking about it on social media >gets arrested for owning a butter knife in your home >seek out firearms forum so you can cope and seethe about your jealousy of Americans Must be tough, innit!
>>64881124OI GAB THAT TO ME MUG M8 NOT ONLINE AND SEE WHAT BECOMES OF ET!!!
>>64880616Yeah, I have a problem.
>>64877542I agree. I run a Taurus 1911 that eats anything I feed it, and my buddy owns a Philippines made one that is dead on reliable as well.Keep it clean and keep it lubed, like you should with all guns, and it'll work.
>>64878985obsession with forged parts is some /arg/ stupidity that's leaked to the rest of the board. caspian frames are cast and tons of great pistols have been built using them. some of the strongest actions on the market are made with cast parts.
>>64882743I think it's more of a forged vs mim thing than forged vs cast.
>>64882779who is even making forged small parts? egw, wilson, ed brown, harrison design, cylinder and slide, and all the other aftermarket ones I can think of are all machined.
>>64882814Tisas, apparently.
>>64878349>There are 2 kinds of 1911 ownerYeah, the one kind are clueless mutherfuckers who take their guns to the range once per year and blame any malfunctions on themselves because they know perfectly well that they can't shoot anyway. The other kind are people who say it as it is.
>>64882779>mim bad because it reminds me of india!>cast good because it remines me of die-cast cars which i liked as a kid!
>>64876830The official story was that they should be able to reliably feed FMJs. And no one figured out yet how to make them work with other bullets. Do FMJs work with yours? If yes then you have no basis for complains. Or, this is the official cope at least.
>>64880325Also STI (now Staccato) used to make good 1911 pistols. I have STI Spartan, which has been working quite well after copleting break-in period of some 300 rounds and some friends who appear to been happy with theirs as well.
>>64882743>cast and tons of great pistols have been built using them.Yes. Good designs have been made from cast parts.>some of the strongest actions on the market are made with cast parts.No. Cast can be good enough if used properly; that doesn't make them better than something that was forged properly.>>64882814>who is even making forged small parts?Some companies will grab forged steel and machine it, making it billet steel; Korth revolver internals and Spohr revolver internals are made this way. Guns using forged steel are either worth thousands of dollars or were made using slave labor (or both).>>64882932>mim bad>cast goodThey are somewhat similar; the problem isn't just that process; it's bad QC at every level. You could use MIM or cast metal for a part, but if it's improperly heat treated or hardened, it's going to fail.
>>64884039a ruger redhawk is made out of cast parts. it will tank loads that will grenade a forged s&w. >grab forged steel and machine it, making it billet steelwhere do you even get this shit? billet means it was machined out of a block, not a forging.
>>64884099>a ruger redhawk is made out of cast parts.and it's frame has to be much thicker to tolerate the same force as a S&W's forged frame.>it will tank loads that will grenade a forged s&w.So this is a bit disingenuous as S&W has no equivalent to the Redhawk. If you wanted to make an "apples-to-apples" comparison, you'd compare Ruger's GP100 to the S&W 686 or Ruger's SP101 to the S&W model 60. BTW, S&W does not have forged internals (only its frame is forged); it has MIM internals, so it is much more similar to Ruger's cast internals than you think.>>64884099>it was machined out of a blockThat block can be made out of many different kinds of steel, including forged steel.
>>64883004OP here, I only ever shoot FMJs in .45I don't even own JHPs, wadcutters, ect. in that caliber.
>>64884132ok but it's cast and it works so there's nothing inherently bad about cast parts. the ruger no 1 is also cast and will shoot literally anything you can chamber it in.>That block can be made out of many different kinds of steel, including forged steel.again where do you even get this shit? show me actual proof that any company is using forged bars as blanks instead of cold rolled.
>>64884206>it's cast and it works so there's nothing inherently bad about cast parts.Of course. I never said otherwise. If you said:>"Cast is good enough"Then yes, It can be good enough when done properly. When done improperly, you get the gun "grenading itself" (remember the Bersa Thunder guns that kept blowing up; they had cast metal slides that weren't thick enough nor processed well). I was merely correcting the point:>"cast metal is better/stronger than forged."Which is not true at all.
>>64884206>show me actual proof that any company is using forged bars as blanks instead of cold rolled.My bad for ignoring this; the microstructure of cold-rolled steel (and hot-rolled steel) is much more similar to hammer-forged metal than cast metal.
>>64884193>OP here, I only ever shoot FMJs in .45For anyone getting into 1911s. Look into Hornady Critical Defense or Critical Duty ammo. Polymer tip hollow points were designed for guns that struggle to feed regular JHP, so you can get JHP performance and FMJ reliability out of your 1911.
>>64884193>OP here, I only ever shoot FMJs in .45I fire JHPs out of my (colt) commander without any issues. I can't remember what bullet they are as they're a stock of handloads from years ago, thougheverbeit
>>64876830>4x TisasTrusting turkshit was your first mistake>NorincoSame as above, cant trust the chinksCant speak for the rest. I tried a SIG 1911 once and that was the biggest piece of shit I ever shot, jammed almost every single shot.>2x ColtBought one myself recently here in CZ and had to get it fixed under warranty because the rear sight got loose and started moving left/right after I took it to the range the first time. The mag it came with was not the best and caused the gun to jam frequently. Got a second original mag and this one is ok. Since then it has mostly run smoothly but still jams roughly once every 100 shots.As far as Colts go - you better manually inspect multiple guns at the store and pick one you find the best, they do tend to differ a bit, some might have some flaws, etc.Sincere apologies on behalf of all czechanons, we failed to fix Colt. Turns out we are just as greedy as ameribros and the jews.
>>64876874This is true for any firearm really. Militaries care way less about accuracy than about making sure the damn thing will fire even when the gun has been beat to shit, poorly maintained, and maybe caked in dirt. But civilians care more about how tight their groups are when shooting from a bench at an unmoving paper target. You want your gun to be exceptionally reliable? It's not going to be too accurate, simple as.
>>64884251Can confirm the Hornady Critical Defense with the small plastic tip are the only ones that feed reliably. Everything else I tried jammed 70% of the time.
>>64884220I said that there are guns made out of castings that are stronger than guns made out of forgings which is completely true.
>>64884409>I said that there are guns made out of castings that are stronger than guns made out of forgingsYou used the S&W vs. Ruger example, and the example was found to be incorrect 3 different ways. Let me remind you... >>64884132>Ruger frames have to be much thicker to be the same strength as S&W frames.>You did not compare two equivalent revolvers.>S&W uses MIM internals.So that point of yours still remains to be proven. On the other hand, I can always point out that a forged Walther PPK is stronger than a cast Bersa Thunder despite being the same design (see, two equivalent guns, no cherry-picking).
>>64876846>I REALLY like the way they ftf/fte/ftl/doob
>>64884422it doesn't matter that you don't think they're equivalent guns. a super redhawk is objectively a stronger action than a model 29. mim has nothing to do with it either since no one is making guns with mim frames.
>>64876898your skills at frame picking suck dick
>>64884280>we failed to fix Coltit's not your fault. they don't want to be fixed.
>>64876987EXCEPT... no.
>>64884437 >>64884437>it doesn't matter that you don't think they're equivalent guns. a super redhawk is objectively a stronger action than a model 29.One was designed for hunters to use ammo they bought off the shelf, and the other was made specifically for handloaders who don't give a shit about SAAMI specs. Now hold both side by side and answer a very simple question: is the frame the same thickness in both of them? The answer is no; anyone with eyes can see that the Ruger has a much thicker frame because if the frames were the exact same size, the cast metal gun would be weaker than the forged gun.>mim has nothing to do with it either since no one is making guns with mim frames.Oh, so I was right to call you disingenuous. We are talking about the materials used to make guns. The conversation was never exclusively about frames. You said...>>64882743>obsession with forged parts is some /arg/ stupidity that's leaked to the rest of the board. caspian frames are cast and tons of great pistols have been built using them. some of the strongest actions on the market are made with cast parts.>some of the strongest actions... in response to... >>64878985>It's worth dealing with issues that occur because its entirely forged, most 1911's need finessing anyway. You could buy any number of American brands in the sub $1500 category that might have better fit and finish (SIG, Springfield, SW) but the MIM'd parts will fail>the MIM'd parts will fail... so trying to focus on frames now is basically moving the goalpost.
>>64884484>the other was made specifically for handloaders who don't give a shit about SAAMI specsif castings were fundamentally bad like /arg/ brainrot claims why would they use it for such a design? mim has nothing to do with your obsession with forging because no parts of a 1911 that are produced with mim would be made out of forgings in any case.
>>64884826>if castings were fundamentally bad like /arg/ brainrot claims why would they use it for such a design?Why does Ruger use cast metal? because it's inherently cheaper than using forged metal. That does not change the fact that the frame had to be thicker to not "grenade itself." Have you even shot a revolver? People who own Rugers and S&Ws know this info. Hell, forget gun owners; ask any metalworker, whether it's a blacksmith making kitchen knives (they know a lot about forged stuff) or a foundry worker (they know a lot about cast metal), and they'll tell you that forged steel has a uniform grain structure, enhancing strength and toughness, while cast steel solidifies with a random, coarse grain structure, and its strength can't match forged steel.>your obsession with forgingAnon, the only one here obsessed is you. I stated a fact and am apparently wasting time communicating with a brick wall; you have 0 proof that cast steel is stronger than forged steel. Literally everyone who's ever worked on metal disagrees with you. No matter how many times I explain to you the simple fact that the Ruger's frame HAS TO BE THICKER, THE ENGINEERS AT RUGER KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEIR FRAMES MUST BE BULKIER AND CAN'T BE THE SAME SIZE AS THEIR COMPETITORS', you still choose to be ignorant. I made it a bit larger to see if you can read it this time.
>>64884885>you have 0 proof that cast steel is stronger than forged steel.I never claimed this. you keep trying to twist the argument towards this direction because it's your justification for why you think forging is better than other manufacturing methods. I claimed that there are guns made out of castings that are stronger than guns made out of forgings, which is objective truth. ruger no1s are good guns. there are tons of good 1911s that have been built on cast frames. trying to argue that turkshit is better than a caspian just because they claim that it was made from a forging is lunacy.
>>64884941>I never claimed this.>>64882743>some of the strongest actions on the market are made with cast parts.Pick one. By the way, don't think we forgot that your first comment specifically mentioned actions, but then you moved the goalpost to frames once you knew you were dead wrong (part of the action includes the internals you backtracked and claimed weren't relevant later in >>64884437 and >>64884826; the action is the part of the gun containing the moving parts involved in loading and firing ammunition and expelling the spent cartridges). >trying to argue that turkshit is better than...Nobody in this entire thread was making that claim, you imbecile.
>>64885012so are you trying to deny that rugers are among the strongest actions or that they're made from castings? how many times do I have to tell you that small parts like sears and safety levers have never been forgings and were always machined from bar stock before mim was invented.
>>64876830stop teacupping and limp wristing
>>64885050That's not true at all.Colt milled their small parts from forged blanks since the early 1800's. Other manufacturers did the same. It saves a ton of money on wastage.
I had an army surplus one from the korean war era and never had problems with it. Maybe the new ones just suck
>>64876830It's a 100 year old design, of course it's going to have issues.
>>64878672i think america just hates you bro
>>64885300The only other handgun I've had reliability issues with was a Desert Eagle.Sent it back to Magnum Research, and now it runs so well you can 1-hand it without limpwristing it.>>64885427RIP
>>64876880Try and get a (meu)SOC or an Ed Brown Jr.
You sure you're not just limp wristing, OP?
