Personal Protective Equipment:1. what vest do you recommend?2. what helmet do you recommend?3. aux or misc recommendations?I just want to be safe out there in a SHTF scenario. I'm thinking I don't need an AR-15 like the rest of the schmucks, I need protection and a bug-out bag to escape and evade.image not related. Thank you.
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>>64879028Flak vest. It is a proven fact you're far more likely to be killed by shrapnel than small arms, so getting something like an Interceptor or PASGT is covering like 90% of your torso and also protecting you from pistol rounds and (to an extent) stabbing absolutely free. Helmets don't really matter since they're all the same protection and only meant for shrapnel as well.With all that your chance of dying is 50/50. Plates would make it 60/40.
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>>64879094>Helmets don't really matter since they're all the same protection and only meant for shrapnel as well.UHMWPE and to a much lesser extent kevlar have saved people from being headshotted with rifle rounds from a long distance.On another note bumb helmets including cheap skate and construction helmets are a great piece of gear and protect your head from random bumps, hits with blunt weapons and thrown objects/rocks while being really lightweight so it's a good idea to keep one if you're not planning on getting a ballistic helmet that might be too heavy, expensive or uncomfortable for you to wear for a long time.
>>64879028Reminder that rifle plates will not save your life if you don't have access to timely professional medical care, they only prevent you from being being killed within seconds by shots to your vitals but shots outside of that tiny area are still extremely likely and will lead to a slow, excruciating death even if you manage to wrangle a tourniqet onto your limb correctly.>inb4 you're a glowie for pointing out this delusiona and an antigunner that wants to take my armor awayTake a 10 mile hike with the armor plus all your bug out kit at a hurried pace, fatty, then feel free to LARP however you'd like.
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>>64879142I think against blunt force riot helmets would be better compared to a hard hat, since even though they preform the same against force most of the time, riot helmets have padding and extra coverage.good point though.
>>64879094>InterceptorI second this, soft armor is more important. and the IBA an still take plates if you want them.
>>64879028In my personal opinion a kevlar vest is a better idea than hard ceramic plates, I'd go as far to say kevlar would be necessary in any potential unrest scenario. They're far lighter and easier to walk around with, plus- despite what the memes and gun media wants to believe- you're way more likely to encounter someone with a 9mm or 22 than someone armed with a rifle>but I wanna fight the governmentRifles and armor won't do that. Learn from the IRA, the Taliban, and the Ukes, there are few counters to IEDs, especially ones that are hidden or can move quickly
>>64879164cope, if they were useless there wouldn't be millions of the things. If you have a problem with weight you just get lighter ones.>inb4 if i say it's a psyop other people won't call it out as a psyop even though lol it's aktsually a psyop
>>64879195The issue is that the threshold to encounter a rifle is very low and IIIA and below will do nothing for you against rifle threats.People in this thread and elsewhere have a strawman idea of plates where the only ones that exist are eight pounds and are meant to stop hardened steel core .300 winmag. Buy a pair of sub-3lb PE plates and you're in business against basic lead core rifle threats for not that much scratch. Stick them in a BALCS or other soft armor carrier of your choice. Now you're prepared for a lot more situations than basic soft armor alone. They won't stop everything, but that's not the point.
>>64879199>if they were uselessthe strawman is coperefer to my post about that 10 mile hike, fatty
>>64879212There's some pretty serious projection if two 2.2lb plates make you incapable of going on a hike. What the hell happened to everybody with a pair of ESAPIs and side plates in the military? Did they all immediately stroke out?
>>64879222>muh projectionanother phase of fat larper cope>What the hell happened to everybody with a pair of ESAPIs and side plates in the military?you're not in the military and can't carry yourself up the stairs without running out of breath.
>>64879194Based dick plate. Keep the kids safe.>>64879195>Learn from the IRA, the Taliban, and the UkesI always bring up terrorism when people in person talk about "we gotta fight the gov't". A lot easier to leave a backpack full of explosives somewhere over getting into a gunfight.
Alright, so this "let's cargo cult Ukraine because a poor, desperate country in Europe up against a rotted out husk of the soviet not-war machine 100% represents whatever fictional scenario I have in my head" thread is off to an interesting start.Pic related is every currently-manufactured plate by Hesco except for a few specialty models. Some of them are very light, some of them are very heavy. They're meant for different threats and situations, as most things are.
>>64879225>nu uh, your projection is my projection! muh projection!Guaranteed you play arma and you think that makes you some kind of tactical ace.Post mile time.
>>64879228>protective products internationalOutstanding taste.
>>64879232>and you think that makes you some kind of tactical acesays the fat larper harping about projections, lmao.
>>64879237>he doesn't deny that he plays the incel glowie groomer milsimgrim.
>>64879239>he doesn't deny my retarded accusationsyou don't deny that you're a pathetic fat slob that needs a cart to move around town.
> 100 plates and helmets will not save your no gun ass from getting raped by the schmuck with the ar
>>64879244I run a 6:02 mile.Fucking hilarious how there are these shut-in die hards who think it's 1992 and plates are memeshit that doesn't work. Yeah, newsflash, everybody and their dog can get an ARP these days and M855 even out of a 7" chode brake barrel will clear IIIA three times over.There is a time and a place for IIIA, absolutely, but if you don't at least keep a pair of decent plates around you're just asking for trouble.
>>64879228>Based dick plateimo it's the most underrated piece of armor. it covers a lot and doesn't get in the way like some may think.>A lot easier to leave a backpack full of explosives somewherevery true.
>>64879254Statistically if you're in a kinetic shootout your forearms are also at risk. If they're struck it's a lot harder to use a firearm (duh no shit). Makes sense to run at least IIIA there, along with the dick (Ukies are using 8x10 Hesco plates for cock protection sometimes now) if frag is a serious issue. Femorals however take priority since you'll bleed a lot faster if they're taken out than versus your arms.
>>64879249>Fucking hilarious how there are these shut-in die hards who think it's 1992 and plates are memeshit that doesn't workthey work, in the limited cases where they are applicable, i.e. only hits into the plate or the timely medical care for wounds elsewhere. if you think they turn you into an invincible terminator you're deeply mistaken.>Yeah, newsflash, everybody and their dog can get an ARP these days and M855 even out of a 7" chode brake barrel will clear IIIA three times over.there's a lot less utility in IIIA in a civil conflict dominated by small arms than in a warzone shelled by arttillery, mortar and grenade blasts.>but if you don't at least keep a pair of decent plates around you're just asking for trouble.keep them around but make sure you are able and willing to actually carry them along with your essential gear when bugging out comfortably, unless you're keeping them for the standoff scenario with glowies raiding your house and hoping they'll give you a few seconds of reaction time to blast one or two more of them as they jump into your room to take them with you or something.
>>64879264true, bet there reaches a point where you can't move anymore. I think the way I have my vest setup is the best (at least for me) compromise of protection and movement.
>>64879276>if you think they turn you into an invincible terminator you're deeply mistaken.Agreed. That's a weird strawman position that nobody takes except ironically the 60 year old fudds who think AR500 steel makes them the T-1000.>unless you're keeping them for the standoff scenario with glowies raiding your houseAlso a strawman position that nobody really takes except, again, ironically the 60 year old fudds with the AR500 they can barely walk around in. If the glowies are sending a kill squad to your house they'll know you have plates and will just do what they did at Waco. Asspull a special kind of AP that beats your armor twice over so your plates are basically irrelevant, assuming they don't just blow your house up at 2:30 in the morning with you inside and blame it on a gas line.>there's a lot less utility in IIIA in a civil conflict dominated by small arms than in a warzone shelled by arttillery, mortar and grenade blasts.Agreed. Nobody does it, but you CAN run plates under 0.6" covertly. You're down a lot on coverage versus concealment or BALCS-cut soft but if you're genuinely facing nothing but ARPs and glocks running weird shit like Liberty 50gr it's your only shot.
>>64879282It's all very situational. A lot of people here are buying armor envisioning some kind of boog or SHTF scenario. A lot of people are doing the same. A lot of people are just putting thousands of dollars into guns, thermals, gear, night vision, and not doing anything else.If those scenarios take place, tactical timmy with no food but a $4,000 thermal on a $2,000 gun is going to be real pissed and real desperate. If he's camped up in the woods next to your house and pegs you like that one Taliban video where some dude solos six guys effortlessly because thermal, IIIA won't help. Won't do a damn thing.Now if that's not the case and we're just looking at South Africa 2.0, you're not going to be running around getting groceries in a pair of Hesco T212s. That's over eight pounds and you'll look pregnant unless you walk around like trenchcoat mafia in July looking all out of place. IIIA could be useful, but it's cope if rule of law is shitty and clowns are literally walking around with ARPs down their pants.Point is, there is no one size fits all solution. Mission dictates armor.
>>64879254benis blate :DDDDD>>64879264>>64879282The parts you ought to focus on covering are the chest and thighs, where most of your organs and blood is.
>>64879297That's doctrinal. Let's play a scenario. You get shot by a guy at ten yards with #4 Buck out of a shotgun. You were about to shoot him, so your arms are raised and are "presented" in front of your chest armor. Your forearms are exposed. Ten inch spread for the buck at ten yards or whereabouts, your arms get pegged several times and your soft vest + plates eats the rest. Your arms are fucked up enough you cannot use your gun. Functionally you've become retarded.A pair of IIIA forearm protectors is well under 1.6lb and while bulky would have bailed you out there. So would a small hand shield. So would using cover better, but that's history. The absence of forearm armor means the fight was lost.
>>64879295>Point is, there is no one size fits all solution. Mission dictates armor.yes, that's why I like the IBA (or equivalent). I can use my plates if I need them, run it with just soft armor if I don't, or just not wear the vest at all because I'm trekking thought the woods or larping.
>>64879314Genius!I on the other hand use a Tasmanian Tiger vest with a pair of IV+ Protech 2230s and IV Hesco 4100 sides, because the only threats I'm facing around my way are rifle threats and if you've kept up on recent hybrid case developments, you'd know M855A1 at 3,400ft/s is on the table and will give weaker armor a serious lot of trouble, including underbuilt Level IVs a lot of people bought into like the Hesco 4403 (see pic rel, it has zero headroom above IV spec).But that's my contingency getup and is excessive for most situations.
>>64879311In that case, oh well. He could've also aimed for my face or knee caps, and disabled me much faster than aiming for my chest. There's always gonna be some Achilles Heel in your armor unless you have power armor. >>64879314>or just not wear the vest at all because I'm trekking thought the woods or larping.I still like to wear my PASGT when I'm at my ranch for the love of the larp, no offense.
>>64879338He could have, but it's all about running chances. In situations where both "blufor" and "redfor" have body armor they still instinctively aim center mass unless failure drills are trained and they're doing dick shots on instinct.Ex #1, Buffalo shooting. Security guard allegedly shot the shooter in the back with a handgun. RMA 1093, a III+ ceramic, absolutely no-sold the pistol bullets. Shooter turned around immediately, unharmed, and killed the guard. Guard should have aimed for the pelvis but he did center mass.Ex #2: Ukraine combat footage. Everywhere I've seen it's you drill the fucker until he gives up, unless you just spam grenades. Inevitably rounds hit outside the plate's coverage area because the plate doesn't actually cover that much, or the plate gives up. Rare for the plate to actually give up unless it sucks or you're using really serious ammo.Downside of "just drill the bitch" is that if he's cracked out and/or adrenalized you'll risk just trading kills because even a dude with a fully destroyed heart has enough blood in the brain to last fifteen seconds or so. He's got more time if it's the femorals. Downside of most AP ammo is that the terminal ballistics are garbage and exsanguination will take longer due to smaller permanent cavity diameter. Upside is that if you pen the plate you're hitting the juicy "no return" bits that'll take him out faster.
>>64879338>I still like to wear my PASGT when I'm at my ranch for the love of the larp, no offense.none taken. I just prefer to not wear armor if I don't need to. speaking of which, I need to get a skull crusher for my night vision, because if I want to use it I have to wear my helmet.
>>64879363>I need to get a skull crusher for my night visionSupposedly they're all uncomfortable from what I've heard. If you do get one just get the surplus ones, but I can't really speak on it since mine are attached to a tanker helmet and aren't modern NODs (tanker helmet is pretty comfy I will say tho)
>>64879190As an owner of multiple hard hats and riot helmets, hard hats are much more comfortable and don't limit your perception, a bike helmet would be even better. You'd rather have a steel pot helmet than have to wear a riot helmet regularly.
>>64879286>That's a weird strawman position that nobody takes except ironically the 60 year old fudds who think AR500 steel makes them the T-1000.Isn't that what OP is implying though?
>>64882492No?People need to look at plates with precision unlike some of the all or nothing binary thinking that makes me think there are bots here. Buy a IIIA vest. Buy a pair of light plates to go in the vest which cover M855A1 and M80. I suggest Protech 2120-5s. There you go, baseline minuteman armor. Add an ACH.
>>64879512Sir it's not the 80s anymore, time to cough up 3k for a PVS-14.
>>64879195>gets shot by a dude with an arp.>Diesok
>>64879094What fucking shrapnel?>>64879028>SHTFYou're more likely to need your CC piece than anything else. SHTF looks like a slow evolution into South Africa, not Ukraine's frontline. Rifle for home defense and hunting and handgun for when you go out. Your society doesn't collapse overnight from being the richest on the planet, it just slowly looks like a thirdie shithole. Unless you already live in a thirdie shithole (low income regions full of blacks), in which case it does downgrade to Nigeria tier. If you live like this already then you can't afford plates or armor and should fucking move.>BOBJust buy any random cheap hiking ruck and fill it with the usual hiking gear + first aid shit. If you actually are into outdoors activities then buy a nice ruck. Total collapse like what you're imagining means roads are useless for normal vehicles due to natural disaster or a fire. There's no other scenario where you need to immediately leave in < 15 minutes with 0 time to pack and no vehicle access. Just stop and fucking think for 5 minutes nigger
>>64886011>Gets fragged by a government aligned soldier that has access to an armory>Take a 9mm to the femoral artery>Get a brick dropped on you from 5 stories upYou died in my fantasy scenarios too, how interesting!
The people here saying frag will be the killer CONUS are hallucinating some kind of bomb-making capability that isn't endemic to the US. If clowns knew how to make bombs they would have tried to ambush ICE already with them.
>>64886082>If you live like this already then you can't afford plates or armor and should fucking move.You want people to move (which costs thousands unless you move in with family or skip town and leave everything behind) but are saying they can't afford plates? A bottom barrel but still workable pair (TitanXP, used Protech 2014Gs) is under $250. Add a Yakeda carrier, antifa approved, for $50 with pouches included on Amazon.
>>64886113Effective fragmentation attacks are usually carried out with captured military supplies. One crate missing in an armory could cause a lot of terror. If the ICE protestors were actual revolutionaries they'd be trying to raid National Guard armories that would carry military explosives.
>>64886193and they are not so the prime threat remains armed ruffians with ARPs and M855 that will clear IIIA like butter.Ergo, rifle threats CONUS are still supreme. Active shooters are rolling rifles. Gangbangers "rifles", preppers, rifles, crazy carl in the back, rifles.Soft armor isn't useless, it has major coverage advantages. But you need plates. A BALCS setup is excellent CONUS.
