>be hornady>release what has every right to be a successful cartridge, and a worthy rival to .300 blackout>but oh wait>unlike the .300 blackout it's in a relatively uncommon bore diameter>and you forgot to give it any of the handloading support that .300 blackout got which made it popular (like inexpensive plated bullets for subsonic use)>and there are no cheap milsurp bullet pulls like the .300 blackout also gets>and there isn't much in the way of home lead casting either>you forgot that no one has the money to spend $0.90 at the minimum for 1 (one) round of your meme sub-x bullet which there is no point to anyway because subsonic hunting with a .338 is a meme especially in a platform already offering 450 Bushmaster/458 Socom>one year later, almost total radio silence, except for the SBR that Ruger just released exclusively in .338 ARCIt's kind of sad. I actually liked 338 arc, and it made Kevin Shillingmeme upset which was a bonus. But Hornady really just abandoned it. Why doesn't Hornady come out with a plated bullet line so people can actually afford their otherwise unaffordable meme cartridge?
>>64884351>and a worthy rival to .300 blackoutIt's not though, because .300 BLK is intended for AR-15s and the .338 ARC case head is too large to be safely used with a standard AR-15 bolt.
>>64884351They should have made it in .357
>>64884358>too large to be safely used with a standard AR-15 boltThis myth, which comes from failures of the 6.5 Grendel in its early states, needs to die. We've been running larger bolt faces on AR-15s for a essentially a decade now with no issue. The 338 ARC is limited to ~40k PSI for this reason, but there's no reason it couldn't be bumped up to 60k in non-AR15 actions.
>>64884369>factory ammo only available in cat sneeze loads to prevent exploding ARs>rival to .300 BLKpick one
>>64884375>cat sneeze>175gr bullet going 2,000 fpsthat is comparable from a terminal ballistics standpoint to .300 Blackout, 30-30, or .300 Blackout and is absolutely plenty to kill a man, or for that matter a whitetail deer at any realistic hunting range, which is probably 80% of the medium game hunting done in the US.
>>64884389300 blackout, 30-30 or 7.62x39*
>>64884389.300 BLK can get exactly the same performance without milling your bolt face razor thin.
>>64884430Yes, that's what I said. But the .300 Blackout suffers because subsonics have way too high sectional density for their diameter and the energy is almost guaranteed to be wasted. .338 at least attempts to solve this.
>>64884442And .338 suffers because it presents itself as a rival to a popular AR cartridge but requires you to mangle your bolt if you want to use it in an AR. They should have either used a rebated rim, based it on the .30 Remington case, or not tried to pretend it's an AR cartridge.
>>64884473>mangle your bolt>it's a $50 part swap that takes 1 minute and no toolsSaying the 338 failed because of the bolt face is retarded and you are being dishonest. Once again, larger bolts have worked fine for plenty long with 6.5 grendel, 400 legend, 450bm, 458 socom etc.
.338 ARC is trapped between .300 Blackout, which has a 15 year head start, and .350 Legend, which has a captive market in the straight wall cartridge state hunters. It’s just not compelling enough to replace either, same as how 6mm ARC will never touch 5.56 despite being AR compatible and WAY more potent. More potency past 5.56 and .300BLK isn’t actually necessary unless you’re going after moose or some such. And no one needs to hunt moose with a subsonic suppressed AR-15.
>>64884522once someone makes reliable 20+ round mags for 350 legend it will become defacto the best sbr cartridge
>>64884351>one year later, almost total radio silence, except for the SBR that Ruger just released exclusively in .338 ARCYou forgot about the PSA Mixtape. Which was basically Florida openly mocking Kevin.>>64884369>We've been running larger bolt faces on AR-15s for a essentially a decade now with no issue.The 6.5 Grendel, .224 Valkyrie, 6mm ARC, .338 ARC, etc. all have bolts that are less durable than the standard bolt on the AR-15; the walls on the bolt are so thin that some people opt to shoot these cartridges out of an AR-10 instead (picrel). LWRC made a proprietary upper for the 6.8 SPC II so that that cartridge wouldn't suffer from this, and PSA is doing the same for the .338 ARC.>>64884473>or not tried to pretend it's an AR cartridge.I do agree with this. The AR-15 has held back cartridge development for too long. All we need is a slightly wider upper that can accommodate a larger bolt.
>>64884479I wonder if there's a common feature between all of these failed cartridges? The only one that ever achieved any level of commercial success is 6.5G, and most of the guns chambered in it aren't standard ARs.
>>64884535.224 V and 6.8 SPC aren't nearly as bad as the others, they have like double the bolt thickness.
>>64884554>.224 V and 6.8 SPC aren't nearly as bad as the othersand yet, they were still breaking bolts.
>>64884571Which is why .24 Nosler was always the perfect AR-15 cartridge and it's a crime it never came to market.
.338 arc gives you better performance for subsonics than .300blk and without the retard twist rates of 8.6blk, but it may never catch on because .300blk works ok and already has widespread adoption. I want a high BC, fast twist short action cartridge, but kevin is a double nigger. Likely I'll just have to wildcat something
>>64884351Ammo companies are too retarded to make 556 prices cheaper. For example they can reinstate buying 556 shells from the government training ranges like they used to when it was like 100$ a case free shipping.
>>64884351>Horny Diddy
>>64884580You can buy spent brass from the government right now anon. If you didn't know that, you probably don't know why it's worse than useless for reloading either.
What ever happened to 8.6 Blackout? There was hot buzz for like a week, then vapor
>>64884789Not him, but I wasn't aware and I don't see why it would be so bad. It's just normal boxer primed brass, right?
>>64884351It doesn't have the high twist rate of 8.6 to give it the terminal ballistics gains to justify itself, nor the external ballistics gains to subsonic loads in particularl-- and it's less reload friendly than 338 Razorback/Specter. >>64884358>It's not though, because .300 BLK is intended for AR-15... at 1:5 twist rate. Without which it's an obese pistol caliber PDW.
>>64884833>... at 1:5 twist rate. Without which it's an obese pistol caliber PDW.Sure whatever, but the barrel is literally the only piece you have to change to swap to .300 BLK so you can order whatever twist your heart desires.
>>64884833Does the 8.6 even have terminal ballistics worth mentioning over any other subsonic cartridge?
>>64884857see>>64884818
>>64884857Typical loadings for subs are around 300gr compared to around 200gr for mini action subs. Plus an extra large dose of snake oil.
>>64884358>Safely operate in ARsThen just do it unsafely dude quit being a little bitch
>>64884880I'll just not use an AR, but most other people won't, which is why .338 ARC flopped.
>>64884895I might buy a 338ARC krink from psa, as long as there's a way to tame the port pop
>>64884833>terminal ballistics gains from the twist rateLiteral fake news
>>64884869Seems like no
>>64884895I never intended to use .338 ARC in a gayr-15 either. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised at how non ar compatible cartridges/ builds get very little attention
>>64885913Ar15's are the xbox of american gun culture
>>64884351get you a 30 30 '94 son.. beats the devil outta them new guns.. specialy with a silencer :sunglasses:-Richard Johnson USPS 1975-2010
>>64886071It's dogshit that everyone used to use but is rapidly becoming outdated since people realized they need guns that are specialized for real tasks? Accurate description desu
>>64884821Idk what you guys use but the primer is probably crimped pretty hard
>>64886801It’s not just crimped, it’s ring staked. Still usable, it just sucks to deprime and you need a primer pocket swage if you don’t want to trim away all the brass displaced into the primer pocket by the staking. The real problem is that the brass is frequently stretched by being fired though machine guns with barely functional headspace, auction lots typically include blank brass, plenty have been stepped on and dented, and it’s not clean.So you end up blowing a lot of time sorting out scrap metal and then your case prep stages takes extra effort and puts additional wear on your tools.
I feel compelled to point out that a thread about a cartridge nominally suited for the ar has devolved once again to a conversation about the ar. It's just like going to a bar and asking for literally anything other than an IPA and getting an IPA adjacent beer. Anywho I've been looking into doing a .338 ARC bolt action build. Any anon have experience with this? What were your wants going in and what were the results?
Is there actually a round called .338BBC?
>>64887400No, you're thinking of .300 BBC ACKout.
>>64887390None of my friends have done anything with .338 ARC and I chose .350 Legends over .338 ARC, but here's an article on a bolt action .338 ARC.https://www.recoilweb.com/bca-bolt-action-upper-review-188680.html
>>64884818Gelatin block hunters are a very tiny market.
>>64884818>for when there's a buffalo in the way of the deer you're trying to shoot
>>64884818Most of the hype with anything is from faggots who will NEVER use the shit.
