Why doesn't Ukraine or Russia just mass deploy smoke launchers to cover mechanised assaults?
>hey, what's that big plume of smoke on the horizon?>lemme send a drone to check>holy moly, a whole column of metal?!!>*uncontrollable drone operator erection*
>>64890598They have been, both sides mounted huge smoke mines to drones to drive them ahead of movements.What's up with all the newfags asking about shit we have seen?
>>64890598They use smoke, which is known to work quite well against drones, on a regular basis. By some accounts it is the single most effective countermeasure. It still does not solve the issues for concentrations posed by artillery on the transparent battlefield. Its basically the WW1 Blip problem just with longer ranges. Shit gets blown up en masse long before coming remotely close to the front.
Kill yourself chinkshill
>>64890608>What's up with all the newfags asking about shit we have seen?The question is just noise. The main goal is to spam the chink shit clip
>>64890622Chinks are bragging about smoke launchers?
Smoke doesn't make enemy weapons suddenly not work and you need to deploy it as a proper screen as close to the enemy's view as possible, otherwise you're just giving them a rough idea of where to shoot.
>>64890659>>64890612Smoke artillery rounds would be perfect, but both sides prefer to build and use HE directly instead of using smoke rounds for supporting assaults.
Just as white phosphorus can be used as an incendiary artillery shell, chemical reactions that produce intense smoke are not very practical.
>>64890688Why not use them on enemy positions instead then? It'd be much more effective compared to regular HE artillery shells since you could "gas" the defenders out by mixing some tear gas into It
>>64890598Smoke screens aren’t a free move across the board. In US doctrine, you use smoke to cover the maneuver of a flanking element, breach, or retrograde while another friendly unit suppresses the enemy.Russia doesn’t do tactics, and just sends in meat waves to probe so they can call in IDF
>Unlike most western naval ships that use gas turbines or nuclear power, Admiral Kuznetsov is a conventionally powered ship that uses mazut as a fuel, often leading to a visible trail of heavy black smoke that can be seen at a great distance. Russian naval officials have said that the failure to properly preheat the heavy mazut fuel prior to entering the combustion chamber may contribute to the heavy smoke trail associated with the ship>Mazut is a low-quality heavy fuel oil, used in power plants and similar applications in Iran and some countries of the former Soviet Union.
>>64890598it would make fighting off the drones harder
Implessive
>>64890598wind
>>64890598Because cluster munitions don't gaf about smoke.
>>64890705that must be terrifying to land onI'd take my chances with the water
smoke actually gives away location. But will work out in deception if enemy is made to believe mechanized charge happening at multiple place
>>64891025If you were flying a heli you could always try and land on the Nikolay Chiker, a large tugboat which constantly follows the Kuznetsov around due to its frequent breakdowns.
>>64890693In FPS games the rule is smoke in their face not yours
>>64891075Why don't they just make a towed airbase?
>>64890635They brag about every single mundane thing ever existing
>>64890915You can easily trick the opponent into wasting their cluster munitions with some smoke artillery shells in directions that you're not actually going to attack. But both sides would rather use HE instead since using smoke requires a great deal more coordination and better trained troops that neither side has.
>>64891336>with some smoke artillery shellsOnly for a few shots, after that the enemy's counterbattery shells arrive and delete your artillery with cluster munitions that dgaf about what shells your toobs are shooting.
>>64890598Mines can't see you in the first place and it's not even remotely hard to send drones and/or shell the smoke. Smoke is a dead giveaway that something is there. It should generally be reserved for getting the fuck out or preventing individual munitions like FPVs from hitting you. It tells the enemy EXACTLY where to shoot when you're trying to advance a column under it. Smoke is much better as a small scale defensive tool than large scale offensive one today. An individual tank going "OH FUCK A DRONE'S COMING *PFWOOF*" is a much better use than trying to cover 20km2 in thick enough smoke to ensure your assault can't be seen. You also have to pray the idiots driving your tanks don't get lost in it if you dare deploy that much.Far as that ship goes satellites, drones, and all sorts of other things can see the other side of the smoke wall. The munition coming to sink you likely knows exactly where you're at still.
