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>>64892025
>If Iran can take out the US bases in the Gulf quickly

>>64892029
fpbp

>>64892025
tomahawks are subsonic

This is why china is trying to get the uk to give diego garcia away.

>>64892025
That if is doing some heavy lifting

>>64892025
With what? Hopes and copes? Lul.

>>64892164
>implying Diego Garcia is not already the 51st state

OP why not phrase your idea with less authority? It’ll help you come off as less of a retard. I love how the armchair generals were spitballing the Venezuela operation beforehand, people were creating massive C:MO scenarios with thousands of PGM’s, TACM’s, multiple carrier air wings, EW attacks from several directions, SSGN Salvos, JASSM and decoy etc. and instead they just bribe and/or whip out some skunkworks zapper and steal the president with like 50 dudes and some old choppers. And now you retards are doing the same thing again.

>>64893750
They can't grasp the actual difference in power. Years of swallowing the stupidest chink/zigger/musdog propaganda has left their brains completely devoid of rational analysis. The US is probably 60 years ahead of Iran in technology alone, not to mention the embarrassing chasm in quantity. If full war broke out, the entire Iranian navy would be sunk within minutes and their aa/missile launchers would be systematically removed over the course of mere hours.

Israel alone was capable of this and they don't hold a candle to what is US military power. You'd think this would compute for them. Nope, more delusion and propaganda.

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>>64892025
>Iran taking out a single US base
>Iran taking out more than one US base
>Iran taking out ALL US bases in the gulf
>Iran taking out ALL US bases in the gulf QUICKLY
The most Iran could possibly do is saturate AD, get a few potholes in US bases and maybe, MAYBE kill some personnel who weren't already evacuated and were dicking around outside instead of taking cover.

If it makes you feel any better, they'll say they won a decisive strategic victory no matter what.

>>64893771
They could be walking to the gallows and these retards would be talking about how they owned the great Satan and little Satan. They are completely braindead.

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>>64892029
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>>64893771
God damn this board is full of retards these days. There are a bunch of US bases within very close range of Iran, the notion that the US can meaningfully protect those bases from Iranian strikes is laughable to the point of completely discrediting anyone who even entertains the idea, much less espouses it. Al-Udeid is close enough to Iran that even their SRBMs would be able to hit it. There is no scenario where Iran is unable to take out US bases. They may not be able to take out *all* the bases in the region, since some are far enough away that striking them will require the use of longer ranged missiles which are in shorter supply, and will probably mostly be earmarked for striking Israel, but the possibility exists. The Patriot system cannot intercept ballistic missiles with any sort of reliability, claims to the contrary are only made by liars, and only believed by children and mental defectives.

>>64892025
>Iran
>Taking out US anything
>Having competance
>Even once

Anon... they're arabs. They're going to sit there and impotently bitch through international channels, then fight amongst themselves until the US wanders over to delete anything more powerful than a Sony Walkman in the country. Then they'll impotently bitch and whine some more while the US dismantles their government.

>>64893872
Look at how many of those bases are located on the far side of bodies of water full of American warships. It's not Patriot that's going to be shooting down all of those missiles.

>>64893872
>They're a threat on paper
>Therefore their problems with being completely unable to actually do any of the things they can do on paper, but in real life, doesn't matter!

On paper, Venezuela had defenses and a military too, and you saw how that went. Iraq had defenses and a military, and you saw how that went. Iran has defenses and a military... and you'll see how that goes.

You're talking about a first strike capability that does not in any way impact the course of the war, so even assuming they did delete a base or two the US would still just come over and obliterate all resistance in the country, at which point the US will just move the Army Corps of Engineers over to rebuild whatever they hit, assuming they can hit anything at all.

But they won't hit anything in a first strike because that would just bring the US' ire down on them that much sooner and give the DoD a blank check forever to kill anyone in the Iranian government they want and blame the deaths of US Servicemen on them.

>>64893896
>American warships have infinite VLS cells
That's even more retarded. Jesus fuck.

>>64893917
>Iran has infinite ballistic missiles
Seriously?

>>64893917
They don't have to be infinite, Anon. Iran isn't going to do anything more than performative resistance if they do anything at all. You're talking about the existential survival of a nation and its government, they don't really care about anything but themselves, and anyone who actually has the gall to attack a US base or a US fleet isn't long for this world. It'll be towelhead exterminatus 2.0 while the US kills all of them and parades around the survivors as a cautionary tale as to why you don't fuck with the US.

>>64893872
Iran asked Trump for permission to strike their base in Qatar

>>64893872
Short range ballistic missiles are pretty interceptable.
Medium range are difficult to intercept but they are low numbers and more importantly 50+ meters CEP. They aren't good for any hard target (like even fighter craft surrounded by heco bastions). Iran literally would need hundred and more medium range missiles to do serious damage toa single base. Nukes would change equation but conventional warheads are meh.

>>64893899
So this is the perfect opportunity for a Mossad/CIA false flag op?

>>64893931
Nothing false flag about it if they just want to delete Iran off the face of the Earth, frankly. Who's going to come to their defense? Israel? Iraq? Russia? There's nobody within five hundred miles in any direction of the country that wants to see Iran continue existing. They've burned virtually every bridge they have, pissed off powers that are basically like Gods next to them and their continued existence is in the way of Western dominance in the new post-peace, monopolar world under America.

Everyone is going to get dragged into the future kicking and screaming, but Iran won't be there. They've given the international community every reason and every excuse to unmake them.

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>>64892025
Mentally ill brownoid fantasies. You're talking about a country that folded in a few days with Israel and also photoshopped a giant "shot down" F35

>>64893899
>We managed to bribe some Venezuelan officers
>This demonstrates our immense military prowess
If Trump goes ahead with this retarded idea you're going to have a very hard time coping with the reality you're confronted with.
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>>64893927
>Iran let us off easy last time when both sides agreed ahead of time to not escalate things beyond a certain point, so we can just go in and try to destroy their government and they will show the same restraint
How fucking stupid can a person be and still manage to use a computer. I refuse to believe you can read. You probably are using text to speech software or something.
>>64893928
Iran has SRBMs in quantities that make interception a non factor, and they have newer variants of their longer ranged missiles which likely have a much better CEP, although we don't know that yet since they didn't use them in the shitscuffle last June. There are also analyses that they have switched to the Chinese version of GPS, which will likely improve their accuracy since it will be more difficult for the US and Israel to interfere with. Moreover even if they don't destroy any aircraft, they can massively impede operations. You can't conduct sorties while you're hiding in a shelter, and they'll need time after each salvo to patch up the runway and clear the debris. If a base is unable to actually conduct operations, then it's taken out of the fight, even if the planes and personnel are intact. Thus the hypothetical OP posed absolutely is a possibility which should be considered.
>>64893948
Russia and China are both providing support to Iran. Quite frankly the only people who hate Iran are Israel and their proxies. Most of the world doesn't really care and thinks of them as just another country in the middle east.

>>64893984
The reality is that one way or another, Iran is going to lose. There isn't any other outcome for this situation. All the nations on Earth working together wouldn't have a very good chance of defeating the US in open conflict, but you're talking about one isolated backwater arab shithole. Its military is the equivalent of a fly on a nutsack - slightly annoying, but no more than that.

>Iran has...
It doesn't matter what Iran has, its Iran. They're not a military power and never have been in the entire existence of their nation. Nobody outside of China and the West are even a player.

>Russia and China...
Aren't really an issue. Russia is currently dying as a nation and its military has been almost completely dismantled, so they're not going to do any more than jack and shit. China's military is largely performative, it only exists in any serious capacity on paper, but even assuming that it were all real, China's strategic goal is regional dominance of Asia and Iran is not an Asian nation. They won't do shit.

>Most of the world doesn't care
This was true until they started killing thousands of their own people and giving the US every excuse for humanitarian intervention, which was exactly what the US wanted. Nobody is going to say a word when the US executes Arab_Deletus.exe. Nobody.

>>64894021
>IRAN IS JUST GONNA LOSE, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UGH, I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FACTS
>THEY'RE INFERIOR RACES, ALL OF THEM, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE LESSER RACES CANNOT POSSIBLY BEAT US?
Whatever man. Go ahead and live in your fantasy bubble. Just stop bugging us with your schizo shit about racial supremacy.

>>64894041
>I think I'll just stick my fingers in my ears and go LALALALALALA
Read the fucking post you mouthbreathing mongoloid, I was very specific about why Iran doesn't have the infrastructure, the will or the allies required to do anything but get slightly in America's way. Its not a fantasy bubble, they're going to cease to exist. And there's no scenario where the brave Iranians land on American shores and actually force a US Capitulation, so even if they missile a base or two its not going to do anything more than piss America off and give them a reason to build more and more war materiel.

Calling it now - 20 years from now, there won't be an Iran on the map. Simple as. Whatever is left of it will have been picked apart by its neighbors who will be perfectly willing to take advantage of their weakness once their military has been destroyed.

>>64892025
implessive

>>64892164
Trying? It already has. But the base is still going to be there.

>>64893984
>Iran has SRBMs in quantities that make interception a non factor
Interception forces attacker to assign overkill numbers to salvos, otherwise salvo would be shoot down. That means stictks if missiles depleting fast to hit same targets 10 times.

>You can't conduct sorties while you're hiding in a shelter, and they'll need time after each salvo to patch up the runway and clear the debris.
Missiles barrages are completely transparent, alerst would be 30 minutes of the 24h day. Runways are repaired within 2-8h, it's losing game to fire million dollars missiles at concrete block and do damage that can be repaired with doozer and excavator. It can't be better bait for Iranian missiles.

>>64892164
They already gave it back to Mauritius.

UK will continue to stab the US in the Back.

>>64894058
>NO U
Whatever kid.
>>64894116
>Interception forces attacker to assign overkill numbers to salvos, otherwise salvo would be shoot down.
Iran has substantially more SRBMs than the US has interceptors (hell, they probably have more MRBMs than the US has interceptors), and they have demonstrated in the past that they are willing to simply use older missiles to deplete interceptors. The Iranians are not in a position where they need to destroy the bases quickly, since nobody's going to be flying sorties while under missile attack. Moreover interceptors are fired at least in pairs, never singly, thus even further skewing the equation in favor of the Iranians. So even if we assume a high interception rate, which is still unlikely even for SRBMs, bases like Al Udeid are absolutely on the menu.
>Missiles barrages are completely transparent, alerst would be 30 minutes of the 24h day. Runways are repaired within 2-8h, it's losing game to fire million dollars missiles at concrete block and do damage that can be repaired with doozer and excavator. It can't be better bait for Iranian missiles.
So even if we assume your math is correct, the Iranians can simply fire a salvo every few hours and shut down an airbase's operations indefinitely. For the air bases further from Iran that may not be feasible, but when operating from a lot of those you'll need aerial refueling to reach Iran. That's a serious bottleneck on top of the fact that Iran can still strike them.

>>64893984
!NUCLEAR LEVEL COPE ALERT!

>let us off easy

!NUCLEAR LEVEL COPE ALERT!

>>64892164
the base is leased to UK for the next 99 years, it's not going anywhere.

>>64894207
>i-iran h-has more
LMAO

is this that retard that claimed iran totally didn't get rekt in that kerfuffle with israel?

sad what contrarianism does to a man lol.
>s-so you must like jews then!
nope, i'm just not a contrarian like you.

>>64894234
>I'm not coping, you are!
lmao, the US didn't accomplish the job, and now even the people who claimed they were destroyed are talking about how they need to go back in and actually do it right this time.
>>64894250
Wait, are you seriously pretending that Israel won that scuffle last June? No serious analyst claims that. You accuse people of being contrarians when your claims are only supported by a tiny number of Israeli backed think tanks.
>jews
The Israelis aren't "the Jews", they're a group of Jews, well most of them are Jews, although that's only because they don't give citizenship to the Palestinians living in territory they occupy. You can like Jews or even be a Jew and not believe horseshit just because Israel says it, hell, there are plenty of Jews who don't even like Israel.
>i'm just not a contrarian like you
You're a partisan for a very specific type of neoconservative/neoliberal(ultimately the same thing) wackjobbery. Not even the cable news outlets, who normally parrot whatever the government claims no matter how implausible, were willing to say that the US strikes definitely destroyed Fordow, much less that the Iranian nuclear program was destroyed or even meaningfully set back.

>>64894250
Him and his implessive buddies have been spamming the board with zigger-tier cope all during the ramp up in military power. They still think these retarded information campaigns result in results on the battlefield. When Iran meets a fate worse than Russia they'll put all their weight behind the chinks until their inevitable humiliation. After that, who knows. Maybe they'll kill themselves. We should be so lucky.

>>64894296
>Iranian shills are everywhere! The people who disagree with me are the shills, not the people who are heavily invested in getting the US to go to war with Iran.
Dude, when this shit kicks off you're going to pretend you never said this.

>>64894301
Lol what, why? When shit kicks off I'm going to laugh at the flood of videos of more Iranaian failures like shooting flak into their own city centers. Have you started pre-generating all your captured F35 images? The models are much better these days, you should be able to make some conving images this time.

>>64894294
>The US didn't accomplish the job
Of what? We don't want to run your backwater shithole, we just want them to shut up and accept US hegemony on the planet, which they currently are doing. Success in all fields there. Like when we defeated the Mexicans, we don't want to integrate your territory or your people into the list of problems we have to deal with, we only have to smack you around occasionally when you forget who the boss is.

>>64894294
>i'm not coping
correct, i'm not.
>you are
correct, you are.
>y-you didn't exterminate all of us therefore we win!
thirdie mentalities like this is why they keep losing.
>are you pretending
i don't need to pretend reality.
>n-no serious analyst
good thing i don't need a serious analyst to see all the destroyed anti-air, raids inside iran, the dead iranian leadership, and the almost complete ineffectiveness of iranian missile spam (apart from a few apartment buildings because their shit CEP doesn't allow them to actually target military shit with any measure of precision)
>you accuse
you are a contrarian, that's not something i chose for you, you willingly covet the mudslime mentality of "well it hurt my feelings if i lost so i declare that we won" purely out of contrarianism, it's not like israel hasn't done some evil shit, but if you're gonna cheer for iran, at least don't be delusional about the outcomes.

>Y-YOU ARE NEOCONSERVATIVE
i am not anything, i don't actually care who wins this conflict, i have no dog in this fight and am mostly having fun watching two retards constantly re-ignite conflicts.
it just happens that one is more competent and has better materiel, and it's not iran, this upsets you because you're a contrarian and you decided
>israeli's: evil hypocrites
>therefore: oppressive mudslime dictatorship shithole good
that's as far as your thought process took you.

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>>64894294
>the US didn't accomplish the job
Ah, The penicillin of third-world cope, "they didn't win because they didn't finish the job"
What was the job?
>To subjugate and/or kill us all.
>But we stopped them! see? they merely crippled our AA and evaporated our senior military leadership as well as that of our proxies.
>Imagine what they would have done if we hadn't
It'd be one thing if they stuck to this "the super-enemy vs little ol' us" narrative, but this is said in the same breath as delusional shit like pic related.
Iran is simultaneously a mighty regional power and a ragtag resistance barely winning due to sheer determination and.

>>64894603
This is actually kinda funny, all told. I assume the leaders of Iran know already that its going to be Iranians in those graves and they just don't give a shit. But its hilarious to see the
>Thousands of US soldiers going to die
narrative.

20 years in the sandbox only lost us a couple thousand soldiers and change. The war with Iran will be over in less than a month, all their leaders will be dead and nobody there will care because they have no loyalty to each other whatsoever. But what about killing thousands of US soldiers is even believable to these subhumans? Its absolutely baffling that anybody buys this.

>>64894313
Of destroying Iran's nuclear program. That was literally the stated goal of the whole operation. The actual goal of Israel's attack was the destruction of the Iranian government, but that obviously didn't happen either. The only people who accomplished their goals in that little slapfight were Iran, and that's only because their goal was "make the Israelis and Americans stop bombing us". The Israelis/US absolutely want to run Iran, that's why they keep bringing up the fucking Shah's son as if trying to put him into power isn't retarded. I'm sure they'll settle for Iran being a destabilized mess like Syria, but they'd probably prefer a puppet government. The US doesn't have hegemony over the planet anymore, the era of the US being the "hyperpower" is fucking over, get with the times and grow the fuck up.
>>64894338
>No u!
>u da thirdie
Nobody sucks off the US government as much as immigrants, because the actual Americans are sick of the government making us pay for you. Go back to your homeland, wherever the fuck it is.
>I don't need a serious analyst
glad you're admitting you are just basing this on your feelings and the curated narrative you have been fed.
>hurr durr if you acknowledge reality you think the Iranians are the good guys
This speaks volumes about how you think. You don't believe things because you think they're true, you believe things because that's what you've been told "your side" believes. I think both sides are crazy assholes, I just know that Iran isn't anywhere near as weak as you pretend. The facts don't care about your feelings or my feelings or anyone elses. The truth is what the facts are, and the truth is that Iran can strike American bases in the region.
>>64894603
>The US doesn't lose wars, we find ways to claim victory now matter what!
>We didn't actually want to do any of the things which we tried to accomplish!
>We sure did kill a lot of people! That's the thing that matters!
This is the definition of cope.

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>>64894640
>We didn't actually want to do any of the things which we tried to accomplish!
Which are?

>>64894646
>I can't fucking read
I spelled it out in that post, if you can't read that isn't my problem.

>>64894656
I'll concede I didn't read your entire post, just what you replied to me, my bad
>Of destroying Iran's nuclear program. That was literally the stated goal of the whole operation.
I don't think anyone thought for one second this would destroy Iran's nuclear program.
Frankly, I doubt you can truly dismantle something like this without boots on the ground entering these underground complexes.
>But Trump said
Trump is, to put it kindly, a hyperbolic man.
Less kindly; he's full of shit.
From how limited the strike was and how the US conducted themselves immediately afterwards (declaring ceasefire almost immediately after), it makes much more sense that the main goals of midnight hammer were
1. Apply pressure on Iran for the benefit on the negotiations on Iran's nuclear weapons
2. Set back Iran's nuclear program, just so bum-rushing to a nuke and saying "lmao it's a done deal" isn't an option in the near future.

You can certainly reasonably argue over whether these two goals were accomplished and how much.
But come on, Iran didn't win a damn thing during this whole "war" and they DEFINITELY didn't "let the US off easy"
Iran got fucked hard and it's all going downhill

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>turd worlder who doesn't own any guns goes on /k/ to cry about america to american anons who own many guns

why does this keep happening?

>>64894640
We weren't actually there to destroy Iran's nuclear program, we were there to keep the Middle East and its oil market unified in an anti-China, anti-Russia and Pro-US position, which it still is. Iraq and Iran are a joke now, the Saudis and the UAE are US allies and Egypt won't be anything but a shitstain that bitches about Israel until something is done there, which it won't be.

>Make the Americans stop bombing us
So... guess that's a failure, since we're going right back to bombing them.

>The US is not the hyperpower anymore
Nobody else has a military with even the slightest chance of the vaguest whiff of contesting the US, so the US is still the hyperpower. Until someone is capable of dethroning the petrodollar, unifying a large portion of the planet and fielding an air force totaling thousands and thousands of planes to contest US dominance, the US is still dominant. Hasn't happened, not going to happen.

>This is the definition of cope
The definition of cope is thinking that bug people and brownoids have any choice or voice in the matter of global dominance. They were never even a player.

>>64894640
>u da thirdie
you certainly act like one.
>i don't need a serious analyst
no, i don't need your cope analysts in order to draw the obvious conclusion that iran got it's shit rocked, anon. maybe your analysts just aren't serious.
>n-no, YOU are emotional
again, i already told you i have no dog in this race, cheer for whoever you like, my brown friend, but be realistic, if there's anything i don't like seeing tarnished it's reality, and your ilk love to twist it whenever it doesn't steer the way you want it to.
>acknowledge reality
here's the thing: you're not doing that, as explained earlier.

>the rest is verbatim copying exactly what i told him
thirdies really don't have a lot of creativity lmao.

>>64894727
>Apply pressure on Iran for the benefit on the negotiations on Iran's nuclear weapons
So the opposite of what they actually accomplished? They kicked the IAEA out of the country. You can cope and pretend that the CIA and Mossad totes know everything anyway, but that's just playing make believe to cope with the fact that Iran could now enrich Uranium the rest of the way to 90% without anyone knowing. The Iranians also aren't budging on nuclear issues at the current talks.
>Set back Iran's nuclear program
No evidence this happened.
>bum-rushing to a nuke and saying "lmao it's a done deal" isn't an option in the near future.
Iran's in a better position to do that now than they were before June of last year.
>Iran didn't win a damn thing during this whole "war"
Iran accomplished their goals, the US and Israel didn't, that's the definition of victory in a war.
>they DEFINITELY didn't "let the US off easy"
They could have just kept hitting Israel. By the end of the war Israel's claimed interception rates were down to 30%, and serious analysts think that they never actually reached 30% interception on ballistic missiles at any point in the war. By the end of the war Iran's leadership positions had been filled again and the new people were well hidden and dug in, the Iranian air defenses had recovered from the initial shock and were becoming much harder to hit, and the ballistic missile launches were picking up pace. By all metrics Iran could have continued the war for months and really put the hurt onto Israel, who are in a precarious position at the best of times.
>Iran got fucked hard and it's all going downhill
Iran got hit hard, got back up, and hit back. Their regime has more support now than it did before last June, and they have received aid from China and Russia which will beef up their capabilities in the next round. There is no metric where Iran is militarily worse off than last June.

>>64894819
>They kicked the IAEA out of the country.
Oh please, the IAEA was constrained to the point it was a rubber stamp.
They couldn't visit the sites without advanced notice, they weren't allowed in restricted areas even when they WERE allowed on sites, their grasp of the scope of Iran's nuclear program was limited even at the peak of Iran's "cooperation" and even they came out and said Iran was in breach.
>No evidence this happened.
Speaking of the IAEA
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-on-developments-in-iran-6
And before you say something like
>the facility being damaged doesn't mean the program was set back
Nuclear programs are like the processor industry in the sense that the knowledge itself isn't some secret squirrel shit, it's an engineering challenge.
The centrifuge system, for example, is very delicate work with VERY tight tolerances (recall that virus it got infected it, which damaged the centrifuge by setting speeds that caused resonance)
the idea that a facility is damaged but the VERY sensitive equipment in it isn't is laughable.
>Iran accomplished their goals
What were Iran's goals? other than the US not accomplishing their goals?
>By all metrics Iran could have continued the war for months and really put the hurt onto Israel, who are in a precarious position at the best of times.
Is that right? so why didn't they?
Did they pity Israel? Decided to give peace with "the little devil" a chance?
I also recall that Trump apparently knew about the this ceasefire before the Iranians, because they said something to the effect of
>no agreement has been reached, but you know what I'll go with it if Israel stops
And I also recall something about (supposedly) Trump telling Netanyahu to not attack after this ceasefire? why was Israel the one Trump insisted restrain themselves?
>Their regime has more support now than it did before last June
Holy shit, was I being trolled all along?
Anon if this was a troll, hats off, you got my ass.

>>64894819
>Iran got back up and hit back
With what? Where? Are you fucking serious? Iran is an impotent, passive player in all this with nothing to contribute. Their military is one step short of Stone Age, it doesn't matter what they do or don't do in all of this.

>Their regime has more support now...
Oh, so you're a dumbass who hasn't seen the thousands of people dying protesting the current government, I suppose. It was only on all the international news channels for weeks, I guess I shouldn't have assumed that you can afford a TV to watch between street shitting breaks. My mistake.

>They have received aid from China and Russia
China is not going to help them and Russia literally has nothing left to contribute that isn't already committed to their war effort. Try harder.

>There is no metric where Iran is militarily worse off
EVERY metric has Iran militarily worse off! Their military has been kicked in the stones, they have no ability to rebuild it, nobody is coming to help them and they just pissed off the overwhelming majority of the planet's military power. They'll be lucky if they still exist as an independent polity six months from now and don't have to go begging the US and Israel to let them in on international aid.

>>64894819
>they could have just kept hitting israel
Nope, not only did israel delete the majority of their remaining stock, they were hitting all the launchers too.
Thirdie shitholes do not have nearly the required level of authority to “let someone off easy” and you were genuinely retarded enough to pull those words out of your mouth.

scott ritter the kiddy-diddler just gave his two cents:
https://youtu.be/XzvbRHd57EU

>>64893984
They're going to "bribe" the Italian military too

>>64894908
I meant the iranian military of course

>>64893872
>this board is full of retards

>>64894867
>Oh please, the IAEA was constrained to the point it was a rubber stamp.
This is such bullshit.
>Speaking of the IAEA
the IAEA is not a neutral party. Their analysis cannot be trusted.
>question begging
provide evidence Fordow was even damaged internally before making any other claims based on the assumption that it was. One lie at a time.
>What were Iran's goals?
To get the US and Israel to stop bombing them.
>Is that right? so why didn't they?
Because they accomplished their goals.
>Did they pity Israel? Decided to give peace with "the little devil" a chance?
The fact that you don't understand that there is a lot of space between hating someone and trying to exterminate their whole nation is pretty disturbing, but not surprising. I'm glad that the Iranians are saner than you are.
>I also recall that Trump apparently knew about the this ceasefire before the Iranians
Well yeah, the Iranians didn't want the war, so when Trump got the Israelis to agree to stop they didn't have any reason to continue. That's because they're a fuckload saner than you. The fact that the religious nutcases in Iran are saner than you are is something that would give you pause if you were capable of self assessment.
>why was Israel the one Trump insisted restrain themselves?
Because the Israelis are the aggressive lunatics who need to be restrained.
>was I being trolled all along?
Are you confused? I'm sorry do you seriously not know that the protests in Iran were mostly pro-regime? There were actual protests over inflation, but they weren't calling for the regime to be overthrown and were largely peaceful. The violence was just the CIA and Mossad blowing the last of what they had available to try and escalate the protests by murdering a bunch of cops, but the Iranian security services got a lid on that after a few days. The death toll was somewhere between 3 and 6 thousand, including the cops who were murdered and the assets.

>>64894958
>Implying anyone, even an Iranian, would be pro-Iranian
Anon, at least make your shit-talk believable. Those were anti-regime protests, there's nothing good about Iranian leadership. You're never going to see pro-Russia, pro-China, or pro-Iran anything, ever. Nobody wants to live there, not even the people born to it. No exceptions.

>>64892025
> If Iran can take out the US bases in the Gulf quickly
Won't happen
>There's a good chance Trump spams Iran with Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles for 2 Weeks
won't happen
>Carriers are not going to be anywhere near Iran when the strikes start, so no carrier sinking.
correct

Let me tell you how the "Iran war" goes if it happens. US and possibly Israel bomb Iran, blow up lots of shit, kill 2-4k iranians. Iran fires some missiles at US bases in "symbolic retaliation", probably warns the US first, doesn't do anything. Iran fires some missiles at Israel, kills like 10 civilians but nothing else. Eventually US strikes stop and ayatollahs pop out of rubble and declare great victory and tankies and groypers spam on /k/ that US got btfo. Iran continues to suffer from hyperinflation, civil revolts, and a water crisis worth than any country in africa

>>64893872
>>64893984
>>64894294
this iran stronk stuff doesn't work anymore. Iran doesn't hve any real deterrence or willingness to defend itself. Even when Israel blasted away half their leadership they just killed like 10 civilians. The nation is in a state of soft-collapse with 1,500,000 rials to the dollar, the worlds worst water crisis, one of the worlds worst energy crisis's, and constant rebellions that kill thousands. Their proxy network has collapsed and their military infrastructure is still damaged from Israel.

Iran always does "symbolic retaliation", where they warn the recipient in advance of a pitiful symbolic act to try and save face. They are pretty much the only country to do this, try to think as to why. Iran's "retaliation" against the US will be about as effective as their "retaliation" when Trump bombed them last time or killed Solemaini. Hell they even did the symbolic retaliation shit when Israel killed the leader of Hamas in Iran.

Also Russia won't do shit, it's stuck in a forever war in Ukraine and wouldn't even if they weren't. And lmao@China ever doing anything besides giving their final warning.

>>64894958
>he thinks the yearly revolts in Iran are just CIA/Mossad conspiracy and aren't gonna happen again next year

LMAO Iranians have no water and hyperinflation worst than Weimar. Crying about jews isn't gonna change that Iran will never escape their doomloop.

And yeah I'm sure every dead protestor was a mossad agent, iran's population must be like 20% mossad agents by this point.

>>64895569
>Iranians have no water
Redditors hear something in the news once and repeat it ad nauseam. Tehran came close to running out of water because of a historic once in a century draught. Then the rains came and filled up the dams. God you people are so irritating.

>>64895621
Source?

>>64895621
>there are no water shortages kuffar! everything is fine! dehydrate for palestine!
lmao

>>64892025
Niggas gonna get discombobulated on g

>>64893760
Um technically speaking it's 40 years out of date. We know that because their best equipment is 40 year old US hand-me-downs.

ITT: fags arguing how their rifles and warrior spirit will protect them from getting wasted by air strikes
Iran is weak enough Tehran could probably be taken out by the same team that burned out Waco. Their missiles are worse than tomahawks which were already shown to be overhyped money sinks against the Houhis, and beyond that all they have left are basically armed militias on-par with their US namesakes in all the worse ways. It's probably disheartening to fudds to see a nation embodying their main survival strategy get torn apart by the feds in real time.

Russia stronk ended in Ukraine

Iran stronk ended with everything in the last 2 years

Norks got mogged in Ukraine

Still waiting on China to be humiliated and then the four saviors of tankies/groypers will be 0-4

It's going to be so funny watching these Arab rape babies get pasted.

>>64895553
This more or less. Anyone who thinks US airstrikes on Iran will end in anything other than more Iran doing some symbolic strike on qatar and not doing anything are delusional.

Iranian responses to strikes were pathetic even when they were in a far better situation a few years ago. Now their proxy/alliance network is in shambles and internally they're in a total mess with things like inflation, street violence, resource scarcity, etc.. Nothing is gonna happen.

I would argue Iran is currently in the worst shape it has been since the days of Russia and Britain carving it apart in the early 20th century. At least during the Iran-Iraq War the people rallied around the Ayatollah because of Saddam's invasion. Now even despite the Israeli attack last year there was still the bloodiest uprising against the regime since 1979.

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>>64893984
>Quite frankly the only people who hate Iran are Israel and their proxies.

Yea, that's why they have such good relationships with the Saudis, Jordan, and Iraq

>>64893949
>Giant
There are actual giants in the pic, that f35 is gargantuan

>>64894958
>To get the US and Israel to stop bombing them.
By that logic, the only way for Iran to NOT achieve this goal is by ceasing to exist before the bombings stopped
With victories like these, who needs loses?

>>64895565
>>64896190
Part of their symbolic strike strategy is to 'conceal' their full strength, they know they can only go all out once because there will be no easy peace afterwards. In the ten day war they arguably did go all out but only their longest range missiles can reach Israel so it wasn't their full strength. They see this current crisis as being far more existential for themselves because it is directly tied to regime change and protests. This is why they keep insisting that any American base in range is a legitimate target, despite those governments saying those bases wouldn't be allowed use for bombing Iran. I think the initial strikes will be launched from territories outside Iranian range to see the response. There are some newly arrived wild weasel f16s in Diego Garcia and some f22s in Israel. I think in a worst case scenario, the US and Israel combined would have so much control over the skies that launchers will become nearly impossible to operate and we won't even need to use to many interceptors.

>>64894958
>CIA and Mossad
>Last of what they had
Anon... I hate to break this to you but there is no 'last' for organizations like the CIA. They're the most overfunded and overteched organizations in the history of man, with literally infinite money and all the manpower of the West to draw on basically any time they want. If you think for one second that they're even close to tapped out, you're going to be very disappointed.

>>64893872
The Iranian missile system was less than impressive the last time they used it and any strike by the US would overwhelm their missile sites. Even the sites we miss will be rapidly targeted the moment they launch.

I'm not saying we should go to war with Iran, but I am saying it'll be less painful than you think. Unless we invade.

>>64893872
Iran could barely even strike some jews next door and youre saying they could destroy more than a couple of US bases while all of their known launch sites are being jammed and bombed by the most capable PGM distributer in the world? Consider me less than afraid.

This lone retard fantasizing about massive Iranian salvos of shitty missiles with TERRIBLE CEP’s getting off while ignoring the incredibly bottlenecked launchers that would be amongst the first targets for a US initial strike is disturbingly similar to the retarded posts about massive chink salvos where China is allowed to strike out but the US conveniently doesn’t hit these too. Is it the same contrarian faggot? Is it copelord himself!?

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>>64893926
The biggest ballistic missile bombardment in history was actually done by Iran

>>64899719
>Fire off 80% of your missile stockpile
>Clearly this means that you have infinity missiles remaining
Peak thirdie logic.

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>>64899719
And it did sweet fuck all. They managed to, what, blow up a random cancer research lab and frag a couple of random Palestinians?

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>>64893949
>>64898964

>>64900801
Frag implies they got hit by the missiles, the dude they killed was just standing at a bus stop and got a fucking booster dropped directly on him

>>64901461
moar

>>64896210
>Saudis
The Saudis don't like that the Iranians are a Shia republic instead of a Sunni monarchy, but they don't really hate them.
>Jordan
Basically an Israeli proxy at this point, and even they don't really give a shit about Iran. They just dislike them for the same reason the Saudis dislike them.
>Iraq
Iran basically owns Iraq these days. What the fuck are you smoking?
>>64896961
>Iran's objectives were simple and achievable
>therefore they don't count
lmao
>>64898069
>We have infinite resources because we can just keep printing more money!
Fuck off Keynes. You're the Lysenko of economics.

>>64901500
elaborate

>>64892025
>If Israel can take out the US bases in the Gulf and quickly blame it on Iran

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>>64893872
LMFAO

>>64903417
why?

ok

>>64893760

The american problem in Iran is to avoid being dragged into another quagmire while also pleasing the donor class desire to build Eretz Israel which requires Iran to be reduced to a puppet state or rubble, whichever state that comes first.

>>64893928
>Medium range are difficult to intercept but they are low numbers and more importantly 50+ meters CEP. They aren't good for any hard target (like even fighter craft surrounded by heco bastions).

Fighters parked outside surrounded by HECO berms, well, an old fashioned cluster submuntion warhead and 50 meter CEP is going to do the job most excellently.

>>64905523
There's no ground asset buildup, meaning it's not really possible to "get stuck." This will be a limited bombing campaign at most.

There's basically two bombing paths the Pentagon can take:
1. Mirror what Israel did last year and target the ballistic missile program, the nuclear program, and maybe some key individuals related to those programs. Strikes would limit civilian casualties and focus on destroying as many launchers/ad systems as possible.

2. Pull a Libya and hope for a better outcome. Just like we did with Gaddafi, in this scenario, we bomb the shit out of every ground force and Iranian system of power. Information networks, media networks, communications, military bases, political figures, etc. It would be a much, much bigger campaign but wouldn't require boots on the ground. The hope is that Iran would turn into something better than the IRGC, even if it isn't perfect.

Either way, I think the situation is unsolvable. Option two is a one in a million chance of going well. Option 1 kicks the can down the road for a year or two at best.

>>64894116
>Interception forces attacker to assign overkill numbers to salvos, otherwise salvo would be shoot down.

A defender generally has to spend more missiles than the attacker, meaning that a war with Iran would quickly drain America of all its interceptor missile stocks, no matter what kind of missile it is, because of the large amounts of iranian missiles. Typically two interceptors are launched per incoming for a 99% kill probability. In case of the incoming missile using active decoys that number increases. This means that an Iran war has the potential to leave NATO completely empty of air defense missiles, meaning that Russia now can bomb Ukraine without much opposition. Do not forget that Iran also have tons of lawnmover cruise missiles to soak up low end air defense assets.

America cant really dedicate itself to war with Iran as long as the war in Ukraine is going on but Zelensky isnt responding to ceasefire directives from Trump because the euros are propping him up. Trumps desire to stop the war in Ukraine was always driven by his desire for a war with Iran which is what he promised the donor class. But neither Putin nor Zelensky wanted to cooperate with Trump to make this possible.

The euros arent responding to directives from Trump because their politicial apparatuses are aligned with the american democrat party meaning that all euros suffer from massive Trump Derangement Syndrome. America is stuck and cant move. One way to solve this gordian knot would be to dismantle the democrat political apparatus and remove the force that generates TDS in the euros. All for good national security reasons, of course.

>>64892025
>SLBMs
I mean it would be kino to send Tridents into Tehran but I’m hoping you’re meaning the Tomahawk cruise missiles on the modified Ohio SSGNs or the Virginias

If fucking what happens now?
OP have you been toking a crack pipe?

>>64903034
>elaborate

He was hit by a gigantic stove pipe falling from the sky. It was an empty booster rocket. The warhead had detatched from it long ago.

>>64893750
Who was saying that? Actual fucking shills or Turdies hopping on the hate wagon or retards who couldn't understand Vuvuzela only has like 10 operational fighter planes?
Why give a fuck about what they say.

>>64905603
Yea you're brown. The pivot into whining about Ukraine after making shit up is peak zigger. Kill yourself HIVan.

>>64906127
iran's government is a foreign entity propped up by the ussr and now china
it was inflicted on iran because of mistakes made by the western powers
now they keep attacking people and promise they will keep attacking people
they have surrendered their right to property and bodily autonomy

>>64906361
>israel is behind everything
you will regret this phase of your life
when you do, remember to make the most of what you have left
>>64906366
i think you're mistaking me for another anon
maybe you should've quoted him so i knew to state that i was not him
are you new to this site?

>>64906403
>you will regret this phase of your life
The threats don't work anymore, schlomo. You went too far.

>>64906423
They are already attacking others. I already said that in >>64906358
Since you are not willing to read my posts carefully, this will be my last reply to you.

>>64906430
>bad faith
deranged

Chances of the Iranian army launching a coup? Seems like the only way there would be any real regime change.

>>64906495
So you are saying if Iran had nukes they wouldn't use it against the west?

>>64907449
Cool...didn't answer my question. Also I didn't even claim Iran had nukes. I said "IF". Learn to read. Let me ask again.
IF Iran was able to fully develop their nuclear program and made nukes, would they use it on the west?

>>64906127
There's a big difference between being harmless and being unable to "take out US bases in the gulf quickly"
Stop flip flopping between
>Iran strong, Iran achieved all strategic goals
and
>Iran weak and literally only Israel hates them so why do it?
In every single thread on the topic

>>64907510
>everyone is this invisible boogeyman i envision and they are all working together to co-opt reality, but at the same time they're also so retarded that they'd intentionally create a difference between their messaging on /k/ and elsewhere, and i alone am smart enough to pick up on this.
did it ever occur to you that we're not jews, and we just hate all semetic people, you included? i don't care who wins or loses, if you guys were more effective you could annihalate eachother together, but sadly the jews are just better than you and you keep losing.

>>64907538
>a regionally unstable middle east
idk, seems like almost the entire middle-east actually agrees that iran is the destabilizing factor, that's why iran is completely isolated lmao.

>>64907495
>now they're apparently a week from proliferating their WMD's?).
When did I make this claim?
>Iraq-style regime change and destabilization is obviously not a good one
It is when it is against a Nation that screams Death to America at the top of their lungs and funds separatist terrorist groups across the middle east and Europe.

>>64906124
Yeah, totally, the Iranian government is totally not filled with brain dead retards

I think we should bomb iran because I like cool webms, and le global south is getting too uppity
I can’t wait for china to go for taiwan, too. The final rmbarrassment.

>>64907538
The brownoid inferiority complex towards the Jews which makes their entire worldview revolve around Israel is a sight to behold.

Israel's "expansion" is only on the order of a few miles into uninhabited desert only claimed by a people who have never had a functional government to assert control over said uninhabited desert, and as those people are actively genocidal towards the Jews it gives the Jews no reason to respect their baseless claims.
The Israelis gave the Sinai back to Egypt proving they don't have unlimited expansionist plans.

A powerful Iran is a problem for the oil-hungry West as it provides a nexus for other oil-rich Middle Eastern nations to hitch their sovereignty to instead of needing to act as Western puppets. If Iran became strong enough that the region was a no-go zone for Western aircraft carriers the nations of the region wouldn't have to suck Western cock and it would cost us more for favorable influence.

The West only cares about Israel insofar as it's effectively a US State in a strategically vital region.. Arabs can't be trusted to fight for the US or even stay bought, while Israel fights for Western interests in fighting for their own. They are better than a puppet since they have Western values and they're actually competent. Sending Israel billions is no different than sending billions to Fort Hood, except it's Israelis risking their lives fighting in the Middle East rather than Americans.

>>64892025
>There's a good chance Trump spams Iran with Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles for 2 Weeks
That's the plan. The Iranian Navy has zero capacity to fight America's submarines, so they'll be used as a vanguard force to sink all major vessels and take out their anti-ship missiles with Tomahawk Spam. Iran however cannot take out all US bases in the Gulf since they're all protected by multiple redundant layers of CRAM and Patriot missiles.

>>64892122
And?

>>64893872
lmao, okay buddy

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>>64907596
Make me brownoid. It's literally a country that has wishing to fire a nuke into Israel and the US, while putting down their own citizens. It's a totalitarian regime and I want to see it destroyed, and it'll happen soon. No matter how much you cope, call everyone a kike and /pol/ cope posts will stop from getting its shit pushed in

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>>64907538
>There's no interest being served for anyone in military action against Iran except Israel's.
Well, there's the other countries where Iran is funding militias like Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Bahrain and Lebanon (off the top of my head)
And there's Saudi Arabia which has been in a proxy war with Iran for decades
And every other country that's within range of Iran which sees this revolutionary regime trying to export its revolution and on the way establish itself as the regional power
And anyone with interest in oil and trade (aka everyone) through the hormuz strait seeing that Iran threatens those themselves or through proxies.
And anyone who thinks they're batshit, sees them trying to get nukes and figures they might consider any internal collapse as a foreign military action and launch it in all directions.
Or is that all Mossad psyop/falseflag?

>>64907591
Ironic, because you're going exactly for the same
>erm, why is it America's problem what happens to Ukraine?
You hear from John Ameicansky of Texas oblast

>>64907683
Slava Ukraini, zigger.

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>>64907683
No matter how much you cope brownoid, Iran it's getting bombed again, imao
>Will literally answer kike, since the brownoid it's unable to break it's script

>>64907691
Slava Ukraini, zigger.

>>64907696
Post timestamped AMERICA, zigger.

>>64907659
You forgot anyone with an interest with free, unabused trade through Suez Canal/Red Sea. Because the Houthis are the reason we are even talking about Iran as much as we have in the past 12 months. UNironically, this is like Austria pulling in Germany during WW1 which ultimately results in them getting their shit kicked in when they really would rather not have. Talk about being hoisted by your own petard.

>aircraft getting rerouted right now
whoops
the global south is about to have another moral victory

>>64907723
Literally everyone buys Russian grain.

>>64907591
>mindbroken by the notion that civilised white people hate both mudslime brownoids and jewish brownoids.
lol

>>64907648
so they're not ballistic missiles. They rely on space magic to avoid being targeted. Countries that can't afford computers make missiles supersonic. Therefore OP is esl.

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>>64907691
>Literally all countries the US wouldn't be having beef with if it weren't for Pissrael.
And the beef these countries have with Iran is because of Israel?
>Literally all the gulf right now is in solidarity on the Iran question.
So home come the US uses their air space and bases just fine?
>and they know Israel's long game is to expand.
Of course, just look at all this expansion Israel has done since the 60s
>Iran regime change IS the threat to the strait of Hormuz, Moshe.
Is it because if something were to happen to Iran someone might threaten trade there? Someone who's funded by and takes orders from Iran?
Some stabilizing force you've got there.
>Iran DOES NOT HAVE NUKES
I said "trying to get"
>nor can it develop nukes.
First of all, they've already enriched uranium to 60+% which is well beyond any legitimate excuse like power plants or "research"
Second, why not? they have the know-how, they have the facilities and they realize the collapse of the regime by invasion is a real possibility.
Iran's whole military strategy is not necessarily to match the enemy, but to make it EVERYONE'S problem if they're threatened.

>>64907709
Oh fuck, all this time I was saying "hormuz strait" when I was actually thinking of the strait between Yemen and Africa.
I'm a little retard, but the point stands.

>>64907594
Anon, "Dancing Jews" isn't one word.
>So you agree that regime change in Iran is useless?
No installing someone who is pro west will be good for the west.

>>64907825
And that's a good thing. Better to dismantle the schizophrenic retard that wants to build a nuclear bomb to launch it at the world and to keep destabilizing the Middle East for many, many years

>>64907829
Eh once Iran is gone, pretty sure the Middle East would finally be at peace since the final agitator (Iran) would be delta with.

>>64907869
>Middle East would finally be at peace
come on now

>>64907880
Relatively speaking

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People in this thread are way too partisan and jingoistic.

It is not unreasonable that Iran could take out all U.S. bases in the Gulf.
It is also not unreasonable that Iran could fail to take out a single U.S. base in the Gulf.

During the 12 Day War, Iran showed a propensity to keep firing large volleys of ballistic missiles large enough that even though only a small percentage struck their targets, it was still a significant amount that did. They managed to do this even into the last day of the war long after Israel gained air superiority. U.S. bases are also much closer to Iran than Israel is (less than a quarter of the distance in the case of bases in Iraq), so the window for intercepts would be much smaller.
However, Iran's ability to launch these strike was relatively indecisive strategically. Their accuracy was also questionable.

If it was evident and clear that Iran couldn't touch the United States, then they would have capitulated and/or the United States would have started bombing them.
If it was evident and clear that Iran could easily wipe out all U.S. bases in the Gulf, then it is less likely the United States would be attempting gunboat diplomacy.

At the bare minimum I think it's reasonable to acknowledge that the U.S. bases in Iraq would be blasted to shit in event of a conventional war along the lines of the 12 Day War, and the U.S. isn't sure if it's more willing to lose ~2,600 personnel than accept a lighter deal on Iran's nuclear program.
There is also the possibility of the U.S. doing some completely unconventional left-field shit that the Iranians could never predict or prepare for that would limit their response. Such scenarios have been relatively common the past 4 years.

>>64908778
>It is not unreasonable that Iran could take out all U.S. bases in the Gulf.
They can't.

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>>64908778
>It is not unreasonable that Iran could take out all U.S. bases in the Gulf.

>>64908778
I should also add that selecting a "good" and "bad" side in this conflict is ridiculous. Just because Iran is evil does not mean Israel is good, and just because Israel is evil does not mean Iran is good.
It is just as immoral for Iran to go into hospitals to summarily execute injured protestors as it is for Israel to deliberately target prepubescent children with rounds to the chest and head in Gaza.

World War II being the largest war in human history has an extra layer of tragedy in that it was atypical for wars, having relatively distinct good and bad sides, when most wars are evil regimes against evil regimes.
Both Iran and Israel are evil regimes that utterly rape the very concept of human rights and bring untold misery to the region. Rooting for child killing genocidal regimes run by religious zealots is wrong even if it's one fighting another you hate more.

>>64908792
>>64908795
You either lack basic knowledge on the subject or are paid to post this. I already elaborated why it is possible later in the post and you've neglected to provide any counter-arguments.

>>64908809
All they realistically have to strike American bases are ballistic missiles and drones. Their drones just flat out don't carry the firepower to be more than a harassment attack. Their ballistic missiles do not have the numbers or accuracy to be decisive, even if they strike first, before the US counterattacks the silos and TELs.

>>64894603
Shouldn't they be using all those graves to actually bury a bunch of the dead protesters instead of cold storage?

>>64908778
>It is not unreasonable that Iran could take out all U.S. bases in the Gulf.

I think what you meant to say is it's not impossible. It's definitely unreasonable to think that they have a strong chance at disabling even half of the US bases stationed around them. Which even then would result in america chimping out and flattening iran.

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>>64908778
>to keep firing large volleys of ballistic missiles large enough that even though only a small percentage struck their targets, it was still a significant amount that did

Having to take of your shoes to be able to count them doesn't make it a large barrage.

>>64908809
Saying something doesn't make it true anymore then me saying you aren't the product of inbreeding would save your genes. Your entire analysis is predicated on the retarded assumption that just because Iran hasn't been smashed yet, it's because of a lack of capability to defuse them as a threat rather then Iran living purely by the Western world being content with the status quo. Iran has decided that they'd like to rock the boat on the status quo by being substantially more of a pain in the ass over the last two years with the Houthis and Palestinians one hand and advancing their nuclear program on the other, which is why the math is now coming out short on Iran not being worth the hassle and cost of toppling before they become a bigger pain.

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>>64908823
That simply isn't the case from what we observed during the 12 Day War and strike on Al-Assad Airbase in 2020.

Low estimates put remaining Iranian missile stocks at ~1,000 left. That's definitely having the numbers even if the U.S. were to destroy a quarter on the ground.
The 12 Day War also showed the difficulty in targeting silos and TELs to prevent launches.

>>64908834
I think it isn't unreasonable to think they could disable the ones in Iraq and Kuwait.

>>64908838
~30 missiles in a single volley is pretty significant. The strike against Ain Al-Assad Airbase in 2020 used only 12.

The second half of your post is a bizarre disconnect from reality wherein you think non-Iranian actors (Hamas) are Iran destroying of the status quo while Israel launching a full-scale war on Iran is apparently not.
The fact is that while both Israel and Iran have had roughly equal parts in destabilizing the region, Israel has far and away been the one to do away with the status quo. Iran's movements have all been old tired ones taken from their Cold War playbook.

>>64908865
>I think it isn't unreasonable to think they could disable the ones in Iraq and Kuwait.
lol

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>>64908891
Look at a map dummy lol

>>64908865
>non-Iranian actors (Hamas)

Ah yes, the people using Iranian weapons, Iranian funding, and being supported by Iranian officials have no relationship to Iran

>>64908905
There's a difference between Hezbollah who take marching orders from Iran and Hamas who get guns and money but do whatever the fuck they want.
Even Israel acknowledges Iran had no foreknowledge of 10/7. You can tell how unprepared they were for it by Hezbollah's response.

>>64908865
More important than stocks is launchers, which have already been attrited and will be almost immediately attacked after any launch. Furthermore, Iran cannot politically risk a first strike. Doing so gives their enemies a blank check to attack them in kind. The Americans will almost certainly have the first strike advantage, reducing the size of Iranian salvos from the start and getting American servicemen prepared to receive any salvo before it can even be launched.

>>64893984
>bribe
Still trying to push this angle? When the most likely scenario is Venezuelans wanted Maduro out for a long time so they didn't give much fucks if someone with the ability to kick him out did try. Even his personal guard were foreigners because he didn't trust his own countryman.

>>64908908
>we only gave them guns and money
>we aren't responsible for what they did with them!

>>64908946
They hold some sense of responsibility but they aren't the architects are perpetrators, meaning they weren't the ones that changed the status quo. Them giving arms to Hamas *was* the status quo, Hamas going apeshit on their own was not.
This isn't a defense of Iran. Just a criticism of the argument that somehow Iran is the only country in the region changing the status quo that the other anon made.

>>64908962
architects or*

>>64908962
>we armed terrorists and they caused a bigger problem them usual
>what do you mean people now have more reason then before to want us to stop?

Do you think the US would have gone to Afghanistan if 9/11 hadn't occurred? Do you not understand that if you state sponsor terrorists, people are going to hold you responsible for their actions when they succeed?

>>64908988
You're missing the point of the argument. Them stopping would be changing the status quo, which proves my point.

>>64908989
No, you're being willfully ignorant in pretending as though just because Hamas was a bumbling pack of idiots and achieving nothing for a long time that their rocking of the boat with Iran's help means that Iran isn't responsible because they achieved nothing beforehand.

>>64909047
If somebody you know tries to and succeeds in changing the status quo without you knowing, expecting or wanting them to, using material you gave them in maintaining the status quo, then you did not change or try to change the status quo. It really is that simple. You have an argument in terms of moral responsibility but "changing the status quo" requires intent to do so where there clearly was none. You cannot try to change the status quo without trying to change the status quo, and Iran did not try to change the status quo.

>SLBM spam
>posts pic of Fast Attack
Shiggy diggy doo.

>>64909080
Good thing the rest of the world isn't as retarded as you, and as it turns out, if you don't keep you pet retards on a tight leash and they go bite someone, people are going to look to you as well.

>>64909104
I'm talking sense and you're unable to form a counter-argument lol
I dunno why this particular point of truth is getting you so heated.

>>64892025
"IF."

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>>64909120

>>64909159
So are you admitting to pretending? Or are you just retarded? Because you've still been incapable of refuting the sense I've spoken.

>>64893949
>>64898964
>>64901461
>Posting the mossad/cis primer image so you dismiss any actual hit f35's in the next 10 years as AI
Lmao

>>64909095
He meant cruise missiles. Obviously we're not going to just start nuking random countries.

>>64909218
>y-you posted our thirdie attempt at using AI to claim we shot down a plane
>a-and it was embarrassing to us thirdies
>therefore it must’ve been mossad to discredit us!
YOU did this to yourselves lmao.
>future shot down F35’s
You’re never shooting down an F35, thirdie.

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>>64892025
Iran's air defense sucketh ass - Israel

Air superiority time?

Counterstrikes?

>>64892025
>>529367032
PLEASE POST THIS EVERYWHERE WHERE THE RUSSIAN CAN SEE IT :

>THE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCED MUST BE READY TO BE DEPLOYED TO URMIA, THE IRANIAN KURDISTAN AND NEAR THE CASPIAN SEA

>THEY MUST BE DEPLOYED THERE TO BLOCK ANY turkish INVASION OF IRAN AND PROTECTING RUSSIA'S FLANK.

PLEASE POST THIS EVERYWHERE WHERE THR IRANIAN CAN SEE IT.

>THE IRANIAN MILITARY MUST PROTECTED URMIA AND THE IRANIAN KURDISTAN AND GIVE WEAPONS TO THR KURDISH POPULATION TO PREVENT ANY INVASION OF THE DISGUSTING turkish SCOUNDRELS.

>>64909631
would their child be ethnically jewish?

>>64909675
didn't read

Well the bombing runs kicked off by now
wonder how many days until all the thirdie cope of how all us bases within 2000 miles of iran will spontaneously combust will switch to a "umm we won a moral victory"

>>64909711
Women can't have children with women you retard

>>64909764
You don't get it, this doesn't count because Iran wasn't ready or something. The real question is who's gonna be the lucky ship in the USN to get to claim the first carrier kill since WWII, even if it's an Iranian cope carrier to go with their cope cruise missiles.

>>64905657
it looked more like a chinese liveleak video than any kind of attack

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>>64903034
>>64905657
>[metal_pipe.avi]

>>64892025
If any Iranian submarines were active the crews are probably sleeping with fishes already. Old diesel-electric submarine is the last place you want to be in when USA decides to whack your country.

>>64892025
BALLISTIC MISSILES ON TGE WAY TO ISRAEL

Uhhhhhh so when will the super credible eradication of US bases start? Iran must be planning some pretty sophisticated strikes given how many hours its taking to launch them.

>>64909806
Apparently Iranian state TV has stated they're preparing retaliation against Israel, no mention of America so far for some reason

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>>64909816
Think they thought ahead enough prerecord a message instead of doing it live to avoid this happening again?

>>64909819
Would be a shame if they did, a repeat of this would be kino

>>64909806
You can’t rush those things. First they gotta find a flag that appropriately conveys the threat they intend to project. Just destroying enemy assets isn’t how you do it.

>>64909824
Ya know, as much I've posted it, I never really noticed the wildest thing about it which is that it must have been an actual fucking TV screen behind her instead of a greenscreen with the way it just goes black the moment the explosion shakes the building.

>>64909839
Kek, it does look like it's a TV
Maybe they can upgrade their setup after when sanctions are lifted

>>64909768
what?

>>64893872
Well start taking them out you're already under attack. Should be easy.

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>>64893872
>>64892025
>>64908778
>>64908898
Turns out the bases are safe.
Iran prefers to stick to the grand strategy of shooting at random shit in Israel rather than US military targets.

>>64909912
To be fair, their only fucking hope is the US getting bored and dead servicemen is a wonderful way to make sure that doesn't happen. Still fucking hilarious to have this happen while this thread is alive lmao

>>64909912
they're firing at Bahrain apparently

>>64909912
Good fucking lord just how embarrassing must it be to be a turdie who genuinely believed that ziggers and random muzdogs like iran would be the standard bearers against le ebil west?
And then one gets bogged down for 4 years 50km into their former puppet state and the other is too scared to even act against the country actively bombing them. Unreal.

>>64892025
>Reports of sirens, shelter in place alerts, and alerts of imminent missile attack now in the UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar.
Bases being targeted?

I legit do not understand how anyone can believe Iran are a threat to anyone. They've functionally always been controlled opposition, all their operations are half-assed, massively telegraphed and it turns out they phone Pissrael, US and UK before any strike.
Their grand strat is going to be raising a flag, shooting some empty fields and then trying to back down.
Like lets be real, if Iran got a nuke, with their pathetic lame behaviour, they would never actually use it.

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>2022
>within hours of the war starting and with its limited missile stocks Ukraine is hitting Russian air force bases
>2026
>despite having months to prepare and allegedly years of missile stocks the first thing Iran fires at are Israeli civilian centers
>completely ignoring US bases it was threatening to destroy for months

>>64909934
>browns reap the consequences of their own actions
>"umm akshually those were jews all along, ignore the years I spent shilling for them"
Thank you for reminding us that muslims are incapable of independent decision-making and killing them is no different from shooting a bear.

>>64893881
Persians are not Arabs tf

How long will it take for Iran to burn through all of its ballistic missiles? Once they run out that's when the regime's likely to get close to collapse.

>>64909934
People who regularly give their big fancy weapons to terrorists and other non-state actors aren't going to be allowed to have nuclear weapons that they might think are funny to give away some day, and while their strikes on Israel during the war weren't effective, they did launch enough that if any of them had a nuclear warhead, it would have been a problem. It turns out that if you constantly fuck with everyone around you, no one is going to be happy to let you get nukes. North Korea gets to have nukes because they don't fuck with anyone else at a big enough level to be a problem worth dealing with, since having to integrate the population of North Korea to the rest of the world is a much bigger economic threat then their actual nukes.

>>64909939
ukrops are slavs, which are white-adjacent
irgc fuck goats for a living

>>64892025
Something blew up in Bahrain

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What color flag do they have up?

>>64909951
Norks are allowed to have nukes because it would be a headache to attack them, seoul would get recked and most importantly norks having nukes is a much bigger ballache for china. If iran was located between india and china US wouldn’t give a shit about their nuclear saber rattling.

>>64909964
Conversely, do you think the Norks would be allowed to have them if they'd been giving AShMs to Soumali pirates to shoot at random shipping? The Nork's nuclear stockpile isn't big enough that it can credibly overwhelm a dedicated Western defense system, as Patriot and friends have shown in Ukraine and all the various jewish space magic in Israel, and the "artillery would level Seoul" meme is just that if you read some modern analysis. Iran being a spot that they're a major pinchpoint in global shipping is certainly part of the reason them being belligerant isn't overlooked, but even if it was to an extent, Iran has fucked around a little too hard in the past few years and now is in the find out portion of the entertainment.

>>64892025
>Two weeks ago, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, told me he expected it would be weeks not months before the United States launched an attack aimed at toppling the Iranian government. That prediction appears to have been correct.
2 more weeks bros...

So who do brown people rally behind now? Its just china left, right? Theyre the only paper tiger yet to try and roar.

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why is nobody talking about the attack in Bahrain

>>64909988
Canada

>>64909988
They still have Russia.

>>64909972
Hmm, fair enough

>>64909994
I mentioned it already actually
You're late

>>64909994
Nobody know anything yet.

>>64909988
I've been saying for years that /pol/ will be worshiping China by the end of the decade, so put me down for twenty.

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>>64909994
They missed.
>Looks like the strike was IVO Bahrain Flour Mills Company likely target was GCC Unified Maritime Operations Center.

>>64892029
The news is telling me that the 5th fleet HQ in Bahrain has already been hit. You post may not have aged well.

>>64910029
They hit a flour mill retard

>>64910032
How do you know it's a flour mill? Who even puts a flour mill in the middle of a city instead of near the wheat fields?

>>64910007
China at least manufactures a lot of cool shit, including things that improve the turdworlder life like solar panels (gumbints incapable of providing reliable power so just make your own) or cheap phones, and chinese tier 1 cities are scifi shit
in contrast russia is a total shithole outside of moscow/pidorsburg and iran is a shithole in general. never really understood turdies cheering on those.

>>64910037
>well it COULD have been an US biolab

>>64910037
Probably because they import all of their grain and don't have wheat fields is my guess.

>>64910023
Source?

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>>64910029
According to whom, some weird arabic twitter feed that makes up bullshit for 80% of its posts?

>>64910042
That sounds plausible.

Bahrain US naval base hit with missile from Iran

kek

>>64910050
The Iranians have successfully STRUCK BACK against the GREAT SATAN brother in Islam
Inshallah
HAHAHAHAHA

>>64910050
Heard it on the telly. It's still early days, so they could be wrong. But the same logic sure does apply to any post here.

>>64910055
Scroll up, retard. You can see where the explosion was and they missed

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>>64910053
>the previous 10 replies are spent disproving his claim and ridiculing him
>so he just pretends he didn't see any of it, and makes the same claim again
This is why we laugh at you, achmed. Pathetic.

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>>64910037
Please point to the wheat fields senpai.

>>64910057
All I see is a smoke cloud near the water. How am I supposed to know what got hit or if that's even a flour mill vs a naval base?

>>64910053
https://x.com/DeItaone/status/2027679591750422733
>SEVERAL U.S BASES IN KUWAIT, UAE, QATAR AND BAHRAIN ARE UNDER ATTACK BY IRAN'S IRGC - FARS

Not just one base, but looks like multiple bases

>>64910064
A fucking map? Go ask Google where the naval base is if you can't recognize the obvious structure of a mill in the middle/right edge of the smoke cloud

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>>64910042
They're an extremely urbanized desert island the size of a postage stamp so your guess is correct.
But expand it out to all their food in general.
https://www.newsofbahrain.com/bahrain/118879.html

>>64910058
https://x.com/clashreport/status/2027679392462475484
https://x.com/clashreport/status/2027679743047278709

Multiple angles

>>64910061
Raw wheat is usually transported in bulk and milled locally.

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>>64910065
Wow that sure is a reputable source you have there

Seriously, how do you even listen to a page like this? Are you that desperate for anyone who will support your worldview?

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>>64910079
Classic case of pic rel

>>64910075
>near
kek

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>>64893872
Saved for posteriority.

>>64910068
I'm looking, but google maps doesn't want to show me the naval base. Can you give me the address of the flour mill that got hit?

The TV just told me again that the 5th Fleet HQ was struck.

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>>64910075
>near the U.S. base
>near
This is pathetic dude, just take the L

>>64910085
Reopened the thread just to have a giggle.

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>>64910086
>he keeps insisting it's on TV
>he won't name the news channel
Gee I wonder why this might be. Could it be that it is a hilariously bullshit third world slop network? Or perhaps he is simply lying through his teeth?

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>>64910092
I've got it, but I can't see it as the same location in the picture with the smoke cloud. I can't see the long dock in the bottom right of my pic (where I presume the naval base is). I can't match any of the buildings or roads, either.

>>64909976
Donald at least acknowledged that there will be US casualties and deaths in his opening speech, unlike a certain balding manlet that kept pretending there were no casualties three month into a ground invasion.

Everyone is talking about US bases.
But what got hit inside Iran?

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>>64910092
To be fair, if I'm reading the map right, that is a VERY close miss. They might even have gotten the baseball field.

>>64910107
>I can't see the long dock in the bottom right of my pic

Are you blind? It's to the top left of the dust cloud's far left edge jutting out into the water. Perspective is making it not look that long, which is why anon was so nice as to include the perspective picture showing the geolocation matching from the perspective of the camera in the same image. There's no ships moored there because the war is on.

>>64910112
Iran turned off the internet, but you can safely assume everything.

>>64910112
VIP targets. Intel agencies, missile defense systems, political headquarters, etc

>>64910075
https://x.com/RyanSaavedra/status/2027673957210722588

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>>64910107
>>64910113
It was a miss and it wasn't close.

>>64910029
There is a world of difference between attacking something and taking it out.

https://monitor-the-situation.com/middle-east

>>64910112
>what got hit inside Iran
My question as well

>>64910134
Okay, that's a lot better than mine. Thank you for your autism anon.

>>64910142
So far all I've heard is the government buildings got hit. Apparently they were going for the Iranian leader.

Trump specifically said "We are going to annihilate their navy", so I guess the Iranian carriers are being hit as we speak.

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>>64910154
>Iranian carriers
Oh boy, an excuse to post this again? Don't mind if I do!

>>64910154
Sub, surface, or pilot who gets to claim the kill? Taking all bets. My money is on pilot for the irony, but I'm sure everyone was chomping at the bit for their chance at glory.

>>64910166
Very likely not even targeted yet, because it's not a threat worth hitting at the moment. My bet is it will be bombed by a jet after SEAD has taken out every SAM in the country. It might actually survive the war. It's just a cargo ship with some RC planes on it.

Car full of US servicemen panicking as they watch their base get hit in Barhrain
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2027677928062906449

Seems they did actually hit it after all.

Tomahawk spam is an expensive option and their production rate is limited. Iranian air defense has been thoroughly penetrated and compromised it's cheaper to spam JDAMs and such.

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>>64910192
Geolocation of observer, definite hit to the US base

>>64910192
>"oh my god" in response to huge badass explosion
>umm ackshually this means that the base was directly hit!!!
Keep the copium coming. This is hilarious.

>>64910185
Counterpoint. Would you pass the opportunity to sink the first carrier since WWII for the small cost of a couple of Quicksinks and a bit of jet fuel, if you were a USN Admiral or even O6 in charge of a CSG? It's worth sinking just to deny the Iranians the ability to launch recon drones to look for the CSGs from it on a strategic level, and also it's a nice little bit of justifiable gloryhounding when you're up on the next board.

>>64910197
>please ignore the geolocation where you can clearly see the point of impact
>instead, refer to this one where you can't see it at all

>>64910203
It's probably on the list of targets. I'm just saying it might not be hit by the time the war is over.

>>64910192
>WOOHOO YO
They sound terrified

Lmao

>>64910200
>>64910205
Doing a quick and dirty, the closest match I can find for the foreground building (adobe color with dish on the roof) is at 26°12'24.9"N 50°36'46.2"E. That would make the building behind it the main structure on the South side of the base, and the missile goes even further beyond that.

>>64910209
I understand your reasoning, I just think that the collective sound of boners slapping against the undersides of the table if you gave USN brass the chance to not only sink an enemy warship, but carrier no less, as garbage and cope as it may be, means that if I was a Iranian sailor aboard, I'd already have my life vest on, based on my personal interactions with USN officers.

>>64910200
>>64910205
Guys, don't be vatniks or turdie about this. You can literally go on google streetview and see it's the same wall, and the same view. There's been some new buildings added since 2021 is all.
One base getting hit doesn't mean the end of America or that American bases all over the mideast are about to be erased.
The flour mills don't have that distinctive wall with the sylized embrasures in it in front of it. Only the US base does.
Don't act like thirdies.

>>64910192
they're panicked because now they won't be able to get freshly milled flour to bake bread

>>64910225
See >>64910134 you fucking retard

>>64910219
Yep. Looks like it lines up with >>64910134

>>64910225
>i-if you don't believe me or my random bullshit twitter posts, you're a vatnik or a thirdie
Kill yourself achmed. The footage clearly shows a miss. Fuck, in >>64910134 you can even see a fucking grain silo right next to the point of impact lmao

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>>64910232
Stopbeing a thirdie about this. Pic left is the flour mill. Pic right is the US base. What do you notice about the walls in front?
Only the US base has that distinctive wall.

>>64910243
Are you just going to ignore the pictures with a much better angle? You are projecting your third world brain on everyone else.

>>64910245
Please understand. Malnutrition leads to brain damage which means he has trouble with understanding concepts such as perspective and depth. For 1 dollar a day, you can donate to his poor village in Durkastan and help prevent future tragedies like this from occurring.