I love how Cold War aircraft have a distinct aesthetic based on the race which built them.
>>64892548lmfao its just like cars before aerodynamic modeling. all the brands were different until they optimized
>>64892691>falling for /o/ propaganda
>>64892548>you are now aware French is a Race
>>64892548it's got downs...
>>64892548I really dont get why people find the VIctor a good looking design. Aesthetically speaking most of their equipment was an eye sore.
>>64893284Bongs desperate for crumbs of things to be proud of, which is still weird given that they also had the Vulkan and that was actually pretty cool
>>64893284Engines integrated into the wing root just look better.
>>64893284It's Gothic.
>>64893310They do have something to be proud of, they had pretty innovative engineering solutions, superb engine building with sleeve valves or the Napier deltic engine locomotives. >>64893372The early version was at least sleek and clean, the upgraded ones are absolute monstrosities with shit protruding everywhere and mismatched shapes. >>64893518Just like British Women, British Cuisine and British Teeth.
Race? Isn't it more about which country?It's basically just different flavor whites. With Americans making the most aesthetic, obviously.
>>64892548>I love how Cold War aircraft have a distinct aesthetic based on the race which built them.lmao, the US saw this thing and said>"yah, ill just take that, same color and everything, close as you can figure it..!"and you got F14's and F15's
>>64895352...you do know mig 25 is mostly inspired by the vigilante?
>>64895403And the A-5 was inspired by the La-250, which was inspired by the XF-88, which was inspired by the Messerschmitt P.1110.
Play that game and all airplanes were inspired by the Wright Flyer.
you played too many videogames
>>64895422Pretty sure you are trolling, but fyi the a3j was influenced by the work done on the xf-108 rapier, which was a companion to the xb-70.
>>64895435I was not trolling, but I got confused with the F-101... Apologies.>XF-108 Rapist
>>64895428The Wright Bros were inspired by Otto Lilienthal.
>>64895447Lilienthal was inspired by the Montgolfier Brothers
>Bong Aesthetic
>>64893372>Engines integrated into the wing root just look better.true but it's probably horrific to service
>>64893544downs but delighted
>>64897256Do not question the raw, sexual, power of tea powered aircraft design!
>>64892548I genuinely cannot comprehend how britbongs planefags circlejerk about this aircraft and genuinely believe it to be beautiful.It's truly fuck-ugly, outright disgusting and nausea inducing.
>>64897256Bongs shouldn't never have been allowed to build airplanes.
>>64897256>One of a kind prototype designed purely for testing flight positionsCome on Anon, we made some right pigs of aircraft, do better. Don't pick something that inherently was going to be ugly.>>64897880It's the ugliest of the V-bombers which makes it even more baffling as to why people fap to it. t. Britbong
>>64897927The valiant is objectively the worst looking because of the cruciform tail and bulging cockpitThen vulcan, again because of the bulging cockpit and upsettingly wide and blunt noseVictor has perfect clean lines, an aggressive slant to her shoulders, and a sick tail
Everyone remembers the Vulcan and Victor, I had to search to remember the Valiant. Though when it comes to bombers, I like them ugly/odd looking.
>>64898015From certain angles the Victor looks great, from others it looks unnatural. I think the fuselage is too smooth compared to ridges and bumps on the wings. Did later variants get fattened up a bit? Because some images I see look different.
>>64892976It ain't propaganda if it's true. To be sure, it was more than just pure aerodynamics, but certain designs became "optimal," and so the incentive to deviate became nonexistent.
>>64893246>>64895287Race is not a technical term from anthropology, it's a generic term used to refer to categories of people of varying sizes. The Europeans had a far more nuanced view of "race" before the internet came and led to the mass-export of America's distinctly color-coded approach to racial categorization.
>>64895352That's a MiG-31, which first flew in 1975. The Tomcat's first flight was in 1970, the Eagle's in '72. You're thinking of the MiG-25, which first flew (as an unarmed recon plane) in 1964.
>>64897237Hell yeah, Skyray!
>>64897880We're talking about a people that think spending a weekend in a trailer park is a vacation
The French gave up entirely in the 60s and spent 40 years building different flavors of the same Dorito.
>>64893284>>64893310Russians seething about their 4 year humiliation
>>64898298And now everyone builds delta wings. Seems like they were right all along.
>>64892548>thread with anything british>right around the time warriortard usually wakes up the amount of seething about anything british explodesKinda funny once you get it.
>>64898298If it ain't broke...
>Adds more triangles to your triangle
>>64898298>>64898397The Mirage F1, Super Entendard, Alphajet and Jaguar are hardly doritos.And the French dorito uses very american ingredients...
>>64898466>XP-92That thing looks so stupid, kind of cute.
>>64898519Note that midway through development the tail got extended to add an afterburner.>>64893372Honestly that might been the defining characteristic of early british jets, i don't think other countries did it as often.
>>64898545My dad was at this airshow as kid.His best friend's dad was a B-58 pilot and took them to see it. I have a bunch of pics and some video footage I recovered from University archives, if you care.
>>64899465Post that shit, nigga.
>>64899504Here is the news broadcast transcript from WBAP-TV for the airshow.
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>>64899552I've got a lot of pics, though.I won't post everything, as I don't want to hijack the thread. Maybe one day I'll make a thread when the shills get tired of dominating the catalog with threads about Iran or the slav civil war.
>>64892976It's not propaganda. Everything undergoes a stage of experimentation before standardizing based on lessons learned. It's why ships all look the same, it's why tanks all look the same.
>>64895352Say "thank you" for those SPAM cans. "Thank you Mr. AMERICAN"
>>64899574The way planes look has to do with the technology available and the constraints imposed upon the design. The technology available may stagnate over time, but a plase designed for subsonic speed will always look different from a supersonic plane, as an example.
>>64892548Looks like the tip of a cock with the skin pulled back. I would know.
>>64898015The bulge below the cockpit of the victor looks ridiculous. Valiant just looks like a relatively normal plane and Vulcan is sex.
>>64899940I'm on team aerodynamics.Ironically it's also the best for spaceplanes despite being useless in vacuum.
>>64900304>Ironically it's also the best for spaceplanes despite being useless in vacuum.Elaborate please anon
>>64900339>plane need go fast get space>air thick>needle plan go fast in thick air, get space>space NO AIR!! >:(>needle plane long, long mean heavy mass>heavy mass need more gas make plane move in space>tyranny of rocket equation
>>64900304Team powerplant making missles and rockets without your help.
I love any plane developed from the late 40s to the late 50s before anyone really got the hang of making good jets and good engines. All of their shortcomings failures and quirks are very SOVLful
>>64900688If I were president I'd organize a special election to decide between retvrning the world to an early 50s technology level, the stone age, or the age of sail.
>>64899940Wing+maintenance master race. You really don't need anything else.
>>64899465arguably the best ever airshow in terms of variety of airplanes that the general public could look really closely, even if they were really new.
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I love MiG-21
>>64895444a3j should have borrowed the bomb bay from the 101 at least, their own idea didn't really work out. Or at least use a pod beneath the plane like the B-58 or the Mirage IV.
>>64899940Armament won.
>>64895435I really hate how so many historical photos are being absolutely ruined by AI upscaling in the pursuit of 'getting rid of ugly grain.' Look at everything in the background there, it's all just fucking melting.
>>64893284it's got that slightly odd distinct bong aesthetic, like thunderbirds
>>64901402>distinct bong aestheticWell, that's one name for it...
>>64898039Bison that had to go to the store because sometimes you need to go to the store.
>>64898298But 50's french planes were glouriously mental.
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>>64901483Oh good, it's back with the milk. Already such a long/lanky looking plane and that twin tail makes it look even more flimsy.
From the back though. Absolute sex.
>>64899940Everyone knows the CAD group would want to make a round ultra-aerodynamic model that is impossible to practically assemble in physical reality.
>>64902509This image was probably made in the 80's, back when tron was the pinnacle of computer graphics and they were getting started on the f117.
>>64902390You just know the first test pilot to launch this thing had sweaty palms and an eye towards the ejector switch.
>>64899569>>64899552>>64899549>>64899542>>64899539Hyper giga turbo bangers
>>64897256Hot.
>>64893251>>(You)>>64893310Cope and seethr.
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>>64899539They painted fucking white walls on the tires, holy shit!
>>64904117Riveted deck plating?Imagine what that was like to taxi on.
>>64893310In fairness they were likely the first to invent a functional jet engine. Frank Whittle apparently beat even ze Germans at it, although he went with a centrifugal compressor instead of an axial like ze Germans did.
>>64906532Bong engine madness is one of favorite sub ganers
>>64897894Why you don't like a pregnant plane?
>>64893544>British TeethThe 5th healthiest in the world? Huh?
>>64906560Not all that crazy for a 2 stroke. Is this for one of those giant diesels?
>>64906602A pretty popular aero engine in ww2, mainly on the British side, powered planes like the Typhoon, Tempest, Beaufighter, Sea Fury, Short sterling, Halifax and a buch of transporters. I think you have the Deltic Napier engine in mind, that one powered a bunch of post war diesel locomotives and was equally insane.
Past Generations just had more Style
Lockheed made some gorgeous jets.
>>64892548I only know of this from the Griffin in war robots.https://youtu.be/fZw4YYXsT5Y?si=0UBMtI0osxUDxyu8
>>64899940>Production engineering groupThat's basically drone warfare right now
>>64900694you would not, you would do what your masters tell you to do
>>64899940for me it's powerplant group
>>64912940I would throw big rocks at them until they go away
Some photos are clearer as to which country designed the plane than others.
>>64916550How cool would it be to bring these back as APKWS trucks.
Now that electronics have improved so much, maybe it's time to recover once impractical ideas from the 50's...
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Buccaneer. Blackburn never made a submarine iirc.
>>64904743>ditf_cockpit.jpgwhat is this?
>>64895352>US thought soviets made a superplane when they spied the big migger out>copied everything they could, built the rest up with multirole fighter sensibilities instead of pure interceptor ones>actually ended up with a superplaneIf that's not a perfect illustration for cold war engineering, I don't know what is. Soviets strapped two of the biggest engines they had to a pair of wings to make the most badass interceptor ever, and Americans took that pair of wings, made it in alu instead of steel and made the most badass fighter ever.
>>64921653>>64921671I like the Soviet gunpods for the Su-17/22 and Su-24. Able to fire ahead (or behind if mounted reverse) and be angled downward.
>>64922155Anon... you do know the F-15 project predated the reveal of the MiG-25?
>>64897894cool flap mechanism though.
>>64921787Darling In The Fraxx. Its an anime about kids piloting giant robots in doggy and discovering that girls/boys aren't actually icky and we should totally bang. Also the FMC becomes space jesus and flies off to transform into a galaxy or something. Ginax endings suck
>>64899940avionics group work for nasa
>>64892691It's not about aerodynamics. It's about aping each other based on what marketing says is popular + significant rising of development and production cost. You can't make a car with low numbers using conventional automaker approaches and be in the black.
>>64901291Not as much as they wanted to.
>>64928859interesting take probably true
>>64898161this triggered a deep, deep memory. As a kid, I had a toy aircraft carrier that could spring-launch little aircraft off the deck, and I think this was the design used for those tiny toy planes! I distinctly remember those rounded wingtips.
>>64919103your fighter now gets TWO USB ports for your peripherals!
>>64919103The rectangular exhaust nozzles on the STOL/MTD simply look better than the round nozzles on the regular F15 and F15 active.
The 3 paddle nozzles on the NASA F-18 HARV are wild.
>>64931079 My bad it was just 2 nozzles per engine.
>>64931079Looks less busy on the rockwell mbb x-31:
>>64931132although the x-31 does look pretty weird flying around without the tail.
>>64917469I can think of a better candidate.
>>64899569>SR71 and a fucking U2 at an air show>when they were still not confirmed to exist publiclyThis seems fake. What is this?
>>64940261Not a SR71.A-12Read the reply chains for more info
>>64938394Bad choice.The F89 was set to ripple fire. You could only fire in batches. Read the Battle of Palmdalehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Palmdale
>>64902374>Look Pierre, we build a rocke for you to fly!>Oui Francois, but what about le warhead?>You are le warhead, Pierre...
>>64940569French nukes came in such sexy packages.
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>>64940567The f89 was only set to ripple fire unguided, contact fuse rockets. When it was set up to fire guided missiles, it launched them one at the time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqJG5DDjdM
>>64915715Hello Scoot.I have an uncle who was USAF in the Vietnam mess, who thought the A4 was the sexiest aircraft, ever. Apparently he got a chance to fly one, and thought the USAF was retarded for not adopting it as a CAS bird.
>>64917469A5's were STUPID fast, but also huge maintenance hogs. Sadly the Navy never really figured out what to do with them, then they were forced with taking a bastardized F111 over what became the F-14 and F-18.
>>64892548Big boom.
Swing wing Barnes Wallis style.
>>64907418>Not all that crazy for a 2 stroke. Is this for one of those giant diesels?Indeed, but the lunatic bongs built a bunch of 4-stroke aero engines using sleeve valves like this.Just look at the simple and sensible gear setup used to drive all the crankshafts that push and pull the sleeves up and down.
>>64944355and cutting it close for the aircraft carriers they had.
>>64947036Yeah, a bomber with a rear ejecting bomb bay that had a habit of pooping itself on launch is not the best way to deliver a nuclear payload.I think they got recon duties mostly.
>>64940569It wasn't launched like a rocket...
>>64940261airshows used to be coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0wHkhB5MuU
>>64928859>It's about aping each other based onIt's about using the same tooling and parts all supplied by the same factory in China.
>>64902390>>64904057Man what the hell were they thinking...>Morel soon complained that the only way he could accurately gauge height was by listening for a change in pitch in the engine’s hum. The test team whipped up a fix in which a contact light was tripped when a string on a pebble, dangling from the side of the engine, went slack as the aircraft approached the ground.Imagine having to explain to a grieving widow that her husband is dead because the little retard rock fell off his plane.
>>64957414That canopy is sex
>>64922155Boron fiberEven lighter than carbon fiberT.fatherworkedatnintento
>>64931132>>64931148Lipsthatgrip
>>64931132>>64931148I just love sleek looking canard planes. Mirages with them, Rafales, J-10s, Gripens. >Rockwell-Messerschmitt-Bölkow-BlohmJesus.
>>64893544>British CuisineUnironically this meme makes me butthurt. Scottish food is great and so are the fundamental basics of English food. Absolutely nothing wrong with roasted meats and vegetables.>Haggis is disgusting!!Why? How did this meme even start? It's just meat, cunts. If you eat muscles already why is eating other organs so "icky"?
>>64893284They're working around weak thirsty engines and big range ask. Also subsonic optimisation and glass canopies. But you're not wrong. Remember these are 50s designs.
>>64927431Wtf is it with these retarded names in anime"Darling in the Franxx", I mean what the fuck Just look at it, I'm not even an English native speaker and I can tell it's stupid
>>64967996but you ARE a speaker, they're overwhlemingly not and are just throwing words together that sound cool when divorced of meaning (or so poorly translated that it loses it anyway)wasei eigo
