Seems like RF AA system loses are accelerating, each day we get at least one or two getting clapped by these fairly large drones with 50kg warheads. Are Russians slowly losing the AA coverage of occupied territories?
Depends on how many the Russians can replace versus how many are lost per month/year. Though it does seem like Russia is consistently losing AA assets far quicker than it has in the past. I'm not sure why that would be the case, but I think it has to do with the fact that the Ukrainians have far more "moderately" ranged UAVs to hit them with (as well as the fact that I think that the Ukrainians are starting to push for more rear-line areas to be hit in order to further cripple Russia's front lines) along with a general degradation of Russia's AA units to the point where those guys just gave up on even trying. Also, there's word that apparently newly refurbished Tors and other tracked AA vehicles that have T-80 hulls due to the last remaining T-80s not being fit for MBT service
>>64896524>Hit>Miss>Hit on abandoned ukrainian buk>Miss
>>64896586What gives you the impression russia is capable of replacing any of them? Kek
>>64896593Gotta be some potent stuff you're huffing there
>>64896598Yes sis they suddenly lost ability to make aa systems, especially considering not a single has been harmed on this video
>>64896586>I'm not sure whyTheir communications are in shambles. First the loss of starlink, then monke tried to block telegram lol.That's one major reason for the ongoing increased rate of losses, not specific to AA losses though.>refurbished Tors and other tracked AA vehicles that have T-80 hullsSounds cool but weird. Why put them on a different chassis? Or did they have spare turrets in storage? Are they even compatible with the T-80 chassis?
>Air defense>Clearly doesn't defend the airWhat did they mean by this?
>>64896598I can't seem to find any production/refurbishment numbers for the most of the AA systems that fire missiles, but apparently Russia could only produce 5-10 Buk-M3s per year. And from what I've found, the Buks are being lost as such a rate that Russia is losing more than they can make. Though I think Russia's rate of loss for its radars is in a dire situation to the point where I have to question whether or not their AA envelopes will slowly start to coalesce around key C&C targets instead of random airfields/outposts
>>64896619zigger :)
How effective are they? 50kg is definitely a lot, but are they better than let's say a javelin hit?
>>64896625>no crying in the cuck-chair
>>64896623>Why put them on a different chassis?I misstyped, it was TOS and not TORs that the T-80s were being refurbished into. However, it's because Omsk is running out of viable T-80 hulls for the MBT role and they're moving on to refurbishing T-72s to keep up with the continuous MBT losses. From my understanding, the remaining T-80s are being turned into BREMS, TOS, BMPTs, and anything else that can use the T-80 hull as a main body. >Or did they have spare turrets in storage?I think Omsk has run either ran out of turrets for the T-80s or it became obvious that the remaining hulls that are currently in Omsk and still in storage depots that their hulls are unfit for the tank roles, why? We won't ever know until a book gets published about Moscows mad dash for MBT refurbishment and the absolute shitshow that we are seeing it as. >Are they even compatible with the T-80 chassis?BREM-80Us are based off of the T-80 hulls and as for the others I have a feeling that it doesn't take much to restructure T-80 hulls to fit the needs of whatever classification of vehicle that they are refurbishing them for.
>>64896657Javelin has a payload of roughly 8.5 kg, but the warhead for the FP-2s are designed for lightly armored targets like TORs and Pantsirs
So that's why there's so many jeets spamming glavset todayGood work, ukies
>>64896657Very? If anything 50kg seems really fucking excessive considering drones have to make serious mass compromises between payload, battery and fiber spool.AT mines and javelins are under 10kg and they're enough to stop MBTs.Ukies used to drop AT mines and similarly sized HE charges from agridrones.Hell, even old PG-7V warheads ziptied onto FPVs are enough to blow up russian MBTs.Not to mention ukies have developed their own cumulative charge drone payloads.For what purpose would they need 50kg payloads on drones?
>>64896524It's a good news but the Russian "AA" system is so deep due to their "spam AA system until NATO looses all its planes" doctrine, I doubt they will run out of Tor, Buk, Pantsir and so on anytime soon.
>>64896699>For what purpose would they need 50kg payloads on drones?I imagine they're specialized anti-material drones now that they're in the age of tank extinction. Remember that Javelins can be light because they are just really well-made EFP warheads that just need to hit something critical to mission-kill a tank. If you're looking to guarantee a total wreck of a radar/SAM system, that might be their reasoning of fuck-off payloads.
>>64896699> For what purpose would they need 50kg payloads on drones?Because you need to blow up anything that drone can find
>>64896699>For what purpose would they need 50kg payloads on drones?I can only imagine its for missing but still getting a kill. AGM88's warhead is about 70kg for example. 50kg is squarely in the same realm for filler weight as MK81 250lb bombs that were withdrawn for being too weak in the era before guidance kits and PGMs, make of that what you will.
HEAT jets have a rather disappointing destructive effect unless they hit the ammunition, fuel, or crew inside the vehicle.
>>64896699Wrong kind of drone you're thinking of.
>>64896766They've been caught using 100kg (220lb) HE/Frag bombs on FP-2s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFAB-100-120
>>64896619>suddenlyit happened in the 90's
>>64896743in my opinion its because a 50kg warhead lets it double as an anti personnel/anti structure warhead which is probably a capability the ukies get a lot of use out of fighting a war of small groups of infiltrators hiding in basements during a shortage of conventional PGMs
>>64896939Nope, ukies mostly use small FPV-delivered thermobarics for clearing trenches and other enclosed zigger hives.Some people still don't seem to grasp how utterly gamechanging cheap FPVs are. No other weapon system compares to agile slow-flying munitions that can be remotely piloted in realtime. You don't need a ridiculously expensive PGM and its launch platform. You don't even need heavy fixed-wing drone with massive payload. You only need a small FPV worth a few hundred bucks.
>>64896619>especially considering not a single has been harmed on this videoTechnically correct. None were merely harmed in this video. Four of them were simply utterly obliterated from existence.
>>64896593>Hit>Hit>Hit on abandoned russian Buk>HitFTFY.
Oh dog, the side-to-side swerving like that would make me motion sick.
>>64896619>suddenlyno, it happened a long time ago.
>>64896625>air-defense>not made of airwhat did they mean by this?
>>64896625they clearly neutralized those munitions, they won't go on to hit anymore targets
>>64896619BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>6489693950kg class allows anti ship use as well. That’ll sink a Russian corvette
>>64896524>be Ukraine>can easily target Crimea because it's so close to your territory>Russia spams AA there because they need to show strength there for political reasons, also there is the bridge>easily take out AA>Russians move more AA in>repeat forever to thin out Russian air defenceIt's like exploiting the AI in a strategy game where they fall for the same trick infinitely
>>64898779Ah, the ChornobAAyivka Maneuver.
>>64898779>I told Monke, "It just sounds like you are feeding AA systems to the Ukies.">Gerasimov started crying.
>>64896699blow up ziggers
another day another handful of air defense systems getting clapped
>>64896699i believe these drones might be deployed in a general direction and simply look for targets, a 50kg warhead means they can destroy pretty much anything they find except for MBTsAA, artillery, fortifications, command and control assets, etc
>>64900286The real reason is they're fixed-wing drones that lack the agility and precision of 4/6copter drones but have higher payload capacity.
>>64898779These are the guys who kept shoving more helicopters into an airbase that was constantly getting shelled because some retard had, in an alcoholic haze, demanded that a certain amount of helicopters be based out of there at all times. I swear to god they lost like 10% of their helo force to that one.
>>64900171Drone destroyed mission accomplished
>>64900758It was Kherson airport, the epitome of Russian clusterfuck.
>>64897235>You don't need a ridiculously expensive PGM PGMs are cheaper than your crappy drones that require dozens of said drones expended per tatget, while being individually more expensive than artillery shells..
