For me, it's the Venator Class.
It's a good ship. The Providence is just better though.
That's basically the whole thread wrapped up
not yetthere, now the thread is wrapped up
/k/ needs a changing of the guards on it's mods because the current batch are letting to much fictitious trash be gotten away with.
>>64899680there aren't enough mods. for example, rapechink used to be shut down within minutes. now, it's obvious that mods only work within EST business hours.
Does it have a kitchen and a bed?
>>64899680>>64899683nofunz
Why not take out the hangar and put more guns there?
>>64899906Because it is a Carrier, the ship you are looking for is the Victory class Star Destroyer which was supposed to be a staple of the Clone Wars but for some reason they refuse to show it on screen. Lucas Film and Disney seem to hate the Victory class for some reason.That aside, the strategy behind the Venator actually makes a lot of sense. The CIS outguns the Republic with cheaply made droids while the Republic relies on expensive clones who are highly skilled yet limited in numbers. To win the war the Republic can not fight on equal terms, they must always win decisively because their resources are limited and the enemies casualties are much more easily replaced. Big Starships are a slugfest of shields and armor vs gun power so if the Republic fought that kind of fair battle against the enemy then they'd be worn down by CIS's endless mass produced fleet of droid starships.What isn't just a slugfest is Starfighter combat where high skill means high survivability. Clones can shoot down masses of cheap droid fighters with their fighters and nimbly dodge defensive lasers to attack capital ships with their bombers. This allows the clones pilots to establish dominance in space through high skill even with inferior numbers, much the same way clone troopers do on the ground vs battle droids. With that in mind the Venator is perfectly designed, massive hanger bays full of fighters, long range guns to provide supporting fire at a safe distance and lots of defense lasers to destroy any droid fighters / bombers that slip through the fighter picket. The Venator is designed for a strategy that maximizes capital ship retention by letting their elite clone pilots handle most of the fighting.
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>>64899639I like the Imperial Venators
>>64899984>nimbly dodge defensive lasersI can accept every stupid thing in Star Wars except for calling projectile weapons lasers.
>>64899906I've thought of a refit for the Venator that almost entirely eliminates its hangar capacity in exchange for a fuckload of VLS modules lined up down the central line. That's nearly a kilometre of missiles, all stacked up neatly in a 'Fuck Your Shit' configuration.Of course it would have its limits, like having far less sustainability in the field without resupply, but if it is properly fitted with different classes of missiles it could counter both fighters and warships with sheer weight of fire. Plus, all that additional firepower would not require significantly more reactor power like a brace of additional turbolasers would. It could even be outright Plug-and-Play, dragging out and dropping in missile pods on the fly depending on resupply necessities and mission parameters. Basically, an Arsenal Ship to back up the standard carrier-cruisers.
>>64899984The victory class looks too much like a star destroyer, and those are for the bad guys. Just be glad you got the Acclamators (a personal favourite).
>>64900258I now want to here a Jabiimi version of Panteri
Nebula/Endurance are peak Star Destroyer. Perfection of the Venator/Victory combo.
>>64900258kek
>>64899639I think the real meat of the republic clone era army were the ground vehicleshover tank that can run laps around other vehicles with enough firepower to be useful "turbo" tank 10 wheels, 160Km / hour top speed, all terrain, can can carry 300 clone troopers, works as a mobile base, comes with anti personnel lasers on each side
Rebel Alliance ships are the coolest
>>64902993Almost anything like this...
>>64905391
>>64899639>>64899643The venator is a far better multipurpose ship, the providence is a far better dedicated battle ship
The abject insanity of holding on to this weak idea that some superfusion gravlift megadrive ultra laser force fields with space wizards technology level would mean spaceships need to look like fucking airplanes.You know what the end state of space faring is?A god damn box. A big ol fuckin box or 20 sided die thing or sphere.Fucking weapons only point in one direction gimmie a break.
>>64905592Seems the opposite from what we see on screen. The Providence gets absolutely wrecked trading broadsides with a Venator.
>>64905651Yeah but they look rad so nobody gives a fuck.
>>64905709rule of cool usually takes hold over logical assumptions in movies, but I would chalk it up to the fact that the venator still has decent enough cannons to do damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01D2c9B9bc
>>64899906>>64899984>>64900437A more modular approach would have been cool to see. You’d have your carrier variants of Venators, but also Venators that have installed fuck-huge gun batteries and missile tubes where the hangar would be.It all comes down to doctrine, really. The Venators were useful because the carried a shit-ton of FTL-capable starfighters that gave them the edge in recon and long-range power-projection to offset the initial numerical advantage the CIS had in ship production. As close-in warships, they were pretty okay, but their fighters gave them a big advantage both in screening enemy attacks and in long-range engagements.
>>64900437Sounds like the Victory I. In the back there.
>>64907539>The Venators were useful because the carried a shit-ton of FTL-capable starfighters that gave them the edge in recon and long-range power-projection to offset the initial numerical advantage the CIS had in ship productionThis is basically the biggest thing they wrote in that the empire fucked up on with it's navy doctrinally. They had these impressive, well made warships that could easily go toe-to-toe with anything the rebel alliance or CIS could bring to arms, but the insane dependence on fleets of primarily massive, single unit warships made it near impossible to properly police over a wider area. If you need ground troops on one planet, and ships in another, you can only be in one of those places at a time, or need to call in extra forces from elsewhere. Having fighters that could FTL and a fucking lot of them on a decent enough warship that could lug troops around gives you best of the entire world. You send the starfighters to recon, or if they're enough, fully deal with issues elsewhere while the main body of the ship is where it's most needed at that time.
Ever since I was a kid I was always fascinated with the Executor class super star destroyer.
>>64908855Making a ship that big is fucking stupid
>>64908877There was a dude in another star wars thread who made a valid point in the SSD being less of a warship and more of a mobile base/fleet capable tender. Make it so it's a resup and repair point for entire star destroyers while also lugging around entire armies of people. Could do wonders in systems and areas where the empire had less of a firm grip
>>64908855I love it too. Imagine an entire secret mobile city used for training and fostering the culture of your entire Navy. A sacred temple of sober discipline that radiates through the universe.
>>64908885I mean, at 19km, it should comfortably be 100000 times more volumous than a Gerald R Ford supercarrier. You could easily fit 100 million people on that ship, which I suppose is how many troops you'd actually need to take a planet with conventional warfare.
>>64908895That's pretty much exactly what the Supremacy was. The mobile capital of the First Order, plus Homeworld-style fleet construction capability.
>>64909010KINOA shame the designers were reduced by the writers and director.
>>64909010>>64909015That and the need of the archaic but never used in film RKKV.
>>64908877Yes, but sci fi is a vessel of scale.
>>64899647sovl...
>>64909187Except it’s retarded to think that no-one ever tried that before. We don’t even have that tech and we thought of it 50+ years ago.The rational assumption was that hyperdrive didn’t work that way. Because if it did, why even bother with literally anything else?
>>64909273George wanted to do it in the original trilogy and prequel but the tech was not good enough. That or it’s ILMs way of showing off. Fuck, they got the science wrong for it anyhow.
>>64909273There's a reason why nobody does it. A couple hundred years ago, there was an incident where a large freighter broke up in hyperspace. The result: fragmented debris popping back into realspace at complete random along the ship's trajectory, across multiple star systems. They dropped out of hyperspace at relativistic speeds and fucked up absolutely anything they hit, from space stations to moons to planets. The first event even had a massive tank of Tibanna gas nearly hit a star, which would have triggered a nova without the Jedi's timely intervention. To this day, there are still craters, debris fields, and a few shattered moons across a swathe of space. All that from one ship coming apart during a jump.So, imagine what would happen if some idiot rammed a ship on the way into hyperspace, they'd shotgun absolutely everything along that path. It's a total crapshoot.Anyway my headcanon as to why it happened with the Supremacy is because its hyperspace tracking system was acting as a sort of 'tether', which allowed the Raddus to 'snap back' into it rather than simply not jumping or missing entirely.
>>64909426>There's a reason why nobody does it. A couple hundred years ago, there was an incident where a large freighter broke up in hyperspace. The result: fragmented debris popping back into realspace at complete random along the ship's trajectory, across multiple star systems. They dropped out of hyperspace at relativistic speeds and fucked up absolutely anything they hit, from space stations to moons to planets.The idea that every hyperdrive capable ship is a space nuke so everyone is scared to do it kinda falls apart as an excuse because small hyperdrive capable ships are pretty affordable / hijackable and there is multiple trillions of people in the Galaxy. You are going to have unhinged fucks hyper-ramming starships, space stations and planets the same way psychos grabs a gun and go to school. It's like if someone found an easy way to turn every car, truck or bus on Earth into a nuke tomorrow, do you really think things would just go on as normal? That no one would set theirs off? This is the opposite of a reasonable explanation for the lack of hyper-ramming, it implies a level of total mental stability to the citizens of the Galaxy Far Far Away that quite frankly does not exist.The best explanation for the hyper-ram that Disney could provide would be, we are sorry for being retarded, please pretend it never happened and while you're at it, try and forget about those SD's that can blow up planets from the next movie.
>>64909474I can only assume that A) there are safety measures to prevent jumping into obstructions, hard-wired stuff that can't be turned off (see the above theory on the 'hyperspace tether' as to why it worked with the Supremacy)B) Once in hyperspace, a ship no longer has actual influence on realspace. It can run into mass shadows, but that is merely a shadow, and the gravity well effect will instantly decelerate anything that drops out of hyperspace essentially to a complete stop (See: Interdictors)
>>64909192I think the HALO ring is waaay out of scale.
>>64909500They're 10,000km in diameter, so basically the same size as earth
>>64909426>everyone doesn't do it because it creates hyperspace Kessler effect so they just don't do it MMKAYwhich anyway still makes Pinkhair an intergalactic-scale warcrimer>but when ((she)) does it she's powerful and girlbossing!!typical women thinking>>64909474>if someone found an easy way to turn every car, truck or bus on Earth into a nuke tomorrow, do you really think things would just go on as normal? That no one would set theirs off? This is the opposite of a reasonable explanation for the lack of hyper-ramming, it implies a level of total mental stability to the citizens of the Galaxy Far Far Away that quite frankly does not existcouldn't have said it better myself
>>64899684ARC-170, my beloved
>>64909615>P-61 Zerstorer BTFOd by trifighters until they get Vulturedroidkrankheitget roger-rogered, wet droid
>>64908877If anything it was too small, with its shields failing just because an entire fleet concentrated its firepower on it. Just remove plot-convenient weak points and the sci-fi design logic of bigger ship = stronger shields dictates you should make ships as big as possible. Of course there's also logistical and strategic logic (too excessive and it's a waste of resources).
>>64909494So the solution is going back to how it worked in Legends in Option B?
>>64908896You ain't seen nothing yet.
>>64899984Which is retarded. A human cannot outpilot a computer. Only plot armor saying that the CIS somehow decided to cheap out on trying to overthrow the galactic government allows the Republic to not be immediately curbstomped.
>>64909273Because Kathleen Kennedy is a fucking hack.
>>64909494>Once in hyperspace, a ship no longer has actual influence on realspace.Then why do they need to plot a course of avoidance?
>>64911111I assume because gravity from massive objects affects hyperspace. Also checked.
>>64911111yeah, he's an idiot; in the words of Han Solo from the very first fucking movie,>Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova.waste of quints on a non-/k topic though
>>64899639Improve the gun layout and make the bridges less exposed and it would be perfect for it's role.
>>64909615What is this from? Bongo Fett and Sharto?
>>64899639Luv me Vennie, simple as
>>64899906There you go. The Victory is a better gunboat, but this would work as a stop-gap. It's also more aesthetically-pleasing than the Victory, desu.
>>64908831Based Tyrant poster. I would love for this thing to get made canon, and not immediately job in its first appearance.
>>64899684>>64909615I’ve never wanted anything more in my life.
>>64899639Personally it's the acclamator for me. But that's more to do with my love affair with hilariously large transports in sci-fi. In this case deploying 15000 troops plus air and ground assets. Same reason I love the UCM's tiny escort carrier the New Orleans. Absolutely trash in a fight, actually carries no strike craft for void combat but she can deploy an entire regiment of ground forces including armor via dropships in under a minute.Modern LHD/As are cool too
>>64909426>>64909474>>64909494Funny how a classic sci fi trope from the 30’s brain melts the fandom of one of the two biggest franchises in sci fi/fantasy history.
>>64909505And then there’s the Ark
>>64913876the craziest thing is this and the 10k km halo rings are the LESSER rings and LESSER ark. The og halo rings were like, 30,000km in diameter. That would make the greater OG ARK like, 400,000km in diameter
>>64913934Pics?
>>64913854And let’s not even fucking begin on this atrocity.
>>64914016The greater ark was only ever a lore thing, no pics for it, I'm just assuming that if the ark that makes the lesser halos is 127k km diam for 10k km rings, 30k km rings would just make the ark for them 3x the size, so about 400k km, or 381k to be precise
>>64913328K-K-K-KINO
>>64911111Because the big fuckoff mass shadow will drag you right out of hyperspace and probably straight into a pancake crash. If the object doesn't have the mass to do this, then it might as well not exist to the ship and it'll keep going its merry way. Imagine if ships just kept blowing up in hyperspace because they ran into the shadows of random pebbles.
>prequelshit
>>64899684>>64909615>>64913328ARC-170 is such a cool fucking ship. Literally the F15E of star wars.>inb4 its based off the P61Its design was based off the P61, but its role is essentially that of an F15. Removing the copilot, astromech Droid and rear gunner seat to make a small living quarters is so insanely cool. It's criminal it didn't get more screentime considering it when predecessor to the xwing
>>64914939>ARC-170>strike bomberidiot
>>64899643looks like a turd
>>64902394Feel free to sing it yourself anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN8rZN2ms_s
>>64899643>Providence and Venator go ship to ship in Revenge of the Sith>The Venator wins Lucky shot or normal result?
>>64909273>>64909187With how fucking huge it is, couldn't you in theory repair it even with a wing blown off?
>>64915345Could have gone either way at that range. The Providence has superior firepower to the Venator, but most of its heavy turbolasers face directly forwards. At knife-fight range, its ability to project power is limited to the flank guns, while the Venator can still bring to bear four of its primary turrets, plus its own flank guns.
>>64915353It's probably got catastrophic amounts of hull cracking and fucked internal systems all throughout the ship. To its credit, it held together long enough that it was able to pull together some of its embarked forces for an organised ground assault, though I imagine the reason why they didn't completely swarm the Resistance on Crait is because most of the army was busy elsewhere taking bites out of the floundering Republic.
>>64915353It went through one of the four reactors that powered it. Surprisingly, didn’t cause it to completely blow. In the novelization, the scuttle it.
>>64899639For me, it's the Lucrehulk.
>>64916634>be prop designer>hungry after a long day doing up concept props for ol Georgie to bitch and moan about>grab a donut>take a bite>put it down>hang on
>>64902993If they were so good, how come the Empire switched to AT-ATs and AT-STs?
>>64913328>ywn travel the galaxy in a heavily armed, shielded FTL starfighter converted into a sleeper vanHow can I feel loss for a life that never existed?
>>64915103What the fuck have you been eating for your shits to look like that?
>>64916699Muh shock and awe. A practically-sized hovertank won't scare anybody. A walker taller than much of what your foes have even seen will send them scattering before you even fire a shot.
>>64916634We can do better than a standard Lucrehulk.
>>64916634>Huge>Heavily shielded>automated to the point where it can be run by a handful of people but can sustain hundreds without them having to directly interact too often>Also has huge fuck-off cannons for the Tax-ManBehold, the Lu/k/rehulk.
>>64915044>ARC-170: Long-range patrol, bomber escort, heavy strike.>F-15E: Deep strike, interdiction, air superiority backup.Yes, it's role and doctrine is closest to the F-15E Strike Eagle
>>64917575I've played battlefront and the AT-ST is an absolute menace, just popping over cover to lob grenades/missiles from an elevated position.
>>64899639Gentlemen, I give you /k/: Star Destroyer Edition. Still feels a little under-gunned to me though. Maybe we can add a spinal turbo-nugget for added flair.>>64909187https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1TFYzYectsVisually stunning scene with solid sound design but lorewise absolute dogshit that ruins conventional space combat entirely. Before Disney there was a case of an Executor having this accidentally done to it by a small fleet of ISDs in the comics. It was undamaged, the unfortunate ISDs were not. Strong enough shields defeat hyperspace ramming. The Supremacy would've had the shields to handle it. They had to retcon the "Holdo my boxed wine maneuver" having someone outright say it's a lucky move and extremely hard to pull off in the third sequel to not make conventional naval combat pointless through the whole franchise.>>64911012I hate this image's text blurb so much. The ship is fine, the text is from someone who thought they were significantly smarter than they actually were. If you can build death stars and not have any of the mentioned issues that super duper star destroyer is nothing. If anything it's a better option than the actual death stars assuming the superlaser is at least as capable. Probably less material than DS2, certainly more functional and useful than garbage like "Starkiller" too. Imagine needing to eat a whole ass fucking star to fire your fucking weapon.
>>64918140To add to the hyperspace ramming critique, you're actually better off going slow. Shields tend to stop fast and hot. The ramming in Rogue One and one of the cartoons was how it's done. Slow enough that the shields treat you like a fighter coming back in to land. This is also why missiles still serve a purpose in a franchise with powerful plasma based weapons. You either have to hammer shields down with ion cannons and turbolaser fire or slip through like Dune shields while being fired upon the whole time. There's also multiple types with some like ray shields stopping pretty much everything until they drop.
>>64917085You were born 475280 years too late anon. But give it time, its circular
>>64918182It also doesn’t help that Rian stole this from Farscape
>>64917966>ARC-170>heavy strikeexamples?
>>64918182nice fanfiction, but no>The ramming in Rogue One and one of the cartoons wasdone only AFTER disabling the enemy with proton torpedo strikes
>>64918865Ion torps. They did something VERY important.>being fired upon the whole timeThey shut down the guns. Protons blow up and are for all intents and purposes extra explodey missiles. Ions fuck with ship systems. You'll also notice that those torpedoes were NOT blocked by the shields. Again, slow goes through. In the cartoon a providence dropped out of hyperspace, slowed down, then slammed into a Venator. If you want another example the ISDs had a bad time in the asteroid field because of this. Big slow cold rocks don't trigger the shields any more than the TIEs they launched did.The shields have to be navigable on large vessels like ISDs because it'd be a HUGE weakness to have to drop your shields even partially to launch or recover fighters. Shield function is also gone over in the CG Clone Wars series describing how to defeat a droideka's shields. Again, slow goes through. Fast and hot get blocked.Ray shields would have pulled a no sell on those torps but that's because again, they stop pretty much everything until they drop, hence their use in prisons and security systems. They're powerful but not suitable for a ship that needs to ever let something out or in while shields are up.
>>64916634I think it's based on the harbour of Carthage.
>>64911065Droids dont work like robots
>>64905651Many frequently enter atmospheres though
>>64899689Lol
>Pulls your ass out of hyper space and instantly captures you in a tractor beamHeh… nothing personal rebel scum.
>>64920359Interdictors are gayit would have been a better mechanic to have hyperdrives eat up so much power that it's suicidal to use them in the middle of a fleet battlethis better approximates IRL combat where heavy casualties are often inflicted during the retreat
>>64913328GIWTWM
>>64905651The end state is doing both so that you can outmanoeuvre the technologically superior flying brick if you catch it inside your atmosphere.
>>64914016there are a couple on halopedia, this one shows one of the original 30k km rings, you can get a sense of scale
>>64920466Damn fine real estate
Prequels aren't canon.
Whats the point of the giant flaps on the sides? I'm assuming those are missile pods underneath? Why don't they use more missiles in Star Wars? Its all just cannons.
>>64922373Very limited ammo, tracking is subpar with ECM, stable explosives aren't really a thing so it's also a critical weak point hence the massive armored flaps. Also more dakka is best dakka.
>>64913368Mass transports are pretty cool, but there is no way you're shoving 15k men plus armor and air in that thing.
>>64922389>Mass transports are pretty cool, but there is no way you're shoving 15k men plus armor and air in that thing.Here is a size comparison between a 752m long Acclamator-class Assault Ship and a 332m long Nimitz-class Supercarrier. The Nimitz-class carriers a crew compliment of 5000 people and 90 aircraft, most are Super Hornets which are 18m long each. Even forgetting about the giant tailfin, in terms of volume, I'd say the Acclamator's wedge alone is at least 6+ times the size of the Supercarrier. 700 Crew16,000 clone troopers 320 speeder bikes80 Low Altitude Assault Transport48 All Terrain Tactical Enforcer36 Self-Propelled Heavy ArtilleryI don't think this is an entirely unreasonable loadout. Okay, maybe 36 SPHA's might be a little much given that they are 40m long each, you also don't see them much after Geonosis so I imagine they found a better use for the space.Also given that the Nimitz is supposed to spend months at sea and the Acclamator's hyperdrive can cross the entire galaxy in a few days, I'd imagine that this is a short haul transport with very minimal living quarters. The Acclamator seems like a "load it up, send it over, drop off cargo, head back home" kind of ship which is why they only show up in fleets when a planet is being invaded.
>>64922389Should be plenty of space for that. Those things have obscene amounts of space onboard. A Ford class carrier carries ~5,000 people, some vehicles, and a bunch of aircraft. An Acclamator is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than a Ford class.Length: 752m vs 333mWidth: 460m vs 78mHeight: 183m vs 76mThe Acclamator's biggest problem isn't carrying capacity. It's that they were used as front line warships in the early days of the war. The problem could've been solved by making another variant that is purely combat and fire support focused with fighters and bombers instead of LAATs and AT-TEs as well as far more guns. Would've basically been Republic equivalents of the Munificent class if not better.
>>64922774>>64922776>replying to a 2 hour old post>comparing Assault Ship dimensions / carrying capacity to US supercarriers>less than a minute apartI think we were sharing the same brain on quantum level...
>>64899680esl
>>64922774Whoops, made a slight mistake on the dimensions. Nimitz should be 21 grid spaces long, not 19.
>>64922373So, back when the Victory-class was introduced in the old EU, it was the only Star Destroyer capable of operating in planetary atmospheres. The giant flaps were exactly that; large maneuvering surfaces for use when flying in atmosphere.
>>64921485Shut up Disney freak.
>>64920371
>>64920411Fuck yeah, space fighter Phantoms.
>>64917581Accidentally summoned the Chaos Gods with that design.
>>64920371Do not speak against the gravity boobas ever again
>>64923404
>>64899639for me it's the corpseship.
This might be controversial but I do not care for space triangles. Seppies have the best looking capital ships.
Fuck aerodynamics.
>>64924808real talk; is this the optimum space travel configuration?
>>64924473Recusant and Venator are the best things to come out of that movie, besides clone trooper armor and soundtrack and the killer space battle at the start.
>>64924954>he actually likes Phase II armourewit was a necessary bridge to stormtrooper armour but Phase I is where it's at>soundtrackagreed
>>64925059The Phase 1 armour has its perks but it's just too stiff, with even more severe ergonomics issues than your typical buckethead kit. The original AOTC render's helmets had necks so narrow that you couldn't even fit a man's head though it.
>>64924855That or a sphere, which the Borg also have.
>>64924130the what
>>64925059Not saying this pic is good, but how would you redesign the phase 1 to be better without going into phase 2 territory?
My cousin has a micro machine of the Tantive IV and upon never seeing one before, my first impression of it were that it's engines were it's guns/ cannons
>>64927724only thing I'd do is get rid of the helmet fin>picreluncovering the rear is stupidI really loved the Phase 1 armour and I was actually disappointed when Phase 2 appeared, even though I knew the reason for it (to shift closer to stormtrooper design)
>>64925059>>64928208>Phase 1I'll always be pissed how this gigachad wasn't made canon. These phase 1 Arc troopers with their space Car-15's were so cool and peak design
>>64928439Wasn't one of the first things he did after waking up was to bitch talk the jedi for being pussies
>>64928439>wasn't made canon
>>64928491I like plo koon, he seems cool
>>64928439Alpha was THE man!>>64928451He was doing that on the regular basis, I just remember his badass entrance in the Kamino raid arc.
>>64928208>uncovering the rear is stupidDo you like being able to sit down?
>>64928843yes, and I sit down best when my ass isn't shot
>>64928439>Arc troopers with their space Car-15'sWestar M5. Another cool thing that wasn't made canon
>>64902122The original designs from the Cracken's Threat Dossier sourcebook left much to be desired.
>>64933789Top left looks kinda like it'd be in Gundam.
There's something to be said about having 500 proton torpedo launchers available for a rainy day.
>>64935056>Brute force death star
>>64935056There's a mod for empire at war that inna fit of rage one of the moff's scraps every ship that isn't a torpedo sphere and makes you take on the entire galaxy with them.It is a very hard run
>>64909474Furry Kzinti paws typed this post.
>>64913328Mando should have gotten a ship like this instead of that monkey-model Naboo fighter.
For me? The World Devastator is by far the most kino ship.
>>64899984>expensive clones who are highly skilled yet limited in numbersItd make a lot more sense if the clones were supplemental and situational, and most battles were with planetary militia.
>>64936325Itd make more sense if clones were the bad guys and the only "army" that the Republic had were droids that were meant to be a police force and were useless fighting a war which forced the Republicans to raise an actual army of people to fight which eventually led to the Empire
>>64936660Yeah, well, unfortunately Jar jar is the key to all of this, so we got what we got.
>>64936325that was supposed to be the idea>>64936660making the clones the "good guys" and then making them the bad guys was the smartest thing Lucas did and the only interesting plot twist of the whole Prequel Trilogyfor decades before Phantom Menace everyone assumed that "Clone Wars" meant the Jedi Order was stamped out while fighting off an army of clones. nobody ever thought that the clones would be good guys. and then came the double plot twist. fucking awesome.
>>64933789The old Nebula actually looks pretty good, desu. The Endurance is fuck-ugly though, the lower version is a definite improvement.
>>64905391Nekomata my beloved...
>>64936325It was pretty well assumed in legends/EU that the clone army was basically just a shock troop and expeditionary army type force while a vast majority of garrison, crewmen and nearly any and all rear line duties were done by member planet forces and volunteers/conscripts. It's also well assumed that planets and systems close to a battle would also leverage their forces to assist in fights.
>>64899639GREENSHIP
>>64913328Gonna need a source for this anon, it's fucking Kino.
>>64937611wrong. that's clone wars media project and TPM + 'eu' materiel.in the ACTUAL EU, the clone wars were a series of lengthy, devestating conflicts that ravaged the old Republic, as it turned out that clone beings in a universe where the Force exists slowly drives them crazy, let alone the actually force sensitive ones like the jedi that got cloned (thanks to sith manipulations) who all went super duper extra mega fucking crazy. the old CLONE WARS, wars PLURAL, was a series of balkanisations of the old republic as factions fractured the republic into nothing, which is how the EMPIRE managed to RISE, by coming along as the heavy handed saviours that rescued everyone from the jedi menace. it's how the sith were able to brand the jedi as the bad guys and give them all the blame for them, its why belief in the force, and so on went away. why luke is seen by han as such a dumbass naive farmtard.ALSO the whole thing of vader being luke's dad 'nooooo that's unpossible' in the movies, was explained in the EU as being even worse, since the old republic was supposed to have been gone for fucking EVER, hence the OLD republic, like we would say 'ancient greece' with big E and vader having ruled for an ungodly amount of time. so vader having fathered a kid, kenobi even being alive, yoda too etc, is this fantastical thing because that would make them a gorillion years old.
remember>that wizard's just a crazy old manso luke's uncle didn't even know if ben kenobi WAS ben kenobi, or a possibly insane clone.
>>64911188Han Solo in the first movie also says his ship can "do the Kessel run in twelve parsecs". He's obviously full of shit.
>>64938690I chalk that up to him trying to scam the two sand hobos who probably don't know shit about spaceflight
>>64938690>>64939341The Kessel run goes through the Maw. The Maw is a cluster of black holes that may or may not have been put there by a very ancient and powerful civilization. Cut it too short and it eats you. The difficulty of reaching it is part of why Kessel (in the Maw) is a great prison. The reason a smuggler would go to Kessel (a prison) is "glitterstim" spice which is mined by prisoners in complete darkness and tightly controlled commanding a high price on the black market. The difficulty of the trip is also why the Maw was where the Empire did a lot of secret stuff, including building the first Death Star. Basically Han is saying he's got the biggest swinging pair you could find and is a damn good pilot. The Basedlo movie did it wrong and made it some cloud corridor with monsters. I think invisible inescapable death with a side of pissed off Imperials is scarier.
>>64939651I think Han Solo being full of shit is both a more likely explanation, and more interesting from a narrative perspective. There is no Kessel run, he's just stringing together technobabble words, to appear like he knows what he's doing.It's not "canon", whatever that amounts to these days, but it's completely congruent with his character. He's a criminal lowlife. A smuggler hanging out in Mos Eisley of all places. Not even a particularly good smuggler, he's indebted to Jabba because he lost a cargo. His hidden virtue is not that he's secretly a legendary navigator, or an ace pilot, but that despite all his blatant lying he has a sense of duty. Once he's agreed to transport fugitives, he's not gonna turn around and sell them back to the Empire.It also creates an amusing metatextual synchronism, since Harrison Ford is likewise stringing together technobabble words, to appear like he knows what he's doing.
>>64940077Also you had Obi-Wan visibly scoffing at Han's claims.
>>64917581I love how the venators only add like 4 turrets to forward firepower
>>64899639More of a corvette man myself
>>64899680Mods all should have been hunted down and murdered after the hack, but discussing sci-fi weapons is board culture and you need to shut your newfag ass the fuck up.
>>64899683Rapechink is funny though. Does suck that he always closes out /gwg/ threads. Same with Aztec autist.
>>64939651I always liked the theory that if you can collapse a star into a black hole, you create a new dimension.
>>64899684>>64913328>/k/ suddenly loves the ARC-170I thought you faggots said it was a shit starfighter?
>>64938690I presume Han is not talking about the ships pgysical speed, since in hyperspace all ships are moving at the same relative rate. He means he has modded the navigation systems to find loopholes in hyperspace and be able to compute a route that Imperial tech cannot follow.
>>64940604ThisCorvettes are way better than fighters in EAW
>>64900258Forty Thousand keks
>>64940629I wouldn't compare rapechink with Aztec autistAztec autist love the Aztecs, posts genuinely informative stuff even if it's a bit repetitive and will engage in healthy debate rapechink got mindraped so all he does is spam rape postswe could honestly use some more Aztec autists but with other fixations
>>64940663Fair. I wish we had an equestrian/penthalon autist. And I miss Oppenheimer.Whichever of you faggots threatened to dox him deserves the boats.
>>64940684I'm no autist, but I remember an anon crunching the numbers and that over the lifetime of a destrier, buying, feeding, keeping and caring for it would be more expensive for a knight than decent suit of unadorned full pl8 and weapons.
>>64940701Buying, fueling and maintaining a Corvette or SUV over 20 years will cost you more than full kit, rifle, shotgun, pistol, optics and ammo, unless you buy ubergucci and shoot every weekend. Even then I bet the auto is more, even without insurance.
>>64940604The Raider is ugly, though.
>>64940604Fag
>>64916699The Empire did use a similar repulsor tank, the 2‐M. The AT-AT and ST just have different roles. The AT-AT is a combination assault gun & troop transport, while the AT-ST is more broadly deployed in a role similar to a light tank.
>>64940684He posts still, just not under his name. I fear when he fears about the nukes we will be within less than ONE week of the end
>>64920359>Gravity well pulls in a Mon Cal
>>64899639venator is pretty cool but for me its anything naboo
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>>64941457Good thing astromechs have extendable Inspector Gadget domes otherwise they wouldn't be able to fit in half the ships they were depicted on screen.
>>64936935Most of the original designs for the New Class ships hold up pretty well but a few don't work quite as well either for their supposed scale or for being a shared hull.The pairs that are supposed to be sharing hulls with each other as denoted by their matching sizes are the Nebula/Endurance, Defender/Majectic, Hajen/Sacheen and Agave/Warrior. But only the Nebula and Endurance are clearly based on a shared design. The Agave and Warrior might work to an extent and seem to be good for their scale, but the Hajen and Sacheen are clearly different hulls and probably more appropriate for a smaller size. And the Defender not only doesn't match the Majestic hull at all but with that big viewport should be smaller in scale.The Ferret and Prowler also are good designs as recon ships and also happen to have a clear design resemblance despite the different sizes and the Ferret being unmanned.As far as other other ships go the Corona and Belarus are decent and the MC90 clearly works as a Mon Cal warship, but the Republic-class drifts too much into Mon Cal territory being overly bulbous even though that is ostensibly intentional to steer it away from the usual wedge shaped Star Destroyer design.
>>64940644Don't look at me, I've always thought it was a poorly designed mess.>>64940708Needs more guns.
>>64899683you mean there are too many mods.
>>64940701yeah we have records showing that keeping a destrier for 2-3 years cost the same as a set of full harness
>>64936224>Monkey model NabooThey're called Gungans, chud>>64936080
>>64942960How wude.
>>64942998
>>64940396I wouldnt say scoffing more giving a "..this motherfucker right here.." facial expression, like he knew what Han was saying was gobbeldygook but wasnt about to call him out for it if it meant a ride off Tatooine
>>64937617I suddenly have a yen for lobster
>>64940396I think Obi Wan scoffs at it because no one would be crazy enough to fly through a cluster of black holes.
>>64940396>>64944316Obi-Wan probably scoffed because he felt that Han was a braggart talking out of his ass and he did it visibly in order to bring the price downcontextually it's like going into a random pub in Arkansas to find somebody to smuggle you to Iran, and meeting a smuggler who claims he's faster than Niki Lauda
>>64941945The Thrawn's Revenge mod for Empire at War has a better interpretation of those vehicles IMHO.https://thrawnsrevenge.fandom.com/wiki/New_Republic#Buildable_Space_Roster
>>64899639for me it's eclipse
>>64899639I used to love star wars so much but every year since disney bought it i've grown to hate it more and more to the point where it just makes me sick. And quite frankly this actually began when 2008 clone wars started, because despite liking the show to an extent it brought in a normiefag fanbase and put the series on the baby pozzed tone that disney would use for their template.
>>64945414or in short: everything Filoni touches is cancer
>>64909192Eldar craftworld my beloved.
For me, it's the Imperial Freighter
>>64945414Head canon is true canon anon.
>>64945355>empire at war spiritual successor/direct successor/professional remake never ever EVER
>>64945526The Gozanti had already been in civilian service for decades by the time the Empire rolled around. The thing's like strapping a couple of Harriers to the deck of a mid-size freighter.
>>64945414>put the series on the baby pozzed tone that disney would use for their template.
>>64939651>why the Maw was where the Empire did a lot of secret stuff, including building the first Death Star. Oh god not the Sun Crusher shit.
>>64917089>What the fuck have you been eating for your shits to look like that?The Providence.
>>64915345>>64915440They're both functionally heavy cruisers in Star Wars naval doctrine, kind of like a Prinz Eugen or something. In this specific case, the bigger issue was that the Invisible Hand (Grievous' providence-class flagship) had already been in constant naval engagement for 36+ hours over Coruscant and was getting beaten to hell. iirc in the RotS novelization the Neimodian gunnery officer warns Grievous that the turbolasers are on the verge of having their barrels melt if any more bombardment is conducted. Grievous tells him "then burn them out."TLDR would normally be a 50/50 fight. But Invisible Hand was already fucked from battle damage and weapon wear
>>64945901Not that anyone's ever done that before, or anything.
>>64945529This is what i said for the first few years of disney but there really is a pavlovs dog effect. When every time I hear "star wars" or "luke" or "clones" it's always attached to some cringe obnoxious shit or some faggy headline i just start to associate it with a shock collar.
>>64945414>>64947133
>>64945409More partial to the Eclipse II between the two designs, but also still waiting to see if the Sovereign ever gets any official depiction besides the original silhouette.
>>64938082This post reminds me that I like the Clone Wars we got, despite everything. All these EU ideas sound great, but I have a feeling that they would start to break apart when adapted for the silver screen. Too big of a scale, with a lot of moving parts. The movies we got already had issues with lore-dumping, imagine little Anakin asking Qui-Gon questions about galactic politics.>"Master Qui-Gon, I was wondering... what is the main socio-economic factor that is driving the Galactic Republic apart, causing more and more systems and governments to leave while expecting tho find their affairs in a better place?"
>>64947328purely economic reasons, Anakin
>>64945409If we're getting into super-capital ships, I'd take the Bellator.
>>64948803>By the way Anakin, have you heard about the new starship manufacturer Sienar Fleet Systems? The force has been telling me to invest it in. I think it's going to do very well. You would be wise to put some credits into it.
>>64948854Master Qui-Gon, more to invest have you?
>>64949029>Of course not Master Yoda. Had I more to invest, I would not be asking the younglings for money. I still haven't paid off my tab from the last time we went out. Force damned bothans always cheat at sabacc.
>>64908855The ship that has changed size three times after its original scale depicted from the movies going from 17,600 to 8,000 to 12,800 to 19,000 meters. Overcompensating is almost as bad as shortchanging it rather than just acknowledging the original scale.
>>64899639Acclamator has me by the balls. Something about it is just hitting all the boxes.
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>>64948837love the bellator, absolute beauty of a star destroyer.>enough armor, shields and firepower to overpower and gun down any rebel ship it can catch>enough speed to run away from fights it can't winmight not be the strongest SSD, but she'll still put an MC80 out of its misery.
>>64945706I know, it hurts anon.But, the mod scene is pretty fucking good.Also, Petroglyph released updates as recently as a couple of years ago to make the game easier to mod and more capable of handling stuff.Shoot, they even made the game 64 bit.
>>64951493Based on the original Jedi Knight game files where it first appeared it's only around 10 km in length. Any random Wookieepedia article that says it's bigger and lumps it in with other Super Star Destroyers is just Rebel propaganda.
>>64952348The only game I have any real hope for to at least have a feeling of EaW is falling frontier ever since mazer fucked up Nebulous, and that's still in development (at least active development)
>>64952667Ten kilometres is still pretty solidly in SSD territory if you ask me.
>>64952667>only 10kmif it had the proportions of the original Star Destroyer, 10km length would mean it is 4.6km wide and 1.5km tall not counting the tower, 2.6km counting the towerthat would cover lower Manhattan from about all of Central Park down to Ground Zeroat its "thinnest" it would be the Empire State Building at the prow, and twice the Burj Khalifa at the engine section, three times the Burj counting the towerit would have a volume of at least 69 cubic km (nice), which is like over three thousand seven hundred (3,700) Empire State Buildings
>>64953364As a general size it would be in that category, but there have been lazy attempts to correlate it to just being an Executor derivative of the same length rather than its own unique design.
>>64953364I think it's technically a Star Dreadnought
>>64952348The 64 bit update was badly needed. I rarely get a low framerate anymore.
>>64936314As someone who only knows them from Rogue Squadron, I'm not sure how those were all that threatening.
>>64959319They were nigh indestructible super factories capable of stripping planets bare. One just causally munched a star destroyer.
>>64958793I do, but I'm not exactly running new hardware.
>>64945706This and the fact that there will never be another MMO like SWG pre-CU hurts the soul. Disney absolutely fucked Star Wars gaming by shuttering LucasArts and giving EA that long exclusivity period they did fuck all with. Personally I consider that an even worse decision than letting Rian Johnson have a sequel trilogy film. Star Wars gaming was one of the reasons the franchise survived so long so successfully. Wonder how many more games we'd have if that had never happened.>>64952298I like the Bellator, but MOAR DAKKA!!!! One of my biggest gripes about Star Destroyers of pretty much every class is wasted real estate. Yeah you probably can't just totally cover them in guns and call it good but there should still be more guns.
We need more 'tactical' superweapons. Less planetbusters, more battle winners.
>>64960803That's ships like the Bellator, Executor, and Assertor. Heavy hitters that can come in and finish a fight when needed. Superlasers aren't by default planet destroyers btw. Still wouldn't want to get hit with one.
>>64960803audiences are unable to comprehend>warship that can wipe out entire Rebel fleetbut they can comprehend>warship that can wipe out entire planeteven though they both represent the same existential crisis to the Rebellion
Thoughts mechanized armor? I love the T4-B even though it's stupidly large and looks a bit silly.
>>64960799I particularly enjoyed how the Mandator IV Dreadnought only had 26 turbolasers on the dorsal surface of the ship with no other defensive firepower at all in any other location. A normal ISD 1/5th its length has at least five time the firepower or more. It was treated like a giant flat land target for a two dimensional WW2 space bombing scene where Poe clears out the limited number of AA guns to allow the space B-17s to slowly fly in a straight line tight formation to drop space bombs on it.
>>64961526The doom dorito is one of the worst designed ships in the franchise.
>>64961759Rian personally told the artists to make it as flat as possible for his big brained idea to be realized.
>>64962291
>>64961759Could have just had some Y-wings or B-wings do some torpedo passes from below or behind and it wouldn't have been able to return fire.
>>64962319that's what you'd expect from a STAR WARS movie, right?HAH!but you're gonna get a shitty space B-17 and a handful of fighters!I SUBVERTED your expectations because I am very smort!and that's just the appetiser!just you wait, you'll never guess all the plot twists I've stuffed into this!it'll be like no Star Wars movie you've EVER seen!and you'll love it!because if you don't, we'll call you a fat incel misogynist!
>>64962420Pls understand, he read that the trench run was based on Dambusters and thought that meant every WW2 air raid was usable.
What would you do if you are a gunnery officer/crewman and the Base Delta Zero order comes down?
>>64962420Don't forget ballistic trajectories in space on weapons that don't even behave like that on a planet just because big!Probably an unpopular opinion but I don't think Solo was really all that bad (wasn't good either). What destroyed it was the fact that it had the unfortunate timing of following almost immediately after TLJ.>>64963311In for a penny, in for a pounding.
>>64963391>I don't think Solo was really all that badnever watchedthe pacing of the first half hour is so awful I just can't get past itI swear I'm not being boomer, but 90s action movies are just better pacedhell, fucking Sink The Bismarck! was more riveting, and it's in fucking black and whitemodern scriptwriters just don't know how to pace a script correctly
>>64899680Yes we need more glowie and zoggie threads
>>64963869>a day later>still so madSorry you believe in fiction
>>64963890>a day later>still so madStop talking about yourself, old sport. Besides this thread is one of the less fictional currently on the catalog.
>>64948803I did some math on venator production.We have 1 number about the number of produced venators. Namely 1k venators at the battle of Corusant. Which to be charitable I'll assume to be about 25% of active venators.These were all produced by kuat. Production that didn't start until the begging of the clone wars.That means that kuat produced 4000 venators in less than 1000 days. Or a venator every 6 hours.A venator can carry up to 96 clone starfighters. Some of whom has up to 3 clones in them. So of more than the first 2 clone batches were pilots for the strike compliment of the venators.
>>64964613We still have no idea what a clone unit actually is tho. Is it a dude, is it a division?
>>64948837>>64961526ok so every ship in star wars seems to go for the MORE GUNS! EVERYWHERE! approach when irl almost everyone went for bigger guns. Is there ever a lore reason for that trend? Do turbolasers just not work well past a certain size or did they just want more rounds for more hits or something?
>>64964627If it is a division a industrial blacksite (Rothana heavy engineering) produces up to 100k Aclamators in 10 years.Which is more ridiculous than the venators every 6 hours for 3 years. As its an aclamator per approximately 50 minutes.And remember rothana didn't exist before kuat got the contract for the heavy equipment for the clone army, so the actual rate is higher as they have to build up the industrial capacity.And there's nothing to imply that the GAR wasn't capable of mobilising its forces or had a chronic lack of transport capacity.
>>64964656Fucked up on wording, the company existed for some time, but they hadn't been producing Aclamators for a century
>>64916660Pretty much>Be George>eating burger skewered with an olive on toothpick>take bite>put it down>hang on
>>64964666Did they ever associate acclimators producrded with the clone numbers produced? Could be they just didnt have a that many acclimators yet.
>>64960799>Wonder how many more games we'd have if that had never happened.Probably most of these
>>64961759>one of the worst capital ship designs gets taken out by the worst bomber designit's like pottery
>>64964785>worst capital ship designs gets taken out by the worst bomber design
Me? It's the Tie Striker
>>64952348One thing I personally hate about the mod scene is that the nobody gives defensive structures/buildings the proper attributes. A star base should be able to resist a shit ton of assaults, turrets should be able to dish out heavy damage, and you should be able to purchase turrets during a space battle.
>>64965662The Golan space stations were about right by being as dangerous if not more so than a Star Destroyer.
>>64937617I'm not a necessarily a hater but why do some faggots suck off this series. From what I've seen its like Revelation Space or the Culture shit in that it couches absurdly fantastical concepts in science words to the point that it becomes completely divorced from the science part of it. Which is fine if you care more about concepts than the autistic assessment of fictional space weapons but some of the fans of run into think that this somehow makes them more grounded than standard science fantasy shit. Which at least in my opinion is the opposite, they get so ridiculous that they can't be take them seriously even for a second and lose all interest.Anybody agree? No? Yes?
>>64964634The dreadnought had a cannon strapped to the bottom that was of a similar size to a star destroyer. Guns on the surface were for point defense >>64962319. There were only a small number of them that left most of the ship exposed and were excessively large for the intended purpose.>>64964841Swordfish wasn't a bad design it was just getting long in the tooth. Star Wars equivalent would've been something like a y-wing.
>>64965662AOTR has pretty beefy space stations. Golans are insanely powerful, whatever the rebellion has is really good, and the black sun has those bullshit mass drivers that can snipe you across the map as you slowly get in range. I like AOTR more than Thrawn's revenge by a long shot.
>>64966031The Culture a shit
>Culturean idol created by a communist atheist
>>64965945StellarisFallen Republic mod
