Post gear, discuss gear.Chinese Plates Edition.Old: >>64893397
/gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF>Last time on /gq/, LiTai started selling Hesco 4800s with Chinese characteristics for half price. Safariland told me the Protech 2240 doesn't exist even though it's on the CPL. Anon fucked up and bought RMA 1165s.>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.161CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):Budget: Hesco T212 or L211Mid-Range: Hesco M210High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DNDElite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):Budget: Used Protech 2120-5Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513High-End: LTC 28780**Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995) or used Cercom CER-SOPS**^>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)High-End: Used LTC 28595**Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)Elite: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P) or ECSAPI (M993)
Safariland email for anyone curious. Basically the Protech 2240 is listed on the actual NIJ CPL listing all certified armor, but is "inactive." Safariland is pulling a Hesco 4520 and basically pretending it doesn't exist. Considering how good the Protech 2230 is, the 2240 is probably a damn fine plate.Also, the Protech 2230 was discontinued in 2021, which is later than I thought. Good news for anyone who wants a pair, there should be more surplus coming as warranties expire. This also means the 2240s were made probably starting in 2021-2022, so they should mostly still be in warranty (hence why they haven't been "surped" out yet).
>>64917311>>64916691First for leather and fur trimmed loadouts.
>>64917393Based.>>64917297Dual ARPs with sixty round schmeissers with 3d printed +20 baseplates and FRTs. Black leather platecarrier. Chinese rizz cloak. Next gen gangster warfare.
>>64917386What the fuck?
>>64917386Was the 2230 ever certified? Is there a chance this is a fucking typo?
>>64917516Round two of armor companies pretending their best plates don't exist. I should ask them about the 9903 too but I don't have a copy of the 0101.04 CPL to press them with.>>64917519The 2230 was certified from the day it launched in June 2013 to when it was discontinued in 2021. No chance it's a typo. The 2230 and 2240 are listed right next to each other on the CPL for Safariland AND Protech. This also means the 2240 has been on the CPL, inactive or otherwise, for about five years. Long time for a totally separate entry on a constantly updated document, don't you think?
>>64917386Safariland is such a shit company now. Every company truly becomes such a scumbag.
>>64917568Can't say I'm surprised. It's the armor industry in a shellnut. Civilians are third fiddle customers, and we get only the meh hand-me-down models. The 2230 was exclusively a "blue side" LE-exclusive plate to begin with. It was never originally sold to anyone but law enforcement, made to address hot-ass reloaded M2AP at 3,510ft/s. The 2240? No idea, but it does exist and it was certified as a IV. The gap between the 2220, 2220-1, and 2230 is huge so the 2240 must be an excellent plate made to address some emerging requirement, hence why they're pretending it doesn't exist.
Already asked but are Howard leight impact sports gtg? They seem fantastic for the money
>>64917311>>64917334I like these images
>>64917311What's that shield? Giving me real Gundam vibes. On a similar note, how much are the meme cloaks?
>>64917962yeah they're good. I have the pros and while they're thick they muffle considerably better than my old walkers. Can feel the difference with a braked gun.>>64917965It's the multicam black rizz cloak, isn't it?
>>64918043Perfect thanks man
>>64918032The shield is from the old favorite before LiTai showed up, Jinny Wu aka Jinwudun. It's a IIIA all-steel handshield also good for some 7.62x25 tokarev threats.https://jinwudun.com/products/jwd-armored-steel-bulletproof-arm-shield-iiia-44-level-protection-11-2x28inchThey have a huge selection of shields.>meme cloakEighty bucks give or take:https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809682841789.html
Is there a 10" round Level IV plate to use as a buckler? Asking for a friend.
>>64918095Not that I've seen, not unless you do a custom request to Gilliam or Jinwudun - which could be costly. 10" round is also small for a shield. You could ersatz similar by using MOLLE forearms and then literally strapping a 10x12 plate to it in a DMGEAR XL panel, or an 8x10 in a Sabado, but that requires heavy DIY so it doesn't sag.
>>64917334Is there a stab vest version of this? Asking for a friend
>>64918112I'm just sayin'...
>>64918130They don't ship to europe, sorry.
>>64918136lol>>64918130That'll be covered in the /gq/ mall ninja infographic when I get to that. Safariland / Point Blank are good here. Adept has some stuff that'll ship to Europe. Militech actually has some beefy, heavy, but decent stab panels that are also ballistic (so they'll be sweaty as fuck but robust).
>>64918134Jinny Wu has a 20" round shield but it's only IIIA. I'm sure they'll do a III if you ask and start waving a debit card at them since it's UHMWPE, so they just have to make it thicker, but the IIIA is already 7lb.https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iiia-round-bulletproof-shield-20-1-inch-uhmwpe-with-durable-nylon-coverGilliam will make armor in "any size at any protection level" as a custom job. The 8002 IV++ plate was a custom job he decided to commercialize and he did make shields years ago. He's got the ceramic and the PE necessary to make you a IV buckler or even higher if ya really really want it.
>>64918176>https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iiia-round-bulletproof-shield-20-1-inch-uhmwpe-with-durable-nylon-coverWe are getting there.
>>64918194Yes, yes... and we're going to bring back the "Rogue Bandolier" as serious tactical gear, too.
>Key Frequency Bands>2.4 GHz: The standard frequency for control links (transmitter to drone). It is widely used due to its ability to penetrate obstacles better than higher frequencies, but it can be congested in urban areas.>5.8 GHz: Commonly used for FPV (First Person View) video feeds and, in many modern drones (like DJI), as a secondary control frequency to avoid 2.4 GHz interference.>900 MHz / 868 MHz: Used for long-range, high-penetration communication (e.g., TBS Crossfire, ExpressLRS).>433 MHz: Primarily used by radio enthusiasts for ultra-long-range, lower-bandwidth communication
>>64918341https://m.made-in-china.com/product/RF-Power-Amplifier-Module-70W-2-4GHz-with-Customized-Frequency-Bands-GaN-Lora-Signal-Jammer-Drone-Signal-Blocker-Anti-Drone-Jammer-2221299855.html
I didn't see anything in the infographic about slings I like this convertible one but $80 after shipping seems like a lot for a couple metal hooks and some fabricWhat are some good budget slings
>>64918357Absolutely do not pay $75 for that. I personally like the ferro slingster, but you can go to pretty much any website that sales gear to get one.
>>64918365is the vicker slings a meme or are they actually good?
>>64918368They're fine. Really any sling will do pretty much the same thing. The reason I like ferro is because the cam is metal and it's wider than the vickers, so it's more comfortable for me personally.
>>64918365What is wrong with the one I posted other than price and the business owner being a pig? Price wise the ferro slingster looks like it would be around the same price after getting mounting hardware I also have a 10% off coupon for the one I posted
>>64918341>>64918343Excellent. I will use 868 MHz to direct my pimp fleet of rizzy food delivery robots. I'm gonna stick some Jinwudun on them so they can withstand hood firepower from the pizza hut to the projects.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt52SaUnmNo
>>64918380>>64918458I just use a twenty dollar sling from Idogear...
>>64918466 I might end up doing that I already got a cheap red dot might as well get a cheap sling too for a $1500 rifle
>>64918501alright, how bad's the red dot?
>>64918458The ferro also has a wider strap, and padding. if you want one with that kind of profile, just go with a cheap idogear one like >>64918466 said. It's $15 and you can also get a 10% discount for that too. You're not going to use the super tactical, one to two point conversion feature. One point slings suck ass, unless you have a 2 inch dick, and balls that suck inside your body. You just hit yourself with it every time you drop the rifle.
>>64918512I wouldn't go below idogear though. I bought some shitty ass Zaotac or whatever sling for six dollars years ago and the zinc pot metal hardware blew out on me at the range.China can make good stuff, but they also still make the chinesium they're known for and sometimes one masquerades for the other...
>tfw you're china
>>64918521I use idogear for my larp clothing. I'm not spending $500 on pants and a shirt, but the idogear ones are fine for just general larping around at the range.
>>64918529I use their tall GP pouches for MKA-1919 turkshit shotgun magazines. Fit 10 rounders like a glove, five to a pouch.
>>64918509Holosun HE510C-GR + HM3X combo
>>64918654lol wtf that's solid. Thought you meant a barska or pinty.
>>64918694cheap compared to Eotech or Trijicon
>>64917311>>64917334>>64918460Where do I buy the Multicam black fur drip cape? This is an important question.
>>64918791Here: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809682841789.html
>>64917311Shearling on clothing always goes hard but these threads are starting to make me think it's too fucking bougie for everyday wear
>>64918854>They don’t know the difference between Hesco 4498 and Protech Xcal
>>64918962>Based on the search results "Hesco 4498" does not appear to correspond to a recognized, specific Hesco Armor plate model (such as the 3000, 4000, or 6000 series).this man on anudda tier of spook plates
Frenchanon here, I got this reply from PANGOLIN and it looks a bit sketchy to me:>My message >"Hello,I am contacting you regarding your NIJ 4 / VPAM 10 hard ballistic plate: HI/RA LIGHT™. On the product page, only the NIJ ballistic test report is available. Do you also have the report or certificate relating to the VPAM 10 standard? Furthermore, regarding the composition, you mention “ceramic and high-performance composite fibers for optimal resistance.” Could you please provide more details on this? Is it monolithic silicon ceramic, boron carbide, or another type of material?">Their answer >"Hello, The document relating to the NIJ standard is indeed the test report; this is the document that is recognized by insurance companies.The certification—referring here to the official NIJ document—is very rare in the sector in Europe, and more generally among most manufacturers, with the exception of a few large state-owned groups. What 90% of manufacturers in the sector do is conduct ballistic tests under the same conditions defined by the NIJ standard. In our case, these tests are carried out by an NIJ-certified American laboratory (authorized to conduct NIJ testing), under the same conditions as the official protocol.Furthermore, NIJ IV plates are made from silicon carbide and aramid fiber (such as Kevlar)."
>>64919914So they never tested it to VPAM-10, they just did one shot with NTS and called it a day. Also they don't know how their plates are made, apparently? This is cringe indeed.
>>649179623M range guards with gel cups vastly superior>>64918368They are the only sling worth buying>>64918341Good place to start
>>64921302>3M range guards with gel cups vastly superiory tho
>>64921667Better sound reproductionBetter comfortBetter helmet mounting optionsBetter batterylife
>>64918368vickers are goodyou want a 2 point sling with quick adjustabilityvickers does it well with thick webbing that resists getting twisted and tangled in itselfyou can get a much cheaper 2 point but it will be thin webbing that is plenty strong but occasionally annoying to deal with>>64918458what you do not want is a single point sling unless you are using something small like an SMG, and you never want bungies, they just makes the gun bounce around every step
>>64921694thanks brudda for making me understandgonna go order sesame cbicken brb
>>64920026Yeah that's not good. Whole world of difference between 3x 7.62x54 B-32 API with less than 25mm BFD and just one M2AP with less than 44mm.
>>64919032>6000 series HescosAI hallucinating super Hescos like Grok hallucinated 3.5lb Lesbian ESAPIs. Lemme go phone Hesco for a 6800 .50 cal plate cuz I don't trust SERBAN with my life against the Irish.
...A2Grip !!NmwbimY+kLZ >64877838Couple threads ago I asked if a TLR7 would fit into a TLR1 safariland holster 6xxx series. This faggot said no. It does fit. So fuck you a2 grip. Anyone ever wrap their own or send it off? Or should I just leave it as or rattle can?
>>64922505I trust Serban just like I trust my optics to hold zero.
>>64918460>>64918791>>64918806fuck off. You've shitted up the past 5 threads. >>64922559it's cordura with double sided tape, you can do this, anon.
>>64922653>Salty ass can't handle the drip>>64922650Well I mean Gilliam IS making plates unequaled by anything from Hesco, Highcom, or RMA in his garage using Chinese materials, it isn't exactly rocket science.A .50 cal plate is just normal plate but 1000lb sisters edition.
>>64918806fucking damn it I missed out on the $7 coupon. My mind is writing checks my wallet can't cash.
Best way to attach a leather holster to a MOLLE chest rig?
>>64923334Cross two zip ties and you can attach anything
>>64923459thx m8
Unironically thinking about testing the "any protection level" claim and calling Gilliam up for a set of .50 cal plates. They would weigh several pounds less than not-Level IV steel.
>>64923657np boss
I have an opportunity to get a Kommandostore Smerch on the cheap. Anyone have any experience with these? Or originals? Curious how well it rides with a slick plate carrier.
>>64922559>Operation lie to anon so he doesnt buy a shitty streamlight failedSad! Why are you wrapping it? If you just want to change colors just rattle can it
>>64924932poor quality compared to the originals
>>64924932Dudes in ukraine wear Smershs riding at belt level and they fit fine even with BALCS-style carriers and crotch armor, as long as the carriers are mostly slick.
FYI, catalyst surplus has the Protech X-CAL LPs on sale for $85 a plate down from a benjamin.Vendor has a bad habit of exaggerating armor ratings, Apex-style. This is not III+, it's like an ICW IIIA but no drop foam Hesco L211. As said before, it's imperative you use these with select IIIA soft armor, so realistically final price is $250 a set counting IIIA plate backers.https://www.catalystsurplus.com/product-page/x-cal-lp
Haven't posted on /k/ in like 5 years.Rate my setup. >Still needs proper comms>Still needs NODs
>>64925343Tempted, 855 plate yeah?
>>64925456Get a real holsterGet a real chemlight systemNo fucking folding antennas on the baofengsThrow bipod awayAdd more TQPut a low profile bag on back of carrierGet some sort of mag pouches with retentionGet QDs for your slingDitch the big knife or at a minimum put on other side>>64925479Buffman video on them honestly very impressiveLack of drop resistance sort of suck
>>64925503Cookies n ciggies right to the mailman. Buffman slowly taking over yt
>>64925479It's good for 7.62x51mm M80 (not the full six shot Level III battery, BFD is also sketch), 5.56 M855, 5.56 M193, and 7.62x39 BZ API. M855A1 is not officially listed so it's sketchy and will depend on velocity / soft armor used.>>64925503>Lack of drop resistance sort of suckI'd agree on "sort of" but these are decade old plates and we don't know how they've been treated, how they'll be packed in the mail, past rough handling, etc. Similar deal to the 4SAS4s except those were newly manufactured just without much QC.>Buffman video on them honestly very impressiveFor an $85 plate. He used very robust IIIA plate backers (100% all-aramid) weighing in at 1.125lb a piece. Final weight is 6.725lb (5.6lb for the plate, 1.125lb for the soft armor), which is extremely heavy for an SRT. BFD on the initial M80 hits WITH said, robust soft armor were 57mm, 70mm, and 70mm, which is really, really poor. Shot spacing was also fairly wide. Velocity was 100ft/s over NIJ spec on the M80, but that's not going to make or break the difference between 44mm and 70mm BFD. I think the drop test compromised them. These completely prioritize concealment and it shows. >>64925527Overall you get what you pay for and the mantra of "no free lunch" still holds true. If they're packed well and the mailman is happy, all good. Get good soft armor ASAP.
lol wtf these are garbage
>>64925503>New holster is in the works with actual retention>Chemlights are fine. Current one is from Defense Mechanisms. Only upgrade that may happen is switching to a MARCO set up for easier use>Why no folding antennas? I'd be curious to learn more. I'm used to using analog or P25 professionally, these are just GMRS for the time being.>Bipod in general or just the shitty magpul bipod? I'm keeping a bipod on the rifle and adding a clip-on thermal, but good bipods are expensive and not a priority>More TQs are there but not exposed. TQ in IFAK and pockets. >Low pro bag is a thought but useless without a team, so its on hold for now.>These mag pouches retain just fine, rucking, prone, running, etc. and I have never had a mag even come close to falling out. >Sling has one QD mount but I dont really see a need for a second QD. Can you elaborate? It's more weight and I don't really see a need for a 2nd QD>Big knife is not for fighting, its for survival/wood processing. It actually sits farther back then it looks, and it's on my dominant side so my non-dominant side is open for mags. Have thought about taking it off the belt and into my pack to free up belt space and weight.
>>64925597>Why no folding antennas?They work but they're usually just tape measure covered in rubber. Get a Nagoya or signal stick. Also switch out the radio to a DM-32UV or similar.
>>64925605>DM-32UVThat's the plan. Trying to get my buddies on comms first in general before upgrading. That was what I was looking at. Currently on GMRS for simplicity in training/licensing in the meantime.This folding antenna is a Nagoya NA-F30G.
>>64925619>Trying to get my buddies on comms first in general before upgradingAh, the great struggle of every man with a radio. I know the feeling.>This folding antenna is a Nagoya NA-F30GAlright, so it's not the amazon special tape measure variety.>>64925592Budget concealment plate bucko. Can't fit a lot of backer in a 0.4" thick package.
>>64925633It's literally a toss-up as to whether steel plates are better.
>>64925881I'll take this b8, let's see:Steel Pros:1. Cheaper at $35 a plate.2. Absolutely immortal versus drop testing.3. Vastly tighter shot spacing capability.4. BFD is typically very low unless the steel "back-spalls" off the wear face, in which case the rear spall coat will hopefully catch at about 30-40mm.Steel Cons:1. Still far heavier at 8lb for a decent Level III without weird cuts or nominal sizing chicanery.2. Spalling!Vulnerable to M193 at 3,250ft/s.3. No shot against BZ API. M855A1 is sketchballs.4. Can be popped by varmint 35gr .223 with great ease.XCAL LP Pros:1. Handles a wider range of threats.2. Lighter at 6.725lb, which is still the same weight as an Adept Colossus but with far less protection.3. No spalling.XCAL LP Cons:1. Major durability concerns.2. The mailman can kill it if shipped improperly.3. 7.62x51 M80 blows through it and has to be caught in the soft armor. Ergo you need to track down reliable and high quality IIIA which meets specific Safariland specs.4. Still unacceptably heavy for a lopro rifle solution. Hesco L211 mogs it but costs more $$$.5. BFD is unacceptable versus .308 threats. 6. Is more expensive, esp with soft armor.The Xcal LP wins because of the M193 and spall issues, but not with a lot of breathing room. This makes me want to make a steel plate infographic to see if ANY of them except the TAC3S family are worth a shit.
>>64925527>>64925592Probably worth noting Buff's sponsor, affiliate linked, for the XCAL LP video, Venture Surplus, had the plates for sale $59 a pop months ago around when the video came out.https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/protech-x-cal-lp-special-threat-plates-10x12-shooters-cut/I'd ding the video given a likely conflict of interest. He makes money when the plates make money through the link. We don't know if these were hand-selected for the test and the rest of the lot was in worse shape, or if there was a scrubbed earlier test, a la RMA ESRT, or some other situation. Buff's good but you can't trust him 100%. See RMA 1192 ringers, ESRT scrubbed fail vs BZ API, 4SAS4 retest, TAS Xtreme missing plates, RMA 1165 G1 / G2 getting special treatment on the drop test, no controls for nominal sizing bullshittery, etc. These are basically special threat 4SUS4s.
>>64926388What I don't get is why Protech, which seems to make decent plates, released such a dud?
My new Vertx 28L came. Thanks GamutAnon for your tips. Definitely smaller than expected in person but I can make it work
>>64926461So when this plate came out in the mid-2010s, there was a market for "dollar store SOCOM plates" that did what more expensive plates did but not as well.Hesco (formerly Reed) opened with the 1520, which was an ICW or standalone poorfag VelSys PBZSA. Heavier, not as robust, but much cheaper, using inferior Alumina ceramic vs much more expensive boron carbide. This X-CAL LP is a similar case, except it seems to be a poorfag MSAPI or LTC 28720 given the similar BZ API rating ICW IIIA (what IIIA?). BZ API is not common in the US at all, you IMO have better odds of running into M995 (much better odds with M855A1, which the XCAL LP isn't even rated for...), so the X-CAL LP was clearly meant for sandbox work. RMA had a BZ API plate in 2015. Hesco's L210 was rated for BZ API but no M855A1. Hesco also had a 3590 same deal. Maybe foreign militaries who we didn't want to give B4C-PE cutting edge plates to? >DudInterestingly the Protech 2230 (my plates) was a total fuckin' dud. In 2017, it was 1.5lb heavier than the Hesco 4600. 0.2" thicker than the Hesco 4600. $200 more expensive a set WITH the LE discount on the Protech and not the Hesco. At the time they were both certified IVs also rated for Level III. Pop quiz. Why, today, is the 2230 a better plate?
>>64923334velcro one-wrap instead of zip ties>>64925597identify the IFAK in some way. Is it the dangler or that big pouch on your belt? put the knife in the pouch or somewhere else, how is it not getting caught on your PC?
Here's another Protech dud. X-CAL AP, classic alumina-fiberglass design. 5.2lb ICW one of a few listed IIIA packages, so not just any IIIA will do. Single strike Level IV, zero multi-hit, at 0.49" multi-curve absolute do not drop.With soft armor you're at about 6lb or so. It's thin but total niche plate. Less than overt Level IV.https://safariland.com/products/x-cal-ap-type-iv-icw
>buyers remorse general>guy buys something>then people write books on why he fucked up>he can't cancel his order and is left with paperweights.pottery.
>>64917311Black MC Martime Assaults are the obvious pick to go with the cape, correct?
>>64928253Oh yeah. Xi's got knockoffs on ali for $25.99 a pair just ask Fuhk Yamuda down by the river he's got the secret link.>>64927323Maybe people should not impulse buy sub-$100 plates. There's a pretty high batting average of that causing issues.
My chinese rizz cloak is almost here. I am metaphorically chasing down the mailman as we speak. He is dropping the plates. They are broken.
FrenchAnon here. I contacted PGD (Protection Group Denmark) regarding the test conducted on their PGD U-line ESAPI plate, NIJ Level IV. Here’s my infographic summarizing the results they sent me. Does this seem more legitimate than PANGOLIN?
>>64930986Yo those are bad plates. One shot, B-32 API, and 41mm BFD? Headroom! Hahahahahahahaha
>>64930959Didn’t give dude cookies n’ ciggies before?
>>64930986Okay, those results aren't great. The backer seems to be weak and 40mm BFD unconditioned versus M2AP is mediocre.>>64931175Definitely looks like the materials aren't up to par. BFD is a function of the backer however and the plate can still have plenty of headroom in the strike face / crack arresting solution. Still, these test reports aren't pretty. Militech looks very good right now to our guy here.>>64931446Probably wanted to jack the cloak.
What are these Berry compliant “government contract” plate carriers on botach?
>>64932019certainly stuff for civilian contractors working in bases outside of the USA
>>64932037I guessed it was either that or something for local allies. Does anyone know who made them?
>>64932019Whatever they are, they look very low quality.
>>64926608IFAK is the big pouch on the belt. Dangler is used as GP pouch. Thinking about just getting a nametape that says IFAK, since the patch it came with is bright white and red. As for the knife, it doesn’t get caught. There’s plenty of vertical clearance and it doesn’t jab into me when I’m seated or crouched for shooting from weird positions. It only sits maybe an inch higher than the PMag does in the mag pouch.
>>64917311Any cloak chads tried a five star alterations cloak?
>>64932019They're battle steel modular plate carriers.
>>64932185Pair them with the 5.5lb $100 Botach Level IVs for the last word in questionable poorfag armor.
>>64932019mr wrinkle 24hour super drycleaners looking ahhh
>>64932106$220 for a cloak? Fuck man I can buy four chinese rizzlers for that ticket
>>64918526>this face when forcing a retarded meme
>>64932417I just want flectarn cloak. I do not ask for much, not even rides or handouts. >anything helps>God Bless!
>>64932490Even the truly rizzless mog normies with a multicam black pimp cloak, no cap. fr fr.>>64932598Philly trash sniper ask the Chinese pimp cloak 996 sweatshop for a custom flecktarn. It'll look fucking PIMP with a dark brown fur collar.
>>64933172>It'll look fucking PIMP with a dark brown fur collar.Then I would need one in tropentarn and a nice coyote pelt collar for summer and the snowball rolls. I wouldn't be caught dead In dark fur after Easter. I mean COME ON!
>>64933202life goals bro. SS oak leaf would also be a baller rizz color
>>64925597>Chemlights are fine.Nah its gonna snap lightsMicro lights soft and it too free flowingEither bundle mini or full size lightsOr pocket/dispenser micros>Why no folding antennasBecause youre not working airband or lowerTransmitting with it folded is super aids, receiving is less terrible but stillThey are just a yuge leverarm for a tiny lightweight radio and provide zero benefit. Get a wearable low profile antenna that doesnt snag on stuff>TQ not exposedAye and thats the issue. Tab them in your shoulder pockets if youre going to do that>Low profile bag is uselessNah being able to jam a puffer or rain layer in there is a huge benefit. Optional hydration also a great time.>They retain fineIn a true lowcrawl across anything but a manicured lawn youre going to plow shit (snow, mud, etc) down into the pockets and draw a mag through all that shit and contaminate your rifle quick like. Keep your happy mag on your belt accessible but theres really no reason to have the plurality of your ammo exposed>Sling has one QDMove the QD mount as far forward on the rail as you possibly can so you can better stabilize the rifle with the sling. Double QD is nice incase someone wants to recover the rifle while youre laying on it. The negligible weight is worth it.>Big knife on dominant sideif youre playing protect the pistol and have the knife on the same side as the pistol its extremely difficult to draw the knife without compromising your grip and handing it to the guy trying to steal your pistol. If its on your off side you can simply clamp down with your dominant hand, draw knife left hand and rib them to build space for the pistol. If it was a more reasonable sized knife directly behind your rifle mag you'd be able to snag it easily.>Big knife [....] taking it offGood, do that
>>64934946> +1.5dBi>provide zero benefit
>>64935139>Its very isotropic!Uh okay good? So are most dipoles? Also>measured when unfoldedWhoops!
>>64935245>>64934946>straight up word saladeffortpost failure>>64932057they are antifa supersoldier pcs
>>64935245>measured when unfoldedWhy would you transmit when folded, unless lazy or underfire? You split hairs over 1/10ths.
>>64935515>it's n-n-not meta!!!!
>>64934946Nice set-up. Could you please give me the ID on your tourniquet pouch, the knife and the rifle pouches ?
>>649355921. Condor2. Condor3. Condorcondor for lyfe
>>64935332Ok>>64935515>Unfold antenna>Baofeng tilts over in pouchNobody using a shitty folding antenna on their baofeng ever unfolds it to TX or RX. Its cargocult 152 worship and anyone doing it should feel bad. >>649355921110gear pouchEsee izulaCrye AVS M4 flap>>64935596Based
>>64935622>Baofeng tilts over in pouchthat's why I have my bendy antenna relocated to the rear plate bagbut yeah I probably wouldn't unfold it unless I was having issues with reaching anyone when it was folded, it sticks up a foot and a half over my head
>>64935683>lemme get the antenna caught around sling comboNah dont do this it sucks>1.5ft over my headThats cool and allYou should really fire up google earth and play with a 6' vs 7.5' viewshed around your area.
>>64935622Condor is a2 approved confirmed. Stick with A2. The American Blast Ass 2" cheat ringed plates, condor, condor, and condor, and bukkake tactical $300 pry bars will get you home probably.
>>649357097'5 gets me about 6 miles6' gets me below minimum viable altitude for viewshedso I would say it's a huge improvement
>>64935622>Baofeng tilts over in pouchbruh you don't even have a tegris cummerbund? how poor are you?
>>64934946Honest question. I want my knife on my non-dominant side, the problem is, that's where my radio wing is. So what's my solution? Do I move my radio over to my right side, and the knife on the left? I'm using wings for both.
>>64936156can you mount the knife under the radio pouch?
>>64934946pistols are useless>>64936156can you draw your knife with your left hand and effectively use it?put it on the right side or on your shoulder and stop thinking about it, you won't use it anyway, a2 is a fat larpercould also stick it to the back of the dangler
>>64936185In theory, yes. But I see 2 problems with that. 1, it will then smash my knife against my side, which wouldn't be the end of the world, but would be uncomfortable and 2, putting it behind my radio just makes it that much harder to get to.>>64936188Yeah, I can access it with my left hand. Putting it behind the dangler wouldn't be the worst option, but you're probably right. Where it is now isn't really an issue.
>>64936113When you only have 5-8 watts, any improvement in gain is a gain, with your waddling floppy antenna. Don't letme break your rizz kid as you skyline yourself.>>64936122American express lyfe. My dad's gun and my credit are the same honestly. 357...I got aaron's up the ass looking for my 17" alienware laptop desu.>>64936156Hold your radio in your hands. Press the button. Squeeze it like your painus.>>64936188What happens when gun breaks desu? Are you an armorfag and think everybody has plates? 9mm kills bro. Fuck you, you ugly.
>>64935813Excellent choices all around>>64936113>Huge improvementIts about 12% when your shit is fully unfolded and you are peacocking perfectly.>Mo range = mo goodNot necessarily budWhat is your buddy 6mi away yet LOS is capable of doing for you?Is blasting out as far as possible really the best emissions control behavior?>>64936156Put the knife on the belt and the radio on the carrier?Radio left side is to ensure antenna clears butt of rifle and all of that fuckery while its slung.>>64936188>pistols are uselessRetarded post, thanks
>>64936447Statistically, nobody can point to someone dying from getting shot in the cheat ring. Ugly armor fact but AFAIK it's true.brb gonna call up LiTai and ask for the $600 half price Hesco 4800s with Chinese Characteristics. 5lb Level IV on the cheap here we go, better hope the china boat has bubble wrap.
>>64934946>In a true lowcrawl across anything but a manicured lawnShut the fuck up you larping faggot. You've had the same pair of arcteryx pants for years while I rip through a pair of pants after one trip to the field. The last time you cralwed was when you were an infant.>>64936447Pistols are useless unless you do CQB for a living and last time I checked you're not in CAG
>>64936489let me shoot you in the cheat ring
>>64936567You must be a pretty good shot to be able to hit 5mm of edge foam but not anywhere else on my body or the plate.
Gents. I live in an apartment. The new people across the hallway are six greasers with slicked black hair who keep eyeing me like college jocks watching sydney sweeney bounce on repeat on Euphoria. They see my 40" gun case and my turkshit shotgun. They want it. How can I reinforce my apartment (landlord is dead or something idfk) to defend against these city slickers?
>>64936618What kind of tools do you have? You could get a reinforced strike plate, but you'd need a drill and probably a chisel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFUKVpaJuKg
>>64936644i have nuffin
>>64936651Then you're sol. You'll have to reinforce the door somehow, unless you plan to stay home 24/7. Pick up a drill off amazon, I guarantee they have same day delivery on a couple of them, and you can pick up the reinforced bolt strike in the same order.
>>64936618>>64936651Strike plate like anon said. Longer screws. Buy the tools off amazon. Drill a camera next to the door and also backup interior camera. If you think you'll have to shoot do not buy ring or similar. Stick to wired, wireless can be remotely knocked out by jammers or "deauth" attacks.Also get a door bar. Do not rely on the drug dealer chains, they can't do shit.Best solution is to move.
>>64936447>pistols are useless>Retarded post, thanks>kills with pistols in combat are so rare they're not even worth debating>no one carries a pistol and ditches them>you already carry a short shotty with your rifle because you're a moronno one has ever needed a pistol in actual rifle combat you dumb fat faggot and you would know that if you ever did anything aside from your larping
>>64936353>What happens when gun breaks desu?fix it you stupid faggotcarry a ak instead of your retarded scar if you break your shit because you're a fat toddler
>>64936726That's imitation a2grip. He will never be a real grip.
>>64936730are they both fat?
>>64936591> 5mmNigga please. RMA was rocking something like 1" and some of the Chinese at that time were even worse. Your 10x12" plate is actually 8x10".
>>64936741Friendly fire ya shit I'm talking about the edge foam on the Litai Chinese Hesco 4800s.
SINCE WHEN WAS CHINESE GEAR ACCEPTABLE IN GQ? ESPECIALY ARMOR WTF FUCK YOUR ALL POOR
>>64936651>i have nuffinStay that way, I was happier before I became affluent. >>64936839>FUCK YOUR ALL POORHonestly, it's for the best.
>>64936839>muh american plates>Highcum 4SAS4s you can't drop and come from the factory fucked. Company threw a shitfit so Buff had to redo the video and KNEEL.>Hesco 4403s that fail if the M2AP is too hot by 20ft/s.>RMA 1155s that lose to two cheap ass Tulammo .308 at 100 meters and have torn covers.>RMA ESRTs that flop against BZ API so the company throws a shitfit and Buff has to redo the test / delete the old video.>RMA 1189s that had a one inch cheat ring not advertised for five years>Hesco 4800s that flop if you drop em>Protech X-CAL LPs that weigh over 6lb with good soft armor, can't be dropped, and piss 70mm on BFD against a rated threat (the fuck?).>Every single Highcom or RMA 10x12 that is really a "9.5x11.5" but wait there's a variance and they're smaller!There's shitty armor from every country.>SINCE WHEN WAS CHINESE GEAR ACCEPTABLE IN GQFor like the past ten years? Have you been in a coma? Are you big boss?>>64937262You know I will say internet tac-talk really mellowed out after all the fake richfags buying Hesco 4800s with covidbux while their 90k student loans accrued interest dipped. I'm kicking myself for not buying that pair of Hesco 4800LVs on fleabay for $350 cuz SOMEBODY couldn't make the rent or whatever.
Also, because most people don't know this part of the "RMA sucks" lore, here's the screengrab from several threads ago about the RMA ESRT. Thanks to the anon who saved it because I actually never knew about this. So the RMA ESRT is rated for 7.62x39mm BZ API. Buffman tested it against 7.62x39mm BZ API from Yugoslavia and minute differences in construction resulted in it defeating the plate -in THEORY, so RMA threw a fit and he wound up redoing the test. Also possible the plate was made on a Monday and just wasn't up to snuff.This is of course 100% on RMA. When you say "BZ API" you need to ensure it stops every single kind of BZ API because the combloc factories weren't consistent for shit. Other example is B-32 API. Relatively few people know there's a B-32 and a somewhat better B-32M. If you say B-32, you better mean B-32 and B-32M. Good manufacturers build their plates with some headroom so if the ammo is a little hotter than average or there are incremental improvements or regional variations you're not shit out of luck. Sorry, Hesco.AR500 got flak for the same problem years ago when their III+ steel was rated for 7.62x51mm Black Tip, thereby implying AP. In reality it was just 7.62x51mm with a black sharpie tip but it clearly implied at least M61 AP - which is like diet M2AP, and which is far outside the capability of most steel plates that don't weigh twelve pounds sans coat.
>>64937262based mcdonalds anon
The meme cloak has arrived gentlemen. Appears they sent me the "dark gray collar" edition.
>>64939058Your neighbors cat has better fun than that. Justbsayin'...
Anyone know where I can pick up a set of 4403 small sapis or even better small shooters cut plates? In stock/ready to ship preferred of course.
>>64939108Fortunately the collar is removeable, it attaches by elastic loops and buttons with tie down straps, so there are plenty of upgrade possibilities.
>>64939196OP Tactical has SAPI Small in stock.https://www.optactical.com/product/hesco-4403-level-iv-shooter-cut-single-curve-rifle-plate-r/
>>64936513>You've had the same pair of arcteryx pants for years while I rip through a pair of pants after one trip to the field.Based retard>Unless you do CQB!!!Wow almost if you just replied to a photo of a loadout with a breaching shotgun, gasmask and other implements for doing CQB>>64936722>no one has ever needed a pistol in actual rifle combatOver 55 people have received the medal of honor for acts while using a 1911.>>64936726Shoot the side of your rifle and tell me how you fixed it in under one and a half seconds.
>>64939205I have faith in you.
>>64939354>$1000 in pantsFucking retard is right.
>>64939408Should I buy a katana to complete the look?
>>64939412Dawg I have single pairs of pants worth more than that.
>>64939412Based poorfag who can't afford my pants.
>>64925881>>64925945and I did. The state of the steel plate market is actually pretty rough. Everyone decided to go premium, but Highcom's got a mighty fine sale on the not-AR1000 AR1000 going on. The AR500 is super cheap but discontinued, and the M193 standoff is frankly sad.The AR1000 is still unacceptably heavy and the spall coating needs to be thicker, AND it suffers from nominal sizing chicanery, but at the moment it's probably the most workable plate in pic related. No M855A1 rating. Buff tested it, it's sketchy with M193 above 3,300 (loses around 3,350) and won't stop A1 reliably unless it's below 2,900.The X-CAL LP still kills it unless durability is paramount. It's roughly a draw price-wise given the Highcoms need spall bags and the LPs need specific, very good IIIA or they aren't going to perform.One advantage of steel is that backface deformation on good steel is less than 10mm, sometimes fractions of a millimeter. Behind armor blunt trauma will be significantly lower than the abysmal 70mm Buff got with the X-CAL, but is that really worth the weight / loss of overall protection when you can reduce ceramic BABT with a trauma pad?
>>64939354>Over 55 people have received the medal of honor for acts while using a 1911.>The last Medal of Honor awarded for actions involving a 1911 pistol was to Army Sergeant Major Thomas J. McGuire during World War II. wow tell me more you retarded fatass lol>Shoot the side of your rifle and tell me how you fixed it in under one and a half seconds.ah yes pull out your pistol while engage by rifle fire, brilliant tactics there couch walrusdo you practice that are the larp factory?
>>64939412the funniest part is arcteryx is a terrible company and the only decent thing they ever made were kneepadsliterally consumer cult shit
>>64939585So what's your alternative if your rifle is disabled or taken out of commission? Are you gonna whack people with a hatchet?We need to be like the Chinese and carry polearms and shields at the Indian border. Get medieval on those asses.
>>64939585>Nobody has EVER used a pistol>Uhh that doesnt count!Alright bud>ah yes pull out your pistol while engage by rifle fireGuess ill sit there and die then
>>64939603well a2faggot carries a shotfun too so maybe he can blow his brains out when he realizes he's to fat to outrun the enemybut really what kind of gay larp are you running? If you're engaging an organized enemy at 150 yards you've probably already fucked up and you and you're little boog squad are about to get slottedfor civilians long range is king, if you want to be a larpfaggot you need numbers, not just you and bojangles in your little 4 man stack running fucking carbines, 338 is going to sort you all out pretty quick
>>64939612>make a retarded statement>immediately proven wrong because you're a retard>starts whiningyeah you will die because you're fat and retarded
>>64939638>for civilians long range is kingFucking based .300 Winchad and above enjoyer. You are now sworn by the laws of autism to PURCHASE and RELOAD pulled M2AP penetrators so you can FUCK XSAPIs in the boog.
>>64936513>boasting about fucking his cheap pair of shitty pants up in a single dayFWIW the OG Arcteryx Drac pants were excellent. Mine only finally gave up the ghost after probably 8-9 years or so, and as much as you might meme and fabricate your own bullshit narrative that I didn't use them, I guarantee I used them, heavily. Easily 250-300 days. Working on cars, hiking, camping, shooting. They were honestly so good if I could press a button and get the exact same pair right now, I would gladly spend $200 a pop and buy 2x pairs. Too bad they're discontinued. I've yet to find a new model pair of pants that I like as much as I liked those old Arcteryx dracs. FWIW I do think Arcteryx is overpriced, but overall I would say for the most part, especially in years past, it really was some of the best functional kit/gear you could get for clothes and layers, especially for certain things.
>>64939661extremely basedreminder>a2 with his team of faggots jumping through the woods with their cocksucking ARs>gets engaged by a literal mile away>DONT WORRY ILL BUST OUT MY PISTOLyeah
>>64939638being a tripfag is gayacting like an upset little faggy bitch boy every time to see a tripfag is extra gay
>>64939675retarded fat people deserve to be bullied when they constantly say retarded bullshitgo suck his dick
>>64939672This is why he needs to make like the Chinese and the Ukrainians and wear an 8x10 plate to protect his electric twanger.
>>64939700>a cloak made of 8x10 plates with a fur liningthe future is now
>>64939684if I want to bully a retard, I bully wuggyA2 isn't retarded, he just speaks with an authority that he doesn't have
>>64939706fair enough
>>64939703I'll do you one better. Murray Neal is going to come out of hiding (this is ancient armor lore) and release a DRAGONSKIN CLOAK. Full Level III+ protection using carbide discs, like John Wick's suit but with more rizz.
I've come to the conclusion steel plates are still retarded. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>64939414That or Cold Steel Gladius or Condor Makara. That said, I really like my Condor Mini Duku Parang.
>>64939427>single pairs of pants worth more than that.Then you are dumber than I thought.
>>64939642>make a retarded statement>immediately proven wrong because you're a retard>starts whiningPot meets kettle>>64939638>he posted from inside a buildingCurious!>>64939771Steel bros, not like this !
>>64939771>Thank you for your attention to this matter.Did this quote come from Truth Social?
What if... I diy'd a cloak out of an M81 woodland woobie and added a steel gorget?
>>64939755based>>64939834you were instantly proven wrong fatty cry about it
>>64939834>steel brosDamn man why are you at the retirement home. Stop hanging out with 85 year old hamboomers and perfect the mortar you were on about a few threads ago.fireteam level indirect fire will root out the snipers complaining about your rizzler pants that cost more than most peoples' plates (bruh).>>64939849Yes. I informed President Trump that there were steel ESAPIs in 2004 using AMERICAN steel and he loved them so much until he picked them up and saw NOBODY CAN EVER ACCEPT plates THIS HEAVY. All AMERICAN armor using space ceramics from ELON will protect us from CHINA 6.8x50mm super bullets, the BIGGEST AND GREATEST RIPOFF of our 6.8 made by the PATRIOTS at SIG.Unrelated, since the Chinese literally developed tungsten core 6.8 just to proxy for XM1184, I wanna see the next gen of super chinesium to render the M7's former goal UNMET.
>>64939869kinky bdsm soldier hiding from drones in the deep ayy tunnels of appalachia?
Update. Safariland ain't getting back to me about the 2240. Kinda sus honestly.
Any recommendations for good boots to wear for backpacking or SHTF? the 5.11 A.T.A.C. Shield Boot seems like wits pretty good for the money.
>>64939893>Yes. I informed President TrumpUNEQUALLED.
>>64940222I need to commission WILSON GILLIAM, AMERICAN PATRIOT, to defend against ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC with plates rated for Russian super bullet 7n73. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
>>64940332>HE'S A REALLY GREAT PATRIOT, SO GREAT...
>>64940382NOBODY MAKES PLATES BETTTER THAN GILLIAM. China's plates are strictly "INFERIOR" and never has there been a more affordable AMERICAN armor company. I had a long and pleasant conversation with VLADIMIR ZELENSKY and he understands "what" must be done. He will no longer be paying FAILURE Hesco any money for 8x10 CROTCH plates for his troops' mediocre CLUMSY "Sabado" carriers from CHINA. He will be EXCLUSIVELY buying ALL AMERICAN plates from GILLIAM and a 10% surcharge for the BOARD OF PLATES with myself, DONALD J. TRUMP, as CHAIRMAN.THANK YOU. USA USA USA.
Jannies are being fags again, I can't post images.
>>64940974I've come to the conclusion the new captcha doesn't help. There is an UNEQUAL amount of slide threads.
LiTai is based.>Can body armor stop a 50 cal?Hard armor systems “strikeface” along with a composite blend can be the perfect armor against calibers up to 50 caliber ball and armor-piercing rounds. These products can absorb up to 72 to 75% of the energy from most rounds in the ball format and 68 to 78% of the kinetic energy from armor-piercing rounds.>Do civilians need body armor?Home-Defense Being able to protect your family is more than having a gun because modern bullets pass through walls and kill people every year. If you live in an area that could face potential high crime rates, body armor for your home makes a lot of sense>Can a katana cut plate armor?Generally, katana, like most swords really, can't cut through anything too hard. They hande flesh and bone pretty well and, as that's all they are really designed to cut, that's usually enough. Can a katana cut through armour? Not usually, no.https://www.litaiarmor.com/bulletproof-plate/
>>64939354Post a picture of the last person you shot with a pistol in CQB>>64939666By trip to the field I mean NTC you fucking retard. 300 days is literally nothing.>working on carsoooh so you sat on the concrete floor of your garage exerting zero wear and tear on your pants?>hikingso you walked from A to B and never once crawled across rocks>shootingagain, you stood up on a flat range and put zero wear and tear on your pantsMy grandma has porcelain cups and saucers in a cabinet which are over 100 years old. I bet they're really tough and durable.
>>64939666I hope you take A2 with you when you finally snap from all the concussions
Turns out Drangonskin was a scapegoat conspiracy to cover Pentagon graft and corruption. https://youtu.be/8CuXbALHQQU?si=ETwmUDOWI_R_V45M
>>64941097> Generally, katana, like most swords really, can't cut through anything too hard. They hande flesh and bone pretty well and, as that's all they are really designed to cut, that's usually enough. Can a katana cut through armour? Not usually, no.> Not usuallylol, these guys are nuts.
>>64941097How much do they pay you to post on various weapons forums?
>>64941569Are there people even talking about LiTai elsewhere? >>64941494In 1999, a Nork commando unit stole a seven-body Muramasa blade and on the way out drove it through the first gen UHMWPE plate of a JGSDF commando sent as part of a QRF. These results were relayed back to China, where this forbidden technique became known as Jin Wu Dun.>>64941422Neal did you pay the liens on your house and Harley off from 2013 yet?
I'm struggling to shoulder a carbine with plates on, almost at all. I am wondering if I should size down. I've tried the large shooters cut from hesco and their medium SAPIs. My other question is if working out a bunch and getting a bigger chest/shoulders will help? I kinda doubt it because the shoulder pocket won't change where it is but I figured I'd check to see what y'all think.
>>64941652>forbidden technique became known as Jin Wu Dun.I heard Bruce Lee was assasinated by a ninja that used the "vibrating palm" technique to induce a brain hemorrhage. That shit creeps me out to this day. It's Iike being able to kill with a sound. Fucking deadly.
>>64941760/gq/ is TRUELY trend setting trends! It's getting real now, men!
>>64941766How's your sizing relative to pic related?>>64941777Checked. A fearsome weapon indeed.
>>64941796Chinese rizz cape dominance will lead us to a more multipolar / bipolar / schizo future.
>>64941798I'm at the very bottom of the medium measurements
>>64941812You'd maybe get more purchase with a swimmer cut front plate, but if you're actually at the cusp of the 8x10 range and are struggling to shoulder a gun then the answer seems to be... 8x10. Good news is that these are a hell of a lot lighter. Bad news is that they're a lot harder to find in stock.
>>64941849The finding them in stock issue has been my problem, especially if I want to have multi curve plates.
>>64941860This is probably going to sound silly, but Highcom's 10x12 is actually more of a 9x11. They do this to make the plates seem lighter than they actually are but you can use this to your advantage if you're between sizes. RMA does the same but they suck.With that in mind, if you're looking at Hesco 4403s then the equivalent Highcom is the 4S17M. It's much heavier when the sizing is equalized but it's more robust.With Highcom, stick ONLY to their 0101.06 certified models. Plates like the 4S16, 4SAS7, and 4SAS4 are not certified and going off the 4SAS4 debacle are really iffy.
>>64941796Outdoor Snow And Wind Jade Door Vest With Cloak Attached (fur collar may shed hair) sales at all time high. Thank you very much, gear queers.
>>64939831found the zillenial award
Man I don't like bullshitters. There's this new "THOR AP" going around emac's and other sites.>7.62x39mm AP>7.62x39 AP THOR Steel Core AP Ammunition>This is contract ammunition that wasn't supposed to make it to the public. Due to the import ban, these projectiles were pulled and reassembled in the United States decades ago with a much better powder which increases the velocity and penetrating abilities. >--Will Pass Through Level 4 Ceramic--Booolshiiiiit. If you can't get through it with steel core .30-06 or 7.62x54 you can't get through it with steel core 7.62x39.https://emacstactical.com/7-62x39-thor-ap-contract-single-cartridge/
>>64943429are gaytubers shilling this stuff like that one guy was shilling yesterday?
>>64943485Yeah, it first came up weeks ago in the Gilliam 8002 test video by 3RBallistics. Buffman is of the persuasion "THOR" is garden variety mild steel core ammo. I'm inclined to agree. You cannot punch an uncompromised standalone Level IV plate with 7.62x39mm steel-core AP, absent hitting a cheat ring. It can only be done with tungsten core and that relies a lot on plate composition. Emac's is shoveling shit.
Guy on fleabay has the Protech X-CAL LPs down to $65 a plate. He has ten so there must be some kind of inventory purge. Reminder these are specialty covert plates, must be used with GOOD IIIA, and suck ass if you try to press them into a generalist role. Too heavy, BFD is too high, no drop pro.https://www.ebay.com/itm/327019987135There's a mcfucking shitload of policesurp Protech on the market lately. Wonder if there's a larger reason.
>criminals scale>cops upscaleSimpel as.
>>64944174Criminals are rolling black tip 5.56 and 7.62 on the regular? You uh, sure about that cap?
>>64944215It pays to stay ahead of the curve and use next years budget now, and to ask for maore later
>>64944225I hear you there, but there's a real shortage of M993-rated plates on the market unless you buy XSAPIs or are willing to buy Chinese. LTC stopped making 28601s years ago. M993 is the most immediate round which has a shot at the 2014Gs and 2230s, and it'll need to be hauling ass for the latter given the 3,500ft/s M2AP v0. And then there's the 2240, which may or may not be the one plate above the Colossus unless my working theory is right and it's just the 2230 with an UHMWPE backer.What's probably happening is that they're bitching about weight (justified) and switching to lighter plates even at the cost of extra dosh. Baltimore SWAT is rolling VelSys PBZ-SAs and they mog the X-CAL LP in every way, but are $2k a set.
fucking damn it opticsplanet SUCKS
>>64944290They have semi screwed me and semi made it right. I will never buy there again, tho. I kept the Trijicon sticker anyway.
>>64944253>What's probably happening is that they're bitching about weight (justified)They need to upgrade the X2s and P26s to T7 and the Body 2s to Body 4s. That's next years budget being spent now.
>>64944509what happened? I had to cancel my order cuz the condor chest rig i wanted had a three month delay.
>>64944520So they're gonna sell workable albeit sub-par plates to somebody who's then gonna sell them to us, and then not replace them with anything?I think they've got the scratch for those, new plates, and new cruisers, at least the big Metros do.
>>64944523For me, they scerwed me over on a LEO only auto knoife, dispite my certs and I have to return an MRO for bloom. The return went well enough.
>>64944580I saw they got rid of mag cap limit exemptions for ban states. Guess they couldn't keep a lawyer on retainer and/or people were bullshitting credentials to get normal magazines behind enemy lines.
>>64944523I ordered a pair of DCM speakers off ebay and they've been stuck on the other side of the country for two weeks. Me thinks everybody at UPS fuckin lied about being able to lift 50 pounds on the job app. I feel you bro. >>64944580I'm really under the impression they got burned with fake certs.>>64944670Most companies are like that. Way too easy to get burned by photoshop patrick with fake certs. Just sell to free states.
I get so burned out by plate minutiae, sometimes your GEAR is UNPULLED. Pull it, pull it good. I've tried them all, Suunto thermometer/compass, diy paracord. Just consoom.
>>64944779Well nothing is really happening in the plate department besides cheapass questionable Protechs.>CONSOOMI enjoy my platinum status with Aliexpress. Uni Uni didn't deliver my package at 1:45 in the morning like they normally do, so I asked for a nondelivery refund and I was refunded IMMEDIATELY.And then later my pimp cloak from CHINA somehow beat an ebay package that was two states away. Gotta love the Chinese. I love it when I'm asleep on the couch and I see a 50 year old man bob his head outside my window, drop a package, and then speed off at 50 mph in a toyota yaris with no hubcaps, a donut, and bald tires.
>amazon: late delivering an e-book.>fed-ex: felony driver with ten priors stole the $3.47 dvd thinking it was a PS5 game.>ups: forged signature on a signature required $1,200 package, porch pirates who tailed him for ten miles took it. He totally wasn't in on it.>usps: mailman went to prison for stealing checks.>dhl: one month to deliver an eotech from across townPic rel: the slowest UniUni driver at the door, two in the morning, three days after ordering:>"Sir. I got your 30x dollar express gauze packs, 2000mg dollar express 12" mega dick pills, six month supply of dollar express halodrol, twenty five 18650 9900mAh arson batteries, ten pounds of BITCH DESTROYER Domestic Violencemaxx protein powder, dollar express, a 36-watt signal jammer, and ten 'airsoft' ar-15 lowers and airsoft glock switches right here. Dollar Express."
>>64944968Damn dude!, you buff! Rizzin' cloak stud.
>>64945038es the cloak senor
>looks at the rizz cloak people won't stfu up about for five threadsI'M GONNA COOM
I like how /gq/ has been taken over by an autist who spams walls of text about ceramic plates and a chinaman trying to trick people into buying shitty aliexpress larp cloaks.
>>64945104Armor paragraph man here. You're the second guy that thinks I'm the same dude as neetmaster.Wait. Is neetmaster real? Am I hallucinating an angsty chinamaxxer who thinks mehler vario and hesco are retarded?
>>64945104ok but the cloaks are rad as fuck thoim gonna buy one for my girlfriend when i get a girlfriend :(
>>64945145>im gonna buy one for my girlfriend when i get a girlfriendYou can buy a gf, you know. At least rent one.
>>64946056Based secret aliexpress link enjoyer.Unrelated, back to the armor autism saga. Two guys on boomercom that probably have egg on their face for recommending shotstop scam side plates... over MSAPs that are actually combat proven.Apparently "hey, if it's too good to be true, it probably is!" is a recent invention in armor land. This just came to mind because there's a lot of shitstop plates still going around tacswap and fleabay. More people who screwed up. Honestly surprised there wasn't a class action about this by disaffected consumers, ditto for the 4SAS4 against Highcom / Chase / Tacticalshit / Apex.
>ordering a 10PM gf for friday night play date>and picking up lvl 4 plates, carrier and cloak>all for under $200usdExciting times!
>>64947115Based shifu of the Jin Wu Dun path.
Just got a pair of tan MSAPs for less than $250. How'd I do?
>>64947199Sounds affordable.
>>64947539And pretty good too. Three pounds for the set and they're the same Ceradyne persuasion Buff tested, so they're good for M2AP albeit with high BFD.Sadly not the cool guy BZ API + M995 ones but hey, can't get everything. They're going in a pair of MSAP deltoid shoulder protectors.
NIJ 0101.07 is getting there guys!https://www.bodyarmornews.com/nij-0101-07-separating-fact-from-fiction-as-the-body-armor-industry-transitions/>NIJ has stated that the 0101.06 Compliant Products List (CPL) is expected to remain active for up to two years after the 0101.07 CPL is published—through the end of 2027, and longer if needed.So we're going to have two standards for a while.>Follow-up Inspection and Testing (FIT) continues without interruptionWhoever said FIT testing stopped is fulla shit.>Agencies should not feel pressure to abandon proven 0101.06 equipment simply because a new standard exists.0101.06 holdouts until 2030 here we come.>NIJ and CJTTEC have consistently stated they will not publish the 0101.07 CPL until there is a meaningful number and variety of compliant products available to agencies. This approach is intentional: publishing a thin or unbalanced CPL would force agencies into premature decisions and undermine the purpose of a careful transition.There's allegedly a huge amount of new models just sitting on the 0101.07 "shadow CPL" until it drops.>Informal guidance, including discussions at SHOT Show 2026, has pointed to late Q1 or early Q2 2026 as a potential window. That guidance remains directional only until published in writing.They're gonna blow this deadline fr fr.
Cheap but tried and trve range finder recommendations?
>>64948859I've heard people swear by the ones for golf, but they usually never used to reach 1000yrds.
>>64948859>>64949046I have a cheapo Armasight TRF thermal rangefinder I got for under $200 when they did that IMO very shady "our loss is your gain" sale. Old-ass Torrey Pines gameboy tier sensor but the rangefinder is passable. Might be hard to track down those given it's been about two years.
>>64948859$100 ones from amazon
>>64949103Might want to consider aliexpress or used ebay at that rate. By the way, sale on 2L canteens on Aliexpress they're ten bucks per with a case.Will review when I get them, including if the plastic destroys my balls.
>>64949143Price difference to aliexpress vs amazon is nill and you can return the amazon one easier if you need to. I bought one from amazon and it works
Are vedder holsters any good? only company i can find that makes a decent looking holster for my p30l
>>64949154They're decent, I had one for a CZ a while ago and it was decently comfortable. I went with JM Custom for my beretta, and it is probably a nicer and easier holster to carry
>>64949152Ali honestly has had better returns for me than Amazon. The more account history the more likely they'll let you keep the money and tell you to dispose of the item. Costs too much to ship back.Ali is also 5-15% cheaper if you shop around and leave shit in your cart a while due to adaptive pricing.Used ebay is still the ace in the hole. A lot of people do drugs, have bills they can't afford, have debts, or buy shit they can't afford so they'll eat a loss big time. Learn to snipe auctions.
>>64949253If buying a fucking $10 canteen is such a huge purchase for you that you leave it in your cart for weeks to reap a 5% discount or stay up until midnight to snipe ebay auctions, you are an abject failure at life. Literal starving niggers in africa have more money than you.
FrenchAnon here, I’ve continued my search for good European ballistic plates and came across this small French brand. I contacted them and asked for their test reports, and they sent me ballistic test results equivalent to NIJ IV and VPAM 10. The plate is available in several material options. I specifically asked for the results for the LORICA V3 Bravo / SiC (a kind of shooter cut). However, they sent me the results for the same plate in 10x12 format (in SiC) for the NIJ test, and for the shooter cut version (in B4c) for the VPAM test.Do you think this is a legit plate?
>>64949567Common anon hallucination. Breaking news, people do things to save money for larger purchases they don't for small ones. Who's saving $1.50 on canteens? You pull those tactics out for $80 pimp cloaks. >>64949593This looks significantly better on paper. Interesting plate cut. I'm unfamiliar with the brand, but it looks like some of their plates won't deliver until as late as august which is IMO odd. Boron carbide is very expensive ceramic and is rarely seen with upstart brands, so there is a possibility there's a bigger shit behind the scenes.
>>64949567>If buying a fucking $10 canteenLook at mr bigbucks here.
Daily reminder that if you wait and get adaptive pricing on a pimp cloak you get $12 or so off, which gets you a $10 canteen plus a bit for shipping.
What medical equipment can I buy on AliExpress and get away with? Also, are Rhino rescue metal TQs "good enough"? Name brand TQs are like 50$ where I live.
>>64949851>medical equipment>AliexpressAre you chinese?
>>64949851>What medical equipment can I buy on AliExpress and get away with?Sharpie holder>TQs are like $50 where I liveYeah thats what they cost dog>>64948859How far do you want to go?General rule of thumb is to halve the distance against somewhat reflective targets, maybe 1/3 it against non reflective when looking at cheap onesLeupold makes some nice ones
>>64949851gauze >are Rhino rescue metal TQs "good enough"no
What are some good mil surp chest rig options?I’ve never used one and want something to learn on and familiarize myself on before I spend any big bucks.However, I still want a solid, usable system that I can use for a while without regret.
>>64950598A surplus "Northern ireland" chestrig in DPM is under $100 delivered and will stow 6x mags, admin gear, water and comms.https://www.ebay.com/itm/277602417739>Argh im too cool for DPM and cant be assed to paint itUsed TAPS rig is $50 but bring your own pouches.
>>64950622That Northern Ireland one, what are the trade-offs?I’m guessing the pros is that it has all the pouches already present and pre-configured.Am I correct to assume the drawbacks are that it’s old and heavy?Would a taps be superior if it was properly pouched?
>>64950670>That Northern Ireland one, what are the trade-offs?X harness sort of sucks compared to H harness. Could be modded to take an H harness if you really dont mind sewing.Fixed pouches can be limiting but I wouldnt worry about this if you dont know what you need/dont need.>Old and heavyNylon weighs about the same as nylon of current yearTAPS has way more upgrade capability but dumping that much money into a taps just makes no sense, you can buy a better chestrigTaps upgrades exist for units that are forced to use taps.
>>64949851cool trick: get a vacuum sealer and seal your TQs so they don't get ruined, just cut little tabs so it's easy to tear open again
What’s a good plate carrier for carrying about 35lbs? I wanted to get the Ars Arma knockoff Crye plate carrier, but it’ll take over a month to get here and I need it yesterday. I need it to carry a shit ton of medical equipment and gear. Idk what that even means. I’m going to be posted in the heart of the ghetto with a bunch of under equipped guys and we’re going to be responded to domestic violence and over doses pretty much every day
>>64951109Advanced trolling>>64951373>35lbs>Medical gearPut that shit in a bag so multiple people can work Pt not on your body so people leaning over. Also way too much shit
>>64951388Homie I’m rocking at least 18lbs in platesJamal ain’t clapping me wit his Draco. Idk what else I’ll bring but I know I’m going to do the thing where you connect your plate carrier to ur belt
>>64951434>Homie I’m rocking at least 18lbs in platesStop wearing steel plates
>>649514527.5+7.5+1.5+1.5=18
>>64951373>I wanted to get the Ars Arma knockoff Crye plate carrierVelcro cummerbunds in 2026.No QR.NGMI. It's a QoL thing.
>>64951494He's just being a condescending dick again. Also, rain is wet.
>>64951388>ruin your TQs for no reason while doing your faggot larping lolyou're still fat and retarded
>>64950622No dot on that pistol? Explain yourself Caesar.
Oldfag who used to post here like a decade ago. Why is this thread so gay now?
>>64952162I just don't see how fake fur trimmed camo cloaks and skateboard knee pads are gay?
>>64952176That's the problem
>>64952180Hey now, aliexpress laser range finders were backed off from in the very thread! It's not like we have to put up with the afro seamstress and bedbunkguy anymore.
>>64951954Rain is wet. A2 can't get a Grip on armor. Thinks 6.725lb armor that can't stop shit is very impressive but 7.5lb Level IV is too heavy.Also thinks 7.5lb is steel. Dawg, that's typical budget Level IV weight for ceramics. Steel Level III with a proper spall coat is nine, absent sizing fuckery.>>64952162Change in board culture. For example, back when /bag/ was a thing, the position was hardline zero chinese armor. Now chinese armor is embraced with only some SOME hesitation. That's also part of a wider shift - Chinese armor is much more competent than it used to be, ditto for LAMs, pimp capes, kneepads, analog night vision they're still hinky on but they're working on it, etc. World class thermals though.>>64952176They're based actually, because at the end of the day nothing ever happens and we're gonna have fun larping or larp trying.>>64952194Buying used shit on ebay is more based than aliexpress golf rangefinders.
sup anons, if the objective lens on my binos (pvs 31 clone) is lose to the point where i can adjust it with 1-2 fingers, does this mean that the O ring is worn out or fucked?
>>64950598>>64950670Buy a $15 chicom chest rig and you'll realize gear is gay and save yourself from wasting any more money on stupid shit you don't need. Type 56 and Type 81 have pockets which are too deep for AR15 mags, the Type 63 fits AR mags like an open-top pouch but you can't close it. The 'Northern Ireland' rig fits 9 AR magazines or 6 L1A1 SLR mags. There's no reason why you would ever buy this chest rig.>>64950747>>64950622Shut up you idiot.
>>64950622>"Northern ireland" chestrig in DPM is under $100>recs a decent option>>64953174>Shut up you idiot.This is what happens when you lose credibility chasing e-fame and status as a trip fag.
>>64951494Thats nutty for doing first aid dawgIt should be drastically closer to 5+5+1+1If youre doing it for a living/voulnteering its well worth spending money in not giving yourself 18lb in plates>>64952049>Worried about wearing down his brakepads so he takes them out for casual drivingSmart>>64952152Twas a decade ago>>64952358>Thinks 6.725lb armor that can't stop shit is very impressive but 7.5lb Level IV is too heavy.Difference between a 7.5lb and 5.5lb plate is yuge (also its 2)>>64953174>Type 56 and Type 81 have pockets which are too deep for AR15 mags, the Type 63 fits AR mags like an open-top pouch but you can't close it.Sounds good!
>>64952162occupied by poorfag general, there has been every limited innovation in gear in the last 10 years, everyone's just waiting for nods and thermals to get cheaper
>>64953381>there has been every limited innovation in gear in the last 10 years There are cathedrals everywhere for those with the eyes to see
>>64953371>Difference between a 7.5lb and 5.5lb plate is yuge (also its 2)You forgot the IIIA soft armor those 5.5lb plates need to actually work. Let's try this again chief.1. 2x 5.6lb plates = 11.2lb (buff weighed them at 5.6)2. 2x 1.125lb soft armor panels = 2.25lb3. 11.2lb + 2.25lb = 13.45lb.Final weight is 13.45lb for a pair of plates that can't even stop basic .308 properly, versus 15lb for a pair of 7.5lb plates like Protech 2230s which can stop M2AP out of a .30-378. The difference is less than two loaded pmags.The only yuge difference is in thickness, which is 0.6" versus 1.2".
>>64953511>those 5.5lb plates>The rest of this postSir this is a wendysYou can buy a litany of lighter weight plates7.5lb in current year is the result of poor planning.Also 18lb is usually 2x 9lb steel plates when people are poverty posting
>>64953371>It should be drastically closer to 5+5+1+1>If youre doing it for a living/voulnteering its well worth spending money in not giving yourself 18lb in platesI agree with you here. Problem is that you can't do 5 + 5 + 1 + 1 and meet "optimal" CONUS requirements of M855A1 + M80A1 unless you're a baller and put $2,500 on a pair of LTC 28595s or preferably 28570s, plus 28540 sides for $600 on a good day. I think if we took a census the average person here is running no more than $500-600 in plates. Ergo you need to compromise somewhere. 1. Weight2. Durability / sizing3. Protection
>>64953525>You can buy a litany of lighter weight platesAnd end up sacrificing something along the way. Money or protection. No free lunch.Lighter IVs often come with compromises. The lightweight ones like Hesco 4800s and LTC 26310s are downright flimsy.>7.5lb in current year is the result of poor planning.Or being concerned with serious threats in the year 2026. Weren't we just hyping up hybrid-case 5.56 and 7.62 a few breads ago? Also, if you're actually buying Level IV because you're worried about reloaded M2AP, you need to be worried about it a lot faster than NIJ spec.A better plan is to have multiple sets of plates so you can go up or down based on the situation. Ideally three. less than overt, generalist, contingency.>Also 18lb is usually 2x 9lb steel plates when people are poverty postingWhich is actually pretty sad considering those 9lb steel plates are only good against M193 up to 2,800ft/s but select 7.5lb ceramics stop M2AP at 3,510ft/s. Hell, there are ceramics which stop .50 AP that are the same weight as those steel plates.
>>64953536>>64953549>M80a1>m855a1>HYBRID THREAT!Anons,The OP is larping as a social worker/emt, hes unlikely to encounter a hood 240 during his high sped narcan delivery missions.He could run around with pure poly if he wanted, there are heaps of special threat plates rated for greentip that are both cheap and light.
>>64953511>The difference is less than two loaded pmags.Yes, so now you are slower and have less ammo. There are situations where that might be a good tradeoff, but there are many where it would not. Especially considering those plates are only protecting a small part of your body from extraordinarily obscure threats like over-spec M2AP. If you're buying milsurp plates, you're clearly not in a line of work where you are ever likely to need plates. With that context, if you ever find yourself in a situation then you're not very likely to survive a round of vanilla m193 to the abdomen, shoulder, neck, head, or pelvis, so is most cases you're be much better off with more ammo or more mobility than with tougher plates.
>>64953511>Senior drill Sargeant mechanized infantry>Longest continuous combat environment deployment in American history >Dumbass private mentions "it's okay we have bullet proof armor">Sds snaps and corrects him "bullet resistant">Private I've seen more men dead wearing that vest than we got in this company>That plate will catch exactly one round from an AK, maybe>And your dumb lanky ass won't be getting up for an hour, if you're standing back up on your own>That second rounds ripping right through you and won't stop until it hits the back plate>If you get shot it doesn't matter what the fuck your wearing, you ain't fighting no more private>Don't fucking get shotThat's when I realized plates aren't insurance, there a one singular maybe get of jail free card. But if you don't got a battle buddy to drag you over to the fla or cover down while he radios in a medevac, you will be executed on the ground by the enemy while you're still trying to breathe through a broken rib. It's better to shoot and move than rely on "bullet resistant" platesThanks for reading my blog post
>>64953549It's the collar that makes it. Some nice silver fox would be nice.
>>64953569>A better plan is to have multiple sets of plates so you can go up or down based on the situation.Futureproofing.>there are heaps of special threat plates rated for greentip that are both cheap and light.Were you not saying that M855A1 is ideal for CONUS protection?>He could run around with pure poly if he wantedThese stop nuffin?>>64953583>Yes, so now you are slower and have less ammo.This isn't a video game where you have X points to put into ammo and X points to put into armor, or some kind of general inventory space. You keep the mags, you wear heavier plates, you're up less than two pounds. I'm reminded of that debate on here between a set of ESAPIs and a set of LTC 19513s months ago.If OPFOR is running steel-core .308 or above then your lightweight III+ or SRT plates are getting sailed through. Buffman was able to pop Militech RF2 plates with M2AP out of a .300 blackout, simulating massive standoff.>There are situations where that might be a good tradeoff, but there are many where it would not.Agreed. Mission dictates equipment. Nobody is saying to use the 7.5lb plates as generalists. Plates this heavy are contingency only.>Especially considering those plates are only protecting a small part of your body from extraordinarily obscure threats like over-spec M2AP.Not really obscure if there's like five major plates rated for it, two of them from cop shops so the threat is real enough at least to LEOs. Reloading M2AP but faster has been a veritable threat since the 1970s.>If you're buying milsurp plates, you're clearly not in a line of work where you are ever likely to need plates.Better to have and not need than need and not have.>most cases you're be much better off with more ammo or more mobility than with tougher platesAgreed, with the provisions above for if threats are higher.>>64953587>That plate will catch exactly 1 roundISAPO from 1996?>And your dumb lanky assJarvis, show him every guy getting shot in the plate video.
>>64953587>That second rounds ripping right through you and won't stop until it hits the back plate>then just bounce around inside like the deadly .22 rimefireHow horrible.
>>64953587Quality bait, I'll bite. Just off the top of my head.1. Guy getting shot with a .308 in the 1980s.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNOCOAXefDs2. Insurgent sniper shoots American soldier, he falls down but immediately gets back up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrdsrlMKFQA>That's when I realized plates aren't insuranceBut they are though.>But if you don't got a battle buddy to drag you over to the fla or cover down while he radios in a medevac, you will be executed on the ground by the enemy while you're still trying to breathe through a broken rib.Maybe the Russians are onto something with those CAP panels of theirs...>It's better to shoot and move than rely on "bullet resistant" platesI advise 360 no-scoping the thermal enemy sniper in a pile of trash you can't see down the street.
>>64953613yes i agree i'm going on ebay right now
>>64951494Anyways, to get back to this because the armor debate got way off topic, have you considered a pair of Hesco U210s? 4.1lb a plate, standalone, better than the X-CAL LP in every single way except price, $1,800 a pair.They piss over 44mm BFD versus 7.62x51mm M80 but handle M855A1 well. It's like 48mm versus 52-70mm for the X-CALs. Final weight is 8.2lb for the set, less than half what you're currently doing, versus 13.45lb for the X-CAL LPs A2 was really liking. Sides are 1.37lb a pop (can be hard to source) if you want those back in, so 10.94lb.If you can't swing that much, turn to the Hesco M210 or L211. I would not step down to the T212 (it hard-loses to 7.62x51 / 54 threats by virtue of a weaker backer) or the old L210 (same deal). T212 is a poorfag type street plate. The special threat plate market is kinda Hesco's bitch so that's why all of the above are Hescos.If you're a baller, step up to the VelSys PBZ-SA. Do note that all of the above will get demolished by steel-core .308 or 7.62x54R AP, so keep your 7.5lb business for contingency purposes.
Are Hescos the only /k/ approved plate
>>64918254Based>>64918176Can always just do the poorfag thing and epoxy some Home Depot tiles to the strike face
>>64918854You're a big guy
>>64953793Negative captain, see >>64917334. If I had to rank the manufacturers off the top of my head, it'd go like this.>TIER 1: DEAD NUTSTencate / Integris (perfect reputation, no recalls)>TIER 2: MOSTLY EXCELLENTBAE Systems, Ceradyne, Cercom, Safariland / Protech, Leading Technology Composites>TIER 3: GOODHesco (they have four models you should avoid and three you should exercise serious caution with, but are otherwise fine)>TIER 4: Everybody else.
>>64926388Checked, are the 1165 as bad as they say?
>>64932019>>64932057>(((Botach)))
>>64953846It's not horrible but has several issues.1. The plate is not actually 10x12. It is a nominal 9.5x11.5 with bottom corner cutouts so it has even less coverage. The difference sounds small, but when plates only cover a fraction of your body you need every bit you can get. It's fundamentally no different than Chinese plates running a foam cheat ring, except the ring is invisible.2. Zero drop protection. The plate has a crack arrestor but zero foam. They blocked Buffman from ANY drop testing on it. Like the 4SAS4 and other plates, if this is mishandled in the mail and not packaged appropriately it could cause issues.3. The risk of RMA's past quality control. See pic rel, the 1155 NIJ suspension, why none of their current ceramics are NIJ certified, and all the people on reddit complaining about plates with torn covers.If you make the 1165 SAPI M so the sizing is honest, it's basically a crappier Longfri 4SiCMH.
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>>64939430No Fedayeen helmet. 0/10
>>64953640I advise staying clear of Philly if you don’t wish to encounter trash snipers. Go birds.
