Are nuclear weapons really that bad? Everyone acts like they are going to cause the end of human civilization, but this seems exaggerated.
sovereignty is measured in megatons
Nuclear winter was a Soviet psyop designed to weaken Western resolve that boomer faggots lapped up. Most actual studies on nuclear winter show that radiation levels would be elevated for a couple of weeks and return to habitable levels.
they're more deadly now that the western world relies on say, the cloudflare or McMaster headquarters not being a pile of rubble
We should have nuked Moscow the same day Hitler escaped to South America.
>>64917561nuclear winter has nothing to do with radiation levels...
it's an exaggeration that's in everyone's interests to perpetuate
>>64917543Cobalt-60 and Iodine-131 are the main problem with using nukes, that and MAD.
>>64917543having weapons that wipe entire cities off the map and also have the potential to cause longer-term after effects with a ~45 minute travel time and a low chance to be intercepted does kind of seem ungentlemanly at the least
>>64917561Nuclear winter is fake, but nuclear winter was also about the skies blotting out the sun with smoke and dust, not radiation.
>>64917543End of civilization as we know it, not a permanent end to any kind of human civilization. Because everything is interlinked, a full collapse of supply chains would devastate both cities and countryside. Self-sustaining communities are extremely rare, starvation would be rampant, there would be a severe shortage of critical medicine supplies etc. The sheer amount of displaced people and struggle to find nutrition would require draconian control measures from any kind of authority trying to keep things from sliding into anarchy.The society would change to adjust, or if a collapse comes, something new rises up, but it would be terrible for everyone involved. Yes, even for that one board schizo who thinks that his life would continue normally while he keeps laughing at the millions of dead urban dwellers.
>>64917627NTA but you're right, and so is he.In order to trigger a nuclear winter you'd need to target forests with the intention of starting massive fires. It's not clear this would happen, and considered unlikely even if you were trying. If you targeted cities or enemy military installations there is basically zero chance it would happen unless you were intentionally trying (spacing nukes to not interfere with plume generation) and even then it's questionable at best.
Can you post the >I expect civilization to collapse within 5 years that's why I live in big city and have a tech careermem? I really like it last week.
>>64917543It's a dead meme's historical inertia. Today the standard nuclear arsenal of a superpower is about 1500 half-megaton nukes - and those are mostly tritium-boosted fission/thermonuclear designs. But at the height of the cold war in the 1970s when arsenal numbers had peaked, the standard arsenal was 20000+ nukes (due to the end of aerial delivery coinciding with the pre-MIRV icbm era) many of ten megatons and the tactical yields were often pure fission.You can see why fallout used to be considered a major thing. The people who were starting their careers in the 1960s imbibed the 1970s atmosphere as mature adults and carried it on unreflectingly all the way into the 1990s when it became obsolete.
>>64917857All of this has happened before and will happen again.
Nigga a mild flu that killed mostly old fucks and fatasses already fucked everything for years, and that's keeping all the physical and digital infrastructure intact. Even if we intercept 99% of nukes, a well placed shot in some key places and we're back to 70s tech because people are useless without internet.
I'd point out that everything was fucked because faggots cared rather than merely shrugging and accepting that the coof was going to kill twice as many vulnerable faggots as the flu and pneumonia usually did which amounts to fucking nothing. The coofening was either due to paranoia on the part of old fucks/jews in charge or a deliberate but failed attempt to push for more state control which fell through. The funny part was just how naked the politicization was. For the first four months it was only /pol/tards looking at the huge death tool coming out coming out of chinkland because they all have asthma and emphysema from the soup they breath as it is and said "Oh that could be bad, meanwhile libtards demanded we import more shitskins and anybody who said maybe we shouldn't be encouraging the immigration of illegal muds who might carry a potentially dangerous respiratory infection were doubleplusungood wacists. Then they did a complete 180 with the libtards becoming historonic about the coof and the usual lolbert suspects not complying with the libtard's social signaling faggotry sent them into a frenzy. At that point it was clear to everybody that this was really about social compliance(regardless of the source or motivation) and the battle lines were drawn. Actual racists like myself just laughed our asses off the whole time.
>>64917543"that bad" as in terms of ending civilization, certainly not"that bad" as in what you see currently in israel: even the most advanced interceptor systems will not be able to give 100% coverage. if every now and then a missile makes it through - no big deal with normal missiles. with nukes? that bad
>>64917543>Are nuclear weapons really that bad?yes, they are.It's best to think of it as a boom/weight problem, in other words an issue of rocketry.
>>64917560pff gigatons. You have no idea how many nukes I've dropped and I still have Ms Sol left.
>>64917543It's not that they'll end civilization, it's the breaches they cause and the denizens of the other side that will.
>>64917543With a single warhead it can wipe out a capital city which brings both economic and bureaucratic collapse
>>64917543You really have no idea how centralized modern civilization is if you don't think nukes pose an existential threat to it. Destroying one major port city and the national capital would completely throw any country into chaos due to logistical and governmental collapse. Hell, a coordinated non-nuclear ICBM strike on a couple of the largest cloudflare data centers would probably crash the US economy.
I certainly would not like to be in the vicinity of one going off.
>>64917997You say "standard arsenal" when talking about two countries ever
>>64917660>fear mongering lies are... le good actually!this is how you end up with spineless cowards that are unwilling to do anything about a belligerent murderous shithole like russia despite them being openly hostile to the rest of the world in the worst ways and using the worst methods.
>>64918579No reasonable adult is in favour of using nuclear weapons
>>64917543Their power and after-effects both tend to be heavily overstated, while people tend to overlook just how devastating conventional bombs can be. Nuclear war would be bad moreso because that means nations with that level of tech/development have opted to engage in total war rather than the specifics of the weapons involved.
>>64918584You voted for one. The bignoses are up for a fight any day. That commie wants a fight. Try voting for a reasonable adult.
>>64918584what is reasonable or adult about bending to nuclear blackmail because compulsive lying is engraved into your psyche under the guise of moralizing protectionism?
>>64918584>reasonable adultHow is this related to russia and their belligerent and outspoken attacks and brinkmanship?
Id be ok woth them being used desu. Just limit them to air bursts to minimize fallout.A few B61s airburst over Tehran would work
>>64918695What's reasonable about starting a nuclear war when your sovereignty isn't even at stake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk
>>64918715>What's reasonable about starting a nuclear warhow is pushing back against russian attacks and enroachment on national sovereignities equivalent to starting a nuclear war? why are you constantly trying to guilt trip people into committing treason against their countries to appease nuclear terrorists instead of holding them accountable?
>>64918695If you are in command of a state then you want people to remember you.How better than to have a war. That ginger twat and the russian one haven't nuked anything yet.Lets see who goes for it first.I'm less likely to go to the store today that one of those egomaniacs will pull the trigger.
>>64918746Are you asking how using nuclear weapons is equivalent to starting a nuclear war? Because we're talking about using nuclear weapons
>>64917857I’m more afraid of rocks
>>64918808But anon you ever think of using nukes to move the rocks?
>>64918796who's supposed to use nuclear weapons and why in your scenario?
>>64918796i'm asking why do you insist that not giving foreign nations free reign to do terrorism, subversion, infiltration and harassment because they posess nukes is equal to using nuclear weapons. is it hard to keep avoiding this question and hiding behind accusations of nuclear terrorism when your support of states that actively engage in exactly that behavior is questioned?
>>64917543"The end of human civilization" is probably an exaggeration. The arsenal sizes of the US and Russia make it seem plausible, but nukes and their delivery systems have huge inefficiencies in targeting, reliability and effect. That's the reason we ended up with massive arsenals in the first place; multiple nukes from multiple locations/methods tasked to the same target in order to surely destroy it in spite of malfunctions and counter-strikes taking bites out of your arsenal.The idea that there's enough nuclear firepower to end civilization is sort of like the idea that there's enough sarin gas to kill everyone in the world. If you could distribute it perfectly, maybe. The world is still a generally worse place for either of those things being used, though. I'm already having a bad time in a normal recession, a nuclear one would REALLY suck.
>>64918939Yes, but to move them INTO the Earth.
>>64918808Based knower, nukes are pussy shit. Worry about how the Earth is going to fuck us next.
>>64918957So you're not talking about nuclear weaponsDespite that being the explicit topicOK
>>64918998>yfw the sky turns a odd shade of green
>>64919002so you can't answer my question like a reasonable adult would, what does this say about your employers?
>>64919005Hit them with that Permian stare
>>64919045I’m going to be a bit more concerned that I can breathe
>>64917543I mean, one nuke=one city gone. I don't know what your definition of bad is, but that seems like it's going to put your country into an economic nosedive and stretch your emergency services out to nothing, disrupt your infrastructure for the foreseeable future.I have heard this argument that "nukes won't be that bad" before, and it always seems to be made by neurodivergent idiots without the ability to previsualise.Do you know what EMP is? Do you know what a firestorm is? Do you know what fallout is? Can you imagine what suddenly having thousands of burnt, sick, blinded and dying people does to a country? The US didn't exactly handle Covid or 9-11 very well, lose even a handful of cities, and get your power grid and communications knocked out, and the roads a blocked with cars that won't start, and the fires are still burning because the fire trucks won't start, and the pieces you need to repair the power stations are also destroyed because they weren't stored in a faraday cage, and the factories that could make more are also knocked out, and a year's crop of food is now covered in fallout, and you're like, well it's just a city, it's not that bad?Nukes maybe won't kill everyone at once, but a couple will turn a first world power into a third world shithole in a day.
>>64917543They're not quite as bad as they're usually depicted in the movies and whatnot, but they still give the country possessing them the capability to kill hundreds of millions of people in less than an hour. That's pretty bad.Also, if the incidental fallout isn't terrifying enough, keep in mind that you can deliberately increase it. Besides fancy ways like salted bombs, you can also just target nuclear power plants. They're hard targets, but not hard enough to take a direct hit from a nuke.
In a total nuclear exchange between NATO/Russia/China, casualties from direct blasts and supply chain collapse would be 50% minimum in the countries directly involved. Unaligned and unstruck countries would likely inherit global dominance after dealing with the economic fallout. Severe nuclear winter is extremely unlikely to happen, the economic damage is the main threat globally.
>>64919255>I mean, one nuke=one city gonethat's not even true, hop on nukemap. One nuke is more like destroy manhatten
>>64917543Not as bad as disinformation and LLMs
>>64919176>I can breatheThe Reverse Floyd. Are you a white woman without drug problems and a clean criminal record? Are you Mandela Floyd?
>>64919892No, but I have seen into another reality in and around Omaha
are EMPs real?
>>64921268No. Electromagnetism is a Jewish scam.
>>64921287I knew it!
>>64921268>>64921287>>64921314It was a real threat in the 1990s and early 00s. However it seems the grid has been strengthened to mitigate it, given the last two major solar storms had no real impact on the grid. So an EMP attack will likely not garner the civilization breakdown as depicted in fiction like one second after.
>>64917543It'll end human civilization if there is unchecked escalation but that's a given in all out warfare.
Definitely exaggerated.
>>64921268It'll probably fuck comms and detection in a large area for a short period.Still very useful.
>>64917543On a side note, France just announced its intention to increase its number of available warheads, with possible dissemination throughout UE states.
>>64921359Per se
>>64917543I mean it depends
>>64922342https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgspnpDDfJU
>>64922346https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SocZOkP8_qQ
>>64917543>Are nuclear weapons really that bad? Worse than you can imagine
>>64923115Not really.
>>64917543they're pretty cool if you ask me
>>64918544Doubtful. Thinking like that is what led the US to think it could crush Russia or North Korea with mere sanctions, yet their economies are still going strong.
>>64917543A single nuke hitting a single population center would be horrific in terms of loss of life. I don't see how anybody can deny this. A nuclear exchange is that many times over. What the fuck are you even asking?
>>64923436Most 'population centers' are cultureless, cyberpunk Gomorrah's, and the population that live there are hyper-focused on jobs that are useless outside of their own little bubble, if not outright made-up just to give women something to do other than have families. Loss of life in these areas isn't a grave concern because the populace is already treated as disposable cattle by the governments that actually benefit from their labor, that's why they concentrate them in areas most likely to get destroyed in case of emergency.
>>64923505I take some small comfort in knowing the AI powered government murder drones will be coming for your kind first.
>>64923513Ya just can't do the work I do with a robot, so I doubt it, ya sodomizing city slicker.
>>64923436there's a large % of people that think a nuclear exchange will turn the earth into a fallout game and become inhospitable for life
>>64919859You think the damage is restricted to the physical hole? Wew lad.I reiterate, what is fallout? What is a lethal shock wave? What is a half-life? What is a fire storm? What is EMP? What is light powerful enough to permanently blind you and start fires, and set alight anyone wearing black?You think that Manhattan will just cease to exist, and New Jersey will be fine? People in Jersey will be breathing the people in Manhattan.
>>64917543They're guns with bullets the size of large cities, and we're in a Mexican Standoff with every other nuclear-armed state.
>>64921268>tfw no EMP to permanently fry all data centers and turn the internet off forever One day...
>>64923505This, I take comfort knowing that no one would ever waste a nuke on my bumfuck nowhere city and state when California and NY exist
>>64923406Are you seriously trying to argue that russia and best korea's economies are configured in the same way as the American economy? You're trolling, right? And also, both of those countries are total shitholes for the average citizen. Also>russia's economy is going strongLMAO fuck off vatnik
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>>64921354What about over say somewhere like India?
>>64924504Given that the majority of their electrical grid has been built in only the last 20 years, there's a decent chance the important parts are reasonably safe. At the individual level, their villages and homes are wired up with the skill and quality of a cargo-cult helicopter idol. Plenty of villages in India where you turn your fan (the only electrical device you can reasonably expect to find in most Indian homes) by going outside and twisting one of the wires into the communal rats nest attached to the downed pole between the shacks. Meanwhile, 98% of Kolkata works in call centers (the remaining 2% in the restaurants surrounding the call centers), even a brief power outage there has similar effects to the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami.
>>64917543Tens of millions would be killed by the bombs. Billions would be killed by the starvation and local violence that would unfold as a result of the nukes.
>>64918579>to battle le murderous shithole we have to become the murderous shithole
>ctrl + f>"Minimum Residual Radiation">0/0goyim board
>>64921287>(((Maxwell)))
Basically nukes are the most efficient way of indiscriminately killing human populations en mass causing a chain reaction known as nuclear holocaust also known as "if I can't have nice things - neither can you"
>>64917543take a look at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. they are beautiful cities now
>>64925800What would the result on the noosphere be like?
>>64926591It turns into Nomoresphere.
>>64925859>nooooo, if you don't instantly bend to any and all demands of murderous shitholes you're just as bad and murderous
>>64925885>>64921287Jews are even trying to steal the work of a ScottishBVLL
>>64918998the earth's active core is the result of radioactive decay of uranium, so technically it's still nukes doing it
>>64923636You think nukemap just shows you the "physical hole"? Super wew lad.
>>64917543>Are nuclear weapons really that bad?There's worse things.
>>64921268>are EMPs real?Yeah. But the damage has been exaggerated. Starfush Prime test blew out a bunch of streetlights in Hawaii. But back then, streetlights were series circuits. The giant loop made an excellent antenna. Modern distribution circuits use twisted wire bundles. Much less susceptible.
>>64918584>No reasonable adult is in favour of using nuclear weapons"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."- George Bernard Shaw
>>64917543The great Ron White once described it perfectly. It's not THAT the wind is blowing, it's WHAT the wind is blowing. And the wind is blowing radioactive dust. And fire. And probably a few buildings got vaporized. Also there's like 50 more of them also hitting you from 50 different directions. If you're not super duper mega fucked, you'll die in a few years from thyroid cancer.
>>64917543In terms of environmental damage? Probably not, Nuclear Winters are not as terrible as most imagine it to be.In terms of removing a third if not two thirds of the population? Probably pretty bad, including all the wonders which come with it. It would lead to the collapse of supply chains(considering industrial centers are most likely to be hit just behind silos and population centers). No firestations, hospitals, so on and so forth, unless you are a literal hermit you are pretty much fucked.
>>64917816Mad is purely a theory. After all it requires so many things.>Leaders of government are willing to escalate all the way>Officers are willing to obey orders to escalate all the way>Subordinates are willing to not frag officers willing to escalate all the way
>>64917816>Iodine-131very short halflife, there are no cobalt salted bombs, airbursts are pretty clean
>>64933205>Mad is purely a theory.Mad has not existed sice the 80s when two sides with delivery systems had tens of thousands of nukes. Gone.
>>64925885"Robert Maxwell", Ghislaine's father, was born Ján Abraham Ludvik.
Nukes are a joke, call when you figure out AM.
>>64935441>call when you figure out AM.HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
>>64917543I don't think it would be the end of the world. It would 100% be the end of which ever two countries decides to send nukes at each other though.
>>64935607Not that AM, but still, it will com first.
>>64917543>Are nuclear weapons really that bad?Well...A single missile go through and an entire city disappear, if not a country.The radiation will last for decades, making Hiroshima look nothing more than a firecracker.If it happens, the enemy has nothing to defend or capitulate, they'll only care about exterminating your civilization.Plus you'll have a hard time justifying it as "self-defense" unless your enemy made that much damage to begin with.So yes, it is the earliest weapon to use to end human civilization. Outside of bioweapon, like a virus made to make everyone sterile.
>>64918746>>64918702>Hohol is assmad that we won't risk our own country just to nuke Russia for him.Your role in this is to keep Russia in a deadlock while we sweep up all of their allies and install Pax Americana 2, Electric Boogaloo. If you're a good enough vassal, we'll even rebuild your little country better than ever!
>>64918037>back to 70s techAnd that would be a good thing
>>64941023Agreed.
>>64921268No, but rogue black holes, planets, and stars are. Ones that travel near light speed too (relatively). And we'd simply be randomly suddenly gone with no knowledge of it. Or mere fractions of a second of awareness.
>>64941372Rogue planets will be definitely be a hell of a thing to contend with. Big and can't really miss it but there's not much you can do about it other than do a countdown until the inevitable collision that turns everything on this blue planet into ash. I can already see the religious nutcases saying it's an act of God because of our sins or something.
>>64917543Beria threw away hundreds if not thousands of good men just to get the bomb faster
>>64941479>be around for some 4 billion years, one third of current iterations existence.>not hit since our supposed twin Thera took it for the team not too long after we formed I think we’d be ok
>>64941479If that ever happens I hope I'm outside near the impact point when it does so my last experience can be watching the sky darken suddenly then a bright flash before I am reduced to atoms
>>64917543>are nukes really that bad?It depends. Tactical nukes have always been viable. The problem has always been strategic weapons. If a capitol city gets vaporized, the game-planning for that is a shit show. MAD neutralized that when the Soviets had their shit together. Since then, jeets and norks "apparently" have this shit and "supposedly" the means to deliver it. Who the fuck knows what the truth is about Pakistan's nuclear arsenal? Do you? North Korea? That shit is a perishable commodity that costs a shitload of money to maintain. Do I think Russia still has a viable strategic nuke threat? Fuck no. That place is regressing to the stone age. China? Maybe. Who cares, tho? Their power projection capability is trash, just like the others mentioned. The norks are a waste of time and energy. If the sorks can't counter their shit at this point, something has gone very wrong. And if muslim jeets want to nuke hindu jeets, nobody who isn't brown should give a shit.
>>64941524Beria the serial rapist? I find it hard to believe he would waste good men!
is iran having an incel-rage moment? like an incel meltdown?
>>64917543They are that bad.Nuclear detonations in cities or areas with mass combustible material will result in firestorms. The firestorms themselves will cook whoever survives the initial blast with super-heated air. The smoke from the firestorms rises into the stratosphere and blots out the sun for years. If enough firestorms erupt at the same time, e.g. in even a modest nuclear exchange, then this can depress crop yields for a decade or longer i.e. nuclear winter. The scale of a nuclear exchange obviously dictates the scale of the crop shortage, but a full exchange will completely eradicate the crop supply, and thus most plant, human, and animal life on the planet. Whoever survives would be catapulted back to the stone age.MAD or not doesn't really matter. Even if non-civilian structures are targeted, and nobody except military personnel dies in the blasts and firestorms, firestorms still happen and thus so does nuclear winter.Nuclear bunkers for the affluent do not matter. Bunkers may survive the initial blasts and have food to last the winter, but that food will be sought after by the starving population outside the bunker. Bunker security forces will only be able to hold out for so long against the hoard of starving people digging into it.We don't know what nuclear escalation looks like if even a single nuclear weapon is used, regardless of if it is on a civilian target or not. Large-scale "first strike" scenarios, the predominant US offensive nuclear strategy, almost certainly result in nuclear winter. "nuclear autumn" scenarios from a limited nuclear exchange will see increased international tensions during food shortages, likely leading to general war and a nuclear exchange anyway.Search for "Notes on Exterminism for the Twenty-First-Century Ecology and Peace Movements" for more info, especially related to the mass denial of firestorm theory by nuclear hawks.
>>64941919>MAD doesn't matterYou're a genuinely stupid person who should be locked up in an elementary level classroom and forced to learn something useful under lock and key.
The planet has suffered worse than the combined stockpile can endeavor
>>64942057>nickpicking out of context>mad OR NOTAs a different anon I'd argue you are the stupid one here.He explains that even without willingly targeting civilian population in any way, the result would quickly become no different than if destroying civilization was the goal.Which is specifically why the "MAD strategy" apply simply from using nuclear weapons.
>>64944292>the planetWe aren't worrying about the planet itself dumb ass nigga, we're talking about the survival of civilization or at the very least the human race.
>>64933205Please understand everyone would do it. Not for the lulz, but because:>I received an order, Befehl ist Befehl ja?>everyone else does it>everyone else would do it, I don't wanna be different>the red button is closer than the green one>etc, etc, etc, take your pickDon't have to take my word for it:>Milgram experiment>banality of evil demonstrated so many times already
>>64917543It wouldn't be 'ERMAGERD! APERCALIPS!' levels of destruction, but it would effectively put human civilisation back to square one in the countries that were bombed, and cause long term climate problems for the areas that weren't hit. That's assuming that everyone is being sensible and nobody is psychotic enough to aim the weapons with the goal of causing environmental damage, or use some of the nasty stuff (like salted bombs).
>>64946000We’ve been through FAR worse.
>>64946635What of those who want this because it’s a change?
>>64917543https://www.ippnw.org/humanitarian-impacts/nuclear-famine-climate-effects-of-regional-nuclear-war
>>64947176A change into what?Was Vista better than XP?
>>64917543hysteria is overblown. particularly by multi-gen urbanite soiboys that can't imagine a world without their walmart stocked up with the latest funko-pops It would be damaging to global shipping and manufacturing though for many years. As industrial centers need to be rebuilt and new trade dynamics established for real world ending power go look at the stats of the chicxulub impact event. Nooks, even the combined THEORETICAL arsenals of today are like a laughable wet fart compared to its pure potential energy unleashed by it. And that is a single extinction event while earth has experienced like four or five of them
>>64946000Human races survived the black plague. It will survive urbanite faggots getting atomized
>>64947301XP sp2 is peak Microsoft.
>>64947534Humans haven't foraged for themselves in centuries. When did you last make metal.A mass nuclear exchange will involve re- inventing everything from scratch.That's your problem not mine.
>>64941479>Big so is space. really, really, REALLY fucking big. so big that a rogue planet the size of jupiter can whizz by the solar system at less then 40 AU (neptune is 30 AU) and it will remain undetected. Its just so small and so dim they still cant find planet nine FFS despite its influence being all over the outer rim as for rocks slamming into earth I would be more concerned about seething fags lobbying roids on a impact course with earth for reasons. In the future when space industrialization has taken hold and commercial flight is easily available. NASAs DART experiment showed in practice it does not take much to make the pile of floating grabble change orbit
>>64947561oh fuck off you hysteric faggot. just because the city got bombed does not mean people suddenly forget basic know how. You can make a rudimentary steam engine in any old metal workshop that can service cars and has welding available This is not counting for salvage from scavenging and knowledge preserved in hard print like books. IRL states themselves would continue to exist and function in some form onwards as remaining parts of bureaucracy reorient themselves
>>64947587People in Texas die when it snows. Most car mechanics rely on dakka and odb2. Have fun eating each other.
>>64917543At this point I question if nukes are even real or if it’s all just another Jewish psyop. >only drop two “nukes” on the nips>lol. We only had two. Good thing they surrendered. We sure got lucky on that one>no more nukes detonated in war since>every nuke detonated that has been recorded on film could just have easily been faked.
>>64947626No they couldnt have been faked easily. Oppenheimer which came out a few years was incapable of reproducing even a semi believable nuclear explosion. Before Modern CGI it was impossible. O and fuck video, there are civilian available instruments you could use and were used to track detonations. Thinking Nukes arent real is on the same level as being a flat earther.
>>64947626There were two decades of parties in Nevada where people would go to watch the nukes being tested. Tens-of-thousands of people watched from what would later become the Vegas strip as Priscilla vaporized 700 pigs in one of the most iconic nuclear tests in history. Don't be a paranoid retard, anon, there are plenty of real conspiracies for you to froth over.
>>64947626meds
>>64918579It's good if you like peace. If you take the history of the world into context, the stability of peace between nuclear countries/blocs has been exceptional. War with Ukraine is bad, but without nukes or the cold war we probably would have had much bigger - and much bloodier - wars by now. MAD isn't a panacea, but it seems to be working well.If you care more about killing le bad guys than overall peace and prosperity for nuclear nations/blocs, obviously this argument won't land.
>>64947301This looks like a more interesting and exciting future…
>>64948231Than this.
Can we stop talking about nukes?it makes me nervous
>>64948286It’s the reason why the denial of them, cope. We are resilient.
>>64919255Everything else you said was fine, but if you wipe a city clean technically you don't need emergency services
>>64948611>Implying there will be no survivors from a nuclear bombingThen who were the niggas running around Hiroshima and Nagasaki few minutes after the explosions?
>>64948648I said clean anon, the outlying districts of both of those cities were not obliterated. Perfect example is the dude that survived both explosions and was inside city limits both times. Wiper her clean and there's no witness just a big hole and a lot of spicy air. Seems somewhat humane
>>64948695There were more injured than dead for both bombs.
>>64948747And this happened despite the fact that both cities were built of wood and paper like any traditional Japanese city at the time.
>>64917847>Nuclear winter is fake,it depends if the nukes are blown at ground level or well above it. if it is door #1 I am not sure a nuclear winter will not occur.
nukes are the midpoint of ww3
>>64947246Damn nuclear war is based af. We can depopulate India and Africa at the same time. Plus, I now know to buy corn futures in case of nuclear war.
>>64946997>long term climate problemsThe Tambora eruption was in the order of 30+ gigatons. (more than the worldwide nuclear arsenal by a large margin)Even that only affected the climate for a couple years.
>>64917543No, they're great. We should use them to put out forest fires and launch spacecraft into orbit. Cancer is for gays.
>>64947736best girl
>>64947736Yeah. And every single one of those people who had a good time during that period croaked from cancer. The entire cast and crew of The Conqueror croaked from cancer, including John Wayne. It's your turn to stop being a fucking retard.
>>64958567>The entire cast and crew of The Conqueror croaked from cancer, including John Wayne.Lie
>>64958567Sad that retards still repeat this shit. Cast & Crew of "The Conqueror": 41% incidence, 21% mortality. US lifetime average: 40-43% incidence, 19-23% mortality. There's no truth to the myth, it came from a People magazine article informed by Robert Pendleton. In that article (which he did not write), Pendleton said that the cancer rates among the cast and crew were higher than he'd expect, and confirmed that an uptick in cancer could potentially be linked back to nuclear fallout. Other people saw an article potentially linking the deaths of various famous actors to nuclear fallout and ran with the story, blowing it way out of proportion. Even shortly after there were plenty of qualified doctors saying that the cancer rates weren't actually unusual at all, it only looked unusual on a short scale. This was all 25 years after the movie, even the men who were young when it was made weren't young by the time it was even considered. So we're looking at lifetime cancer rates, and they're right inline with perfectly normal lifetime cancer rates. This bullshit was known to be false the day it was published, and still nearly 46 years later retards like you are repeating it.
>>64917543If humans ever use nuclear weapons again to kill eachother en masse, there will be an outside intervention.
>>64958672Oh good. A dimwit "correcting" another dimwit. There were a total of 220 people involved with making that film. 137 of them contracted diagnosed cancer. That's a whopping 62%, dipshit. That 21% you're quoting from your AI search died specifically of cancer, and nothing else. Every other diagnosed cancer victim croaked from complications of cancer. And none of the other 38% had autopsies, or even went to a doctor regularly, so who the fuck knows what actually killed them? At least three committed suicide and two others croaked in a car wreck. If you're going to pretend a 62% diagnosed cancer rate, with a huge number of specifically cancer mortality numbers, is business as usual, you're the idiot here sport.
>>64917997This.First of all, because there are more than two players now, no one can shoot all of them because they have to have something in reserve. Say you get 2,000 used in a short period of time.This is bad and millions of people will die but in proportion to something like the black death or mongol hordes in some places it wouldn't be much worse.I'm not saying I want there to be a nuclear war but mad max is not happening.It wouldn't shut down global trade. Are people going to forget how to make boats? Make steel?You might not have an iPhone for a long time again but I don't think we're talking about the way it was portrayed.Anyway there hasn't been a war where 3% of the global population was wiped out in 100 yeas which if more than you can say for the 100 years before that.
>>64959835Please stop using grok or whatever pajeet.
>>64958746Now I think we should do itJust put me and exactly enough other individuals to constitute "en masse" in the gobi desert and nuke usThen the rest can see the truth
>>64933205And then those officers watch the enemy officer who was willing to obey orders obliterate their counter strike capabilities and cities.
>>64933205If any nuclear ops people are reading this, I would definitely push the button if ordered. Not only that, I promise I would NOT push the button WITHOUT legitimate orders. Trace my IP and give me a call, I'd like a comfy bunker job.
>>64962272ICBMs are fake and gay. If it's not on a boat or a plane, I doubt it ever gets used.
>>64917543I don't think the big thermonuclear fusion type bombs were ever developed as a deliverable weapon system. Whether that be the size, long term stability or something else. They can certainly make a big boom but it can't feasibly be deployed in warfare. The old fission gun types are less of a stretch but there are conventional bombs and tactics more effective than a singular multi kt blast. Strategic targeting is more effective in every way.
I made a thread and asked the AI to crunch the numbers... apparently an Abrams tank could theoretically survive a hydrogen bomb blast that was 100m away
>>64918939I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE MY EYES...>>64933673He's talking about James Clark Maxwell.>>64941372Black Holes are fake mathematical constructs concocted to make relativity "work".>>64955147Kek
