How is 9mm throwing this "male's" hand into orbit with every shot?

>>64919337
Strongest wrists on /k/

Is m1934 safe?

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lmao

>>64919286
OP should learn to properly hold a handgun before posting.

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Recently picked up this Type 38 for pretty cheap, all matching # and has a dust cover and bore is still in shoot-able condition, what should I begin to learn about Arisakas, I know I'm going to have to learn loading for this caliber but any tips would be helpful

>>64921347
Very nice.
Are you wanting to do more Arisaka research cause you want to buy more? One of the biggest Arisaka knowledge things you can have going to a show or when buying is to be able to ID the difference between a purpose built mil-issue rifle and a school/training rifle.
Otherwise, learn to reload 6.5 although there is still plenty of Bannerman and Norma online.

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>>64921382
It's pretty simple to ID the actual military rifles. They always (well, 99."9%) have their model designation marked on the receiver ring.

>>64921347
You don't really have to trim 6.5 brass because of the chamber design.

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>>64921382
The gun shows here rarely have Japanese rifles, the only two I've seen were a sporterized arisaka, and a Type 18 rifle. I think what I should've written was the reload quirks as >>64921890 explains, as this would be my first rifle (among my 8mm) I would like to learn handloading, but I was seeing that some 38's on r*ddit had messed with the brass.

How is Bannerman and Norma 6.5 with the 38 other then the price being high?

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Going through some old pics to contribute to a slow thread.

Grandad's IBM carbine.
Not happy about the sanded stock, but it was his.
I also have his surplus colt 1911 and the associated paperwork from when he got it. He paid $17 shipped.

Do you guys have things left over from your grandparents?

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>>64922890
>have things left over from your grandparents?
Beard genetics and his WW2 medals. No guns unfortunately

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>>64922890
>Do you guys have things left over from your grandparents?
I have dad's dad's dogtags, discharge papers and his uniform from the USAAF, and mom's dad's copy of the Bluejacket's Manual from the USN. No fireams however.

>>64922890
From my one grandfather I have his officer's commissioning papers, flight log, and the navigational clock from his plane.

>>64922890
>Do you guys have things left over from your grandparents?
No, because in typical boomer fashion, they either sold it all to make a quick buck or moved to the other side of the country and refuse to talk to their kids and grandkids. Idc about valuables, but I'd love to have my great grandfathers ww2 medals. He was one of the survivors of the USS Indianapolis

>>64920022
Does anyone know?

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>See this on eBay of all places
Not going to lie, that's pretty baller.

>>64927480
neat

>>64923756
my great grandfather, his brother and his cousin were in the wehrmacht, i only have photocopies of paperwork related to medals and identification. both siblings were NCO equivalent, the cousin was in the condor legion.

>>64919286
gross thumbs

>>64927309
Everyone is a bot here

>>64927309
Are you talking about the Beretta M1934?

>>64933448
Yup

>>64933448
Generally, guns are considered to be dangerous and should be handled responsibly. I would assume the Beretta M1934 would be no different. So its probably safe as long as you do not do anything dangerous with it.

>>64921839
>>>/wsg/6104434

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Post surp pistols you're looking to pic up since OP couldn't make an engaging thread theme. I want a 1945 dated P.38 or an Imperial Luger.

>>64936872
I don't have any experience with them personally but they should be perfectly safe. They were produced for Germany once Italy switched sides and 1943 and continued to be made after the war. It's hard to fuck up a .380 blowback unless you're loading up Bubba's Pissin' Hot handloads in there.

>>64929673
>gross thumbs
It's just a skele teenager with his guns. Give him time, he'll fill out.

.t former 6'1 115lb skelington

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/msg/ is slow these days.

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>>64941497
Dont have much to post about rn really. I'll have another range build update after sunday tho.

>>64939803
I'm hoping to finally get a Webley self loader. Dunno why people say it looks ugly, plus it has autistic features like single round loading.

>>64939803
Sorry I meant is it safe to carry with one in chamber since it doesn't have drop safety or firing pin block and it ain't like makarov

>>64937926
It's never too late to stop being depressed

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>>64941497
The whole board is slow these days, the US is fighting a war with Iran right now and there’s still threads up from two weeks ago.

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>>64943298
The 4 years of war shilling drove away the gun folks. I made /o/ my home board for the last 3 years.
Now you've got tons of Iran war posts. Of which I can assume is Israel shilling the board since the American approval for the Iran conflict is so low.

>>64943003
I want one of those but they only come in either a piddly shit caliber or unobtainium

Anyone interested in buying a french M1945 helmet or finnish M38 gas mask? trying to sell shit

Is 400 a decent price for Yugo M24/47? I'm debating on picking up a matching one and selling my mix masterson 24/47.

>>64943298
As the other Anon said, it's not worth browsing the catalog with half the board is just gonna be war shilling or drone snuff films. Why endless snuff films and bait threads are allowed but threads discussing gun laws are banished to /pol/ is anyone's guess.

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>>64943003
IMO the WSL looks exactly how a 1900s automatic pistol would be expected to look. Rectangle on a rectangle with a tube sticking out.

>>64944895
$400 is fine for a matching one in good condition.

>>64941497
All of 4chan is slow. I don't post as much anymore since the captcha was turned to 11.
It still makes me wait 120 seconds once a day. I'll go to post something and then go fuck it nevermind.
I just sat here seething while waiting for that timer.

>you misstyped the captcha
FUCK OFF NOW I GOTTA WAIT AGAIN
>>64945743
Come on, You know why.

>>64946409
>>64945743
janny is a yuro who hangs out in the war tourist threads. look at how long racial slurs or leftypol or other rule breaking shit gets left up vs how quickly you get banned if you go into a war tourist thread and say wrong think about ukraine or make a thread about Germany restarting conscription

>>64941497
Dark times fren. I haven't got much to post about ever since finishing my Turkish Hotchkiss build. I went ahead and ordered an "Excellent" condition barrel from Apex just in case I actually get around to doing all the semi-auto build work once the smart people figure it out. The barrel that originally came with mine was pretty shot out.

Otherwise, the board is going to be pretty bad (pic related) for a while.

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>>64948906
Forgot to reattach pic after allowing the myriad of 3rd party scripts blocked by NoScript for the captcha. Fucks sake.

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Anybody know a source of parts for a M1912 Steyr Hahn? Somebody welded on my hammer and firing pin tryig to compensate for a weak hammer spring.

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>>64947454
>the peep on a 1903 would drive me insane being that far forward
Here we halved the aperture diameter, does that help?

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>>64949167
You may not use the Christmas Tree; that is the forbidden aperture.

>>64947444
You'd think the mods would've clamped down on a janny killing an entire board, but who even knows what goes on with the mods nowadays.

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>>64949447
>then why did they put it there?
God grants his greatest challenges to his strongest retards.

>>64949520
I dont think the mods give a shit about anything other than their home boards. there are a bunch of smaller boards that are complete ass due to the jannies. this has also allegedly been a problem for over a decade. there's some whole thing about dbz or toonami being on a specific boards because the /a/ janny refused to let people post about it on /a/ and m00t was fine with a janny refusing to allow specific content on his own board. hell, the /sp/ janny was a total fag for a while before he got fired back then

>>64950850
You used to get banned for posting about Naruto, one of the most popular anime, on /a/
We used to be able to discuss firearm legislation/politics on this board, it changed about the time that /pol/ overtook /b/ as the flagship board for 4chan. I get why they want to avoid /pol/ style discourse outside their containment board, but you’d think we should be able to discuss things that are pertinent to our hobby. Especially since the mods allow anime and video game threads here as long as they are gun/military related.

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stabby stab stab

the k11 is one if the few rifles that can be had for decent money
where literally everything screams quality to the last screw.
its build more massive than the k31
but not that of a pike pole/helbeard like the g11

>>64950970
the janny is fine with/pol/ threads as long as they aren't American. there's always a canada thread up and he let's lefty/pol/ shit hit the bump limit and get to page 9 before he deletes it

>>64950970
We can't discuss gun control because the tourists throw massive fits when they realize a bunch of gun autists aren't going to go along with red team blue team politics. If we had flags too like 90% of the politics shitposting would be from non Americans I'd wager and you'd see almost no American flags here saying anything positive about democrats. Back in the day it was simply an unspoken rule that we support the people that aren't going to grab our guns, now that every retarded normie gets slop politics thrown at them they can't handle realpolitik and demand you change your political views if a current event makes your views look bad momentarily or because you voted for a guy who isn't pro gun control you have to support everything else he does.

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>>64947444
what is a war tourist thread? ukraine realated? or any war of the day related?
why would anyone get banned for comment about german conscription? if thats true its pretty gay tho.

im from austria and i' ve served my time after hugh school. Jaegers.
if you dont wanna go to the army they send you as nurse aid to a hospital for terminally ill/old people or a mental asylum. be christmas in a snow trench behind an mg at 2500m above sea level or the morning diaper of a 90 year old,
conscription is the best thing to wash young guys heads and beat todays soft faggy couch potatoe shit out of them.

and:
MOARRR STABBY

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>>64951009
nigga im an amused european who:

is one if the few actually gun posting people left here, in opposite to yanks fantasizing about yuros fantasizing about your shitty parties or politics or i fucknot care what you read on pol

never post about shitty politics exept for the lulz or bants

doesnt care for mods, jannies or the nigger who teabagged your mum

has more and more rare and pristine guns than 95% of you little shits, esp. you and actually posts and discusses 'em here.

STABBY (and spaghetti).

>>64951009
Don't worry, republicans would ban all your guns tomorrow if they thought it would swing enough lefties to vote for them too. We are a year into the promised "golden era" and the only thing we got with house, senate, presidency, supreme court, popular vote control is a completely gutted hearing protection act (they apologized for not gutting it even more) and a free forever war.
No additional 2nd amendment rights legislation anywhere in sight. Numerous new states trying to pass CA tier control measures.
These people factually don't give a shit about preventing gun control. I'm tired of "losing less" every election cycle.

>>64951009
>aren't going to go along with red team blue team politics.
oh look, it's the /leftypol/ tranny who shits up threads with /leftypol/ lies.
>>64951068
>what is a war tourist thread? ukraine realated? or any war of the day related?
any war of the day related. but most are eastern yuro Ukraine war fags who get mad when you say you dont really care about a war on the other side of the world that doesnt affect anyone
>why would anyone get banned for comment about german conscription? if thats true its pretty gay tho.
I remember posting a thread about the germans announcing a conscription plan and getting banned in less than 5 mins, while half the board is ukraine shit and /leftypol/ threads are allowed to hit the bump limit
>>64951009
>If we had flags too like 90% of the politics shitposting would be from non Americans I'd wager and you'd see almost no American flags here saying anything positive about democrats.
this. it's also why most board will never have flags. most of the jannies arent American

>>64951146
and there it is, the no gunz eastern yuro /leftypol/ shill who is ignoring bruen and $0 tax stamps and the filibuster and how virginia is banning guns and how every gun control law was done by the dems

>>64951156
Don't worry, I'm sure your commander in jeet JD Vance will pull through for you in 2028

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why not hang all politicians then?

>>64951178
in minecraft of course

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I feel like if you bring /pol/ or janny shit into /msg/ you need to at least post a surp while doing so.

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>>64951190
nope. sa expats are the first ones who get fired or transferrred to shittier places here. they were only hired post covid during a rush. were in a recession now. thanks to non european genius poltitics btw.
t. infineon

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>>64951184
This. Every off topic post gets reported unless you post your surp along with it. Then I will follow your worldview

>>64951216
the head of the EU said they are finalizing some trade deal to allow more jeets in easier

>one of the slowest niche threads on /k/
>mind broken spergs invade and complain about mind broken spergs invading
pottery

>>64951245
The only one mindbroken is janny.

Lee Metford (or .303 autists) bros. Are there any special considerations on ammo for a Lee Metford or are they fine with modern commercial .303 brit?

>>64952213
Need a low temperature propellant. High NG double base powders have higher temps and will erode the fuck out of the rifling.

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Question:
en blocs/stripper clips is there a difference or an other term in English depending if it goes into the gun or not?

en bloc clips like the m95/garand/g88 style things that go into the mag are the one thing
but how would you call the swiss brown paper things which help to get the ammo quickly into the mag but stay outside?

in German there is Laderahmen (literally loading frame)
or Munitionspacket (from older literature, which would translate literally into ammo box but it means ammo bundle like in an en bloc). both go into the gun.
the swiss call their loading thing simply Lader (loader).

>>64952796
Clips and en-blocs go in the gun.
Stripper clips and chargers stay outside.

>>64952842
i thought soccer is a sports and american football is pig fattenig thru steroids?

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>>64943298
>>64946409
>>64948906
I don’t post or browse as much as I used to either. Maybe I’m just getting too old. Also part of it is I can’t just browse at work anymore since I switched jobs last year. Service around the facility is fine, but when I go into the main office building where my desk is I have no cell service, so I can’t even just browse when I’m bored at work.

>>64952681
Thats what I figured. A part of me wants to find a Lee-Metford but also reading about how shit the rifling durability was, its no wonder they switched to Enfield fairly quickly. I already have a CLLE so its kinda eh really.

>>64955928
If you reload it's easier. IMR3031 was specifically made to replace the Cordite and be gentler on the bore.
Nice that there's someone else with a CLLE. Mine was sporterised by a gunsmithing firm in London then spent most of its life shooting seals and moose in Newfoundland.

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>>64955974
Ive got 4895 and 4064 for other loads I do. Ive never considered reloading 303 yet since i have metric SHITTONS of PPU and greek leftovers.

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>>64922890
the Luger is my gramps sidearm from ww2, which he never fired in anger because he was a Luftwaffe bomber radio operator. after he got shrapnelled over England he was a supervisor for installing Radar stations.

the FN High power is from a cop whos a friend of my dad. he is one of the few non americans who got the american investigators award for solving an international industrial espinage case. it was the chinks, of course.

the medal is the hot shit.
its the massive gold Franz Josephs medal in of the highest (6th?) order.
Great gramp got it ww1 as one of the ca. 150 recipients from the Emperor (out of austria hungarys 45 million population back then). he was a field surgeon and sewed together countless men, and he invented a field hospital / portable x-ray device together with the Conrad Roentgen himself.

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>>64955988
A very handsome rifle.

>>64957041
>he invented a field hospital / portable x-ray device together with the Conrad Roentgen himself.
Very cool.

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>>64941497
which is a good thing.
because it means less ot spam
and more quality posts
because the board is full of tourist normies, miggers, lefties, thurdies and other non surp people these days

is your p14s disc hole doveled?
i only saw this on smles so far

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>>64922561
They work, but for 6.5x50sr and 7.7x58 you really just need to suck it up and start reloading to get truly good ammo at a good price. If you plan on getting more surps you’ll end up reloading anyways.

>>64947194
Very nice

>>64951168
Dont you have a /pol/slop thread to be squatting in retard?

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>>64957203
>i only saw this on smles so far
NTA, but part of the update to "Wheedon standard" for the P.14 was removing the unit marking disc, the long range dial sights and piling swivel. On mine you can just barely make out the two little dowels that hold the plug in place.

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I was gifted a Chilean Mauser by a family friend, and while I appreciate it, I really don't know shit about it. He said that it was German and used by Israelis, but that's pretty obviously not the case. He said that he shot a .308 out of it once, but when I tried loading a .308 into it, it didn't fit. It's marked with 7.62 N, so I'm assuming it should take a 7.62, do y'all have any recs on cartridges?

You guys always have such great places to shoot..

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>>64959668
They always look too short and cramped.

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>>64959668
Currently building my own. I'll have an updated pic this weekend. Although its snowing pretty good up there right now so the next pic may be more.....white

Anyone have experience with S&B .303 British? LCS has a bunch of both 180gr FMJ/SP and 150gr SP for $40 a box plus tax. I have seen poorer performance with S&B .30-06 compared to PPU .30-06 before so that is why I ask.

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>>64959007
The Chilean M95 conversion was done with a soldered-in chamber insert. Sometimes propellant gasses can erode the solder and cause the joint to open up and the inser to back out, causing headspace to shrink. There was a great cross section of a rifle suffering from this symptom on the old Dutchman Swede Mauser website, but the link seems dead now. Proceed with caution: wear your eyepro.

>>64959692
Looks nice.

>>64960163
Last S&B 303 I shot popped a primer in my SMLE Mk.III*. Never had it happen with Greek, British, South African, US commercial or PPU. I recall that S&B didn’t champfer the rear of the case rim like they are supposed to and so you can get rimlock easily. IDK if that’s still the case.

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>>64958524
nope, i have a hot 1,85m former volleyball player wife from Spain (visogoth), two adorable blonde, bright eyed daughters.
and of course many many very nice guns.
so baynes and faggotry arent my fields of interest as you may consider.

in opposite to you, who seems to be a frustaded person who ventilates his anger by insulting random people on the internet in a mongolian goat cheese board.
A person whon constantly fantasizes about homosexuality and homosexual practice.

let me guess:
no money
no wife
no kids
no friends
NO GUNS
closet homo
but a pinkish sun faded migger hat with dirt stains on it

maybe you dont know enough about Europe and what it contributed to guns, gun development and the wellbeing of the people:
In picrel you see german Mauser type rifles with the 98 action, which was copied in the Springfield 1903 rifle.
from top to bottom:
-haganah/idf czech production k98 in .308 (your masters rifle)
-bnz/Steyr no letter prefix SS contract, produced in the KZ Gusen/Mauthausen (a rifle used for the culling of your masters)
-ar 42 / Mauser Borsigwalde, all numbers matching, no postwar marks, pristine condition (you will never see or touch such a thing in real life)
-ax/Ermawerke russian capture (a rifle used in the culling of your beloved vattnigers)
-haer norge k98 in 30-06 (double aryan, eats ice bears)

-bayonet with the Heer/Infantry portepee is numbers matching with the ar 42
-bayonet in the far left is a bym stamped ultra rare one from Ferlach
-bayonet crossed over far left is non numbered came with the SS bnz

The Luger is an S/42 G stamped 1935 Mauser production.

now show me yours.
or go be a projecting faggot somewhere else.

>>64960163
im shooting s&b since ever
better than ppu
never had any issues
good brass for reloading, mostly

>>64959668
my range has a deep top open concrete trench right under the targets.
targets are on wooden frames which go up/down into the trench on a chain
so you can always drive out to the trench, walk below the target line and change your targets during life firing.
weekends when the range is busy, you get an idea of what trench warfare must be like:
shots fired, les than a second later impact over your head into the target/sandhill behind it band-dum!
mud rains down, when retards hit the wooden frames splinters fall down, sometimes the sandhills ooze bullets out and they drop into the trench.
always someone shouting over the earpro.

whenever i take friend to the range i wait till the shooting is intense to go with friend into the trench, the face expressions when the bullets go in and the earth is flying around are priceless.

>>64957332
nice

>>64919286
I was almost going to believe that webm. But then the shells disappeared from the revolver without any effort on the part of the shooter.

>>64961339
yep, weird at the end.
have we been fooled?

>>64961339
>the shells disappeared from the revolver without any effort on the part of the shooter.
They did not; they're clearly visible.

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>>64922890
Grandpa gave me his five-shot .38 snubby. Großonkel gave me a bunch of old photos of his relatives in their Heer uniforms during WW2. I will be getting some of my surrogate grandpa's items after he passes, he did three tours in Vietnam as a Force Recon Marine. I also got my Canadian great-grandpa's WW1 effects, see picrel. I'm thankful to have gotten anything cool from my grandparents, because plenty of shithead cousins and uncles could've pawned all this stuff off for booze money before I was born.

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>>64957041
Really cool pistols and the medal is pretty sweet with the story behind it. It's a shame so much history is lost behind most surps.

>>64961250
kudos on ironing your flag. hardly anyone seems to do that

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old model 10 I got for $10 outside of a collectors gun store

>>64968907
did you buy it from a crack addict? how did you get that for $10?

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range build update. It snowed. but not bad so I worked a little bit more on the deck. You can see the downrange and backstop a bit easier here, but I also need to bring down a few more trees. It comes out to about 103yards

Also will start scoping out where to start digging the trench/pillbox spot when the snow melts.

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>>64945920
>$400 is fine for a matching one in good condition.
Picked it up and it looks better than my first 24/47 in terms of condition. Plus it doesn't have have mix max parts like my first, dont ask me why it has M48 bolt that's how I got it. Now debating on selling my mix master or keeping it as shitter gun to fuck around with.
>>64973473
>range build update. It snowed.
Northern Minnesota or Wisconsin?

>>64973576
>Northern Minnesota or Wisconsin?
PNW. snows sometimes. Quite a lot at the higher elevations around here.

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>>64941497
I don't post here much anymore. Work takes too much of my time these days sadly.
>>64948906
>I haven't got much to post about ever since finishing my Turkish Hotchkiss build
I have plenty of spare parts for my kit since I got the armorer's box, if they figure out a semi-auto receiver I will spend good money to get mine built.
>>64959668
Living around public land is a true blessing.

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Can any autists please tell me if this german m43 field hat is original or a reproduction?

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>>64974815

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>>64974815
>>64974818
I dunno anything about hats, but my general retard rule of thumb is if something is supposedly 80+ years old and doesnt look like it, then its a repro when it comes to kit/clothing

>>64965581
the m95 is a rifle of such a simple elegance
esp. the longbois
if elves/eldar whould field firearms
the m95 would be it

>>64975769
>simple elegance
Have you ever shot/cycled one? They kind of suck. The bolts require quite a lot of force to cycle. If you load the en-bloc incorrectly and get rimlock it can warp the en-bloc in such a way that the bolt pushes the rim forward in such a way that the bullet sinks, causing the bolt to ram a bullet into the chamber and magazine. The nature of the magazine having no easily removable bottom makes the bullet nearly impossible to pry out without a screwdriver and it ruins the round.

The k31/k11 is a much more elegant straight pull. I love my m95, but she certainly has some problems.

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>>64976167
This. Although hes not wrong M95s are quite elegant, but not to the point of Space Elf Magic.
From a purely looks/functions standpoint, I would put forward the Lee Navy as a close contender or K31.

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>>64976232
>the Lee Navy
Does seem very much like an elven weapon in that in the hands of an expert it would be extremely capable (e.g. Dan Daly on the wall of the Foreign Legation) but too unusual and finicky for the average lunkhead to be trusted with.

>>64976260
>too unusual and finicky for the average lunkhead to be trusted with.
Fair but I feel like this WOULD be a mark of an elven weapon. perhaps not the finicky part though.
>posts a Ross
I feel like the Ross is not a bad option for elven straight pull. but it lacks the aethstetics part for me.

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>>64975769
I feel Elves would use something beautifully needlessly complicated but still amazing to shoot like a Mannlicher–Schönauer.

>>64976167
so you have fired the force matched slavshitted postwar refurbs. electropencil+laquered stock=bulgarian arsenal rework
numbers matching go smooth like glass, esp. the untouched 8x50R

>>64978517
touchè but the m95 is more slim, the schoenauer is a bit beefy for elve hands

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>>64976369
>but I feel like this WOULD be a mark of an elven weapon
Yes, that was exactly my intent. Someone mechanically-inclined or who actually RTFM and understands how/why the rifle works will have no problem, but the ones who can't be bothered to learn will break it. Pic related is also surprisingly lightweight and slim.

>>64919286
>misses every shot
Also, don't shoot at water. This is basic gun safety every 3rd grader knows.

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Begorrah!

>>64978981
>don't shoot at water
Wet hands typed this post

Does anyone know how much you can expect to pay for an SS contract BNZ K98?

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not surp but thematically on point, if only ppu would import more 7.92x33

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>>64978517
This
A Greek Mannlicher-Schonauer has been on my shortlist for a while, but life keeps getting in the way (and they aren’t easy to find). I suppose I could always get one of the commercial ones.

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>>64919286
>>64919337
>>64919391

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>>64979420
Very nice, I have one of those as well. The magazine spring is toast though, so I have to use a magazine from a different rifle to actually shoot it. Does anyone know how to get the follower and magazine spring out of the No1 magazine? I have yet to figure it out, the No4 and No5 mags are easy to get it out but not the earlier ones.

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>>64981326

>>64981289
Dutch Geweer an alternate option if you want smooth mannlicher turn-bolt.

>>64981227
I still need to put together my DK parts kit that I've had for 5 years.

>>64981345
I still need to put together my preproduction G3 kit, MP44 is definitely worth the effort however DK makes a nice gun.

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>>64981326
>Does anyone know how to get the follower and magazine spring out of the No1 magazine?
Which pattern of the No.1 magazine? If it's the earlier patterns with the pivoting feed lip then you just rotate that out of the way and the follower can come out. If it's the #4 with the fixed feed lips you have to tilt the follower so it can get past the feed lips.

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>>64981596
It’s one like pic related, no pivoting lips. Seems identical to my regular No1 Mk3 magazines (it might actually be one from a Mk3, since the Irish reworked these Mk1***s and added other Mk3 features. I’m on a work trip for a few weeks and don’t have the rifle with me so I can’t mess with it until I come home. But I know I tried rotating the follower annd pushing the ends down and it wasn’t happening. Maybe there’s a trick to it that I missed. I can remove the follower and spring from my No.4 and No.5 rifles without any issues. Maybe I’ll take pics when I get back if I can’t figure it out.

Milsurp I have:
US:
M1 Garand
M1917 (the bolt action, not the fun one)
M1903a3
M1897 rifle

Commonwealth:
SMLE No4 mk1
(sporterized) SMLE no1 mkIII* (first gun, was a gift at 16)
Ishapoo 2a1 (proofed for .308)

I have an AR15 equivalent of the M16 I can't afford a real one. I also can't afford a real select-fire M14. I guess I could get an M1A.

What do you guys think I should get next? The two that come to the top of my head would be a non-a3 m1903 or a Springfield trap door.

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>>64981694
That’s the final variation, should have a “4” stamped on the spine. You have to finagle it around to get it to come out but it will (probably instructions on Google somewhere) My Irish rifle also has the later mag.

>>64981766
>a non-a3 m1903 or a Springfield trap door.
Get after it: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1163278292

>>64981766
>M1897 rifle
a what?

>>64981876
a typo. 1896.

>>64981520
The parts I have are definitely high-quality. However, DK didn't make them. The kits were imported from Germany. Since the import ban, I don't know how much DK now does in-house.

I'm on the fence, though.
I might just sell the 44 kit and get in line for the next batch. Or, I might use the kit to make an MKB, seeing as how their MKBs will be really expensive.
I'm only in $3500 for the kit w/ barrel and reciever bending jig.

>>64981933
I was going to wait for the mkb, but my state is going stupid soon. Which is really unfortunate cause the MKB is my grail gun.
>use the kit to make an mkb
Youd either need the thicker MKB barrel or find a way to shim the mkb gas block and fsb on, should be doable though.

>>64981766
>What do you guys think I should get next?
is there a specific era or nation you'd want to start with?

>>64981766
You seem to like burger guns so why not try blackpowder stuff like a Springfield Trapdoor?

>>64981227
Kit guns are good enough to count as surp imo.

Did PPU shift their production to focus on more modern calibers because things keep happening?

>>64988188
>Did PPU shift their production
I haven't noticed a dip at my LGS or online really. They tend to release things in batches, typically 2x a year. So sometimes there is a noticeable drought and suddenly shit tons.

What's the going rate for a basic ass M1 Carbine? Assuming Inland or Winchester, not one of the rarer manufacturers.

>>64988558
Depending on how lead-poisoned the boomer, you pay the 'murica tax with Winchesters. But Inlands, Saginaws and others will usually run you 1k-1.3 depending on condition. Any M1 Carbine under 1k these days is a good deal assuming nothing is overtly wrong with it.

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Has a Type 97 ever gone for sale? I know a handful exist in the US.

>>64989555

Which one, the LMG or anti-tank rifle?

>>64989624
>Which one, the LMG or anti-tank rifle?
The sniper rifle, obviously.

>>64990154
Yea theres been a few. I think 2 were on Legacy at one point. Ive seen scopes in person before but never the rifles

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Not technically surp but I figured yall might like this 1914 I got.

>>64990894
Cute. There is a fun niche in 1900-30s semi auto pocket pistols.

>>64988188
It's not a kit gun either, all repro. I haven't seen a batch of PPU 7,92x33 in a long time. Purportedly RUAG was going to start doing batches, those have yet to materialize

>>64989555
>>64990154
If you are referencing the Type 38 based sniper rifle, I usually see 2 or 3 come up a year. you have to really look around.

Is this a place to ask questions about finding/caring for old rifles or should I just make a thread I'm finally in a place I can buy the cool shit my great grandad talked about and I wanna do it right.

>>64992154
What rifles we talking about? but also generally yes care, storage and maintenance are important especially when talking about stuff thats 80+ yers old

>>64992240
I'm looking for old WWI rifles. I am set to inherit my Great Grandfather's Gewehr and I'd personally like a Carcano 1891. There are none locally (unsurprising) but I found a few online. I know very little about proper rifle care though and I don't want to fuck them up.

>>64992265
its wood and steel. keep it in a temperature and moisture controlled environment and oil the metal once a year. keep the oil off the wood.
Carcanos basically come pre-abused so its unlikely you will do anything worse than the 80 years in africa most of them went through

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>>64992265
Then you are in the right place fren. How often do you shoot and hows your experience with that? Its going to depend on the condition of them in terms of how great grandpa kept them, if youll need to do any preventative maintenance or repairs.
But for bolt actions such as a Gewehr (im assuming 98) and a 91 carcano maintenance and post shooting cleanup is pretty simple. Bore cleanup will depend on the ammo you shoot, and minimal greasing and oiling on surfaces for moving parts/touch surfaces. In terms of complexity those two are very good starters

>>64992317
>How often do you shoot and hows your experience with that?
I will admit that I have very limited experience shooting. I haven't been allowed near my grandparent's rifles and until now I haven't really been in a position where I can afford one of my own.
Proper cleaning is one thing I'm curious about. I assume any old WWI/II rifle will come with a good layer of grime, is it recommended to try and keep it that way? I think it would be a fun project to properly clean and shine the old rifles.
>ammo you shoot
I have maybe 30 or so rounds for the Gewehr s I'll have to get some more there. From what I know Carcano needs something special though it doesn't look too expensive.

>>64992943
For cleaning, its going to depend on how the gun has been stored this whole time. Do you know if grandpa has been shooting it recently? do you have an idea of how he kept them? If he kept the Gewehr in good shape than you should be fine right out of the box, with the only maintenance being after shooting, with some oiling and a bore patch.

>From what I know Carcano needs something special though it doesn't look too expensive.
6.5 Carcano. You'll need clips for it too, but they are a patchwork of some work and some dont. compared to other surp calibers, it isnt too expensive.
>I haven't been allowed near my grandparent's rifles
genuinely curious about this one. Maybe a reason why you dont have good shooting experience. But we all started somewhere

>>64992943
As long as they aren't rusted through, a good scrubbing with a nylon brush and your preferred brand of gun oil/cleaner will be more than enough. Might want to scrub the bore as well.

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>>64990894
>>64991602
Some 1914 Mausers were actually inspected and used in the Imperial German Army, you can identify them by the tiny acceptance on the top of the slide.

>>64992265
If you're American you have two choices for WW1 rifles in the 1903 and 1917. I personally prefer the 1917 even though it isn't as American.

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>>64997126
US troops of the 27th and 30th Divisions fought with the Australian Corps and used SMLE Mk.IIIs in combat. Or if you're black you can get a Berthier Mle.07/15 as was used by the US Colored infantry regiments that fought under French command.

>>64997177
Wonder what was the strangest and most obscure use of a foreign rifle by the American armed forces.

>>65000624
During the opening stages of the Korean War there were many US soldiers that worked closely with RoK units. As an emergency measure, many of these RoK units were using rechambered Japanese Type 99 rifles. It is conceivable that during the absolute clusterfuck that was US logistics, loss of equipment to the advancing enemy, and scarcity of western equipment in general during this time that some US soldiers had to use these weapons.

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>>65000624
IDK about the strangest, but possibly the most obscure use is that of ~100 Brazilian Model 1894 Mauser rifles acquired by the US Navy with the emergency purchase of the Brazilian protected cruiser "Amazonas" in preparation for the Spanish-American War. It seems likely the Mausers remained on board ship during its wartime service because when the newly-christened "USS New Orleans" arrived in New York she received a shipment from Remington-UMC of 50,000 rounds of 7x57mm Mauser ammunition on stripper clips and 25,000 rounds of loose 7x57mm ball. After the war emergency ended and the ship's small arms were standardized on the more common USN 6mm M1895 Lee rifle the Mausers were presumably sold as surplus. Unfortunately the only picture from that period of the cruiser's service I can find where a small arm is visible shows a US Marine with the Lee rifle.

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>>65000624
Well are we talking stuff that was officially adopted or at least may have an acceptance or proof on it? or like battlefield pickups?

>>65000880
this would probably be a strong contender for something "officially" adopted. Could also say the absolute shit 30-06 Chauchats too.

Any of you guys gonna be at the Tulsa show a few weeks from now?

>>65001354
Funny thing is the Brazilian Mausers weren't the only 7x57mm rifles used by the USN during the Spanish-American War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqBth4i0UK4

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>>65001267
>rifle
Anon that's a shotgun.

>>65001398
Don't you if you're being sarcastic or not. PPSH41. I've seen some pics with Eotechs on them

>>65001408
>>65001398
heck of a shotgun

>>65001267
Iraq was like a surp lover's paradise, huh. Basically any time period or war waiting behind every corner. Too bad you couldn't take em home.

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>>64955849
aah nice a mas 36/51
mine is among my most accurate surp
even with bulk ppu
luv the grenade sight
luv the handle
STABBY ALWAYS ON BOARD
vive la france

does anybody have a korean rifle from the war in the hyperborean against the finns?
i only have these two from the holocene arctic campaign by the proto scandinavians.

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>>65003672
>Iraq was like a surp lover's paradise, huh.
Crossroads of the world.

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>>65004032
Don't forget about a whole shipping container full of STGs ending up in Syria.

>>65004113
Surprised there was no effort to rechamber them in x39, though I guess the sheer quantity of AKs already present didn't justify the effort.

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>>65006788
If 7.62x39 will fit in the mags and chamber then I’m sure they didn’t care about the freebore.

>>64919286
newfag here, whats a good site to lurk for police trade ins

>>64957219
Well what I plan on doing is getting one of those lee hand-loaders for starters with 8mm just to learn and get comfortable then move one to loading 6.5 and 7.7 if I get one (which I probably will)

>>64978981
Nigga, it is a puddle with a backstop. Do you walk around with a helmet, condom, and pool floaties on 'just in case' too?

>>65006943
I don't think you want a used P320 right now

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Going back out to finish more of the range tomorrow. Wanting to finish the roof framing and start mapping out the trench/pillbox
I will remember to bring a surp this time

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https://www.simpsonltd.com/products/C72726

Simpson's has a Spanish-Purchased Argie Mauser 1891 captured in the Spanish-American War and they don't know.

>>65009961
Are you actually gonna build a full trench pillbox larperator setup?

>>65000624
IIRC there was a US .30-06 Chauchat but that's not exactly a regular use rifle. I want to say the British owned some Arisakas for navy use pre WWII but that's not the US. Ian mentioned both IIRC; not the most obscure shit out there but it's the weirdest I know of. I'm sure there's something else I know of but that's about all I can think of. Ian (?) may have mentioned a single use of Mosins (or some other odd rifle) by the US, probably US made, but man that's such a fuzzy memory it could definitely be completely wrong. I want to say it was a video basically about this topic, a "there's no way grandpa remembered that right" exception to the rule. I wish I had that video title memorized.

>>65010486
The AEF North Russia were armed with US-made Mosins that had been sequestered during shipment by the British in England when the Bolshevik coup happened and Kerensky’s government fell.

>>65010486
The initial AEF in France used British ShtLEs.

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>>65010499
>The initial AEF in France used British ShtLEs.
For training, but in the line only the 27th and 30th Divisions fighting with the British had them.

>>65008964
Even a 320 cop killer edition is fine as a range toy just dont holster it/install a manual safety.

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How the hell do I get this thing in there

>>65011385
Clamp the spring to relieve the tension.

What would be best for that? Sorry if its a dumb question, I just dont want to break it

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>>65010435
Yes. Heres the progress from today. But only just started. Hit the clay layer so its going to be a "chip away at it while im up to other projects" kind of thing

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>>65011405
Do you have a thin needle-nose pliers? Wrap some tape around the jaws so it doesn't scratch the metal.

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>>65012611
Thank you, I dont but I will buy a pair tomorrow. Here is some surp to show my gratitude

>>65012601
The masculine urge to dig a hole is alive and well.

>>65012601
There was an anon a good while ago that dug a trench system for fun. Think he was in Oklahoma

>>64981174
Search on gunjoker for some recent (if any) completed sales

>>64943347
this

>>65012601
Goddamn man, living the larper's dream. Why not rent a mini excavator from a hardware store to dig it out really quick?

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>>65012601
We patiently await status updates on this. Very cool.

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>>65015690
Because I started building the range platform in the space where I would've driven a mini excavator in to dig the trench and I dont want to wreck it to get one in. So we're using hand tools as god intended.

>>65016060
Aww shit here we go again
Murder/rape trench

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>>65016060
How do you plan to manage the drainage?

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>>65018183
The plan is to pack a solid 3'' of drainage rock on the bottom and french drain out the side of the hill. The trench/MG nest sits on a hillside, so theres enough elevation to handle things +well above the water table. But the clay the way it is it wont make a huge difference. I'll be out there tomorrow, ill snap some pics and scribble on it to show the layout plan.

I dont have any more relevant pics so heres me threatening my turtles with a good time.

>>65018713
dont hurt em :(

Is there anyway to get 7.92x33mm kurz? I haven't seen any of it for sale in ages

>>65020353
Boxes drop online occasionally enough to keep an eye out. But they go FAST so you gotta be ontop of it

>>65020365
I figured it was something like that, I see some for like over 3.00 CPR on auction sites but I figured thats just resellers

I should probably go buy the 8mm kurz that's been sitting on my dealers shelf the last 10 years at $15 a box shouldn't i?

>>65020640
Yeah probably, PPU are the only people that make it and last I heard Serbs still aren't exporting shit

>>65020353
>>65020426
>>65020640
Got 1,000 bucks?
https://legacy-collectibles.com/400-rounds-of-east-german-8mm-kurz-ammo/

>>65020693
still outrageously overpriced imo, better start reloading

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>>64951068
ayyy my nigger

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>>65018713
>>65018183
So heres a quick sketch from a pic from today. The red box is where the MG nest/pillbox will go, the trench needs to still be dug along the red line route to its spot near that tree. Blue will be drainage direction

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Unless the bore on this M1903 is absolutely trashed someone got a good deal: https://hibid.com/lot/289738314/us-rock-island-arsenal-m1903-rifle--30-06

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>>65018713
I remember that thread.

>>65025031
Collectibles prices in general are crashing now cause iran war oil prices + jobs recession have finally caught up

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I hope you guys are doing well.

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Alright now I just need the gun

>>65027454
that will be 6k for your repro that you will have to be on a waitlist for, but I would just buy that all regardless

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Does anyone have any info (or resources) on this ammunition? I can't find any information about FN surplus ammo after 1940 and before 1950.

>>65030446
>monopod but no dust cover
Odd

>>65030617
If anyone knows it will be GPT

>>65030617
Why were so many old primers rounded like that instead of square like nowadays?

>>65027454
Could go the Khyber pass route and rechamber an AK. Hell of a lot cheaper and you (probably) won’t burst the barrel.

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>>65031790
I try to get only matching dust covers and Type 99 loooongs with matching covers are almost impossible to find. I guess so are ones with original monopods too, but not nearly as hard.

>>65034365
those last ditch rifles probably have all my cleaning rods melted in them

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How do y'all stay abreast of surplus deals and incoming shit rods? I pretty much rely on /msg/ and word of mouth before I hear about what's suddenly available. I missed out on the Portuguese 1904's a few years ago but managed to get one of the nicer M1937As.
Do I just need to sign up for Sweaty Ben's newsletters?

>>64981766
>Ishapore 2a1

How do you like it? I was thinking of getting one as I really like the look/satisfying chonky action on the enfields but it would be easier/cheaper to shoot the .308

>>65034529
>incoming shitrods
good one

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boomerhate general

>>65034674
cannot wait for the CMP to run out of guns and never be relevant ever again. Those guns were supposed to be for raising the next generation of enthusiasts

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>>65034674
>Boomer hate
I hate boomers. But I also know extremely based boomers, so I try not to instantly judge unless proven otherwise. That said, its pretty quick and easy to filter the based ones from the others so it isnt a huge chore. I am also at a point in my collection where it isnt dependent on shit boomers re-selling so theres that

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>>65034674
Boomers > Feds.

>>65034962
Jokes on you, they're building their own now.

>>65035124
and no one will buy them lmao. Its the most retarded value propositions ever

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>>65034674
>CMP
>>65034962
I don't blame the CMP, more so the boomers who buy their annual limit of (8) M1s per year and flip them at around 2.5x the cost, while also complaining about how "the younger generation is no longer interested in preserving history/2A". Its really a microcosm of that entire generation. I hope I can be a better custodian of the future than they were, but the bar is pretty low.

>>65034962
To be fair to the boomers at the CMP, younger generations are either interested in tricked out AR/Glock slop like in their vidya or giggle switched Glocks/Dracos like in their music.

>>65035205
>8 limit
the CMP was making so much money they raised it to 12 (twelve) per year. They have likely allowed some people to pull over 100 guns by now.

>>65035209
must be nice for them to waggle their finger at kids about their hobby while selling a $2000 fake garand. At that price you can get a really nice AR set up these days thats a million times better with zero hoops to jump through. kids aren't retarded or uninterested, they just know a bad deal when they see one. Thank you Eugene Stoner (PBUH)

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>>65035224
>12 (twelve) per year
fuck me. I remember on FB there were a few boomers who would post in various M1 groups who would have dozens of M1s in their collections. On the other hand, out of all of my friends who expressed interest in owning an M1, or who own an M1, I don't think a single one of them has ordered from the CMP, despite my assurance that it's a pretty easy process. Maybe I should have ordered more. I have ordered 3 M1s from the CMP, and have owned 3 via private sale before that (one I gave to my dad on his 50th, and I sold my .30-06 rack grade after I got a .308 expert).

>>65035229
I have a Garand from a non-ripoff private sale, and fuck going through the CMP. No I don't want to join a boomer club. It should be an immediate, no frills, sale straight to your door with no restrictions. Also anyone above the age of 50 should be banned, and if youre 25 or under, you get a discount.

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The M1 seems to be almost legendary for Boomers even when they sometimes don’t properly know what it is. I have had guys ask me if both my SMLE and No4 was a “Garand”, if a Mosin 1891 was a Garand, and a guy who brought his M1 to the range didn’t know what pic related was.

>>65036562
M1 Garand, hell of a shotgun

>>65035205
There is no reason someone would be buying more than one a year other than to resell them. It’s so dumb that the CMP allows this.

>>65037894
A lot of people were buying multiple so they could strip parts and assembly factory and drawing matching rifles.

>>65035668
>No I don't want to join a boomer club
the /k/lub is long dead, but that was the time to do it.

>>65034962
I got a service grade M1 for $750 back in 2019. The hoops they make you jump through are pretty dumb but I got a nice rifle mailed to my doorstep, so I can't complain.

My Carcano M91 finally came in, from what I can see it needs a lot of cleaning. The majority of the metal is covered in a layer of thick brown grime. What's the proper method of clearing it up? I plan on getting supplies tomorrow. I'll post pics when the sun is up so I can get better lighting.