MP5 anons,Has anyone tried the Kiro MP5 mags? They can be found for $30-$45 depending on where you look. They claim the mags are made to exact HK specs, but it's also from a tiny-hat company.
>>64943732looks like $35 on GBwhich is where I assume you took the screenshot from lol. I'd buy a couple and give them a shot (pun intended) for that priceI've had good luck with mora magazines tooway cheaper than most alternatives. there was a dude on GB selling them for like 26 bucks
I want a PCC badly but they're just memes. Maybe if I ever win the lotto.
>>64943702Anyone here shot the stribog 45a3? Was thinking about getting one.
>>64943702ty for giving me a uniform/kit idea for Ready or Not.
>>64943766$1k is too much?
>>64943881Not really, but whenever I think about buying something I just go "What if I spent that money on stuff for guns I already have"
>>64943766>Not buying at least a cheap MP5 clone while the gettings goodAre you a zoomer or something? If the import market gets cut off those are going to double in price in a year and you'll never be able to larp as SG1 or a pre 2000s special forces cool guy. Plus the ammos cheap and you can get them really quiet with a can
>>64943894The best thing you can do is buy more guns, not dogshit guns mind you, but guns that are worth buying. You can always buy other shit later for your existing guns. The best time to buy more guns is NOW when they are cheap, what happens when the dems get control of the federal Govt? What if they stop approving import permits for all that turkshit everyone loves? What if SP5/k cant be imported from Germany anymore? Within a year it would be a $5000+ gun and the $1000 clones would likely all double in value. Even 1895 Nagant revolvers which were once $99 guns some 13 years ago, now sell for around $500 on Gunbroker. $99 Mosins have a price floor around $400 now.Invest in guns that are cheap enough to buy now, but are no longer available. Military surplus in good condition is a perfect example. CMP 1911s are another good example. Its a 7 month wait to get one, but they are immediately worth $2k+ on the open market, so as soon as you get it, you're in the green by a deep margin.
>>64943702Posting kino.
>>64944101The most underrated gun I have ever bought and will never part with.
>>64943702At the time this happened I was pissed at the gov but the present day me is grateful they sent the little pepe back to Cooba.
>>64944101I like it.
>>64944101Kinda want one but apparently they only come in 16" and Beretta doesn't make shorter barrels. I guess I could always it it with a pipe cutter or something
A couple of my PCCs' all ready for the range tomorrow. Also have a MP5 clone as well but who doesn't these days.
>PCC>"Sub Gun"two completely different separate distinct things
>>64944728>thread is titled "PCC/Sub Gun">you make a useless post about their distinction even though the thread is for bothReading comprehension much, anon?
>>64944766>hurr durrBrainlet.>muh uselessPCCs are correct.
>>64944772>anon makes yet another useless postDo you want a pat on the head or something, goober?
>>64944793Back to boomerbook or wherever (You) "PCC/Sub Gun" came from
>>64944826
>>64944843Seriously why the fuck are you on 4chan?Go back to whatever arfboomer FBtard forum
I played too much Max Payne 3 when it came out.
>>64944728People like you are the reason we can't have nice futa/dickgirl threads anymore on /d/. Stop trying to argue semantics when I have an erection
>>64944871>'people like u'Who the fuck posts this onto /k/ :>Sub Gun
>>64944858see>>64944843
>>64944315Who made the foregrip for the uzi?
>>64943797No. Own the 9s and shot the ten. If you want it primarily suppressed do it. Get the barrel chopped and trilug it. Other wise get the 9s pdw or the ten if you want to knock plates off stands and personally piss me off.
>>64943928lol
>>64943732>>64943757What happened to the $20 South Korean mp5 magazines? Those were awesome and ran well. Hell even the Turkish mags were like $30 at some point. Did something happen to them all in the last three years?
>>64944101I'm thinking of lopping off the back stock and putting on a picatinny rail adapter to take a foldy.
>>64945115I can't remember. Bought it from RTG Parts 7 or 8 years ago now.
>>64945147How does yours function? I heard they have problems with the mags they ship with and people have to buy hk mags instead
>>64945559A shit load of AP5s were sold since then, and everyone wants 8+ mags.Supply gets depleted, and cost starts climbing.
>>64946002 I have 7 mags total; 20 round straight, thirty curved and one of the new opaque mags they use now. They have a problem with gold dot, and wont cycle gd 147 at all. Not an issue for me cause it runs ball and tui just fine. Never used the GO mags. My friend has the sp10 and it hiccups on cheap jhp a little. He has eight factory magazines and they run fine. Use critical duty if you're concerned about hp reliability.
>>64945559I just paid $50 for Turk MKE mags. And $80 for genuine HK53 mags.
>>64944178The government tried to stop the little communist from leaving the country. We actually had the OG MAGA movement fighting to keep some brown kid from being deported, because fuck Cuba, we want to keep your kids.
Thinking about getting a UMP45 clone or a Stribog 45
>>64943702What’s the best overall brace choice for an MP5K? Leaning toward the basic SB sidefolder, is there anything better that doesn’t cost like 3x as much?>inb4 get a stockNah, don’t want to deal with NFA bullshit
I like to look at FSB operators and see how they've configured their Vityaz. Wish someone would make spare parts stateside.
>>64948412Is there any actual footage of subguns in modern combat aside from photo ops and training exercises? Valgear’s recent anecdote of a squad mate choosing an 11.5 AR over a Skorpion EVO further reinforces my belief that pistol calibers are generally not well suited for the demands of modern combat outside of last ditch defense.
>>64948334Collapsible tailhook mod1c
>>64948412t zigger bastard invader
>>64949182Not surprising, especially when you consider the XM-177 was initially designated as a submachine gun, same with the Korean K1. If you think about it a little, short ARs are just the next evolution of the SMG and therefore supplant the traditional pistol caliber automatic rifle for most roles
>>64944101How is it so good bros? It just always works. I've had 5 different PCCs and this one keeps chugging along after 12 years
>>64943702
>>64949182It seems uncommon unless someone's in a support role. I've seen some photos of PP-19s in the middle east, but the vast majority of appearances are in training or photo ops.
>>64943702>>64950345There is a possibility that OP had absolutely no idea that he was posting the historical Elian Gonzalez incident. It's a possibility...
>>64950345>>64950754OP here.I knew what I was doing. Sorry, if it offended the browns.
>>64950754I thought it's just a funny image of a guy with an MP5 making a silly face. Am I supposed to know the lore of every image I see?t. Not OP
>>64951072No, you don't need to know the history of every image. However, that one is almost as historic as the Kyle Rittenhouse video.Eliean Gonzalez was this poor Cuban kid that managed to make it to Florida on barely functional raft (the very definition of a blockhopper). There was family waiting for him in Florida.However, after he succesfully made it to the states, his father, a piece of shit Cuban national in Cuba, raised a stink about his son running off to a foreign nation and sued for his son's return.He won.That little boy screaming in the pic was Elian Gonzalez. The man holding him was either an uncle or a cousin; still related by blood.The swat team is probably government level, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a municipality swat team thinking it was only a warrant. The lack of identifiable markings and the use of the MP5 are noticeable.
>>64951141>noo, not the poor cuban>don't send the kid back home to his own father! >everyone deserves to be in the US!
>>64952014NTA but you're a fucking clown. Miami is filled with Cuban diaspora that fled under Castro. They hate him so much that Florida had to pass an anti militia law due to so many expats training in the everglades to go back and off Castro. They are hard right. Clinton sent in the feds to kidnap that kid as an overt fuck you to those people. I would gladly trade 100 of you for one of them, squatter.
>>64952361Spoken like a true Latino.
>>64952361>NTAdoubtliterally one guy in the thread worked up about some Cuban commie from decades ago.
>>64951141>the lack of identifiable markingsAnon, I…
I'm all set to play with my MP5.
>>64952384>>64952375I live in Florida, am from Florida and was around when it happened. How about you spend a couple of minutes of your valuable time investing in not embarrassing yourselves and look it up.
>>64952446What's too look up?>brown washes up on shore>dad wants him back>send kid packingParents have a right to their kids. Illegals have a right to not be citizens.
>>64951141Elian himself wanted to go back and has since stated that he has no regrets about returning to Cuba. > I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a municipality swat team thinking it was only a warrantHow you gonna lecture other people on not knowing the history and say dopey shit like this? By the time of the raid, the whole fucking country knew who Elian was and the Fed in the picture was there because his uncle refused to hand the kid over.
>>64951141>Elian Gonzalez 6 years old>mother and boyfriend abscond with him on a shitty boat with a bunch of other people heading to the US without telling his father>father finds out, calls great uncle in states to look for them when they arrive>boat engine dies, storm floods boat, Elian is placed in a inner tube they were dragging behind as life rafts>everyone but Elian and a couple who swam to shore drowns>fishermen pick him up, give to US Coast Guard, and eventually he ends up with great uncle until the political wheels finish turning>great uncle refuses to give him up, political shitshow happens, INS Border Agents knock on door to get Elian back>no answer so they make entry>great uncle hides in closet and has AP friend snap photo>Elian returned to father>gets education in engineer, becomes father, is now a politican and states he never wanted to leave CubaThe end.
>>64943702Anyone have the Sovereign Development MPA Defender trigger? It apparently eliminates (or almost entirely) trigger slap.https://www.sovereigndev.com/shop/mpa-defender-trigger-124#attr=28I was curious about picking up a side-charging MPA defender to build as a "poor man's" TMP just for kicks
>>64952507>has since stated that he has no regrets about returning to Cuba.He's a communist party member now, you jackass. No shit he says he has no regrets now, he was thrust into the party line as soon as he made it back to Cuba
>>64954775and you think if he was an american today he would be an lgbtq latinos for trump? make the most of the life you're given
>>64954775Who are you to make that decision for him and his father? Who the fuck is a great uncle that can make that decision for him and his father?You act as if living in Cuba is the worst thing in the world. Is America a better place? Yes. Do people deserve a better life here? Fuck no. Post a gun or get the fuck out of this thread with your pointless spam.
>>64954904Communists are subhuman. They have no human rights. If the great uncle is an anti-communist and wants the boy to stay, and the father is a communist and wants the boy to go, one should always take the anti-communist’s side. That’s how western civilization would function were it not for the machinations of the Masonic global order.
>>64943702>MP5 with streamlight forend>skateboard helmet>removing browns while the country cheered you onThe 90s were peak American civilization.
>>64955968Agreed, all down hill from there.
k or no
>>64955731Based
>>64943702>Fuck yourself with shit toy guns goy!Fuck off glownigger, SHALL
>>64956069No or both.
>>64955731Too bad most of America disagreed with you at the time... and even now.All this effort by you for a kid literally nobody cares about. Except maybe the dirty browns living in America.
>>64956217Doesn’t matter. Neither communists, nor their enablers, can be allowed to live. Don’t care how long it takes. The world will be purged of global communism once and for all.
>>64956296Good luck with that.
>>64954763Why cover the suppressor?>>64943702>>64954904Is that Sam Altman on picrel lmao
>>64954795>and you think if he was an american today he would be an lgbtq latinos for trump?He'd be among his constituent Cubans in Florida where they by and large detest communism and would be thankful that his mother risked her life to give him a better one>>64954904>defending his communist faggot father chimping out and suing to have him kidnapped to be forced to live under communism againlmao>You act as if living in Cuba is the worst thing in the world. Yeah, it's only a step above mud huts in Africa and on the same level as the shanties in Venezuela. You should kill yourself you faggot
>>64956574>Why cover the suppressor?It gets hot, when you dump a hot load into a "freedom fighter"
>>64947273If the stribog 45 was cheaper I’d get it. Costs almost as much as a ump clone to get set up
>>64943702Ruger needs to make this in 45.
>>64943702Elian GonzalesThat poor fuckin' kid
>>64956666Flordia has enough Latinos, good thing the kid was sent back
>sell my G19 G.5 because poor>FFW some time later, get cash but not mew Glonk cash>get great deal on full size Echelon, somehow not upside-down on it>have holster have mags>yey.wav>want a PCC to match because things look more sketchy where I am now and I want mag compatibility just in case>no PCCs take Echelon mags, let alone Springfield PCCs>their Victor takes fucking Colt mags, not even Glock mags, because [?????]>ok maybe I'll just PDW it-->options are Roni (no), CAA (HELL no), and Heighth Defense (dumb brace design that gets in the way of proper grip, dumb mag holder design that will drop mag if you magwell-grip it, as in how you're fucking supposed to)>Tyrant CNC frame "Coming soon!" as of a year ago with only a YT short to its nameGuess I'll go fuck myself. Everyone and their dog makes a P365 or P320 chassis despite those pistols being basically dead outside of holdout owners, but everyone else eats ass? What is this bullshit?
>>64957018Why is it so hard to have multiple sets of mags?
>>64959121It's simple:>i don wanna>also it fucks with my 'tism having different mags for my PCC and sidearm
>>64956960
>>64959142You'd hate my collection.
>>64956971The called him elian the alien on the national news and I being 10 years old and having recently seen men in black.. i thought the kid was a legit alien from outer space and thought thats what the controversy was
>>64943702My current toy>>64944101Honestly, based as fuck. Love space guns
>>64959539Nah it's all good. I just think that a modern PCC is best utilized when used in conjunction with a sidearm that utilizes the same mags. It's basically the modern extension of the Old West "lever carbine and six-gun sharing the same ammo" loadout. It also eliminates a potential fumble in trying to jam non-compatible mags into your empty gun. At least, it would for me.
>>64960670>current larp setup
>>64959142Based modern cowboy setup.
>>64944101Cylons hate it
Krus got these kits in the other day. He priced them too low and the mini uzis too high, but they'll make a hilarious if useless smg when rebuilt. I grabbed one before they went out of stock
>>64956316If the journalist photographer was there in the room beforehand,what was the point of robovest hut-hut-hut?
>>64943702I miss the good old days when SWAT members got to tacticool their own gear and you could get units strapping Leon the Professional shootout gear when on an assignment. I just miss the aestheti/k/s....
Is it a terrible pleb move to get an AP5 instead of an SP5? Or are you overpaying for a rollmark if you get the HK? Love HK but it’s literally 2x or more in price
>>64969229Get the AP5 and never worry about it again
>>64969235This.>>64969229You sleep well knowing that an AP5 is closer to the OG than a SP5.
VZ61 stamp was approved this morning.
>>64956960It's so ugly
>>64967132Nice! Speaking of parts kits I just ordered a UMP .40 kit that I plan on building with a S5 Tactical receiver in the near future.
>>64969229>>64969235Thanks for the reassurance bros. I keep seeing horror stories about bad quality control on the AP5-P (the variant I want). Hopefully I don’t get a lemon.
>>64971178They've been in production for 4 years. There's been revisions.Akso, It was a full-auto gun that was modified to be semi-auto for the US market. Most of the issues they had was specifically with those modifications.
>>64971204I thought they were the same as what Zenith used to import, no? The MKE semi-only variants?
>>64969293What stock plate is that and how is it better/worse than the Czech Point one?
>>64960892are you single anon? and do you mind penis
>>64971178The guns are fine now. All the QC was from the first batch and it's old spec extractor springs/ejectors and the tri lug not being at the 12°clock.All the new guns have an FRT block.
>>64971221Seriously? Gross. AS Designs has a lower designed for the AP5, does that take care of the issue?
>>64971216It's basically a czech point one with an extension on the bottom. It helps stabilize the stock.
>>64971341I prefer it over the czech point adapter. A guy on akfiles sells them. Would like to have a dovetail receiver.
>>64971265Unsure. Both of my MKE guns predate this.Pic related. They extend this reinforcing tab further to prevent trips. Idk how effective it is. I only found out about it because a buddy who bought one ended up having to dremel out a space for his trip. I'm trying to get his after photo for you.
>>64971361Tbh I know the Czech Point solution has a little bit of play but I never found it annoying if youre shooting it properly. But that is an interesting solution. Might have to test it for myself.
>>64971208I think they are getting MKE confused with MAC? I would definitely go with MKE.
>>64971370Here is the new block. It extends further down and forward from the rest of the receiver.
>>64971442Side profile. He ended cutting a huge U shape in the middle to get his trip to work. You can just cut the whole thing out if you really wanted to, this is just an extension of the full auto block.
this seems about perfect in 7x25mmI'd add a folding front grip that could also hold a spare clipwith stock folded or maybe G3 style slider, this gun could be hip or shoulder holster carried like an XL pistol.
What’s the best PCC that takes Glock mags?
>>64971446Thanks for the pics. Hope I don’t have to cut anything, I’ll be pissed if AS is falsely claiming compatibility with the AP5.
>>64971475G40 with 9" 9x25 Dillon barrel, and folding front grip that holds spare 30 clip, with sliding stock.
Whats a reliable pcc under 800 I can drop an FRT into? Wanted to get a Gforce blade but Ive seen tons of reviews of shit just breaking like the charge handle or stock hinge
I hope all of you get aids and die
>>64974004real shit?
>>64972351PCCs are retarded just buy an AK
>>64974507>just buy an AKOk.
>>64974605
>>64974605well none of you gaylords are giveing him suggestions, might as steer him straight instead of being a gearqueer
>>64971217>are you single anon?Yeah but rethink your shot there anon, my guns are attractive, not me.
>be brazilian cop>get a Taurus CTT40>used to wield a MP5 or a G36C>"but this is the new default for police forces">as bulky as a carbine>but shoots .40 S&W aka the most retarded caliber ever made>every single corner is as sharp as a razor blade>it will continually try to get the trigger wrapped on whatever you are wearing>one of them in my unit is already known as the "pump action ctt40"For fucks sake.
>>64977263That thing looks like it's trying to be a UMP but also with a SCAR stock mildly smoothed for less snag points. However the stock, exposed picatinny, and sharp edged stamped knockoff of an UZI (?) mag looks like it'd like to grab your shirt all day.
>>64971384>mp5 on the bottomwhat the fuck am i looking at
>>64954763Anyone make an FRT for these guys?
>>64978221Problem?
>>64974878I was just fucking with the anon replying that PCCs are retarded in a PCC thread.>>64972351Aren't Turk/Paki MP5s like $900? They are or were surprisingly cheap as of like 2 months ago and can be FRT'd except >>64971442 which doesn't do anything except require more work. Also might need the AR trigger lower. Dunno. Yes more than $800 but barely. Biggest downside is lack of pic rail short of a welded model or putting a claw mount on.
>>64978221HK experimented with a handguard like that and it became the base model reference of the mp5k in Black Ops. Which a few people have started making repros of.
>>64971265my hk has been fine so far other than the fitment slop, which is disappointing
>>64983216Do you mean slop in the interface with the AS lower, or what?
>>64983412yeah the factory lower housing has perfect lockup, the AS lower is like PSA tier slop
>>64983445Dang, I wonder if there’s a good solution for it. Different pins maybe?
Bump
>>64970242Picked up the receiver from my FFL today and submitted a Form 1. Rest of the parts should arrive by the weekend.
>>64987550Keep me posted on this if the thread stays alive. I've been interested in building a UMP45 off one of those.
>>64949801I wish the board culture would go back to normal
>>64983216>>64983445Man that's weird. I have an ASD lower on my AP5SD (HTA did the conversion), and it fits like a glove with zero wobble or movement.
>>64987550I'm curious if the U.S. made parts kits have gotten better in terms of quality, I know they initially had some issues.I bought one of the Omega UMP receivers when they first came out and back then they didn't have complete builds or the GSG9 kits yet so I put mine together using USC and UMP parts.It's honestly been a great gun, but I did have an initial issue with the receiver where the pin that the lower hinges on started walking out on me.
Looks like B&T USA is imploding on themselves because they haven't been paying B&T AG in Switzerland for imported products and now B&T AG is terminating their licensing agreement and they're throwing lawsuits at each other left and right.Starting to make sense why B&T USA hasn't been able to keep shit in stock lately.So if you want a B&T PCC or suppressor you may want to get it now if it's in stock, since I have a feeling their stuff will be hard to get for a while.
>>64991128Oh shit should I get a B&T SBRS suppressor before they go extinct?
>>64991128>tfw my suppressor is in for repair with themAAAAAAAAAA
>>64991296If you really want one, yeah you probably should.The whole thing is kind of a giant mess since from the sounds of it B&T AG still wants to sell to the U.S. Market, but B&T USA went rogue and started doing shit like manufacturing their 3D printed Inconel suppressors for other companies like PSA's Sabre line.Apparently one of the main people involved with B&T USA was also involved with the Larry Vickers case where they illegally imported Machine Guns by abusing the law letter system and the sketchy HD-18 SVD imports.
Switzerland also just announced a halt to arms exports to the US so yeah, you may want to get something if you've been on the fence about it.
>>64991538Well shit. I was trying to decide between the Tisha, Rhodie 6 and the B&T SRBS inconel suppressor for my 11.5” MCX.Now idk
>>64988158Will do. Got the USC lower and mags today and the parts kit should be here on Saturday. >>64991076Anecdotally it seems 45 kits are pretty squared away while 9mm kits seem give the most trouble. My guess is because the USC was around making it much easier to clone the parts compared to the harder to find (in the US) legit HK UMP 9mm parts. My receiver serial number is in the 200s so finding any durability information on them is challenging. People seem to care more about the G36 receivers S5 Tactical makes.>>64991128Thankfully, I got most of the HK accessories B&T makes already. Just ordered the B&T flash hider for the UMP though just incase.
>>64991459Oh shit. I hope its not another AAC/Remington situation.
>>64991737You do know that the USC lower only works with single stack USC magazines, right?The same goes for the SL8 which uses single stack mags instead of G36 mags.
>>64991767Yes, I am fully aware. The USC is donating its guts to a legit UMP lower included in the demilled kit I purchased.
>>64991737Page 10 bump with the demilled kit finally showed up in the mail. I also have an old SB Tactical brace for the MP5 that should fit until the Form 1 gets approved. I'll have to mod the bolt to fit the receiver as well but thats no biggie. Everything looks to be there and it even included an optic rail and one handguard rail as a bonus.
I enjoy my KP9. I nee to take her out more though
>>64996021Got most of the receiver populated for today. Getting the bolt to fit took some time to get right since I was going full Bubba with a dremel and a grinding wheel. Probably hold off on installing a brace and see if the Form 1 will get approved by the end of the month. Tomorrow I'll start the swapping over the trigger group and widening the hooks on the lower to fit the receiver.
>>64996260It's such a fun little gun.
>>64996580Based project anon, thanks for sharing and best of luck to you
>>64998588Thanks. I got it all together now but the safety is sloppy and doesn't have a real positive click when selecting safe/fire. Everything looks good so I dunno whats wrong with it. I'll have to hit the HKpro forums and see if there is an answer.
>>64999480Last blog update. Figured out what was wrong with the safety: one part was flipped the wrong way. Fixed that and the cocking handle spring (Jesus Christ! Fighting small springs sucks) so now everything should be right. Figured I'd show the ugly billboard side of the receiver this time. Stock is just set in without the roll pin for the pic, still waiting on the ATF's approval.
>>65001924>one part was flipped the wrong way.Detent and spring?
>>65001924Neat
>>65003172Yeah, the "index plate" was turned the wrong way. The instructions I followed said it faces left when it actually faces right. Once I kinda understood how everything in the FCG interfaces it was easy to find the culprit.
>>64944315I want to molest that Uzi
>>65006201Its a nice shooter and comfy with the wooden stock. I just ran it with 124gr NATO spec stuff so far after the SBR conversion but next time its out I'll load up 150gr subs and my 9mm can.
>>64951141>No one dies>Its the tragedy of the century.
Bottom line is I want an mp5.Problem is, I only buy the best of the best, so I’m relegated to the HK brand HK Sp5.The delima, is that this is the first time I’ve ever been concerned over “shooting a gun out”.If I’m paying THAT much for a pcc, and 9mm being as plentiful and affordable as it is, I could easily put 2-3k rounds through it a year and now with the possibility of an frt, this increases the wear ever more (due to volume of fire). So after 10 years, is it pretty much a wrap for that gun?Could an sp5 be reasonably upkept beyond 30k rounds and am I downplaying the durability/longevity of these guns?
>>65009119NASA has an MP5 that had over 500,000 documented rounds through it. They did have to change springs and rollers and other small components, but it kept chugging. I wouldn't sweat magdumping through an SP5.
>>64954763I've been curious about that trigger too. I'd love a MPA or VMAC carbine, but the one that I've tried had trigger slap that was really annoying. The form factor is great, imo.
Alright, finally finished with turning the cheap as shit Ruger 57 into something more fun and I'm not paying double to have a Ruger 57 carbine.Got my Ruger 57 chassis set to go. Doesn't require taking the Ruger 57 apart and use the top optic holes to attach the charging handle. Three printed parts if not using front mag holder and one for front mag holder. Slide catch - slide release works. Four rails at front, one along top back, and one on back of chassis. Configurable as braced pistol or SBR it if did your free paperwork. Plenty of options.
>>65009119Read this thread. Its from the owner of Battlefield Vegas, they run a full auto rental range.https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/My-experiences-with-high-round-count-HK-s-and-HK-clones/9-476802/
>>65009656That's absolutely baller my man
>>65010306Thanks. The Ruger 57 I had was just collecting dust. I wanted a 5.7 carbine but wasn't going to dish out for another gun when I had a Ruger 57 just collecting dust.I'm surprised out how well it turned out and how much fun it was to shoot at range. It was like shooting a 22 lr rifle with a stock and front mag holder. Very little recoil, very little muzzle climb. Dumped like 100 rounds rapid fire and ran around doing drills with it for another 200. Front mag holder is friction based and didn't fall out and light enough a tug dislodges it easily.Weight is 3.2 pounds with all the accessories and two loaded mags attached to it. Half as much as an empty LC Carbine.I'll probably drop build video and range video of it later on YouTube. Waiting for a $25 polymer airsoft folding stock to get here to see if it's better than the 3d printed folding stock. It's on odysee under @luvs2spwge at moment. Calling it the lilz mp57Might hack off the end of my Beretta cx4 storm carbine and make a rail adapter for rear stock.
>>64943797Have one. Is excellent. I can recommend krobros review on YT if you want a non-shill take of how the gun actually is to shoot IRL. The only downside is it's heavier (and more front heavy) than the Vector or Dissent which are its two main competitors. Eats my ++P 300gr loads (which batter my 1911s) with no issue.
>>65011357>I'll probably drop build video and range videoPlease link if you do.>>65011413>krobros >bog fan so i click>portly>just basically fucking around jawboning and contaminating soil for yucks>no useful info>elevated levels of zestyHey bud spend a little less time on your coif and editing and a lot more time on your presentation and physique. Bantz and shooting are good though.
>>64944871I can’t decide if this is really gay or based
>>65010193>mags all generally work>but HK lasts longest>they all get reasonable lifespan and reliability otherwise>mags (site says 25rd mags) get loaded 50-60x/day>mags see on average 1,250-1,500 rounds a dayNTA but holy shit. I remember reading his post about AKs; it was a big factor in my purchase of a WASR. Only thing that killed them is like any other stamped gun where they'd crack just as fast as they got welded back together at a certain point. Back on the MP5 side, him of all people saying that for the most part both POF and MKE work fine with no real complaints except for one batch of rollers is a nice data point, too.
Hope these count. Openbolt euro spec semi autos. Papasha sucks at everything except the actual shooting, Sudayev is very nice to live with, but the folding stock is retarded and it's neither as pleasant nor as accurate to shoot as the PPSh.7,62 Tok is a pretty good PCC cartridge - that zippy bullet with little drop lets you push the effective range noticeably further out than a 9 Luger.
>take a peek at .22lr suppressors today at my lgs>the guy behind the counter mentions that the rxd22ti that im looking at is also rated for 5.7mm>now i have the urge to get a ps90, sbr it, and use it as a can host
>>65016067After shooting my Ruger 57 pistol in carbine form, fucking do it. If it's anything similar, it's going to be shooting a 22lr that decided to yeet itself out like usain bolt and have zero recoil and zero muzzle climb. I fucking want to get a Ruger 57 threaded barrel and get a suppressor as my next purchase.
>>65011357About to chop the stock off the Beretta cx4 storm carbine to make a 3d print stock adapter for it. Will even make a cutting jig. Checking defdist first to see if anything already there.
>>64977263Policia Civil? Dunno what state you are in the Police units in RJ seem to do operations with just about anything they can seize during raids. There was one guy using an m16A2 on ghost lower in the CV battle last October. Have you had any experience with the FAMAE SMGs?
>>64991128>another critical infrastructure FFL/manufacturer/importer run into the ground by pants on head retarded? self-embezzling management, also based in Forida (Jews?)It's almost like the gun industry has been purposefully infiltrated
>>65016245Making progress on a jig for cutting the rear stock off evenly. Then making a drilling jig to put machine nuts into the cut off section to jb weld in and then the adapter will be easy as shit.Going to be so easy, even a retard should be able to do it.Got some g80 Glock monolithic receivers on order. Going to make some custom g80 shells. Need some absolute retarded ideas for designs.
>>65018265Consider heat set inserts over JB Weld. Mentions of experimenting with bead blasting the exterior of the insert and higher temps/longer heat exposure for better bonding of the plastic in the comments as well. Though I guess it's hollow so fuck.youtube.com/watch?v=B5g7R53hcH4
>>65019917That's a good idea. I'll see what the back of the cx4 storm looks like when I get it looped off. Few more dimensions tweaking for the cutting jig.I did order some m5 heat set short inserts. Can always heatset and jb weld the fuckers in.
>>65020516While I wait for next round of half a cutting jig to print, found this hello kitty Glock print this anon was using. Making something similar for g80 frame. Need to figure out how to do an image across the back strap in AutoCAD fusion. Last bit I'm stuck on.
>>65016067I wish PewScience would hurry the fuck up with the new suppressors that came out recently. I'm curious what the RXDs can do.
MP7 sisters, are we excited about the SP7? HK webstore has MP7 parts 15% now if you want to grab your back plate and stock and other things. Brownell's also has mags on sale now. I wouldn't be surprised if these parts are hard to source during the release. If it comes out in 2026 I'd be ecstatic, but realistically, I think 2027 is more likely Who knows though.
>>65023541I'm done giving HK money. I'll wait for one of the US clones.
>>64949182I think in any active combat situation you’d want a rifle caliber. I do see one very valid use of a PCC and that’s home defense. I love my KP9, it’s short for hallways and around corners. Have a light mounted and a red dot and won’t go completely deaf from firing a rifle round. Besides I worry about over penetration and with a 9mm hollow point it’s less. When I get a suppressor it will be that much better. Outside of that I don’t see it beyond a range toy.
>>64950754Nobody gives a shit but Cubans and nobody gives a shit about Cubans.
>>65023602Why?
>>64983216Did the adaptive grip require any sanding to fit on the ASD lower?
>>65023541>will likely be expensive as fuck>chambered in a rare caliberNo thanks. I'll grab an airsoft MP7 if I wanted to fiddle around with one. It'd be Good Enough™ for me.>>65022481Guntubers need to get off their ass and test how it works with .22WMR and 5.7x28mm guns. A lightweight suppressor for 5.7mm that I can also use with .22LR and .22WMR would be awesome.
>>65019917>>65020516Well fuck. Cx4 storm stock is hollow. Jb weld to the rescue.
>>65023795Nta, but probably because HK only steps up to the plate after a competitor does, and charges x2 or x3 more.The MP7 has existed for 25 years. Only now does HK bring it to the US market.Same with the MP5s. The SP5 on sale now was introduced in 2019. They also cucked it a little with the trigger pack pin.Don't get me started on their dumb fuck .22 versions.
>>64943702FPC any good? Wish they has a .45 but ill settle for the 10mm or .40 if they can handle spicy loads
>>65023795HKfags will chimp out and cope but>will be $5000+ for a gun that should have been on the market 15 years ago>chambered in a cartridge that even the guys who are issued it lambast it>aforementioned cartridge will be even more expensive than 5.7 simply because it will not be a popular gun to own until kel-tec decides to smoke meth and make a gun chambered in itit's far more likely that MKE will somehow drum up a clone of it that's <$3,000 while remaining 1:1 to it. overall it's just not worth it for a meme gun popularized by HL2. it will only be bought by anons or other autists, that also own a USP Match to complement it, and never have more than 500 rounds through it
>>65024494>The MP7 has existed for 25 years. Only now does HK bring it to the US marketAfter trying previously, and getting shut down by the German government. >>65024621>price is estimated to be 2500, in line with a more expensive to import civilian legal variant of the SMG that's readily available for LE in the 2200 range>ammo is about .60 cents per round and readily available in bulkOH HOW EXPENSIVE AND UNATTAINABLE I BETTER BUY SOME TURKISH SLOP INSTEADI fucking hate whiners. Oh no, HK finally made the effort to bring a neat gun to the US market. How horrible of them.
>>65024861People LOVE complaining about HK as if the company personally insulted their mother. Idgi.I checked Ammo Seek this weekend and 4.6 was about 70 cpr or less shipped. That's lower than I was expecting. It's about the same price or less than 5.56 77gr OTM, and nobody gets bent out of shape over that stuff, so go figure.As we saw with the Tommy Built T7, the gun isn't easy to clone. His T7 was an abject failure that drove him out of business. The T7 also cost a ton. If cheap clones were so easy for brownoids to pump out, then why haven't they ever done so? I wouldn't be surprised if PSA or Kel-Tec introduce a 4.6 gun after the SP7 drops, but an MP7 clone they will not be.The fact that HK is actually working to deliver this is an absolute solid for the fans. This gun isn't exactly practical for anything. It's not going to win anyone over anyone for any use case beyond HK fans who just think it's neat.If someone doesn't want one, then they don't have to buy one, but seething about HK bringing one to market just reeks of poverty cope desu.
>>65025385Tommy built is gone? Holy fuck I haven't been paying attention to stuff in a bit. Last I saw Kalashnikov USA was gone. This week I learned BandYlT on way out and Tommy built already gone
>>65024621>far more likely that MKE will somehow drum up a cloneWhat sort of mental illness is this? MKE aren't some HK cloning geniuses or something, they can only do the roller guns because HK built all the tooling for them and taught them how to build them back in the 70s or whatever. They're about as likely to make an mp7 clone as Taurus or tanfoglio are
>>65025807Add on they are licensed to manufacture the roller delayed. They got their data packets and everything from HK. These are also limited to the designs purchased at the time, none of any of the HK tweaks and improvements since then. Quick checks shows nobody else licensed to manufacture the MP7
>>65024278Back plate done and rail adapter finished. Just waiting for everything to set and then sand down. Cx4 Storm carbine now has a folder.
>>65024861>finallyFreudian slip?
I'm always conflicted on whether or not I should bother with a suppressor for my P90. I definitely don't miss having a giant heavy thing sticking out the from after having it un-SBR'ed from 2018 to 2023 and it seems like your choices are a shitty Keymo brake, a shitty CMMG adapter known for not being properly aligned, a GSL device meant for their old ass P90 suppressor with a whopping total of 3 baffles and a B&T thing that you can no longer get given the situation with B&T USA. Seems like you have to get some big and heavy high volume 5.56 can or you'll issues and I'm sure it won't play very well with the new FRT. I dunno, I like my Rugged Obsidian 9 on my MP5s but I think I'll be leaving the P90 just with the normal flash hider
>>65027108How about I give you this Freudian tip?
>>65025385I'm glad HK is finally bringing a civilian MP7 stateside, but I'm not willing to spend an absurd amount of money on a PCC that fires a proprietary cartridge you can only get for more than 66 CPR online. If it's around $1k I'd pick one up, but at SP5 prices (which H&K will probably do)? No. I'd grab a PS90, a lot of 50-round mags for it, and three cases of 5.7mm for that much.
>all this 5.7 talkSomebody talk me out of this crazy bullshit
>>65027443Get it. 5.7 carbines are absolute tits.>>65025987K this finished a lot faster than I expected. Need to purdy it up a little more then I'm good. Dropping files on odysee for this too. Running out of shit to work on while waiting for the Hotchkiss receivers to reweld.
>>65027146Is it just purified Belgian autism why they won't make these in 9x19? I can see mag capacity being less but I'd still buy one if it wasn't proprietary in every aspect
>>65027583>Hotchkiss receiversHotchkiss the foldy SMG, or Hotchkiss the WWI machinegun? Or, God forbid, Hotchkiss the quick-firing anti-torpedo boat 2 pounder naval gun?
>>65027416>PCC that fires a proprietary cartridge you can only get for more than 66 CPR online.59 cpr, and that will likely fall once the market realizes there's more demand, similar to 5.7>If it's around $1k I'd pick one upA legit select fire MP7 is around 2200 and up for law enforcement. Even a USP is around 1k new. Acting like you *would* buy one but *only* if they were 1k is a cop out, and you know it. The PS90 is available now anon. Live your dreams.
>>64943732No idea but a metal body, Israeli made MP5 mag? Probably fine. They have a lifetime warranty against defects, FWIWBattlefield Vegas has a lot of info on MP5 reliability and with the exception of first gen KCI mags they reported that mags all performed the same only that HK ones would last longer. Keep in mind these guys were renting MP5s days in and out for people to rip 30 rounds full auto all day long. They would rebuild MP5s every two months or so due to trunnions getting beat out of place. Keep in mind that takes at least 300,000 rounds to do that.
>>64952014Sadly Cuban expats tend to be 100x better than the blue-hairs born here. I'd be down for trades if we could do such a thing, I'm sure they'd be okay with it too.Also, FWIW, we had "Wet Foot, Dry Foot" policy at the time, meaning if you got here from Cuba you were allowed to apply for residency.>Obama ended this literally a week before Trump took office>Probably butthurt because 54% American-Cubans voted TrumpIn any case, this was a huge matter of Clinton cucking to Castro and then the beloved Mr. Janet Reno, known for liberating children with extreme violence (see; Waco), had a SWAT team take him away despite the best interests of literally everybody in America.
>>64943702I love my cx4 just god I wish the irons didn't make using a prism terrible. What is a good optic for this?
>>64944101Based cx4 fren. Bought one the day they discontinued. Only rifle I one and I wish I had more time to shoot it.
>>65029136Has to be a prism or a red dot fine?
>>65028071The WW1 clipped one. Going to try and have a belt conversion for one. If it's just feed tray and cover mods, I have two extras of both and will have both swappable between clipazine and belts
>>65029348Red dot that is better than the Rd-50 I use. I have the budget red dot on it since the prism is useless due to eye relief. This doesn't work well with prisms.
>>65029400Sig Romeo 5 what I'm running on mine here >>65027583 still budget but shake awake.
>>65030789That isn't really an upgrade except for the shake awake. My biggest issue with this cheap optic is the need for a lot of blue locktite to keep it on.
>>65030843>Not a big upgrade>My biggest issue with this cheap optic is the need for a lot of blue locktite to keep it on.Might just be me, but getting any optic that does not fall off would be a big upgrade at. Got to be a bitch never knowing if it kept zero next time it's out or chasing your zero.
>>65031257I bought it because someone specifically used it on the cx4 on youtube and it is the same price as the lowest end romeo. It has held zero but only when doused in a lot of locktite blue. 1 screw mount sucks andnI don't necessarily trust or like using so much locktite though. I'd just prefer to spend above 120 to around 200 on a replacement.
>>64943835>Ready or NotIs it any good? Gameplay videos kinda gives me SWAT 4 vibes and I loved this game so much. Been waiting for the price to drop a little.
>>65031962That price range a sig or holosun will be fine. Check aimsurplus for LEO trade in red dots. Can get some pretty nifty stuff for like $150-200. I think I got a few sig Romeo 4t for like $175
I want to buy a .40sw cx4 and rebarrel for .357sigWith how cheap the .40 models are I'm tempted but sourcing the barrel seems like a pain.
>>65027798P90 mags only work with straight walled cases
>>65032592Out of production. Used orices could be more than the 800 dollar nsrp when new.
>>65032724The concept works fine with tapered cases, you just can't make 50-round magazines with straight walls if they're full of tapered cases.
>>65032016NTA but I enjoy it a lot with friends, the partner AI when playing by yourself is totally garbage and they still get stuck on doors and will stand there saying they’re going to do something, and not doing it. While they’re getting magdumped in the face. Very frustrating, but the levels, guns, and general gameplay are good, there’s some odd choices in the weapon selection though.
>>65032957Just looking at the mag, you either loose out on a ton of capacity for the sake of compactness(think single stackish) or magazines become even weirder to manipulate and fit more 9mm. Not to mention the overhaul the gun itself would have to go through to accommodate 9mm.We're glazing over a lot stuff here to simplify this concept. It's a lot bigger than just tapered bullets.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWmAypSAdFl/chat is this real?
>>65033457It's a Japanese airsoft hi cap.If you didn't talk so much like a faggot and had enough braincells to use Google you would have known this.
Here's the Zulu Nylon P90 sling, replacing the Urban ERT sling. Took me an hour to figure out how to attach it and now I feel like a retard but it's pretty nice and doesn't have annoying plastic buckles or block you from opening the stock for cleaning
>>65033597>airsoft guns with bracesWhy
>>65033900cargo cult. they see americans posting real guns with them and thought they looked cool. also when the armbrace ruling originally happened this companies dumped all of their products in foreign countries for cheap
I wish I hadn't waited so long to purchase an AP5-P. Used to be able to buy them for $900-$1000 pretty much any day of the week, now they're $1300 everywhere, and that's when they're actually in stock. To top it off, the mags just keep getting more expensive.Big time "you snooze, you lose" energy from me right now.
I want a UMP. Is there anything wrong with getting one of the 100% US made clones from S5 or the like? They can be had for a little over $2k, shipped now.Meanwhile """German made""" tranny UMP conversions cost a little under $5k, require me to source multiple parts (including a complete USC), get an FFL to ship everything to an in-network doctor who specializes in sub-gun transitions, only to then have to wait weeks/months for the UMP-confirmation surgery (which hopefully is a success/doesn't have complications that requite revision surgeries). All this just to get it to say """real""" HK stuff on it.It seems like HK boomers are willing to pay 2.5x to go down crazy rabbit holes to source shit and jump through more hoops just so they can transition into a """real""" UMP. Meanwhile the US made clones seem like they know what they are and are very straightforward and approachable.Am I missing something here? If the performance is the same from each, then it seems like a US clone is the right choice for me. The HK boomerhons can go full-retard post-op. I just want to look cute and be functional.
>>65034677I got my AP5P and a bunch of mags at the right time. Great gun super fun to shoot. I missed the cheap mosins, K31s and what still hurts me to this day was the cheap vepr 12s :((((( On a local gun classified I missed out on a 1k spas 12 cause I was a brokey at the time.
>>65034796I'm still going to buy one despite the increase in price. I looked into all the short 9mm PCC options and the MP5K is still the the best option out there, as far as I can tell. The manual of arms is outdated, but other options have issues that the MP5K doesn't have, while being *at least* as expensive as the Turk gun.Kind of a shame I can't just buy an AP5-P upper, since I'm going to get a complete ASD lower for it anyway. That's not cheap either :(
>>65034826Wait for them to go on sale at Atlantic. You can get one for about $1k or a little more and they go on sale like every 6 weeks, just sign up for Atlantic's emails if you haven't already. Also wait for AS Designs to release the ARHK of you don't want to pay for the full lower replacement. The ARHK wll be their drop in FRT for HK roller guns. They don't give forward-facing release dates, but it sounds like they're close to completing testing. I suspect it'll drop in the next 2 months.https://x.com/s3igu2/status/2019552723612627286
I've ungabungaed my way into putting an AR together but I'm a total newfag to PCCs. As far as mp5 clones go, what's the best brand for mounting supressors/stocks?>pic rel>its me
>>65032978Doesn't sound convincing. I don't think I will play with someone online as these types of games are usually taken very seriously and I don't like some stranger yelling at me for not knowing some niche shit about the game or not remembering the map 100%. I just want to be a kid again playing SWAT 4 with my friend after school and have fun limping around because my dumb ass let myself get shot in the leg early in the campaign mission.
>>65034765>I just want to look cute and be functional.Stopped reading right there. Fuck off faggot.
>>65034895Most MP5s on the market are pretty solid.HK, Century MKE, MAC, Zenith. I went with a new MKE AP5N myself. Zero issues out of the box and even after 900 rounds. Half the price of the HK SP5. Suppressor lockup is tight and FRT fits perfect. Stock fitment is nice and tight.If you want a fixed stock, get a HK stock, alternatively AC unity makes a cheap option (aesthetic is slightly off, but untrained eyes won't notice).If you want a collapsible stock, go with new production MKE (Atlantic firearms had a bunch). Half the price of HK, and exactly the same.Lot's of FRT options if you want "almost full auto". L2 prints is awesome for aesthetics but it's 3D printed, AS designs if you want metal and piece of mind. Most full-size MP5s will work without modifying the locking piece. The short MP5ks will be a challenge, especially if you run a suppressor.Suppressor options are pretty open. Get one that has a 3-lug (sometimes called tri lug) attachment option. You'll usually have to buy this as an extra suppressor accessory. Focus on reduced back pressure suppressors. Go to PewScience and sort the 9mm rankings accordingly. Top 10 suppressors are all good. I personally have a Mojave 9, but I also use it on pistols.
>>65034765>Is there anything wrong with getting one of the 100% US made clones from S5 or the like?The parts are worse quality. The S5 kit bolt isn't tungsten filled, so the already bad recoil is even worse. The rear isn't welded and you run into more fitment issues.>Meanwhile """German made""" tranny He says, while posting Mugi who's literally married to a tranny.>UMP conversions cost a little under $5kIt's more like $2.0-2.5K for a USC conversion if you wait for a sale/Black Friday.>USC$1000>UMP parts$500>conversion$500-$1000>UMP-confirmation surgery (which hopefully is a success/doesn't have complications that requite revision surgeries)USC conversions have less reliability issues than the US clones. Only the Tommybuilt stuff had issues IIRC.
>>65035093Those must be some pretty big Black Friday sales. Looking today and I see:>USC$1,300>UMP parts$1,300>UMP marks$200>barrel cut and thread$200>conversion$1,400That comes to $4,400, plus tax and multiple shipping fees.https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/uschttps://blackopsdefense.com/product/work-order-ump-weld/>The S5 kit bolt isn't tungsten filled, so the already bad recoil is even worse.Hmmm, didn't realize that.>The rear isn't welded and you run into more fitment issues.When you say the rear isn't welded, what part are you talking about exactly? I'm a UMP noob.
>>65034796There is a vepr 12 near me and a saiga sporter under 1k near me but I don't wanna spend that much right now.
>>65034826>The manual of arms is outdatedInstructors at shooting class shitting on MP5 for having "outdated" manual of arms and slower split times than spherical ARs in vacuum only to then teach you convoluted procedures that negate a lot of that speed because "things don't always go smooth" made me realise that the MP5 manual of arms is very repeatable, simple and unified:Every time the gun does not go bang for whatever reason you pull the charging handle, hook it up and check the ejection port. At that moment you either see clearly what to do next (and have a hand free to do that), or have already solved the problem, and it's very difficult to fuck up.
>>65035360If you were really trying to fix issues with minimal time, it could be even done quicker than that.I had a number of failures when I was trying to get my FRT to work properly in my MP5.Anytime the gun stops working, you just pull the charging handle, lock it back, and immediately drop the magazine. You don't really have to look in the chamber as loose rounds from a FTE or FTF will simply drop out the bottom. You can also see the top round in the magazine. But having the mag out for a split second is enough. If it wasn't a failure and you just happened to be out of ammo, you're already halfway there on changing the mag.
For me, it's the Sig Sauer MPX
>>65023768>I do see one very valid use of a PCC and that’s home defenseI see the PCC as the final form of the 'nightstand gun' before you are getting into SBR territory.>compact enough to fold up into a drawer>more capacity than standard pistol mags>more mounting space for larger optic and light>more stable than an unbraced pistol>suppressor and subs won't blow out your eardrumsI've been eyeballing the kuna for this role myself and as a range toy.
>>65035093>UMP parts>$500For a full HK parts kit or just the missing parts on a conversion? I was thinking of buying one of S5's receivers and building it myself rather than their complete rifle.
>>65036229>full HK parts kit
>>65035768Never understood why you wouldn't just go with an AR-9 at that point
>>65036946softer recoil and more compact. if you say ">9mm >recoil" then i will report you for low quality posting.
>>65037019There are people that complain about direct blow back 9mm recoil and I think they are stupid because the cx4 I have shoots soft enough it feels like an electric blowback airsoft. What pcc these days don't have any recoil mitigation?Roller delay is better but still.
>>65034677I bought my AP5 when they were $1500 based on the "snooze = lose" principle and look where that got me, less than a year later PSA was dumping them for $900.
>>65037019>9mm>recoil
>>65036560.45 auto kits are retard priced. The .40s&w kits are much cheaper and if you did want .45acp you can buy a bolt and barrel as well and still be under HKscums price. The harder part is sourcing USC semi auto FCG parts but you can buy them individually if you shop around.
>>64968701The journo was a friend of Elian's family member who were refusing to return him to his father. They hid in a closet so their friend could get some juicy photos.
>>65037157Copy that. Yeah, I discovered that today too. I would prefer the .45 cal since it's the OG caliber the gun was designed for, but I'm not entorely opposed to the .40 cal. I'll look into this option more.I did stop by my local based shop today and asked them about UMP clones. They specialize in class 3 stuff, and he said they had an Omega Gideon Shadow they converted into a machine gun and it ran fine. He said their Tommy Built (that they also made into a MG) had issues though.As for the bolt, from my research the only tungsten-filled bolts are the actual HK UMP and an after market option from Michael's Machines. The USC bolt and all the other after market options are just solid steel. This likely only effects FA or FRT/SS though. The HK bolt will likely only be sourced from a total parts kits for big bucks, while the MM bolt is $750 and OOS on HKP. This does matter to me though, because I would like to put the upcoming UMP FRT in it. Wouldn't just a beefier recoil spring be enough to prevent bolt bounce though? That seems like the easiest solution.This kinda brings me back to my original stance. If a 100% US made clone from S5 is g2g for ~$2k, then that's pretty appealing if it works out of the box. If an eventual FRT introduces bolt bounce, then a beefier recoil spring should suffice (I would think). Otherwise trans'ing a USC to UMP will be a lot more money, time, and hassle (and even once you do that, you then have to battle with 992(r) to SBR it).I need to keep doing my research though. Maybe these newer US clones have issues I've not heard about yet. The UMP is a simple gun though, so it's not unthinkable that they could work perfectly fine if manufactured decently. Inb4 the more I research the more I fetishize all German/HK parts and markings.
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>>65034895Oddly even the Turk and Paki options seem fine FWIW. And I say that as someone that more or less will not buy a Turkish gun. Even I'm considering a Turk MP5. Just read this >>65010193 and see. Fuck, even the mags are more or less fine. What he says implies the mags get over a thousand rounds a day EACH. Are any of us seriously going to shoot that much per mag in a year? 6 months? Let alone in a day, daily. Like I said, Turk gun free here, but this seems to be a rare exception.>>65035079NTA but what about the Choate folder on a fullsize MP5? Can't believe the price of Choate but it looks like the best option. I can't see myself liking the collapsing stock much and the damn thing is still like $200 for the Turk option.
>>65035079I would NOT buy a MAC or recommend a MAC. I tried to justify it being like oh Mertsav is a legit arms manufacturer! Maybe that is the case, but my MAC was a rattly broken shit heap by the time I got to 6000rnd. Chrome flaking off the bolt. Something in the trigger pack completely broke and gave out and the gun stop disconnecting and went full hammer follow auto. Had to throw an MKE pack in there to get it running. Receiver welds had cracks and shit. Awful trash. I have an MKE now. It seems a bit better.
>>65037065>What pcc these days don't have any recoil mitigation?The scorpion. That massive fucking lump of a bolt + being made completely out of plastic makes it pretty awful to shoot compared to literally anything else on the market these days, crazy how popular they used to be despite this
>>65038482The new one? Damn I thought they looked cool.
>>65037065>Roller delay is betterI think its better for suppressed and what's the point of a PCC if you aren't running a suppressor on it?
>>65038325>Tripnigger speakingI sleep
>>65038187Aesthetically, the folder is not really great on the full-size guns, but it will work. To me, it just looks wrong.If you're really concerned about price, the AC Unity fixed stock is probably the best option. But HK stocks are not that much more.
I don't think anyone really thinks direct blowback 9mm is truly "harsh recoiling," it's just that the roller and bearing delayed guns are much nicer. The MP5, Banshee, Kuna, etc. are more pleasant to shoot than any AR-9 or similar direct blowback 9mm. Sure, you could throw a hydraulic buffer in there and charge $2500 and some people will psyop themselves into thinking it's better than an MP5, because otherwise B&T wouldn't have any fans.The MPX sort of feels like an anomaly. It's soft recoiling, but the action itself is so fast/harsh that it has a tendency to destroy triggers and experience other problems. How much of that is down to suboptimal design choices by Sig, and how much of it is down to a piston system being suboptimal for a PCC, I can't say.
>>65009656Alright, finished my g80 grip shell. Any interest if I make it into a carbine like that Ruger 57? Will be less blocky as the Ruger since I can 3d print the grip module and have it all be part of the chassis. With or without hello kitty. Thinking have it be back rail, top rail, side rails.Maybe even have it be so it can take a mp5 collapsible brace/stock for it instead?
>>65040143Eh, price is what it is, just strange it's only $50 less than my B-TM (hardwood, plastic and many stainless butt/stock components) when it's mostly injection molded plastic.https://www.riflestock.com/store/product/h-k-mp5-93-94-folding-stock/$197 probably plus shipping. HK and style tax I guess.>doesn't look right on fullsizeIDK, I just can't accept the look of k sizes for some reason yet. I want a fullsize for some reason whether I end up with a folder or a fixed stock.
>>65044084That stock on a fullsize isn't canon.
>>65038482I'd recommend you to shoot one before completely dismissing it. Bought one at a time when it was the cheapest modern SMG shaped 9 mm thing in my country and it has served me well ever since. Recoil wise, I don't consider it hard on the shoulder but I must be conscious of my stock weld or my cheek gets Thai massaged by the rising section of the comb (I shoot it with irons).I believe that roller guns are nicer, but once I got the opportunity to shoot a suppressed MP5 side by side with my Evo and whatever the difference was, I couldn't really feel and appreciate it. Made me realize the Evo is actually "good enough" for me.Still would like a nicely priced turk or paki MP5 for the steel construction and cool factor. I probably wouldn't be able to resist the urge to strap a fuckhuge maglite to it and wrapo some burning curtains around my leg...
Can't wait for ARHK. >>65044157>>65038482I've shot Scorpions and I never understood how the fuck they got so popular with soi redditors and nogs. They're absolutely terrible pieces of trash. Recoil impulse is awful, the overall feel is atrocious, ergos are meh, not bad, but they're ugly also, never were that cheap ($1k) and had isses blowing apart the receivers...No thanks.
>>65044203Wuggy is hop?
