>current year>still no standard what SHOULD be the standard then?is it just so joeover for us silence maxxing mount chuds? are we cooked famalam? chat, is this for realzies?
>>64944327HUB is pretty much standardized so there wouldn't need to be a standard mount. I just went with YHM QD because I'm a sucker for ratchet noises.
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>>64944327we're in current year +11
>>64944327Go over barrel or you're just a larper
>standard mounthere you go
>>64944589I know people are gonna get mad at me but my can is direct threaded. I only have one 5.56 rifle and one 5.56 can so it's not like I'm going to move it between guns and why would I cough up 800 bucks and go through the ATF rigamarole to not use it all the time?
>>64944327There is. It's called 5/8-24.
>>64944327HUB for internal threads, Plan B for muzzle threads.QD anything except Griffin A2 is shit
>>64944589As someone living in a state with suppressors banned... is this not how they all are? Do you really need special attachments to put a suppressor on?
>>64944677Most suppressors are usually made in two stylesDirect Thread and Muzzle Device>>64944607The only justification I can see with mounting cans is that a lot of initial gas hits the muzzle device (easily replaceable) and not the suppressor (not as easily) and removing them easily for cleaning
>>64944677Threads can get fouled with carbon and lock up. Just means you've got to twist harder but some find that unacceptable.
>>64944677Certain designs like the Allen Engineering AEM5 and the OSS/Huxworks Flow 5.56 do require a special muzzle device allow the can to mount, but most models can be directly screwed on
>>64944327>what SHOULD be the standard then?Ase Utra Borelock (but AU are incredible gayniggers about anyone else's suppressors being used with their muzzle devices)
>>64944327The standard should be an integrated suppressor and an easily removable (and so replacable) barrel like an AUG or AR
>>64945139That makes no sense whatsoever
>>64944327The Tri-lug exists so this thread didn’t have to
>>64944327Why do you talk like a faggot? It really detracts from what you are trying to get across.
>>64945477malding rn fr fr ong
>>64944677As metal heats, direct thread cans become loose. It’s fine for shooting at things that don’t shoot back at you but if you wanna larp you use a good locking mount.
Also would anyone like to by some efficient 1/2”x28 fuel filters off YouTube?
The standard for cans should be hub so that R&D in various mounting systems can continue and be incentivized by backwards compatibility and the associated sales volume. We want new and better mount and muzzle device systems and mechanisms. The profit that a company might make off of a new and improved mount and muzzle device suppressor mounting system will be increased if people with older cans are able to adopt the new product. This is best enabled by a sort of universal thread standard of some sort on the can end, IE hub thread 1.375"-24 TPINow if you're asking about a particular mounting system there are a few important considerations. I believe strongly that active multi-layer retention of some sort is a necessary must for the VAST majority of firearms that are set up in the true spirit of the 2nd Amendment. Range toys and hunting rifles need not apply. Similarly, special applications (Liberators, covert guns etc) might be exempt depending on specifics. The functional difference between a suppressed vs unsuppressed firearm is huge. As such it is absolutely a priority to have a suppressor. Active retention is critical insurance because if the suppressor comes unmounted or backs off your risk destroying the suppressor, which less having to do with the cost of repair/replacement, renders the weapon significantly functionally inferior in the sense that once there is a baffle strike, you either remove the suppressor and deal now with the associated reduction in capability from a full report firearm, or you leave the damaged suppressor on and retain suppression, but have a fucked POI due to the baffle strike. This is why the insurance of active retention is so critical, and why direct thread and other "passive" measures like the HUX system don't cut it in my opinion. Now some might say then why not just crank the can down hard direct thread. This isn't unreasonable, but functionally and administratively being able to QD the can is good for transport etc
>>64947940Those melt if used in anything bigger than a .22.
>>64949904What did B&T ever tell you about your copper build up on your blast chamber?>>64944327IMO HUB suppressor + planB with a left hand thread would be perfect. Unfortunately in this day and age everything is mostly Plan B right hand threads which is fine for the most part, but I think left hand threads would give most people a better peace of mind.
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>>64949929>copper build upThey just said to soak it in their Schletek cleaning solution they sell. I went after it with a dremel and carbide bits instead. Not sure what to make of it still. We'll see. >left hand threadsWhat difference does this make with respect to active retention?
>>64949988>What difference does this make with respect to active retention?I just like the concept of tightening the MD when I'm unscrewing my suppressor. But I Rocksett all of my stuff so standard Plan B right hand doesn't bother me in the slightest.
>>64949988It embeds itself in the micropores of the 3D printed metal, there's only so much you can do without a grinder. If it's steel and you've got the autism for it ammonium persulfate would do the job, but with such a porous object I don't think I would risk it. Any trapped in there could be nasty in the long run. If it's Ti then it might just dissolve the whole baffle.
>>64947940>aluminumThere was nothing wrong with the stainless steel ones beyond them being big and heavy but for range toys they were fine before gayTF went full retard with F1. But don't ever get aluminum.>>64949904I honestly just direct thread unless it's hub-only, but I don't mind some standard so long as it's no overly complex/expensive or makes things longer. I sorta feel like "QD" is over done and complexifies things, and someone could do a simple mount with screw holes that was so cheap you could rocksett it to a barrel and just throw it away when the barrel burned out and then if you wanted active retention of the can just add a few screws. Use hard drive screws or something.>>64949988>what differencewasn't the idea that if you go opposite thread and have the can designed for it it'll basically self-tighten as you shoot instead of loosen?
>>64947934>You can't use a direct thread can, sonny, it will fall off when it gets hot>You need to buy a $200 QD and thread that on instead, now that's the stuff
>>64951248>wasn't the idea that if you go opposite thread and have the can designed for it it'll basically self-tighten as you shoot instead of loosen?Cute fantasy but no truth to it. Heat cycles loosen threads, the torque on the barrel from rifling is insignificant until you get to very large rounds with fast twist rates. If this was all it took they'd reverse the rifling direction and never worry about it again.
>>64951258Yeah because you're not going to loctite/pin a suppressor on unless you're very stupid
>>64951326>the torque on the barrel from rifling is insignificant until you get to very large rounds with fast twist rateswhat the fuck does that have to do with it? we're talking about the suppressor itself not the fucking rifle it's attached to. the suppressor has a big volume of gas going through a bunch of metal fans. you could definitely design that to cause the suppressor to have torque the other way with 3d printed designs quite easily. same as a fucking fan or turbine or whatever, bunch a gas going through, just angle things internally.
>>64951356Do you not own any blue loctite?>>64951362Then you'd just build the baffles backwards instead of using a nonstandard thread.
>>64951356>nooooo i need 2 "quick detach" (latest fad meme) my can for maximal tactical synergistic advantages!!lol just rocksett the thing fag and if you need to get it off someday just put it in a bucket of water for a few hours or whatever it's not a big deal>i don't have a can for each gunget a job>now its too longbuy a longer case or a shorter gun or both
>>64951258Unironically this
>>64951362You're not going to get any meaningful torque this way, certainly not enough to "tighten itself", not even remotely. The total mass of the expanding gas is not nearly significant enough. It's not a flow of high-pressure gas through a turbine, it's an extremely brief impulse of what amounts to a tiny quantity hot, low-density gas. Trying to self-tighten against the inertia of the suppressor with the torque of the barrel being rotated by the rifling is more realistic, and even that is a fucking joke to consider. No, anon, the idea is silly and would not work.
>>64951371Why would you bother with loctite when you can get a decent QD solution
>>64951422You'll have to loctite the QD anyway, as you noted. The only reason to buy a QD is if you want to quickly detach your can. It has nothing to do with keeping it from falling off.
>>64951410>oil filterHow does that work? I thought all modern oil filters come with a back flow cap thingy at the center?pic very much related
>>64951422Does your "decent qd solution" cost pennies per use? Does it add no extra weight or length?
>>64951430Bullet makes hole through all of it
>>64951430It gets shot through. Screw the adapter on, wear some eyepro, first shot opens it up. Oil filters are a fun meme but they are fucking terrible suppressors.
>>64951432Costs as much as a gun, adds 3/4", weighs nearly 3oz. Cash or card, sir?
>>64951427>It has nothing to do with keeping it from falling off.Depends on the mounting method, but mine (AU) has a collar that locks into teeth on the muzzle brake, presto, no wobble and physically can't come off on its own
>>64951445>Oil filters are a fun meme but they are fucking terrible suppressors.Though to be clear that's actual for-real oil filters. The chinksect """""oil filters :^)""""" like in >>64947940 obviously work "fine" if they're made from steel and use normal baffle stacks, they're just old fashioned suppressors without an appropriately sized hole on each end.
>>64944589/thread
I direct thread my stuff in general. I will give a real answer though vs all the faggot MUH QD MUH TACTICAL ADVANTAGE ones to why someone might legit use a mount: if they're using a light pattern barrel where it's just too thin to properly thread and direct attach. Light hunter or maybe med palma or whatever. I personally prefer to just get a heavier countour and then have it fluted if I want to save weight but for some barrels you just can't do a normal direct attach with all cans.
>>64951460Okay, but you could just loctite the can and then it wouldn't fall off.
>>64951504And go through that rigmarole over and over again for no reason when you could just slide the collar back up and screw the suppressor off? Reverse for attaching it. QD muzzle devices aren't that expensive
>>64951445>Oil filters are a fun meme but they are fucking terrible suppressors.They're extremely effective at sound suppression.
>>64944589>spend money to get heavy match varmint precision barrel>pay to put a 1/2-28 muzzle thread on it>badmouth the barrel maker because it shoots like shit now>???>profitMany such cases
I’ve got the chance to buy a combo grizzly lathe and press (G4015) for $800. I’ve not done any machining before but I have approved form 1’s. Is it worth buying the lathe with the state of form 1 suppressor making today or am I better off just getting form 4 cans?
>>64944589I thought this too until I actually used a direct threaded suppressorLike other anons have said, the HUB system is probably the best for a “standard” rifle suppressor. Alternatively, trilug is great for pistol calibre carbines
>>64944327ops inc brake and collar is the clear winner here>first baffle muzzle brake>all the benefits of qd and direct thread>can be concentric even on barrels that are not>can have same oal with more volume because of sleeved design>are still some of the quietest suppressors made>simple and relatively inexpensive
>>64951508As I've stated over and over, the only reason to get a QD is if you want to QD. It's not to keep the can from falling off.
>>64944327Istfg the people who earnestly bitch the most about there being no standard will be the people who bitch the loudest when there is a standard
>trilug>fast attach>dtThat's all you need.
>>64959676>It's not to keep the can from falling off.It helps with that too, though
>>64960257Direct thread cans don't fall off because loctite exists.>but it's easier to remove and reinstall with a QD!So a QD is better for QDing. It's not required to hold the can on.
>>64960291DT cope
>>64947940These ads have got to be a fed honeypot, I see them when im watching gun videos and I reflexively think "glowie!!" whenever I see it.
>>64951430Big hardware don't want you to know this simple weird trick. You can use firearms to drill holes.
>>64960312Why is it so hard to accept that QDs are for QDing and for no other reason? I'm not saying that QDs aren't desirable, I'm just saying that they're not necessary to keep your suppressor from falling off. The only argument you have against direct thread is that it's inconvenient to remove and replace the can, which I 100% agree with.
>>64960625They are. Same with the Ebay listings and Facebook ads. It's pathetic that glowfags spend more time on this shit than they do taking down actual gangs in cities. Gotta justify their paycheck somehow I guess!
Is a viton o-ring good to keep a silencer from walking off a direct thread, or is it going to give me alignment issues? I have a SiCo osprey that just loves walking itself loose after every mag or two.
>>64961688Are you talking about torquing the suppressor on top of the ring?
>>64961823Yeah, usually I see o-rings used to prevent thread protector walk off, but I can't find a straight answer about it working on cans.
>>64961866The vast majority of cans direct threaded should be without the o-ring. Reason being you want the end of the suppressor adapter tight against the flat of the barrel after its threads. It helps ensure centricity and prevent baffle strikes. You should always have hi temp oven mitt or something similar on hand to re-tighten the can after every mag or so.
>>64953294A guy at the range had one with the serialized bolt. Didn't seem even close to any of my actual suppressors. Like even not hearing safe even with subs. How many dB suppression?
>>64959676No.I've had suppressors unscrew, and no I'm not going to tighten the fuck out of them so that I need a bitch grip and a crescent wrench to take it off.QD makes it so I put them on and call it a day.
>>64960291Y-you locktite your cans?With what color?Blue will basically become less viscous than alcohol after a couple shots and do jackshit for keeping the suppressor onboard and if you use red, that just sounds like you want it to stay on there.AKA: QD with extra steps.
>>64961866Would you put an O-ring under a nut you tighten?
>>64962489Have you considered using loctite? Or pinning it on? Or doing any of the things you have to do anyway to keep your QD (or the muzzle device it's attached to) from falling off?>But that would make it inconvenient to remove!So get a QD, it's convenient. But it's not required to keep your can from falling off.>>64962501I use normal 242 blue for mine, but it's plastic so I don't magdump through it anyway. 2422 should do the trick, or JBWeld if you really want to make sure the fucker can't fall off.>But that would make it inconvenient to remove!So get a QD, it's convenient. But it's not required to keep your can from falling off.
>>64963884>Or doing any of the things you have to do anyway to keep your QD (or the muzzle device it's attached to) from falling off?Retarded train of thought, if you have the QD muzzle device attached with thread locker you still have an easy choice of shooting either suppressed or unsuppressed, and plenty of QD suppressors have a mechanism that prevents the suppressor from rotating at all when locked, while DT suppressors generally don't
>>64944327HUB + Plan B. Wow, that was hard
>>64964681>QDs make it easier to take your suppressor off!Holy fuck, are you brain damaged? I've said that over and over. No shit QDs make it more convenient to remove and replace your can. And yes, obviously that's a helpful feature. But what they DON'T do is keep your can from falling off, because you can trivially do that without a QD.
>>64965399>triviallyNo, only with retarded shit like hurrdurr just rocksett it on
Qd should be non negotiable because storing your guns with a can on them is a bad idea, the carbon and unburnt powder is hygroscopic and will lead to rust or just shit falling back into the action
How many rounds are you going through to risk unscrewing a DT suppressor? I think my max was 8-9 mags in one range trip and my can felt the same torque wise as when I started.
>>64965765>Not using a QD makes removing the can inconvenient!Yes, of course. Which is why you should get a QD if you want to make removing the can convenient.
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>>64958652TWO VP-9s? was one not enough for you?
>>64957177Are you implying shitty threading job (non-concentric or poor thread quality), varying silencer torque shot to shot, or hulk tier torquing leading to thread stretching leading to a slight bore restriction at the end of the barrel? Also yes that last one is also real; was it Brownells that had the video showing it with a muzzle device on an AR barrel? Usually springs back when removed which is insane.
>>64945134>Euroid bullshitNah
>>64966859Hardly bullshit, I think their toothed collar approach is pretty good, owning an AU QD suppressor. I don't know how your manufacturers do it, if anyone's got a QD can please show me its features
>>64966530>thread stretching leads to barrel constriction may we see it?
>>64944627>QD anything except Griffin A2 is shitI have their gate-lock hub adapter and it's exactly what I fucking wanted, it's perfect.I just run A1 or A2 flash hiders, or any other muzzle device that shares the same outside dimensions, and still get on/off in a split second.Works on 556, 300, 9mm no problems.
