If Greece and Turkey got into a war today who would win? And what weapons would be used
>>64947942In a vacuum, Turkey. Realistically? The aggressor nation would lose.
>>64947942I don't know who'd win, all I know is that it would be the single most homosexual event in the history of mankind.Greece vs Turkey is just Gay squared then multiplied by infinity.The factor deciding the end of the "war" would be the depletion of the global Vaseline and olive oil reserves.HIV/AIDS, and protein poisoning from extreme semen overdoses would be the leading causes of death.
>>64947981That sounds like your fantasy
>>64947942>who would winthe world
>>64948118How so
I think Greece would win a defensive war
>>64947942That monk is pretty based. His name is Iosif and when he would hear jets fly over he would grab his flag and run out to wave it. He was pretty well known for it and when a pilot retired he gave him his flight suit and gear.
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>>64948228That's cool
Greece is a country of pensioners, and it doesn't have demographics that would survive a war.
>>64947942As kino as it would be for those obnoxious roaches to get bodied, Turkey would probably win. It wouldn't be a stomp, but Greece really isn't built for protracted war, and they don't have the tech or industry to win an initial short fight.
>>64950719That's why a war would help them. Bomb them to shit, kill boomers, level buildings, free up space for new construction, Athens is the ugliest abomination to mankind.Even shitty commie block buildings look better.
Im pretty sure every international organization founded west of Poland would simultaneously demand the war end instantly. I guess it would be a greek victory because both countries economies would collapse, which would hardly affect the greeks, who dont have one.
>>64947942>who would winthe jews
>>64947942land invasion? turkey wins IF greece doesnt mobilize their huge ass tank force fast enough cause their casual military sucks assair campaign? turkey loses badly its not even a questionsea? if they attack before greece gets their 6 new frigates they will win however they are getting 4 fdis and 4 bergaminis which will get upgraded to host seafire 500 too they are also throwing money to naval group to co develop a quad pack sylver system for asters 15s
>>64950966>which would hardly affect the greeks, who dont have one.not having an economy is one of the best strategies worked for the talibanbut im not sure who would run a no eco build better the turks or the greeks
Realistically it would be a limited missile chimpout at overtly military only targets. The terrain makes missile artillery very useful and maneuvering difficult without overwhelming air supremacy.
>>64950940i kinda agree athens besides few areas needs a fucking nukeits the only european capital that actively destroyed its neoclassical architecture god i wish someone would bring that back
>>64951053>air campaign? turkey loses badly its not even a questionHow so?
>>64951089well greece has literally the most advanced airforce right now in europeif they also manage to upgrade their block 50s to V then they also gonna have double the airframes with aesa radar than the next two in europethey have the most missiles few cruise missiles and a shitload of jdamsplus this isnt even why i think that they gonna dominate the skygreece has thousands of islands with big enough mountains they can literally loiter behind them and the enemy radar wont even be able to see them till its too late
>>64951089Greeks turn out to be pretty competent pilots.
>>64947981Gayest exercise is marines vs air force probably.
>>64951089it should tell you everything you need to know that greece and israel codeveloped the new training center in greece that israeli pilots uses all the time
>>64947942>quiet well trained military with very good pilots supported by NATO Vs>Overly proud muslims pretending to be white that only care about how good they look on paper yeah I really couldn't tell who would win
>>64951364And said Islands are within range of missiles and artillery. Their missiles can even reach athene. The planes wont be able to return to the airstrip theyve taken off from.
>>64953087well turkey isnt iran so they dont have any sort of good stock to saturate their defenceswe know that they have lm2084s also 2 green pine radars (they are DEW) they are also in talks to buy spyder david's sling barak mx and some undisclosed amount of LORA and various other missiles bullshit around
>>64947942the only realistic spark point is the Turkish claim on Greek waters and the resources found there.this is due the Turks not recognizing UNCLOS.France, Italy and Spain have stated that they back the Greeks in this not just because they are all signatories of UNCLOS but because they are in the EU.it would never be a 1v1 but the whole of the Mediterranean and Balkan EU teaming up on the Turks.even is the Greeks where to fire first as long as they can show it's in defense of their waters under UNCLOS they would still receive substantial backing.
Stop, no more brother wars!
>>64953184>brotherwhy must you provoke them both in this manner?
>>64953188Inside every Turk and Greek is a Slavic Anatolian mutt.
>>64953434no Galatians?SAD
>>64948228That monk is known as the Air Force's main cum bank, he accepts deposits 24/7
>>64953107>Balkans>GreeksYeah yeah Turkey weak, gypsies strong. In reality all of you will be raped so hard that you wish back a swimming lesson. Competent air force my ass. This war will be so one sided that you will drag your collective ass to Brussels and cry about getting genocided. Russia shouldve been the spear head of this circus of yours and even they cant body Ukraine. Fucking greek boomers I swear.
>>64947942The world. Because Cyprus would be cleansed of both turkshits and degenerate digital nomad immigrants from Russia, Ukraine and Israel.
>>64947942Greece, for two reasons.1) Roaches operate S-300/400 which means their airspace is wide open.B) Roaches are slightly browner on top of being mullahs. They stand no chance.
>>64951089Their AD is worthless.
>>64953835Part of Cyprus is still British so... Nobody is gonna want the issues.
>>64951364im suprised that people dont know how powerfull greece is they have more than twitce tanks than the second one their airforce is generally top notch they bought 4 of those fdi frigates(i hope they would have bought 10 desu)they are gonna sign to get 4 bergamini class frigates they are in talks with japan to get an undisclosed amount of soryu class subs and 4 to 6 kawasaki's p1s the only thing i just dont get is why they havent overhauled their army to what israel has done it would transform the entire country
>>64947942>If Greece and Turkey got into a war today who would winisrael
>>64947942i find it funny how greece was the first to send help in cyprus and even more hilarious the way europe learned about the attack tldruk didnt even bother to report the incident to cyprus as they should have BUTtheir new frigate was in the area doing its acceptaince FM trials and picked up the drone they informed eucom about the incident and the very next day decided to send 4 f16s and 2 frigates it took europe 4 fucking days to even open their mouths let alone to send help i dont know if greece had on its plan to make eu look this weak but they def showcased it to the whole world that article 42 means jack shit
>air campaign? turkey loses badly its not even a questionGreece would lose the war in the air so fast that your head would spin.1.Greek pilots have zero combat experience. Also, their flight hours are lower than Turkish pilots.2. Greek aerial weapons inventory is very limited and small in number. In a combat toe-to-toe with the Turks, their inventory won't last more than a week. A logistical collapse awaits Greece if they don't get any replenishment in the very first day of the conflict. This even includes fuel for their aircraft.3. Turkey has modern AEWCs, Jammer and Tanker aircrafts. Greece don't.4. Turkey has hundreds of drones, Greece survive on very few borrowed ones. Turkish drone operators are probably one of the most experienced ones on the planet.5. Turkey vastly outnumbers Greece in standoff weapons. Greek airbases and fuel depots won't be intact in a combat situation. Turkey has some strategic depth to survive.6. Greece has no EW capability. Absolutely Zero. 7. As of 2026 with deliveries of Hisar & Siper,Turkish AD is better and more numerous than Greek one.
>>64952083>Greeks turn out to be pretty competent pilots.Yes, greek pilots are very competent with crashing into other NATO planes parked on the tarmac https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30991950
>>649541221)you clock more hours than us?you YOU that you had to bring back from retirement old ass pilots to cover the purge?2)very limited? ah yes i forgot who am i speaking it3)you have a 120km advantage range however this means jack shit cause your long range missiles wont even come close to meteor also call me when you actually get your jammer delivered 4)we actually got as tech transfer the father of shahed from south africa you should know this already about the 2 plants in western greece5)"we pretend air defences do not exist"6)actually we do we have a shitload of comint cesm sirius gbad and passive suit from saabalso centaur which unlike yours it actually worked in combat conditions7)good thing you had the germans to help you otherwise you wouldnt even had an air defence till 2050
>>649542021. Yes, Turkish pilots clock more hours than Greek ones. NATO benchmark is 180 hours annually. Greek pilots fly less than 100. Turkish pilots fly more than 200 hours. This is very well-known fact. Turkey almost always participates in NATO Aerial missions; Greece can't do that due to very poor readiness levels. Turkish pilots have actual combat experience in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Somalia, Azerbaijan etc. Greek pilots have zero experience.2. Greek inventory is very limited. In a war scenario, Greece won't even have ordnance to load their planes for a third or fourth sortie.3. Turkish planes have this AIM-120 C7 and Gokdogan missiles for engagement beyond 100+ km ranges. Actually, Turkish pilots hold the longest-range AA victory record for NATO bloc. Assad's plane in Syria was shot down from +100 km away. Turkish AEW&C guided missile onto target far beyond aircraft's own capability.4. Greece has no tactical or strategic drones of its own, the very few ones that are available to Greece are rented. These are operated by foreign crews. Turkey has hundreds of drones. Turkey has dozens of various ordnances for drones, including air to air missiles.5. Greek AD arsenal is 30+ years old. Greece missed maintenance of these systems during 2008 crisis, probably most of these missiles are duds by now that will crash into Greek cities rather than hitting their targets.6. Saab's EW capability is very limited and primitive compared to dedicated systems that Turkey possess. Ask those to Armenians.7. lol, what a shit excuse.
>>64954202>>64954322By the way, EVEN USA, with their extremely bloated budget, failed to stop incoming missiles onto their bases and radars in Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and such. Greek airbases have zero chance to survive in a conflict with Turkey.
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>>64954322>Yes, Turkish pilots clock more hours than Greek ones. NATO benchmark is 180 hours annually. Greek pilots fly less than 100. Turkish pilots fly more than 200 hours. This is very well-known fact.im sure you can back this up with actual facts right?RIGHT?i will wait2)with our recent meteor procurement we are the third largest user of italso we are the fifth largest jdam operatorlet that sink in3) > AIM-120 C7 and Gokdogan missileswow and which of them even come close to meteor?>Turkish pilots hold the longest-range AA victory record for NATO bloc.imagine getting credit for downing a plane without RA on it > Greece has no tactical or strategic drones of its own,true but neither do you >Saab's EW capability is very limited and primitive compared to dedicated systems that Turkey possessthis has to be a joke but then again you are a turk so you actually believe this 7)>WE TOTALLY WOULD HAVE MADE THE MISSILE THAT TOTALLY DOESNT LOOK LIKE AN IRIS T BECAUS DHIEL WAS BEHIND OF BOTH OF THEM SENPAITACHI yeah said literally no one ever
>>649547521. Greek Airforce barely joins NATO missions, because they have very poor, below NATO standard readiness levels. There are many Greeks out there complaining about low flight hours of Greek pilots. https://doureios.com/shedon-90-tois-ekato-epiheirisiaki-diathesimotita-ta-rafale-stin-polemiki-aeroporia/Here example, this new Rafale planes fly 135 hours per year, way less than NATO standards. It's known that the situation is even worse for Greek F-16 pilots. Meanwhile TurAF maintains this 200-hour flights criteria for F-16 pilots.2 & 3 >with our recent meteor procurement we are the third largest user of ithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile)#OperatorsI don't see that. Wiki mentions 36 missiles, that's nothing but a joke. 36 meteor missiles won't make a difference. The problem is, Turkey is mounting larger radars and BVR missiles to low RCS drones. These are going to devastate Greeks in the air.>fifth largest jdam operatornope. Greece air force gravely lacks A2G ammunition. Greek A2G inventory is miniscule and very outdated. Meanwhile, Turkey is one of the largest producer of A2G ordnance globally.4. Turkey has hundreds of tactical and strategic drones. UAVs and UCAVS are well integrated into TurAF. And TurAF develops its own doctrine. Greece has nothing in this regard.5. SAAB in Greek inventory is 20 years old and using tech from 1980s. It's even old tech for the time it was first commisioned in early 2000s. Very primitive. No dedicated EW capability.7. Turkey building its own EAR and ITAR free A2A and SAM systems. That can be sold and delivered to anywhere, without needing for approval from any third party. So whatever you try to say is meaningless.
>>64954931Turkish armed drone equipped with 2x low RCS anti-radiation missiles.Missiles have 900 km range.Posting this here, as this story is from today. Greek mind would not even comprehend this, kekhttps://x.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/2031335295153574396?s=20
How would turkeys drone fleet factor in
>>64955142Very decisively.
>>64955165Everyone has known about it since 2020 though. Surely measures have been devolped by now especially in light of the azeri-armenia conflict and the ukraine war
>>64954931>1. Greek Airforce barely joins NATO missions, because they have very poor, below NATO standard readiness levels. There are many Greeks out there complaining about low flight hours of Greek pilots.and this is how we know turks are lyingbitch we literally join almost every nato exercise even our iniohos exercise has become the second biggest after red flag exercise on nato grounds wtf are you talking about>Here example, this new Rafale planes fly 135 hours per year, way less than NATO standards.the last 12 rafales got delivered 6 months before this articleand here you are bitching about procedures you literally have no fucking clue about imagine thinking a new type will get combat readness in a mere year fucking LOL> Meanwhile TurAF maintains this 200-hour flights criteria for F-16 pilotsyeah still waiting for your evidence to back this up>I don't see thatyou use wiki says a lot doesnt it >Greece air force gravely lacks A2G ammunitionim sure you can also back this up with EVIDENCE right?>Turkey has hundreds of tactical and strategic dronesyou have exactly ZERO hale drones >SAAB in Greek inventory is 20 years old and using tech from 1980s.so you didnt bother researching you just saw that greecehas some 80s ew tech you didnt bother even reading that those ones were made from russia and usa and youjust decided to throw saab into this >Turkey building its own EAR and ITAR free A2A and SAM systemsyou can thank dhiel for this cause you lack the knowledge to built one>without needing for approval from any third partysince dhiel is part of the development product itmeans germany will have a say so no
Turkey manufactures its own missiles, and has actual rockets scientists who run their extensive R&D programs. Greece has a better strategic position if defending but the reality of the Greek military is grim. Any and all orders for equipment are delayed and overpayed, with zero in-house manufacturing or know how.As if the weapons situation wasn't grim by itself the morale of Greek people (which was one of the defining characteristics of the previous war generation) is almost absent.If Greece is not supported by some other army and its a pure T vs G scenario, Greece loses for sure. >t. Greek
>>64955234You know what would be funny? Imagine Turkey and Greece join forces and create some cooperation. Noone would be able to do anything without approval of said cooperation in that region.
>>64955257It would be funny, but it wont happen, not as long as Turkey is in one piece as it is now. If the west of Turkey breaks off from the concentrated Kebab, some solution could be found.
>>64955193Greece doesn't join air patrol missions against Russia in Baltics, Romania and Black Sea due to low readiness and poor maintenance levels. Last time Greek pilots joined a training in Spain, they crashed plane onto parking NATO aircraft, killing a dozen NATO soldiers and wrecking multiple NATO aircraft.>rafale 135 hoursYes, the agreement Greece made with French includes constant maintenance and spare parts flow, because Greece can't do any of that at home, that correspond to 100 flight hours per year. Which is ridiculously low for NATO standards. >wiki says 36 missiles onlyyes, if it's incorrect go update that, but i don't think you can. Greece has very serious ordnance issue with all the vehicles and platforms it operates. No torpedoes for subs, no rounds for tanks, no missiles and bombs for the aircraft. It has been like that for the greeks for last 40 years.>you have exactly ZERO hale dronesAksungur and Akinci do flights above 45000 feet, beyond the reach of many medium range AA systems.>TurAF maintains this 200-hour flights criteria for F-16 pilotsIt has been like that for that last 50 years. NATO benchmark is 180 hours of flight for fighter pilots annually. Which TurAF applies.>Greece air force gravely lacks A2G ammunitionYes, see above. Greece don't have ordnance for a prolonged fight. They will deplete reserves in a few days of conflict.>dhiel is part of the development product itmeans germany will have a sayNope, Dhiel is not part of development and Germany has no say in Turkish AA & SAM projects. If you have any source about this limitation (you don't have any source), share with us please.
>>64955329>Greece doesn't join air patrol missions against Russia in Baltics, Romania and Black Sea due to low readiness and poor maintenance levelswe are patrolling for years since before the war started in albania montenegro and bulgaria i guess you actually doing your job for once as a nato member means that we dont have the manpower?what kind of cope is that>Yes, the agreement Greece made with French includes constant maintenance and spare parts flow, because Greece can't do any of that at homeHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHdo you have any idea about the spare parts(which you cant get anymore because of caatsa) we are producing for your precious f16?>ksungur and Akinci do flights above 45000 feet,zephyr 8s is the only true hale dronestop cosplaying as a drone power kebab>It has been like that for that last 50 years.ah so ok i get it you cant provide a single evidence for your bullshit and you just try to misinformation usmaybe its time to go back to waff nutuk>They will deplete reserves in a few days of conflict.thats literally whats going to happen to you toobut sure lets pretend you are a superpower orsomething>Nopebitch please
That Greek is owned hard. Greece as a nation can't even make simple pistols or walkie talkies at home. They will suffer greatly in any war.
>>64947942Article 42 of the Treaty on European Union means Turkey would face the wrath of every EU member. Unless Trump would jumo in on Turkeys side they'd lose incredibly hard.
>>64955521The Germany and lowlands front would be an issue for the EU
>>64955521>wrath of every EU memberHAHAHHAhHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
>>64955521look what happened with cyprus recently and you will take your answer
>>64956674What is going on with the UK
>>64957256forced inclusion
>>64954322what a load of bullshit why every turk that posts here is always such an insufferable dickhead?you went in 2015 from 1.25 ratio to 0.7 after the coup normally an air force needs 8 years to fill a passthrough of pilots and you are no exception to the rule so unless your 2017 cadet year was a 4000 pilot graduation ratio then you are simply lying (which shouldnt come as a suprise to NOBODY since you are a turk and you idiots always lie about anything)if you are flying 200 hours per month on such a low number of pilots you are effectivelly having a ratio of 1.9 you are clocking 25% more flight hours than a typical aircraft carrier and 31% of what the greeks do and that on a sanctioned air force with no way of getting spare parts and on factually low trained pilot pool let that sink in also the 100 hours you are posting you got it from a fucking 2015 article talking on how the greek phantom pilots are coping with the gradual retirement of their planes which literally isnt an indication of anything unless you are suggesting otherwise here is an actual article for you to readhttps://www.latribune.fr/article/defense-aerospatiale/defense/1270008425724315/pourquoi-les-rafale-de-dassault-seduisent-autant-larmee-de-lair-grecqueget your shit together fucking idiot
>>64947942greece has patriots and f-35 As turkey has f16s and s400 pretty clear
>>64951089turkey has f16s and russian ad. thats it
>>64957778Annually means per year. You are an imbecile. Greeks in this thread is prime example why Greece loses every war against Turkey.>>64957782>>64957788As of 2026 Turkey has its own AD system and an enormous UCAV fleet. We are talking about AESA mounted low RCS drones that can lob long range AA missiles. These are going to tear apart greeks in the air.
''Turks'' living in Berlin ITT
>>64957848When was the last time they fought
>>64957848>seething turkNo stealth for you, day of raid soon
>>64947942definetly turkey dude.
>>64958098They were humiliated in 1974.Also, entire Greek army got wiped out in 1922. Greeks were crushed so hard on the playfield that they call it a genocide.
What this guy said >>64947981More seriously the assymetry of Greece vs Turkey in population and GDP is massive.~1.3 trillion versus 282 billion86 million versus 9-10 millionTurkish military size is 481k with 380k reserve versus 200k peacetime with 1.7 million wartime (PResumably the turks would have more from a total draft like this).>>64950966It's not 2013 anymore.https://www.imf.org/en/publications/fandd/issues/2025/06/greeces-remarkable-recovery-konstantinos-hatzidakishttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/greece-forecasts-economy-grow-faster-pace-2026-2025-10-06/Off the top of my head I think turkey actually is in a worse ecnomic situation but I am too lazy to check that myself>>64957788>Russian ADIf that's true then they're doomed lol
>>649479421. What are the circumstances of the beginning of the war? Who shoots first?2. What are the objectives for each side?3. Is NATO involved?
>>64958262MakeAnatoliaGreekAgain
>>64957848cut the bullshit you fucking retard i called your bullshit out and you are sperging again oh no we have enormous fleet of ucav's oh no we have aesa on our dronesi heard the same bullshit when you idiots started the ozgur upgrade back in 2007 and to this date you have changed so much to a point that a block 50 actually looks like 20 years from the future in comparison
>>64958371You are going to cry like bitch ass faggot Turkish UCAVs tears apart your military.
>>64958404i highly doubt you gonna even reach japan let alone tear us apart you mongoloid i feel ashamed that at some point we shared dna god forbid we invent time travelling the very first thing i will do is to bomb the mongols that decided to emmigrate to the west
You two should quit acting like you hate eachother and just fuck already
>>64958418>>64958418We are going to make you howl with those armed drones, we have already sent thousands of Armenian and Russians to hell with these drones, now Greeks are going to taste it too. Now, keep crying like a bitch you are.
>>64950966>every international organization founded west of Poland would simultaneously demand the war end instantlyThat would surely end the war
Who's the bottom, the Greeks or the Turks?
>>64958262I see turkey being the aggressor. Turkey wants to conquer and Greece defends No
The ''turk'' ITT >>64958404 doesn't live in Turkey. But cozy in Europe
>>64958264>>64958502Okay, here’s how I think it might go down:Great Recession 2.0 is in full swing in 2028. Erdoğan is looking for a distraction, so he whips up fervor over Western Thrace and Greek Macedonia. He launches a barrage of missiles designed to degrade C2 and AA assets, then invades a week later. Land assault into Western Thrace, and an amphibious assault on the Axios delta near Thessaloniki, along with smaller amphibious landings in other parts of Greece (most notably Crete and Nafplion). He increases troop presence in Cyprus, but doesn’t initially make any moves. The initial maneuvers go well, and land is occupied, but fighting quickly bogs down due to mountainous terrain and Greek tenacity. Most EU states sever relations with Turkey and provide aid to Greece. Serbian mercenaries are used (to great effectiveness, along with a dash of war crimes) against the Turkish forces, and Greece and the EU covertly fund Kurdish and Armenian insurgencies that tie them down. Greek submarines escaped into the Mediterranean and cause problems for the Turkish Navy. Their aircraft carrier was rushed into service, and proved less useful than hoped due to teething issues. The Greeks steadily regain their territory, and a counter-invasion is launched through Bulgaria. Turkey is caught off-guard, and the combined forces are quickly able to get within 30 km of Istanbul. The military launches a coup against Erdoğan, and sues for peace. Things return to status quo ante bellum, but Greece is devastated, and Turkey is much worse off, as the Kurds haven’t backed off their latest insurgency. The war proves to be a catalyst for EU federalization.
>>64959664I think Greece should keep what they take in that situation
>>64947942Too many roaches for greeks to win 1v1. Greeks would have plenty of early success, do a lot of damage and then eventually be ground down through attrition. They couldn’t take Istanbul, too much turk inside. Their islands are easily defensible short term and indefensible long term.In short: greks either manage to wrap it up in a few months (very unlikely) or they lose.
>>64947942France would win
What are these tards mad at each other for?
>>64960747>we wuz bigger in past! gib land?
>>64960747Turks actively genocided Greeks like 2 or 3 times in the past 100 years and turkey actively claims part of Greece
>>64962048
Turks are so proud of Turkey yet they will never, never never, live in Turkey.
>>64962048>It didn't happen but they deserved it.
>>64962074Lame
>>64947942When Turkey is able to intercept ballistic missiles on its own again, maybe then they will stand a chance against Greece. Turkey is such a paper tiger.
>>64967421They arent able to on their own?
