>>64949976
minmaxing
that said you're strawmaning by conflating neutral stuff like double stack with racegun shit like ported barrel. no one serious insists on that unless they're selling it
like maybe a light is important, but that's a concrete benefit in capability
the odds of needing to use one's cc is so marginal but so seriously that it makes people a little crazy when they think about it

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>>64949982
Double stack isn't neutral though, it's just hoarder shit, like carrying around the wallet full of expired library cards and all your receipts from the last 18 months, you'll feel so much better if you just clean up, trust me

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>>64949976
It doesn't need all of those things. The sad fact is that most people are too stupid to figure out their personal situation and then decide what's best for it. Instead they're clueless trend-followers and dick-measurers. Trying to figure out what gun is the most comfortable to carry takes effort, but even the biggest monkeybrained retard can say that 11 > 10 therefore the gun with the capacity of 11 must be better.

>I'm just saying make up your mind, are you concealed carrying or are you rambo?
People don't want to make up their minds because then someone might criticize their decision which they lack the self-confidence to defend. They want to go with the flow because that's easy, it gets acceptance from the group.

>>64949994
Certifiably a stupid troll.

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>>64949976
People don’t try and use what works for their circumstances and priorities and instead want to follow trends usually out of fear. Should you be allowed to carry a pistol with a bunch of fluff added on? Yes. Is it the most effective for concealment? Disputable. That being said, you sound like you got an itch to scratch with the people here. I like my Bersa Thunder as my carry, as it fits well in my hands and I shoot it well. I’d also carry a 1911 if I did a full size. Odds are I may not get the weapon back if I use it in a self defense situation so I don’t want to deck something out with expensive fluff if I can shoot good enough without it. But that’s my situation, not yours

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>>64949976
OP is correct (and props for the pic) in his overall assertion.
For most carry *self defense* (not "i'm gonna get in a gunfight) scenarios and the vast majority of carriers, 10 rounds are enough. Even a 38 Special revolver.
And the add-ons are just more bulk, protrusions

>>64949997
>most people are too stupid to figure out their personal situation and then decide what's best for it
This obviously also

>posts a gun that sucks to carry
>heats up easily so you need multiple guns to practice
>laughably expensive
>rusts when you sweat on it
>then whines about dumb people
lol

People don’t think about the aftermath of a self defense situation, where the appearance of their weapon will likely influence a nogunz jury. Not saying you can’t use a red dot sight if it helps you shoot better, but being worried about making your gun as tactical as possible while disregarding other things won’t help you.

>>64949976
This is a pretty intense strawman; if you wanted to be taken seriously, then you probably shouldn't act this foolish, but I'll try my best.
>should have a double stack magazine
If you are being attacked by 1 person, then 5-10 rounds is enough, but if you are being attacked by 5 people then you'll wish you had a double stack mag. Let me give you an example: Have you ever heard of the rooftop Koreans. It all started during the LA riots when a gang of basketball americans tried to rob a plaza that belonged to Korean Americans. At one point they try to rob the jewelry store, and the shop owner calls his friend (the gun shop owner) for help. The gun shop owner came outside with his carry gun, a Beretta 92, and used up all 15 rounds before he realized he was outmatched and outgunned and decided to run back into his shop for some rifles. By the time he came back outside, the people who were shooting at him had fled. If he had less than 15 rounds in his carry gun, then he might've been screwed.
>a tacticool flashlight
Some people want the ability to identify targets in the dark; personally, mine doesn't have one because thankfully I don't hang around pitch-black areas at night; a police officer or security guard may not have that luxury.
>a XM157 vortex sight
No one is adding this to a carry pistol; this is partly why people think you are a charlatan.
>an IR laser designator
No one is adding this to a carry pistol; this is partly why people think you are a charlatan.
>a ported barrel
Some people want less muzzle flip; personally, mine doesn't have one.
>a flash suppressor
No one is adding this to a carry pistol; this is partly why people think you are a charlatan.

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>>64950288
I can't imagine what it must be like to go outside everyday in a constant state of anxiety over the extremely likely scenario of accidentally being in the middle of one of the largest riots in modern history, for no reason at all becoming the object of the crowd's rage, and getting swarmed by dozens of people at once while you shit your pants over whether you brought enough ammo.

>>64950320
I can't imagine living life under normalcy bias. Must be hard living life as an unironic NPC.

>>64950320
>Your example doesn't count because reasons...
So you have no genuine response to the fact that the Koreans needed more than a single stack can provide? Noted. I could mention the 1986 Miami-Dade shootout that only had two assailants; I could mention the battle of Athens, USA; the Young brothers massacre; the Hot Springs gunfight; the Battle of Blair mountain in Virginia; the Ponce massacre; the Johnson County War; etc.

>>64950285
the cc minmaxer will say something like
>you have to be alive to care about that
so in the end its just kinda whatever

>>64950380
I'm not that same anon, but I struggle to see how Rooftop Koreans are relevant. They were defending their businesses, which means concealbility isn't a factor at all, and they should have been using long guns.

>I could mention
You could mention Goetz and Miami-Dade, but it wouldn't really matter because you don't understand statistics well enough to make a conherent argument.

>>64950226
(You)'re not supposed to be firing thousands of pistol rounds/year to attain-maintain proficiency. And if you are, probably ought not be carrying a loaded gun around to begin with

>>64950414
>I struggle to see how Rooftop Koreans are relevant. They were defending their businesses, which means concealbility isn't a factor at all, and they should have been using long guns.
Like I said in the post you clearly didn't read, the gunfight that happened at the beginning was not done with the long guns. The gun shop owner who went out to see what his jewelry store friend needed only had his carry gun available to him at the moment he was being shot at.

>>64950414
>You could mention Goetz and Miami-Dade, but it wouldn't really matter because you don't understand statistics well enough to make a conherent argument.
Statistically you'll never need your gun at all. Statistically, you'll never need your seatbelt either, but if by some chance you are among the minority who do, won't you wish you had been wearing it?

>>64950424
I hope this is practice trolling and not your A game.

>>64949976
>explain why a "concealed" carry pistol should have a double stack magazine, a tacticool flashlight, a XM157 vortex sight, an IR laser designator, a ported barrel, a flash suppressor, and all the other crazy shit
Because it's cool

>>64950428
>the gunfight that happened at the beginning was not done with the long guns.
I read that. The point is that he should have used a long gun.

>but if by some chance you are among the minority who do, won't you wish you had been wearing it?
Now it sounds like you're moving the goalposts from "modifying your weapon" to whether or not you should carry at all? I absolutely wear my seatbelt, but I haven't felt the need to make any modifications to it. I think it's adequate as-is.

Because Soros specials will attack you in packs of 6+.

>>64950434
>I'm a Faggot

>>64950494
Its
>t. faggot
Good luck lil fella!

>>64949976
I just carry a 43x or 47 depending on the weather. Both stock (including plastic irons). You can just do whatever you want, including mounting minmax doodads, or not.

>>64949976
i carry based upon the weather ususally. right now it's getting hotter so i've got less and less of a reason to wear a cover garment, so i'll be dropping the glock 34 with a dot on it.
but i always carry my kahr in my pocket regardless of weather and it's a single stack 9mm with no dohickeys.

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So, the most compelling arguments so far:

-But what if one day by surprise I have to defend a bespectacled Korean guy's gun shop in South Central LA from a large number of rioters? 7+1 is totally inadequate.

-Have you considered what would happen if you needed to participate in a shootout between angry coal miners and the US army? Bet you'd feel pretty dumb then with your six shooter!

-What if I happen to befriend a gang of cattle rustlers in the old west and they are suddenly ambushed by mounted cavalry? Do you have any idea how much stopping power you need to prevent a charging horse from trampling on you?

I understand now that the most sensible concealed carry piece is the Browning M2.

Ammo isn't really a concern for me. Nearly every self defense shooting I've come across is either
1. Move to draw/draw gun, bad guy(s) fuck off
2. Single shot that instantly stops the fight be it lethal, shock value, or them decided to bleed out somewhere else
3. Full mag dump I have nothing on my mind but making sure this thing stops being a threat right the fuck now.
In any of these scenarios it doesn't really matter how much ammo you have because it's either all or nothing.
On the flip side, I do carry a USP which is a fairly large CC gun with an optic and light. However that USP is my everything gun, I carry it probably 10-11 months out of the year, it's my nightstand gun for home defense, it's what I shoot my competitions with, ect. I have a feeling that's a more common reason too.
I will admit 15 rounds may not be enough in some coordinated terrorist attacks but I live in a cornfield, I think I'll be fine and I'll just have to escape and evade.

>>64949976
>why have better thing instead of not
Better things are better. Hope this helps.

>>64949976
I carry a double stack pistol because it conceals fine, is controllable, and I shoot it well. I don't have any accessories on it, though.

>>64950470
But they won't attack you at all unless they perceive you as either a soft target or a hostile.
If you're perceived as soft, they will reconsider immediately and scatter when you prove yourself hard.
If you're perceived as hostile by a gang of 4+, you already screwed up in more ways than anyone could count, and 2-4 more rounds in the pipe won't help you when their cavalry arrives.
Don't be soft, and don't start trouble, and keep your Conceal Carry CONCEALABLE

>>64950499
Get killed Big Faggot!

>>64950581
>I don't have any accessories on it
You're a real one, anon.

>>64950615
First rule of self defense is Avoid Trouble.

Not everyone lives in the same city and moves at the same hours, people carry for different kind of threats and levels of threat. Someone might carry just to exercise his constitutional right and pick whatever gun he feels like that day without giving it a thought. Someone else might carry a 44 mag or a 10mm to defend against bears or cougars. A guy in rural Idaho can get away carrying a single stack .32 or a 5 round revolver because his biggest risk is the local drunk in his 60s that might get a little pushy when asking for money. And someone near the southern border could get jumped by a Venezuelan gang of 5-6 "youths" hopped on PCP late at night all armed with switched Glocks and Dracos. Imagine working in a remote industrial plant and having to leave late at night and driving thru a known immigrant/drug trafficking route. I'd carry a rifle in my vehicle if I can get away with it.

>>64949976
Be visibly erect always in public

>>64949976
For me, mine has a light because when I got it I worked the night shift and I still prefer to travel when it's dark out. I could've gotten a standard shield but genuinely why would I want less bullets on standby? It's already plenty light as is, able to be easily carried in sweatpants and shorts, there'd be no point in downsizing beyond just wanting to smallmaxx

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Snub nose summer carry

Double stack winter carry

Simple as

>>64949976
Specific groups of people, that there is copious amounts video evidence of being violent against normal people, tend to act in gangs or large groups. The likelihood of being attacked by a group of 20+ angry, violent, pyhcos is low but increasing every day. It's better to be prepared than dead. I don't care if my double stack, full size, duty carry, with every bell and whistle is stupid if it works when I need it to.

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>>64950713
Not to mention the increasing risk from today's modern super animals, such as the flying sq***** and the electric e** (I can't spell them out or the cancel culture people will ruin my life but I think we all know which super animals I'm talking about)

>>64950721
Urban animals are well known super predators

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>>64949976
Meh. I've had a stainless PPK in my front pocket for years. Not everybody requires a secondary that weighs 5lbs with all the extra bullshit attached to it and 15 120gr bullets in the can. I've found that nearly every jackass you'll encounter who advocates a "tricked-out" full size piece for everyday carry is generally young, new, or at most moderately experienced at shooting. Carry a pistol all the time, in all conditions, and eventually most people wise up and get something smaller, keep it clean, and find they're 1000% more comfortable at all times.

>>64950458
>he should have used a long gun.
Correct, had he known he was walking into a gunfight (that wasn't apparent until there were bullets flying his way), he would have grabbed a long gun from the very beginning; nevertheless, having a gun that held twice the rounds that a 1911 did help keep him alive long enough that he was able to go inside and get more firepower.

>>64950516
>"Strawman argument here"
The point was that you might need to defend yourself and your family (assuming you have one) from more than 1 assailant. Having 10 rounds for 1 assailant is fine, having 10 rounds for 3 assailants is sketchy, and having 10 rounds for 4-6+ assailants is a massive disadvantage.

All I'm saying is nobody has come out of a firefight saying "man look at all this unspent ammo"

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>>64951032
Fair enough, if I had to defend my family from a large mob of aggressive marihuana junkies intent on gang rape, I would definitely choose the PSA Rock 5.7 (23+1) over the Five seveN (20+1). Can you imagine stopping to reload after only 21 rounds? That would seriously impede my ability to do a proper "Death Blossom"!

>>64951140
>Can you imagine stopping to reload after only 21 rounds? That would seriously impede my ability to do a proper "Death Blossom"!
>"Strawman x2"

>>64950288
How is that proof that you need a double stack mag? He could've been carrying a six shot revolver and the only difference would've been that he had to go back for a bigger gun 9 rounds sooner.
Either a single stack mag will be plenty or a double stack mag will not be enough anyway. Can you come up with an example where shots 10-15 actually ended the fight?

>>64951369
>Can you come up with an example where shots 10-15 actually ended the fight?
Of course I can, the Greenwood Park Mall shooting. After a mass shooter attacked innocent people in a shopping mall, a civilian named Elisjsha Dicken defended himself by drawing his handgun and firing 10 shots at his attacker, who was 40 yards away. He wouldn't have had enough rounds with a 6-shot revolver or an 8-shot 1911, it took 10 shots to stop the attacker.

>>64951369
Why are you so ardent against double stacks? We live in a day and age where double stack micros are very small and roughly the same size as a single stack. There's literally no point in buying a single stack unless you just want to handicap yourself for no good reason
>It's unnecessary
Statistically so is carrying a gun and your very existence

>>64951353
Why is that a strawman? You're the one coming up with extreme outlier situations here. Being singled out and targeted by an organized group of armed assailants, like the final shootout in "Scarface". I don't know what you do for a living and I'm not judging but you might want to just spill the beans and get into witness protection.

It seems like one of the recurring, more real-life based arguments given is that there could (and have been) be situations of extraordinary civil unrest, where, despite these things usually building over days or weeks, giving you ample opportunity to flee, let's say leaving the area when things are taking a bad turn is simply not an option. Perhaps because your entire life savings is tied up in an uninsured retail shop's inventory and you just need to defend it for a couple of days until things cool down. In which case, sure, that's something you might consider standing your ground for. A wonder nine is an alright option. But surely outfitting each member of your family with their own AR-15 or PS90 would be far more reassuring, in that kind of absurdly specific situation.

But are you just throwing together every possible use case for just "having a firearm", and trying to solve it all with a concealed carry pistol? What if you're on Svalbard and all the neighbors decided to banish you and force you to roam the snowy wilderness and fight polar bears? Before you cry about strawman situations, Svalbard is a real place, with real bears. And it is a tight knit community. Innocent people have been falsely accused of all kinds of atrocious behavior. Salem Witch Trials ring a bell? What if the community decides you're a witch? It has happened before, many times!

There are examples of real gunfights in which featured multiple reloads and many non-stopping hits
I go back to the boxing principle
>being the better fighter over 4 rounds doesn't matter in the 5th
If you've never boxed, know that the feeling of being exhausted, totally sapped of energy, leaden arms and heavy legs, and having the other guy still coming at you throwing punches, well trust me it sucks
Now imagine the same feeling except it's a feral demon who wishes to take your soul, and he's still sending bullets your way, and you're spent, because he's carrying his glock fawty w/dat stendo and you're carrying your 8 shot makarov or whatever
If you can't continue fighting, and the other guy can, you basically automatically lose but by the grace of god

>>64949976
Those things are different things. They aren't more of the same thing. So they do different things. They don't do the same thing.
So there's different reasons to use the different things.
Do you understand so far? Before we get into all the gun stuff, can you tell me what the difference between a sphere and a cube is?

>>64951481
>Why is that a strawman?
The difference between 20 and 23 rounds is 15%. The difference between a 1911 with a flush-fit 8-round mag and a Glock 19 with a flush-fit 15-round mag is 87%. It is a strawman because I'm not advocating for you to carry multiple stendo Glock 40 rounders. I'm asking you to consider the fact that (assuming you are a good shot) it will take you 1-3 handgun rounds (on average) to eliminate a single threat, and there is no guarantee that the threat is singular. Another extremely anecdotal example that I know you'll ignore. When comedian "MiPanaGillito" (my apologies that the retarded spic has a retarded stage name) was carjacked by 3 assailants, the police would find him dead and his Glock 30 to be empty; 10 rounds of .45 ACP wasn't enough to defend himself (he did at least kill one of the three carjackers and injure a second one before the third one finished him off).
>I don't know what you do for a living
I'm a farmer in an area where the chance of meeting a large group of poachers who want to steal produce is not 0; with the rising prices of oil (again), all it takes is for the trucks to be late with their shipment for people to get desperate and start acting like animals. I'd be very lucky if that happens when I (and my family) am not around so that they'll just steal the stuff and leave.

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>>64951563
That's great but are you lost? The conversation is about concealed carry. Defending your 500 acre exotic wild game ranch from poachers during a famine isn't usually what people mean when they talk about concealed carry, and getting indignant about concealed carry requirements, when your needs are so obviously different, is silly.

You're probably looking for this thread >>64935682

>>64949976
There's no real reason NOT to have a double stack given that modern microcompacts are so tiny and slim. I don't have any of the other shit on my main carry (Shield Plus), but I do have a light on my G19 because it doubles as my nightstand gun.

>>64949976
I carry a snub nose 44 in my hoodie. Fuck lemmings. I get in some shit I'm going to be fine. It's already in my hand and it makes big fucking holes.

>>64951608
>That's great but are you lost?
I can tell you begged that we don't "resort to identity politics" because you were tired of being called disingenuous or unscrupulous (which you are). I have throughout the entire thread talked about situations where one might need more than a single-stack magazine, and all you do is whine about:
>"That situation is unlikely."
>"That situation doesn't count."
>"If you need more rounds you should carry a long gun."
>etc.
Newsflash, asshole, people who aren't combatants in a combat zone don't carry a long gun 24/7. The fact that I own a rifle doesn't mean I'm going to go with it on a sling, plate carrier, and 7 extra mags to pick citrus, tomatoes, potatoes, and mangoes. I'm doxxing myself by saying this, but my shit state (not really that bad, just has a few crazy people) doesn't even like open carry. They legalized constitutional carry but insist on it being concealed.

>>64949976
>double stack magazine
Because more capacity is always an advantage.
>a tacticool flashlight
So I can see what I'm shooting.
>a XM157 vortex sight, an IR laser designator, a ported barrel, a flash suppressor, and all the other crazy shit you guys seem to think no one notices sagging out of your cargo shorts
It shouldn't. A quality red dot might be nice though.

>>64950288
So he left his store, actively going towards the danger, and you think this is a good example to follow?

>>64951821
>I'm doxxing myself by saying this
You're not doxxing shit by saying that, there are numerous shit-tier states full of retarded faggots like you, and there are millions of people living in them. Stop being black.

>>64951874
Yes, when your waifu pillow gets raped and your dog is murdered, I hope you remember that you are a bitch and deserve all the suffering that occurs in your life.

>>64951608
>disingenuous
>ad hominem
>strawman
>bad faith
>racist wojack meme
Why don't you explained why people shouldn't cc a weapon that gives them many advantages over a potential unknown threat. Next you'll ask why people have air bags in their car.

>>64951874
All the stores in the plaza were getting looted; he left to try and save his friends and loved ones. Something I now understand that you don't have, as your family probably can't stand you.

>>64951876
>You're not doxxing shit by saying that, there are numerous shit-tier states full of retarded faggots like you
I live in one of the 26 states with constitutional carry, you moron. There is a coin flip chance I'm in a better state than you. If you were actually American, you'd know which two are known for oranges and which one of those has constitutional/permitless carry but bans open carry.
>Stop being black.
>"Plz don't resort to identity politics"
Pick one, moron.

>>64951913
>"Plz don't resort to identity politics"
I've never said that. I don't believe in identity politics, I believe in full on tribalism and you're from the wrong tribe.

>>64950678
>Imagine working in a remote industrial plant and having to leave late at night and driving thru a known immigrant/drug trafficking route.
Interstate 45 in Houston? You can't carry at any plants and it's a felony if you get caught due to the war on terror. They also have sniffer dogs checking things out all the time.

You aren't carrying if you work at a chemical plant. Simple as.

I mean, most people don't *need* to carry anyways. But I CC a stock 92 with a light + 2 spare mags

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>>64949976
>Without resorting to calling me a
>>woman, manlet, pajeet, ESL, brown hands typed this post
>or some other identity politics non-argument
No. You are a woman, manlet, pajeet, ESL, brown hands. Also 1st for P7 ccw.

>>64950758
>Not everybody requires a secondary that weighs 5lbs
Lmao homie my Five-seveN with a weapon light is lighter than your shit heap nazi pistol.

>>64950689
People need to be realistic with their needs. I carry a fullsize because I drive to a secure facility where it stays in my center console behind a guarded fence. I basically only need it going to my truck and going to the gas station during my work week. On my weekends I never go anywhere where I can't carry and guns are my hobby so I don't care if anyone knows I'm carrying a fullsize gun.

I'd like a snub nose 22lr for the rotation if I'm somewhere I can't carry but that's super rare as is.

If you live in the ghetto id act like the Romans and wear a hoodie and carry a Glock with a frt in 80 degree heat but I'm not at that point in my life anymore and neither are most gun guys tbqhwy.

>>64951967
>shit heap nazi pistol.
Was that necessary?

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>>64951821
Make up your mind, are you patrolling your large ranch (private property), or are you going to the movie theater downtown to watch Twilight XIV: Lesbian Vampires in Prison? Again: the thread is about what is a reasonable configuration for concealed carry. Feel free to keep on tossing in every random scenario that is even tangentially related to firearms, and you'll continue to be told your situation is out of scope.

>>64951971
It was mildly funny. But it actually is cope by people that do not own one.
I own two.

>>64951971
It's trash and I say that as someone who defends the pps despite having one snap in half on me.

>>64951993
>Cope
No it's reality. It's a glorified hippoint in function.

>>64951980
Why don't you explaine why people shouldn't cc a weapon that gives them many advantages over a potential unknown threat?

>>64951980
>movie theater downtown to watch Twilight XIV: Lesbian Vampires in Prison
How can I do this irl? Asking for a lesbian friend.

>>64952006
Generalizations are pretty gay around here.

>>64952013
Not an argument, your concession is accepted.

>>64952006
Part of the concept of a concealed carry weapon is that you make some compromises for the sake of not drawing attention to the fact that you are carrying a weapon. I know "compromises" is a scary word with lots of syllables but it's a tough world out there and sometimes we have to deal with big words.

>>64949976
The technology has improved so much in the past 10 or so years that you can easily fit 10 rounds in a semi auto handgun that's a little smaller or the same size as a 5 shot J frame.

>>64952033
>Part of the concept of a concealed carry weapon is that you make some compromises for the sake of not drawing attention to the fact that you are carrying a weapon.
Plenty of people can conceal a compact double-stack handgun no problem. Intentionally handicapping yourself when you can give yourself an advantage is stupidity, not compromising.

>>64949976
I may suddenly be assaulted by a dozen trained killers.

>>64949976
Anon, you're not going to be able to defend yourself with a Derringer. Just look at this realistic self-defense scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNuIK1hnmzE

>>64951960
>surplus german police p7e
Ohhhhh mama...

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>>64949976
there's literally no reason not to carry a modern double stack

>>64952345
Is that good or bad

>>64952349
What about not being morbidly obese

>>64952355
if you're not morbidly obese there's plenty of room in your wasteband. It's only gigantic fat lards that think pocket carry and ultra thin pistols are useful.

>>64950533
I'm in a fairly similar boat but my gun is a PPQ

>>64952264
This is a nonzero possibility!

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>>64952355
>Is that good or bad
For the $700 I gave a software nerd for it, it's good.

To be quite honest, 380 ACP is more than adequaet. 9x19 microdicks are clearly trying to compensate for inadequacies in other areas.

>>64952391
No, I married an Asian girl because I'm insecure about my micropenis, the 9mm is just because it was cheap and blowback guns suck

>>64952355
>good or bad
The best. Plus its the superior E model not that degenerate US magazine release. I bought several when they were dumped on the US market. This was awhiiile ago. The German police turned them in and HK inspected each one. Wasn't necessary. They were like new besides slight holster wear. I took three to the range at a time because they got so hot running them hard. Good times. Check out smart carry holsters, that's the best way I found to carry those goofy fuckers.

>>64952355
I don't see how 0.2" of thickness turns a gun from perfect to un-carryable by anyone who isn't a walrus

>>64952395
>Check out smart carry holsters
Noted. Thx.

>>64951967
If you missed the point by that far, it's not a stretch to figure you'll miss everything you'll ever shoot at too. Moron.

>>64952397
>0.2"
(if we're talking about the P7) I prefer the original PSP version with heel magazine release.
They're heavy (compared to post-1980s wunder-polymer frame compacts/subcompacts) but small, slick and shoot like a laser.

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>>64950499
What does the t mean

>>64952659
It verifies he's a Faggot

>>64949976
>explain why a "concealed" carry pistol should have a double stack magazine
Why would i willingly want less bullets on a life or death situation?

>>64952909
That is a genuinely stupid question. If you need more than 7 to gtfo, you're fucked no matter how many stacked mags you stuffed in your pockets. You're not a cop, or a soldier, sport. The point of a cc weapon is to gtfo of a shit situation intact, not engage in protracted combat. And everyone here advocating for an asston of ammunition for that is a snotnose dipshit.

>>64952932
>engage in protracted combat
This is an excellent point rarely discussed on /k/ or the pistol threads.
Sure in the past several decades (since the '80s) a proliferation of new higher-capacity-than-10-rds handguns besides the old-standard CZ75/Browning Hi-Power have become available and most anons on 4chan are coming from that perspective, also the entire 'handgunnery' practices and methods have changed from the 50s-60s-70s when most police officers of that era were still armed with revolvers.
But as said above, for most (American) concealed carriers that use a pistol, whether revolver or semiauto, in public self defense carry the main broad tactical defensive self-preservation principle above even the gun handling/marksmanship itself ought be:
>Avoid Trouble

In other words, especially as a neophyte or beginner to guns/marksmanship overall, the topic of
>how many rounds to I need
(or even, "what caliber should I get" etc.) ought not to be at the top of your list when trying to decide what pistol/handgun is the right one to seek.

Protracted combat, having enough rounds (to re-enact 'Zulu') and reloads, gunfighting Bill Jordan/whoever style: that can come later. When you gain some proficiency with firearms, get a better sense of what your actual requirements are for carry etc.

When carrying a handgun my activities in public are structured around the first principle of Avoid Trouble by all possible means.
other peoples' priorities tactical situation and routine activities may differ

>>64952033
Well that's bullshit. I know people that cc a fnx double stack .45 with a light and optic and don't print at all. Trying to impose the concept of compromise onto people arbitrarily to support your hollow argument is a very faulty premise in the first place. Compromise would also imply that despite what it says in OP allow the extras you put on a gun like a light, sight, and standard capacity magazine are useful and good to have.

>>64949976
>double stack magazine,
although usually only 3 rounds are fired in a self defence situation, that's the average.
so if you have a 6 shot bodyguard on average you are using half the magazine, not a lot of room for error there. Replace it with a PR-3AT and you have 13 shots, replace it with a bodyguard max and you have 10 shots.
Reloading in a self-defense situation is a bad idea and opens up the user to danger.

>a tacticool flashlight,
Self defence could be at night, you could be out and someone is stalking around your campground, or power has been cut in the location. i agree it's probably not needed but can understand the appeal

>a XM157 vortex sight,
nobody is using that on a concealed pistol

>an IR laser designator,
a simple, small laser sight can help, particularly low skilled shooters and in messy self defence situations, but nothing that large

>a ported barrel,
recoil bad

>a flash suppressor,
who has that on a concealed pistol?

>>64953093
You're correct on every point. OP is just a strawman to farm arguments because they are lonely, we're very generous for humoring them.

>>64949976
You're strawmanning. My double stack gun has none of those accessories and I carry it daily. It's also better than the P7 you do not own.

>>64953093
This.

And more importantly faggot, because it's the right of the people. I've never seen anyone except democrat voters start this argument for justifying gun grabbing. "Glock is more than you need bro".

>>64950285
>where the appearance of their weapon will likely influence a nogunz jury.

And you are not seeing the forest from the trees if you are ever in that situation. You need to spend a little bit of time being politically aware to see if you have a activist for a local district attorney and either vote out or move to a non shithole place. Also knowledge of what is and isn't legal self defense. I don't go to bars, keep to myself. Any nigger breaks into my house or tries to carjack me they will be shot and my local prosecutor will never get to "Golly gee you have some funny looking grips on that gun." because the undisputed nature of the self defense incident and correct legal analysis makes it a non-factor. Same can be said in the reverse scenario where a moron thinks they are Clint Eastwood with a gun and starts a confrontation with a nigger over something they aren't in charge of(Say not putting your cart back) and it escalates into a self defense shooting. They might have the 1800s colt single action got from your great grandfather barely works gun and it's going to trial every day of the week, even in Texas. Then guess what?

>Why were armed with a firearm while you were grocery shopping. A normal person doesn't go out for milk and take a GUN. You were LOOKING for trouble.

Nothing will make you immune from lawjew shit. Stop using MUH TACTICAL GUN JURY argument because it's braindead shit that doesn't matter if you are being railroaded. The key is not be railroaded. They will just hammer any other detail that is irrelevant and should be grounds for a mistrial. "Why don't you carry a first aid kit and trained in live saving cpr and first aid anon to render aid. Sounds like you think you are batman"

>>64952969
>>Avoid Trouble
That sounds like some gun grabbing liberal shit, real men intentionally provoke conflicts and escalate them at every opportunity. Turning a minor parking lot dispute into a fatal shootout is my constitutional right.

>>64951967
>truck gun
This is such a fudd thing to do.
>.22 snubby
Is .38 too much recoil for your faggot wrists?
>my ppk snapped in half
This never happened.

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>>64949976
>explain why a "concealed" carry pistol should have a double stack magazine
It doesn't.
>a tacticool flashlight
Most crime happens at night and the ability to ID a threat isn't a bad thing.

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>>64951032
>6 guys
If you're dealing with 6 people who are actively armed and trying to kill you, and completely ignore their friends dying, then you’re dealing with some sort of cartel death squad and you’re already dead. I've never seen any gunfight video with this sort of force outside of 3rd world murder militias, and I've seen a lot of videos.

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>>64949976
you are correct
my $200 tokarev just gets the job done
>why leave it in the glove compartment
i'm waiting on a holster and its too hot to coat pocket carry

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>>64953606
>2 men enter
>1 man leaves

>>64953597
If a guy is stabbing you, you don't need a flashlight to shoot him. There's not one single instance where a guy is a lethal threat, and you know he is, and are justified in shooting him, but can't see him without a flashlight. And you don't need to ID a threat. If he's a threat, you shoot him, it doesn't matter if you know who he is or not.

>>64949976
idk I usually just carry an sp101 .357 in a shoulder holster when I'm out working, and a bond arms .410 in my pocket at home.

>>64953641
I know we're talking cc shit but the only gun I have is my hd gun so I don't accidently blast a family member.

>>64949976
>all_u_need.jpg
Bill of Rights. Not Bill of Needs. If you can (and want) to conceal carry a double stack 16 rounder with a reflex sight and light, you can conceal carry a double stack 16 rounder with a reflex sight and light.

>>64953641
There are multiple recorded instances of people being shot in an HD situation accidentally because they were unable to identify that a burglar was somebody that they knew. You're either a child or a europoor though, so who care

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>>64955262
point being it's not really concealed at that point, of course if you want to strap a tiger stripe deagle to each hip knock yourself out, but concealed has certain requirements and wishful thinking doesn't nullify the laws of physics

>>64955301
nta but it helps if you wait until you have line of sight instead of just mag dumping at the bathroom door because you heard a noise

just my 2 cents

>>64949994
>Double stack isn't neutral though, it's just hoarder shit

you seem like someone who will not accept ANY answer.

>>64955301
>HD
I responded to a post that said CC, you illiterate fucking retard.

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>>64949994
Double stack is neutral, it's the default. Other than antiques and pocket pistols, nearly everything is double stack now. Have you ever been to a gun store before?

This gay ass struggle session of a thread is still up? Has OP made any good arguments as to why ccing a double stack is actually bad or just keeps ad homineming while telling you you don't need the things you want and are allowed to have by your God given rights?

>>64955725
>actually bad
He didn't say that, he's just making the fine distinction (beyond (You)r comprehension and of many others) that a double stack mag pistol may ? not be required or appropriate for most concealed carriers.

>God given rights
Go ahead and get-carry one if u want. OP never mentioned the 2A or muh rights

>>64952357
Is inside the wasteband carry the same thing as a prison wallet?

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>>64950285
Massad ayoob just out here sucking cocks as usual

>>64949976
You are doing just fine.

I carry a .380 LPC that i have to buy new hardcast ammo for 2-3x a year because i accidently put in a washing machine and when i'm inna woods or at walmart semi open carry a Albanian Type 54 Tok in a shoulder holster.

Guess what? I've never had to use them once in my own defence.

I've only twice in my life had to use a firearm in defense, both times ended peacably. The first was a road rage incident where a bunch of tourists were bullying a old guy on a bicycle for taking up a space at a gas station while he filled 1 gallon fuel jugs, they all backed off when everyone told them to and they realise that 1/2 the population of Jackman Maine carry guns. The other time was a drunk Karen who had a pitbull with a kevlar vest (It was her 'dead husbands service dog') in walmart at 2pm threatening everyone with it and i told her in no uncertian terms that if she didn't get her dog out of my face i'd use my Tok to shoot her first and the dog second.

A Hi-Point, LPC, .38 revolver, black powder revolver or whatever is compact and easy for you to carry is just fine, all you need most of the time is a basic pistol that you like and trust. If you like it and trust it then it works, if you want something 'better' then figure out why you want that and if it is a valid reason get it.

>>64952349
>no reason
There could still be a reason.
While the Shield Plus is obviously a big improvement on the original Shield (with only a tiny shave increase in width for double the capacity), some people still might ? prefer that tiny difference in pistol width in their carry holster.
It is true that many of the newer 'staggered stack' 10+ round micro, subcompact and compact pistols are keeping themselves slim, compared to older designs.

>>64956725
He said they're dumb. Dumb is bad. Don't white knight for a grabber.

>>64949976
>you are only allowed to carry a stripped down Glock 43
>any double stacked pistol is a full sized duty pistol
I can easily fit a Beretta 80X and a Kel-Tec PR57 in just about every pocket of my pants and shorts with and without a light and I’m just about average height and normal BMI. Just avoid those homosexual lights that are 4” long and $200 more expensive than they should be (literally $30 of components at absolute max, it’s a flashlight, you stupid cunts)
>inb4 muh recoil rated components. Fine, triple the strength of soldered joints, that’ll be 45¢ extra, you dumbshits. The real thing you need to strengthen is the switch that connects to the 300 lbs retard, not the circuit board in the flashlight in the flashlight that is mounted on the FRAME of the pistol which experiences little recoil.

The P365 makes your arguement retarded fudd. You can buy single stack thickness with double stack capacity in a micro size for less than what you think is optimal since you really just want to carry some performative old shit for aesthetics. Youre not serious about carrying.

>>64953093
>replace it with a bodyguard max and you have 10 shots.
faggot retard there's no such thing. your AI script probably meant LCP Max which is made by Ruger not S&W

>>64957136
ah, that is a mistake, i confuse those guns sometimes. becasue they are basically the same thing

>"without resorting to... non-argument"
>proceeds to insult the reader for having more than you
You're a dumb nigger and this is all the engagement you deserve. If you can't fathom why you would want every single advantage over bad people at your disposal, then you deserve neither an explanation, nor your life. Your troll thread is gay like your two dads who molest you, you penis parking garage.

This is all just a ripoff of Five-Shot Revolver Guy's shtick, down to the same retarded arguments ("There has never been a single recorded incident in all of human history of anyone ever firing more than [# of bullets in the gun I like]," and "Millions of people every day are given the death penalty for having a flashlight or a red dot on their pistol"). The only thing missing is the 360 no aim coatshot obsession.

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>>64956942
No, dumb is just dumb.
(a 'grabber' wouldn't know what OP picrel is or to have posted it)

>>64957354
>>64957400
Across the vast reaches of the incelverse, the jimmies rustled softly

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>>64957485
You're dumb

>>64957610
(You)'re dumb.
The OP topic is rustling jimmies not least yours

>>64957648
Hello OP

>le incel
Faggart of many glory-holes.

>>64957653
>>64957732
I'm not the OP.
Rustled jimmies are hilarious, keep posting

>>64957766
Its very obvious youve been posting here since Monday claiming that OP owned everyone. If youre not OP youre just a retard arguing with others for days getting mad then pull this cope when you lose another argument.

>>64957818
>'i-it's very obvious', 'm-muh retard'
Keep malding and dilating.
Refute the OP definitively or get killed

>>64957888
Nah OP we already did and you keep throwing fits.

>>64949994
>having more bullets for virtually no tradeoff is hoarder shit
Fucking retard

>>64957893
>'OP'
I am not the OP, /hg/tard
Keep coping below this line
______________________________________________________________________

>>64957895
>muh tradeoff
of what?

Be specific, larper.

>>64957897
You just keep self reporting

>>64957080
>inb4 c-c-cargo pants incel! Why aren't you wearing skinny jeans like me???

>>64949976
I think you should have a red dot on your daily carry but apart from that, most situations can be solved with <10 bullets. Just carry whatever the fuck you want, at the end of the day the main question will be whether you have a gun on you or not

>>64949976
>spergs and argues like a woman
>plz don't call me woman
fuck off retard

>>64957915
The copemalddown is hilarious and feeds me. Do not ever cease

>>64957941
>I think you should have a red dot on your daily carry
I don't but u du u

>carry whatever the fuck you want
this

>most situations can be solved with <10 bullets
That the average non-cop, non-USPSA, non-gangbanger, non-Federal-agent will ever be involved in out in public carrying, Correct.

>>64957955
A whole general lives rent free in your head little bro settle down.

>>64957986
>'l-little bro'
Get killed. And keep dilating, do not ever stop that until final breath

Calm down OP its just a bit of banter

>>64958003
Break your neck.

I'm not the OP but boy am I glad he pissed off /hg/
Get rid of that cancer and there might actually be some handgun discussion and sharing on this board

Fucking hilarious. Keep posting, can't wait for the next brand new mald nugget.

>>64958015
Why are you so upset?

>t-the capacity thread
kek

It's the Heckler & Koch P7M8 thread.

>>64958022
checked, see post below (You)rs copelet

>>64958031
I dont see why youre this mad however.

No answer to "tradeoff"

>>64958031
>>64958015
>>64957990
>>64957955
>>64957925
>>64957897
>>64957888
>>64957766
>>64957648
OP here these are all me

>>64958041
? I'm not (just enjoy savoring delectable cope), the /hg/brigade sure are seething in their own thread about it tho
Why is that

>>64958055
Where? All I see is you melting down here

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>>64958061
le meltie = every poster itt that couldn't refute the OP with a real post.

Hes spiraling

>>64958076
>i'm coping and can't stop

>>64958097
Yes you are indeed

>>64949976
>explain why a "concealed" carry pistol should have a double stack magazine
naturally because drum mags are too uncomfortable

>>64958103
>i'm coping and can't stop
We're at 170 rn want to take it to 310?
How about just keeping the mald to /hg/, take that one to 310, then make a new /hg/
And dilate some more
Sound good?
No?

Calm down OP

>>64958145
I'm not the OP.

>>64957941
It's the same as the "best camera is the one you have with you" thing. Yeah, I could take better pics with a Canon EOS R6 but if that's too much of a pain in the ass to carry I'm better off with a high end phone

There would be more people carrying if the culture supported this mentality but it's been overrun with the kind of people who collect fidget spinners and $100 thermoses, the "but what if ____" mentality is a cancer. Like how every car on the road now is like the size of an MRAP because "but what if"

>>64958205
Great post.

>>64955181
>so I don't blast a family member
If this is even a remote possibility with a weapon in your hands under any conceivable conditions, you are much bigger threat to your family than any random shit in your hero fantasies. People like you, with your ignoramous confidence and loaded firearm, are a fucking disgrace.

>>64957434
Was gonna jokingly ask if there were any /k/ furfag threads or is this the gayest thread on /k/ right now lol

>>64958357
>/k/ furfag threads
/hg/ and /arg/ 365 24-7

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>>64949976
Lemmie guess OP
you NEED more wordswordswords for your b8 thread over a simple "Lemmie guess, you NEED more?" + a ridiculous pic?

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>>64953641
>you don't need to ID a threat

>>64958570
>get stabbed
>hey, who are you??? I want to verify whether or not I should shoot you, to stop you from stabbing me

>>64955405
>point being it's not really concealed at that point
A compact double stack with a light and optics can easily be concealed. I've seen people CC larger guns without printing. Do you even carry bro?

>>64949976
OP is a noguns. If he has guns, he's a noshoot. If he even shot his gun once, he's a nocarry. I guarantee it.

>>64961112
>Have illuminator
>Use illuminator to illuminate
>Via illumination you can actually SEE the knife instead of having to FEEL the knife violently penetrating you to identify that you are in fact being attacked
>???
>Profit

>>64962633
>point gun at someone before you know if they're a threat
>they aren't
>go to prison
If you know someone's a threat, you shoot. If you don't know, you aren't justified in pointing a gun at them.

>>64962702
stop, stop, you're being to intelligent for this fuckass board.

>>64962702
>He thinks you have to point a flashlight at something to see it
Brown skin, brown heart, brown soul

>>64962702
That's what oscar pistorius said

>>64962605
>shitbox with a gob of extra shit on it can easily be concealed
An M60 tank can be easily concealed too. Entirely irrelevant to everyday practical carry, but you can certainly stand up all day long, never operate a vehicle for more than 5 minutes at a time, wear a down parka in July and put 3.5tons of eucalyptus branches over the top of your tank.

>>64953105
>them
He's just one male homosexual

>>64949976
>double stack magazine
So I can have more ammo. What if I miss because I'm so amped up? What if I miss AND fail to debilitate my attacker with the 7 rounds or whatever arbitrary limit you think is reasonable? Why not have more than the bare essentials for very little additional weight and space? It's like only carrying 1 tourniquet in a kit because "Well, if you need 2, you're dead anyway". It's an argument I can only imagine comes from an autistic urge to let the aesthetic appeal of a magazine determine whether you live or die.
>tacticool flashlight
Did you know it gets dark sometimes? If I have to shoot a guy, I sure would like to know where he is, what's around him, and be able to instantly verify it's a crackhead looking to steal my shit; not my neighbour's teenager sneaking up on me in the dark with muffins from his parents.
>sight
I can agree that needing an optic is an outside use case, but I've seen enough instances with police where a guy will pull a gun, force the cop to retreat behind cover, then run a distance only to turn and fire. I'd personally continue retreating, rather than get into a gunfight, but it still goes to the heart of the issue: I want to make the fight as one-sided as possible. More ammo, better awareness, greater accuracy.

>>64964422
>crackhead or neighbor kid
If you actually think the "choice" you made there between a crackhead and the neighbor kid, I'm afraid there's bad news for you, hero. Your toughguy jerkoff fantasies are a clear sign that you've been raised by a hysterical single mother.

>>64964514
Nta but help me out on this. Are you saying he should shoot the neighbor's kid for having muffins? Or the crackhead for stealing the recycling? Or they're the same? Or both have an absolute right to exist? I'm confused by everything in your post other than the vibe which is angry. But that's what this board is basically, just vibes. No thoughts, just vibes.

>>64964283
yeah you don't carry

>>64962702
>>64962769
That's never happened you stupid nigger. I've been in that situation before and you know what happened? I said "Shit, sorry man you scared me" and nothing else. Nobody was arrested, the cops weren't called, just a minor misunderstanding. Had I not had a light I probably would've shot my neighbor, assuming he was an intruder

>>64965170
>get home late at night after a long day at the office
>paranoid neighbor draws a gun, almost kills you
>oh sorry man you scared me ha ha! anyway water under the bridge
You ever consider that maybe your fear of getting killed by a stranger is just projection?

This thread is just a long-winded "you don't need to carry, what are you, a fag?" thread.

>>64965182
Stop projecting you stupid shit, drunk moron climbed over the fence onto my property at 2 in the fucking morning. Am I just supposed to see in the dark?

SAfag here, when does the hellcat trigger become better? I alternate training with my XD for dat dere muscle memory but the hellcat trigger is just stiff. Fed ~800 rounds through it already.

>>64965199
>muh PROPERTY
So he stepped on your lawn while drunk?

>>64965204
>SAfag here, when does the hellcat trigger become better?
Dude, you bought polymer strikerslop. The only thing that will happen to that trigger is that it will, throughout the many times it is used, become less crisp and more mushy.

>>64965206
Climbed over a fence and cost me at least 5 bucks left of cigar. Should've shot him for interrupting my payday smoke session, that's just genuinely uncool

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>>64962702
>>64953641
A weapon mounted flashlight is not a replacement for a handheld flashlight. Literally everyone knows this. You're giving away your retardation.

>>64949976
The red dot is the truth. You are living in denial.
>>64950424
>(You)'re not supposed to be firing thousands of pistol rounds/year to attain-maintain proficiency.
You are though. Tell me you aren’t good at shooting without telling me you aren’t good at shooting.
>>64950285
Post a single instance of that ever happening. I’m a cop, two years ago in my jurisdiction a guy got followed home by a road rager. The guy tried to hit him and he emptied the magazine on his AR 10 and shot the guy a couple more times with a handgun. The grand jury initially no billed it but one of the ADAs wanted to make a name for herself and sent it through a second one. He was found not guilty at trial.
https://newschannel9.com/news/local/praying-for-my-life-wife-of-catoosa-county-man-charged-in-road-rage-death-testifies-tuesday

>>64962702
Some of you have never been to a low light course and it shows.

>>64967199
He was driving with an AR-10 or he ran inside to get it and came back out and blasted the guy?

>>64967199
>patriot smokes pos spic
based

>>64967948
no, the violent spic kept harassing the guy after the road rage incident. showed up at his house twice. from the article, it looks like the second time when the fatal shooting happened was in the evening and the spic uttered threats.

>>64966471
>>64965199
Stop strawmanning, you stupid fucks. I initially responded to a post about a CONCEALED CARRY WML. You are justfied in using a WML to ID a potential threat on your own property, not outside of your property. Not once did I criticize carrying around a non WML flashlight.

>>64967948
He came out of the house with it after Pedigo showed back up the last time. The pistol was a Glock 21. The AR-10 and Glock were both returned to him after the trial.

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>>64949976
>Literally anything beyond a 9mm compact with a single stack magazine is dumb

Indeed. I've had a Michigan CPL for 20 years now and started with a Glock 23, which lasted a week before I switched to a .380 Makarov but even that was too big and heavy, so a month later I bought a North American Arms .32 Guardian and have been happily and conveniently carrying it in my back pocket ever since.

Concealed carry is all about ease of carry, you're not going on a building clearing mission in Fallujah, it's for when a crackhead at arm's length tries to mug you at the gas station.