>NFA general threadITT talk about suppressors, launchers, SBRs, etc.Just got an MCX and shot it with my Surefire RC2. It was a miserable experience.Anyone have any experience with the Huxwrx Flow 556k? Is it really as loud as people say? Does it hold up with full-auto/FRT fire?Also for those with launchers, what rounds would you recommend printing for affordable 40mm?
>>64955436>40mm?isn't that a 37mm?
>>64955464I bored it out to 40mm and registered as a DD, but it was originally 37mm
Form 1 silencer just hit 49 days in queue. Fuck this gay earth.
>>64955476Damn, wait times are up again? They got down to a couple days at one pointConsider yourself fortunate though. My first suppressor took over a year to get approved
>>64955476>>64955481Could this be due to people getting their refunds and bogging the system down?
>>64955481One of my buddies started a form 1 around late January I think and it still isn't approved. I keep giving him shit that he should've done it last year even though he only got his rifle lower this year lol.
>>64955436Noguns thread alert>>64955464>>64955475>>64955546Fuck off glownigger honeypot, SHALL
>>64955475no you didn't. Can see no visible rifling at the end. I own lots of 40mm and I own that 37mm and can state that you did not.
>>64955574Ok.
>>64955436why do idiots who buy cans always go for the meme flow-through cans instead of an adjustable gas block and a better sealed charging handle/RTV trick?
>>64955608>adjustable gas blockBut then id need to get rid of my front sight. I do have a gas busting charging handle though. good enuff
>>64955592lol, those can't handle 40mm pressures you fucking retard
>>64955615jp makes an adjustable fsb gas block.https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003364111/
Hughes repeal when?FRTs make the common use argument.
>>64955615adjustable FSPs exist
Anyone know a good source for 37mm and 40mm barrels? I want to piss money away on dumb projects that have a <50% chance of ever getting finished.
>>64955436I have a huxwrx 556k and yes it loud but you shouldn't be shopping for a 5.56mm can based on decibels. It's all loud since the round is super sonic. The thing that I love the most about it is the fact that I don't get any gas in my face whatsoever out of my 14.5 BCM. I didn't have to tune the rifle after putting the can on. I just screwed it on and that was it. I don't have any experience with full auto so not sure about that.
>>64955625>>64955632Oh thats kind of cool actually. Not a fan of how the adjustment is since i know that style can get seized up, but I guess it wouldnt matter all that much since I keep the can on pretty much all the time.
>>64955624It’s bored out with an inserted launcher pope 40mm barrel blank you fucking retard. It can absolutely handle the pressure. Source: it has.How can one person be so confident about something and be so fucking wrong?>>64955608There’s only like one adjustable gas block for the MCX and it’s out of stock :( didn’t think the gas from the RC2 would as bad as it was. I do have a sealed charging handle ordered, but that’s jus a bandaid for being overgassed
>>64955637Launcherpope for 40mm>>64955641Have you heard of the SAW Tisha? It seems like whatever they did blew the rest of the competition away in basically every metric. Once they come out with an inconel version I think it’ll be great
>>64955696nta, wasn't there a pretty big issue with the tishas recently?
>>64955700They shipped out a bunch of blems that broke in half in transit apparentlyAFAIK they recalled and shipped replacements to those people though
>>64955696Yea I've heard of it. Would it pretty neat to own but I don't intent on having to need a full auto rated can. I think if I ever have a real world need of it I have bigger problems on my hands.
>>64955730The huxwrx flow 556k is full auto rated though
>>64955758oh shit is it? I had no idea it was. I just bought it cause I didn't want to eat gas all day
I need a lighter 30 cal can. Also need to update this photo apparently.
>>64955481No? Ive gotten 3 stamps approved since mid-january, 1 MG (HK sear), 1 suppressor (surefire socom RC2), a SBR (HK 33K host). Started another SBR (MKE AP5 host) and MG (guide lamp M3 grease gun) today, expect to get approval by next week at the latest.
>>64955787How... how do you get anything out of there without it all toppling over?
>>64955561>t.
>>64955814How do you even get MG's approved? Don't tell me you're claiming to have spend like 100k on sears in the last 12 months.
>>64955820you take a few guns out and lean them on the wall 2 inches away anon.. its a safe not a fuckin armory rack, it's probably bolted to the floor and also weighs 500 lbs, its to keep people with anything short of actual safe cracking tools and skills from getting your guns and supply of dragon dildos and CUM LUBE
>>64955848I meant the guns, not the safe. It looks like a house of cards.
>>64955835You submit the paperwork.It's a simple fucking transfer.
>>64955574NTA, but goddamn anon. The low pressure part of the high pressure low pressure setup is like 4k PSI or something like that. 12 gauge birdshot is a magnum round compared to it. They'd make the barrels out of aluminum if the rifling would stand up to engraving the driving bands.>I own lots of 40mmSure you do, Rajeesh. Sure you do.
>>64955835I've been collecting MGs since 2005. Yes, I spent 90k on transferables in the last 3 months. Here is the hk sear. The grease gun will be number 18.
>>64955855>It's a simple fucking transfer>...I spent 90k on transferables in the last 3 months
>>64955873And just to flex, there are 15 other MGs in this safe. The only one not shown is the Reising M50 because it's being repaired (rear of bolt sheared off)
Is there any reason to not form 1 everything I have now that I've gotten a suppressor and tax stamps are free, besides travel?
>>64955629Literally never, the richfag boomers with pre-86 transferables would block it out of sheer spite.
>>64955905TRUKE. They literally did this in Florida for no other reason than all the rich old boomers who ruin the gun market down here were going to lose their shirts on FRTs being made legal, so they expanded what a "bump stock" is by definition to include literally any sort of device or accessory or anything that can make you semi-automatic weapon shoot faster.
>>64955852Honestly like the other anon said. I pull out guns and lean them against the shelves or something until I get to the gun I want. I've re-organized it since that photo and added at least two more guns. It's not any better of a process though.
>>64955873>>64955889What do you do for a living? How can you afford all of these?It’s a very impressive collection, but why? Especially now that FRTs are so common. And don’t try and tell me that there’s a big difference because I shoot machine guns for a living and own multiple FRTs and they’re >just as good
>>64955831t kike glownigger bastardSHALL
>>64956036Not that anon, so I won't presume to speak about where he gets his money or what his motivations are, but one of his hobbies seems to be buying things that he enjoys which happen to also be assets that appreciate in value over time. I hope that anon chimes in with some more details, but that answered most of your questions, more or less.
>>64955905A handful of boomers don't dictate policy.
>>64956514
>>64956518I mean ones with transferables dingus. They hold little to no political power.
>>64956036I run a department for a small engineering firm in the south.I never married and I have no kids.I paid off my mortgage and I paid cash for my car. Plus I have other investments.I enjoy collecting and shooting firearms, that's all there is to it.
>>64955436If I buy a pistol and SBR it, can I turn it back into a pistol?Can tax stamps and trusts be taken care of at a LGS?
>>64955696>>64955700>>64955713Bro SAW is already on life support. Don't be recommending their shit. https://old.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/1rmsvdc/took_delivery_of_my_saw_shiv_9_today/https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/1rjxqbu/saw_and_tisha_updates/https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/1rls28l/saw_capitol_armory/
>>64956063calm down schizo
>>64957178It seems like they’re at least taking care of the customers that got the bad products. Once they figure out their manufacturing kinks and start making stuff in inconel, they’ll be solid.I’d definitely buy one of their cans if it was steel. Maybe the second batch though lol
what is the most cost effective supptessor design that can be produced on a large scale that someone with just a cnc machine and a modest amount of investment money could dolike would getting a lathe (maybe cnc controlled) be cheaper than making your own stamping/drawing dies?
>>64958549>supptessorwell now god damnit now i just look like a fed or an idiot
Bump
>>64955436Go back
>>64959666Because people who have suppressors and destructive devices are all from Reddit?
All my Rs have S Bs
>>64958549Probably one of these shitty Chinese baffle stacks. There's another design out there where the baffles are individual units you drop them into the tube, then screw on the end cap.Honestly, if they ever took silencers off the nfa, it'd be real cheap and easy to just make a 3d print farm to churn out pistol caliber cans en masse since cf nylon filaments now have a reliable track record.
>>64956513I hope machine guns gets legalized tomorrow and all his investments turn to dust, fuck the gayTF
Luv me destructive devicesEven if one of them technically isn't a DD as it isn't a Cobray Street Sweeper, I rebuilt it so it's manufactured by me and named the SS12. Registered anyway oh well.
Has anyone who already has an NFA device recently done any forms? Have a buddy whose paperwork is taking forever but i' wondering if its just because its hus first time. I know the ATF is swamped too. Thinking about filing another SBR and I'm wondering how wait times are for anyone else
>>64962143My KAC can took a week
>>64961831>reliable track recordfor all of like 12 shots
>>64955608>better sealed charging handle/RTV trick?Maybe I'm giving away my million dollar idea here but why aren't either DIY guides or companies exploring 2 part materials? Way less stinky and cured on day 1. Can't get silicone to re-stick so 2 part silicone is out almost immediately but a channel and drilled holes at most will let soft urethane stick well especially with added adhesive and it makes great gaskets, replaceable, even. At most, a company needs a pressure pot and maybe a vac pot to make the molds in the first place. That's literally like $300 with the cheap Vevor stuff. The rack to hold a bunch of them in a pressure pot while they cure would be more of a concern to me equipment-wise than anything else.
>>64955625>The gas flow is adjustable via a set screw on the side, allowing the amount of gas to be tuned to any specific ammunition.I'm gonna steal this idea for when I put a reflex silencer on an A1 upper and save $143. Also A2 vs A1 height IIRC. Not that it'd matter because I want a Colt 4x or a starlight. Or say fuck it and go 656 style with a modern scope.
>>64955625Fuck my pic>>64958549It absolutely requires stamping but PLEASE anon, I beg you, look at how old Maxims are made. My vintage 22s are suffering without having them readily available.
>>64955608Fat nigga i aint reading that shit
>>64961876Would it be retarded to throw a salvo 12 suppressor on one of these? Is there any “cylinder leak”?
>>64955436Bawnjarno
>>64962680What are you shooting with those? Got any good 3d models for rounds and shells?
>>64962706That drum is 55lbs of pure CS powder, enough for 11,000 of these
>>64962862
>>64962648Very, and there is a fuckton of gas even without a can. If you're not wearing sleeves it slaps you raw. Now having said that, I have a salvo 12 and have looked into doing just that. Unfortunately the guy who threaded one of them threaded it to Americhoke threads and silencerco doesn't make an adapter for that. Was very upset about it.
>>64962903Retarded minds think alike I guess. Thanks for running down the same idea I hadStill want a striker though
>>64955481Last i saw it was getting above 30 daysFeels bad, but my last suppressor took fifteen months lmao
>>64955889Do you need a husband? No homo
>>64955905The number of people than own transferables is so small it’s practically zero.
>>64957137>If I buy a pistol and SBR it, can I turn it back into a pistol?Yes, you can contact the ATF and remove the SBR from the registry.>Can tax stamps and trusts be taken care of at a LGS? Tax stamp yes, the SOT will handle the paperwork for you. Trust in general, no. You need to establish one yourself if you go that route. Individual is faster approval though.>>64963334Thanx bro, but my hand is good enough.
>>64962143Form 4 took 3 days with the ATF. That was about 3 weeks ago.
>>64955889hell of a collection you got there. Is that an ar-180? Love to see it.
>>64965946Yes it is, good eye!
>>64965946Technically an original Costa Mesa AR18.
>>64959831Not him, but I assume its because this thread is about something that is exclusively American and also involves having/spending lots of money; so since most /k/ shills are non-American and poor, (and brown) they hate the idea of this thread.
Eform form 1 trust, Submitted 1/18 just got approved. Close to a 2 month wait.
>>64967038I’m waiting on a Form 1 as individual submitted 1/20. My last Form 1 came back in 5 days.
any good alternatives to the flow762ti?
>>64968637Never got the appeal of barely-SBS shotguns, 14+" doesn't seem worth the effort to me unless it's for historical or accuracy reasons.I've got a few SBS (sxs sawnoff, Auto 5 whippit, KSG NR, Saiga 12 krink, KS23) but they're all properly short.
Thinking about making another SBR. Already have a 10.3, what should I choose between 11.5, 13.7, or 14.5
>>64955873>>64955889This nigga livin on the side of the earth.
>>64970586NTA but 14-16" would be about where I'd like my one or two "practical" shotguns if just for length reasons assuming the NFA didn't exist. Any shorter and the mag tube needs to be shortened (though for hunting this doesn't matter because capacity regs). About 12" or so for 22s. Frankly most shotguns would benefit from a good side folding stock, though Benellis I'd go collapsing for aesthetics alone. The amount of space you save when carrying any long gun innawoods with a folding stock is insane. Can't say what you lose in pattern and/or speed at certain ranges though. Oh also proper 15.4" Vz. 58s when? Maybe if SBRs go fully stamp free. Then again people were paying stamp plus a couple hundred for fucking XM-177 moderator repros lol.
>>64968637I really want to SBS a Benelli M3
>>64955873Grease gun Form 3 approved on Monday. Gun shipped Tuesday morning. I filled out Form 4 on Tuesday afternoon. Form 4 approved Thursday afternoon. Gun arrived at SOT on Friday. Picked up Saturday afternoon.
>>64955561BASEDOP is not only a faggot, but a fucking .gov worker, which makes them subhuman.
>>64972004Wut
Wat is eforms
>>64973318Would have been nice if the entire gun was in the picture.
>>64955436I'm genuinely torn between buying a 22 or can or a Colt Walker repro. Can anyone recommend somethings good for 600 bucks or less? I'm not picky about weight or size, I'd just like a movie quiet 22
>>64973341Just get whatever pew science says is the quietest
>>64973341What gun are you putting it on? Rifle or pistol? Rifle is ez, pistol depends on barrel length IMO.
>>64973341Anon?
>>64974068>>64977324Too late, bought a revolver. Guess I'll have to wait next month for can budget. I want a rifle can though, something for a bolt action 22 so not exactly the most difficult host to work with
>do a form 1 (SBR) and form 4 (suppressor) at the same time>suppressor is approved in 4 days>form 1 is still out in the void at 48 days now and countingWhat the fuck are these monkeys doing? If you did a background check and approved it for one item, what's taking so long for the other?
>>64955436Do TMAGs feed in your MCX?They don't lock back in mine even on adverse gas but everything else runs fine.
>>64977971I think they send out approvals in batches, my suppressor got approved after about two weeks
>>64977334SIG SRD 22x is decent, IIRC $400. Problem is fixed base so you have to go fishing for the baffles if they get stuck. The wrench is some of the cheapest nylon I've had the displeasure of seeing and I think plastic is completely inappropriate for the teeth of a wrench as every slip strips the teeth more. Slightly worse first round pop compared to the next IIRC. Mask HD 22 is nice but is ~$600. A lot more palatable of a price with no stamp on top, however. Both endcaps come off, can be dumped in an ultrasonic IIRC. Comes with a great metal wrench but it's just a puck. No keychain loop. Damn good lack of first round pop. 22WMR and 5.7 rated. The Sparrow 22LR is okay; hard to tell but I think the SIG is better than it even after hearing it in person if just slightly. Maybe a slightly worse first round pop. Might prefer the SIG for performance but IIRC it's supposed to be easy to clean. Not sure what ammo was being used in the Sparrow; think it was whatever 1000-1100FPS subs that guy had. Can't think of more I've heard. I know I've heard one on a MK IV but I don't remember the silencer. Best I've heard was the Mask and I've heard and shot it on a bolt action before I had any of my own.
>>64977334Fucked that up. My ranking from best to worst for clarification:>Mask HD 22x>SIG SRD 22>Sparrow 22LRIf you really want something nice and shoot it a lot, go with the Mask or something like it. The SIG is decent but cleaning can be annoying. The Sparrow is cheap, IIRC aluminum so not ultrasonic safe. Supposed to be able to wrench the baffles out if I'm thinking of the right model but fuck if I want to deal with variable baffle spacing each time I reassemble; I have enough variables to worry about on my high round count hunting rifle as is.
>>64977982Ya the Tmags ran fine. I had zero issues and they locked to the rear every timeDo you get gassed out with that setup? I’d like to suppress my MCX without feeling like I got sent to the gas chamber
>form 1 denied because LGS put the wrong manufacturer (they put the importer)So now I have to start from fucking scratch. Great. I'm convinced they make this entire process slow and irritating on purpose.
>>64978729Huh, had trouble with them in my Block 2 as well.It’s pretty gassy but it’s just suppressed piston guns man. These old SIG cans are gassy as shit as well. Dreamy to shoot the combo though.
>>64956684>I never married and I have no kids.Damn. I should have gone gay like this dude. Can buy so much on the income of two men.
>>64979125I’m trying to get one of the adjustable gas blocks, and I don’t *really* want to have to buy a new suppressorI heard CAT makes some good low back pressure cans though
>>64979316Is your gas block not adjustable?The new NG/SLX cans are nice, but very heavy.Idk why everyone freaks out about the Hux cans, I think it's just because they're cheap and 3D printed, while everyone else's flow through 3D printed cans are fuck off expensive.
>>64979975It’s adjustable, but even on the low setting I still get gassed out with an RC2The Hux flow 556k is still like $1,000 and loud as fuck. Suppressor tech has advanced since then for around the same price
>>64980190Yeah I mean, that's par for the course with most suppressed guns with closed suppressors, especially an RC2 that was designed for early DI guns that weren't properly gassed for shooting suppressed.If you don't want to get gas in your face, a flow through can will mostly solve this, but piston guns suppressed are going to be gassy regardless. Most every "combat" tuned gun is going to be wildly overgassed anyways for reliability.
>>64980275And that’s what the omega valve adjustable gas block will solve for the MCX. I just need to find one in stock. I guess they’re restocking in April though
>>64980488>omega valve adjustable gas blockRather worrying footnote on the product page saying the gun "may not cycle" unsuppressed with certain ammunition.RC2s are gassy man, it can't be solved by shooting all the reliability out of the front of the gun.Just get a flow through can if you hate it. My Block 2 shoots gassy as fuck with a RC2 on the front.
>>64980526Have you ever used an AGB? You just have to tune it to the point where it works both suppressed and unsuppressed. It doesn’t make the gun unreliable. The omega valve has 4 settings, and they’re easily changed just like the stock gas settingsTake for example the KNS gas plug on the AUG. It has like 20 different settings. Once you dial it in, it makes recoil much softer, and it is reliable with and without the suppressor. It’s also easily adjustable without tools like the MCX one
>>64980631I mean yeah, you're just not going to find that point where the gun runs perfectly without overgas with every type of ammo. I'd rather just have the gun be like it I have it now, where it's a little gassier than I'd prefer, but it runs suppressor or not with whatever shite I feed it unless I use TMAGs >:(
Bros, if I have an 11.5" AR pistol and I throw a folding stock on my pistol brace. How safe would my dog be?
>>64984209When you have $0 stamps and the only cost is laser engraving, why? Unless you're in a fucked up no fun state that hates SBRs or something then I guess that answers that.
>>64985261You don't understand why someone wouldn't want to let a government agency that historically has been anti 2A, know they have a weapon of any type?
>>64985377>implying they don't already know exactly what you havewhy are you even in this thread? you filed a 4473 when you bought the lower, doesn't matter wtf configuration its in, legal or otherwise... they know what you have. you're literally just cucking yourself.
>>64985377nigga, they know exactly what you have, that's the paperwork you filled out when you bought the gun dipshit
>>64985705>>64985890Thank you for answering my question. This community is strong together.
Form 1 can finally got through at 52 days. They didn't even give me that gay little note to comply with engraving requirements.
>>64986129What are the new engraving requirements? I have an SBR and SBS and I never heard about anything like that
>>64986176It's the same engraving requirements as before. It's just normal procedure for them to make a "conditional approval" pending engraving for fully home made guns and silencers. The conflict we're having now with printed silencers is whether printing the serial directly on the can complies with atf's requirement for "in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed". If it is, then it saves us the trouble of having to embed a metal plate for engraving.
I am having some 3 lug woes rnI have a MKE AP5-P with a nice leber lower frt setup, its bitchin and works great, I am just running into a few problems mounting my can.I have an Silencerco Omega 9K with a Silencerco tri lug mount. I have no issues mounting the mount to the can at all. The problem is attaching the mount to the lugs on the barrel of the gun. I was able to slide the mount onto the lugs of the barrel with what seemed to be a reasonable ammount of force, however there was no spring tension pushing the can towards the front of the gun like I had expected. I am able to twist the can into the locked position, but there is no spring tension keeping it there, and the can is able to slide back and forth with no tension. When I twisted the can back out of the locked position and attempted to remove the can+mount combo from the barrel, I was unable to. The can would slide forward in the unlocked positon to the point where it was nearly off, but it would meet a wall of resistance. I tried pulling on it but was unable to remove it. I was advised to knock it off with a nylon punch and a mallet, and I was afraid to break something if there is mechanical resistance, but it actually came off with a bit of light knocking. What is my problem and what do I need to do to fix this?
>>64989627I have the same setup on my SP5. It sounds to me like your AP5 tri lug might be out of spec, or more likely your silencerco mount is out of spec/brokenI would just contact silencerco for a replacement or something
>>64955436[a very quiet, distant, silenced] Bump.
>>64986176Yeah don't lmao no one ever checks
Ree Stealth Additive is shitting the bed hard. No Inconel Tisha worth a shit any time soon. Ridgeback is taking their time with Rhodie 30 cal Inconel... And Jaguar still hasn't made a 30 cal Inconel Fatty can.Are there any good newer 30 cal Inconel K sized cans? >>64989627I have the exact same setup. No issues. Make sure the thread protector on the barrel threads isn't interfetterencing with the ID of the tri lug mount. Make sure the tri lug mount itself is lubricated and actuates and returns under spring pressure by itself (use a screw driver or something to compress it on a bench). If issue persists yeah probably either the tri lug barrel is out of spec (roach spec), or potentially the mount is out of spec from SiCo.
>>64955436What would be your first dip into NFA if you had none and were starting from absolute square one? As in I dont even have a host for a can square one. Anything I could put a can on would need new muzzle device or threading. Tempted to get a Ruger Mk and getting a can, seems pleasant to use and many of the Mk nowadays come with threads.
>>64994924I don't really think there is any one answer, seriously anon. You can do more mainstream stuff or you can be a fucking weirdo like me who's first NFA weapon was a Maxim 9. It basically depends on what sort of shooting you're into, just figure out how to optimize that.>you like prs/bolt/huntingIf you enjoy manual guns then I'd probably start there, just because you can ignore all sorts of things like back pressure and pick any decent can and get a great experience and something real quiet. Possibly the easiest best first experience.>you just have a normal AR or whateverIf you use that a lot go with that, but take a bit of time to learn about back pressure and if you don't have an adjustable gas block study that a bit. Not every can will run well, have to pay a bit more attention.>handgunsCan part is easy, probably need a booster.>22Lots of fun, can get hollywood quiet, more cleaning.If you have the dosh then sure, suppressed Ruger Mk will be a great time. But I think most people just focus on improving whatever they already shoot the most as the first step.
>>64994924First step would be getting something that can host a silencer, then getting the silencer. I bought an mp5k clone just for that purpose, I suggest also getting a pistol caliber carbine, they’re pretty fun.
>>64980631KNS are a bunch of niggers, the AUG piston is ALWAYS out of stock. Fucking dick heads.
>>64994924>What would be your first dip into NFA if you had none and were starting from absolute square one?Factory SBS rem 870 police magnum, pre cerberusFactory SBR colt 6921 or 6933, pre CZ
>>64995188Ya shits hard to get. If you don’t snatch one within like 2 minutes of them coming back in stock they’re gone. I got mine by stalking their page daily for weeks. The AUG subreddit is pretty good with restock notifications as well. Good luck. It changes the game with the AUG
>>64994741Ya I gave up on getting an inconel Tisha, at least until they figure their shit out. The QC is absolute trash. Even their new cans after the crack debacle have horrible finish and the print quality is really badPulled the trigger on the Rhodie 6. I’ve only seen glowing reviews for it
>>64994924Suppressed 9mm PCC. You will get the most bang for your buck. They’re cheap to shoot and fun as fuck
Does anyone have the form1 suppressor guide that was posted some time ago? I know it's similar to an sbr, but it had some helpful comments for the >I do not own any components I do not know where I will obtain them but here are some example photos questions
>>64961876was picrel in 2020? I think I was there
>>64996369Sure was.
>>64994741>>64989933you guys are retarded, i just took it on and off a bunch of times and now it works fine, apparently MKE goes heavy on the paint on the barrels so once it rubbed off a bit of paint (no actually metal material, it works fine
>>64997274It's not paint.It's powder coat.
>>64955608Shut the fuck up sandnigger
>>64955608Why do poor people pretend like anybody cares about their opinion
>>64986332they've approved all 5 I've submitted where I describe in detail how the text will be printed directly into the can, so they don't seem to mind too much
>>64955436does every new gun now need a rear charging handle and a forward assist in order to be taken seriously
>>65000774Some fag on plebbit got an approval with a note saying that a serial on polymer doesn't comply with the marking requirement. Looks like it depends on the agent you get, because the gayTF can't get their shit straight.
>SIG M400 Tread v2 doesn't have an adjustable gas blockI'm really new to the whole thing, but that doesn't sound good since so many sources of information talk about adjustable gas blocks when using suppressors. How important is it, especially if it's ideally going to be used with a super safety?
>>64977971>>do a form 1 (SBR)Why even bother doing this anymore? There are less than 3k BATFags in the entire country. You’ll never get in trouble for not paying a literal $0 tax unless you do something exceedingly stupid. If you attach your silencer to your SBR then you’re within the 16” limit prescribed by federal law anyway (pin and weld requirement is ATF fanfiction and nowhere in the actual text of the law passed by Congress).
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>>64955436>MCXCringe>ML37 swapped out to 40mmBased, redpilled evenMy contribution: 81mm mortar>>65001253Super safety will want a heavier buffer anywayPut a tubbs flatwire in there and a H2 (maybe h3) buffer and you will be happy. You can RTV mod charging handle for no gas in facet. Shoot m16s with cans all the time, never adjustable
>>64958185>taking care of the customers that got the bad productsmax kekhow the fuck would this garbage be sold as "blem"?
>>65001679Its cosmetic bro!The stresses!
>>64994741You have to lock every lug individually, to prevent any mechanical infetterance.
>>65001679I’ll be honest, my post did not age well in the past two weeks with all the new cans that got fucked upThat being said, the cans they sold as blems didn’t have cracks like that when they were sent out. They cracked during transit due to not being heat treated properly, or SAW not knowing how to use their new machines or something. Same issues started popping up with shivs and other Tishas for the same reason.The whole incident made them seem incredibly incompetent and amateur. Even the cans I’ve seen that are “good” have had really bad print quality.To their credit though, they did recall all the fucked up cans and gave those people free inconel cans or free 22 cans. They’ve handled it much better than CAT or Dead AirObviously I’d still wait like another year or so until they figure their shit out.
Im about to do my first sbr, do I really just get my finger print scanned at the ups store?
>>65001795Wait you can do that at UPS now?
>>65001843For over 20 years now, yes. Not all locations offer the service but they've been doing it since shortly after EFTs became the norm for the FBI, early 2000s.
>>65001996Well fuck. I’m retarded. I’ve been going to specific fingerprint places to get the FBI cards
>>65002755You can order them for free from the ATF too. But digitize them prints sooner rather than later for easy mode.
>>65002780Can I get digital prints from UPS or do I have to get my own fingerprint scanner?
Is it worth selling my transferable or have FRTs tanked select fire AR15s value?Havent looked at the market in awhile and will just sell it and build an FRT rifle.
>>65003089UPS will email you prints. Alternatively you can do it at home. If you've got an iPhone, use https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nfa-suite/id6756673313 If you're the right type of nerd you can spend nothing and use https://github.com/Robbbbbbbbb/EFTSuite-Public/ That's what I did, with a Sharpie, a plain piece of paper, and my phone camera.
Just got my fingerprints converted to .EFT after doing it the boomer method for the longest of time.Does the ATF throttle, deny, or ignore your form 1 applications if you submit too many? I’m about to try and apply for suppressors (with slight trivial variations so as to not be “duplicates”) in the most common calibers and multiple times over
>>65003187>Does the ATF throttle, deny, or ignore your form 1 applications if you submit too many?Nope, they all just go in the pile one by one like any other.
>>65003197Thinking I’ll make applications whenever I’m bored at work. Cannot believe this stupidity has existed since 1934 and it hope the system cracks under the pressure
>>65003204Keep them inundated.
>>64996275Reposting
>>65003157Transferables in the long term are a better investment. The next administration is very likely going to direct the ATF to "reinterpret" FRTs as machineguns as the legality of FRTs hasn't been determined despite what some guntuber grifter will tell you. The ATF accepted a settlement because it's likely they will lose in the current SCOTUS and the fallout will reach far beyond FRTs. Whenever the SCOTUS or POTUS changes everything will be up for litigation again. Transferables are protected by a law enacted by congress so they are much harder to repeal and are less likely to be challenged.Only collectors care about transferables, it's unlikely the collector market is affected by FRTs as they are not a substitute for the real-deal. After people get a taste of FRTs, the administration changes and things get banned again who knows, maybe a lot of rich kids who were not in the market will be interested.
Took the street crack to the range, first pistol can. POI shift and change in recoil was insane. Reliability was perfect but it was in a beretta so I may be able to get away with taking out the booster. Also kept trying to come loose every dozen rounds or so, probably because of the o-ring behind my muzzle threads. No clue how well it actually suppressed because I was doubled up (indoor range). It did gas me out once seemingly at random but wasn't bad at all outside of that. Overall 8/10 fuck me that thing was expensive will withhold final judgment until I can shoot trash with it in the woods
>>65001703Yeah most models have one key for all three lug locks but I think some tri lug mounts have three separate unique keys. It just depends. Hopefully anon can figure it out kek>>65001715>free inconel cansSourceNot bad if everyone got a replacement Ti Tisha and a COMPED (sushi) Inconel Tisha
>>64955436When it says “large magnum pistol primers” for this beehive round, what does that actually mean? Which primers am I supposed to use?
>>65006017How much of a POI shift is "insane"?I too have a 9mm suppressor (Mojave 9) and sometimes use it on my Beretta M9A4. Shooting at roughly 25 yards has a about a 1" shift. I didn't try shooting with the booster removed. Typically, if the suppressor weighs more than 7oz, then a booster is really required for reliability on the Berettas.Regarding the loosening of the suppressor, put a dab of anti-seize on the threads and lightly snug it with a spanner. The chief engineer at Dead Air had a forum post somewhere saying that (generally) for any suppressor over .22, it's a good idea to snug it a little with a tool. I noticed this was contrary to the user manual, but as long as you're not putting in a lot of force, it should be OK. And typically the orings aren't used with suppressors.
>>65007619It means use Large Magnum Pistol Primers, anon.
>>65008199Hey, thanks for the tips. I'll see about getting a spanner and some antisieze for next time. >How much of a POI shift is "insane"?Over an inch downwards at 7 yards, but now I'm wondering if it wasn't just meGot an optic that can clear it on the way so I'll be able to test again then
>>65007619Large pistol primer is the sizeMagnum means more ass so it can push the firing pins. A normal LPP will be less reliableYou can use any brand they all the same size>>65009143>>65008199You guys indexing your suppressors to get that POI out of them?
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>>65005834I thought the ATF couldnt pull that shit anymore now that chevron deference is gone
Anybody use eftsuite? It looks like it doesn't include the "slap" prints only includes the rolled individual fingers. What exactly is required for a form 1?
>>65012631I used it, had no problems.
>>65012643Mine doesn't have that did you use the dockerhub image?
>>65012652I'm still on 2.0.1, looks like it was deprecated in 2.0.2. I guess I should feel lucky that I got all of my approvals so far, might be time to do a fresh set of prints.
>>65012663Do you know anything about why it would be deprecated? the readme still says "Select your desired print type. We recommend going with the ATF-complaint Type-14 records, as the rolled (Type 4) are not used by the ATF."
>>65012671>>65012663found itits been readded to 2.0.3 but its not on dockerhub yet
>>65012701Oh okay, that's less concerning.
>>64955436>Huxwrx Flow 556kNot quite, but I've got the Ventum .30 cal and I love it.
>>64955436If you could only have one can for use on a USP Tactical .45, an MP5K and a P-10C, what would it be?
>>65013002yeah
>>65013002Long can on mp5k sucksShort .45 cans sound like shitSome sort of modular .45acp suppressor, maybe the obsidian 45 even if its not very goodInstead a normal .45 can and an omega 9k or cgs mod 9sk would be cool
Are cans hard to maintain? Would i regret getting a suppressor for a dirtier ammo, like .22lr, over one in .308 as a first buy or is it really not that much of a hassle?
Is the SBR paperwork tied to pistol transfers?If I bought a handgun and want to SBR it, should I transfer it to myself before SBR'ing it or does that not matter?
>>65013002Literally every single person that buys a suppressor for multi caliber use like this regrets it.
>>6501425222lr cans are a good bit easier to service with can cleaners and ultrasonic cleaners nowDepends how much you intend to shoot and how user serviceable the can is.>>65014279You cant file the form on it until its 4473'd to youSo do that first.
>>65014307Appreciate it, i know its not legal advice etc but I could not find an answer to it and felt harmless enough.
Is it better to file as individual or trust?
>>65014374Good policy as wellMaybe you get the gun and it physically doesnt work and you just stamped that serial numberSo you send it to mfg under warranty, they replace serial number entirely with a new unit.Womp wompWas far more of an issue with 12mo waits and $200 fees but still a major headache>>65014376For form 1s your trust name is likely smaller and less obtrusive than your name.For form 4s its a wash but does help with red flags, divorce rape and other issues that may occur while you are alive
>>65014396Do you recommend going through a lawyer for trust or just going cookie/cutter online gun trust and calling it? I mean honestly I’m not likely to face most of those issues, but it seems to be good insurance and less hassle to get it done now vs later.
>>65014420Be honest with yourselfAre you buying a half dozen transferable machine guns or like 3x SBR'd ar lowers?I wouldnt spend time planning a proper estate planning tool for like a bunch of SBRs
I made a mistake getting a 30 cal can instead of a 9mm can when I rarely even shoot my AR, now it shits gas in my face and I don't wanna bother tuning it. Should I just get a cheap 300blk upper to throw the can on and leave it by my bed as my home defense so I can at least pretend to justify my purchase?
>>65014420I have done both personally, one in the super early hayday of gun trust mania and one last year.Honestly? They are pretty similar, it can be nice to have a real lawyer local you can ask questions too, but the online company I went with for the new one had actually been great about answering questions so even that benefit seems to be drying up.
>>65014620>AR30cal can on an AR is lower backpressure than a .223 can due to overbore. You should RTV Mod your charging handle, put in a H2 buffer and a flatwire spring. That prescription is like 80% of ARs on the market.>300300blk is going to be even worseMajority of them are gassed to allow subs so with supers feel like shit and subs are still going to gas you on an improperly tuned gun.
>>65014252>Are cans hard to maintain?No, absolutely not. For a typical modern centerfire suppressor you just weigh it when you first get it and write that down somewhere. After like, 5000-10000 rounds or something it'll eventually get .5-1 oz heavier and then it's cleaning time. Dump it in a tube of CLP, let it sit a day or two, drain it, then shoot a mag through it. Done.>Would i regret getting a suppressor for a dirtier ammo, like .22lr, over one in .308 as a first buy or is it really not that much of a hassle?22lr will require more cleaning sure but of course the cans will be made with that in mind and easy to take apart. If you're shooting bare lead you will have to care more about the waste and wearing gloves and such. Still no big deal but your call.
>>65014443Amd65 Ps99Maybe an arBunch of cans.That’s about it.>>65014633Any online that’d you recommend?
>>64977982is the upper rail on that MCX monolithic? it looks higher than a normal AR. sig mcxs have always intrigued me but im a lefty and scared of gas. and i like my IR lasers staying zeroed.
>>65014066I see tons of people talking up the Obsidian, what sucks about it? Just the level of reduction compared to other options or what?
>>65015591Every single one ive seen ended in a baffle strikeEither cursed object or something defectiveIt is kinda big as well
>>65015605NTA but what do you think about the Obsidian 9 instead of the 45? Any different with the odd baffle strike thing? It was recommended to me but I can't say I feel like I know much vs my probably limited 22LR knowledge: real world experience of that is literally like 5 silencers with one duplicate model (plus two 30 cals if not limiting to 22lr), though I'm still SOMEHOW in the top 10% of knowledge for my area, lol. I feel buying an Obsidian 9 may be a good choice but like my 22LR choices, I'm likely to get a slightly shorter fatter model in the future and use what I have on a 22 mag or other 22. So, I'd probably get an Obsidian 9 for my MP5 now and then a fatter shorter (but still comparable in sound) model later and the Obsidian would go on a handgun or something.
>>65015574The upper receiver rail extends about 1/3 of the way down the handguard, but you can also get an Arisaka clamp that clamps the handguard to the rail with more authority, lasers stay zeroed in my experience with that $45 part.
>>65012643>>65003174Did you print a FD-258 or just go straight on a sheet of printer paper?
>>65015868Sheet of paper, sharpie, cellphone camera. Did a bunch of prints then cut and pasted the best ones into a single picture and used that.
>>65015724Obsidian 9/45 sucks because they're adjustable length. You lose weight efficiency due to the extra threads (when compared to a tubeless fully welded design). And youre also doubling the chances of a baffle strike, because the second section can come loose independently, even if the can seems tight.I am a big fan of the omega 9k (mine just came in last week) for pistols and PCCs. If you want ultimate suppression get cat mob. I'm also looking at the EA Sonus 9k which is a bit longer than the omega, but can take wipes.
>>65015874ok I had bought cards and an ink pad I fucked up a few of the cards so I just went ahead and did them all on a sheet of printer paperwas it for an sbr? how long did it take to get approved?
>>65014855My online one was from national gun trusts. Usually they have pretty frequent sales as well should you desire such things
>>65016000Silencers, numerous since Jan 1st, earliest one took 25 days, most recent took 55. We're well past the initial surge of new applications this year, just waiting for them to get caught up.
>>65016537Bless to 8th generation. I’ll go that route.
Capital armory is really good. Wish they had an NT4 in stock.
>>65018709I'm debating getting a milkman the next time they are in stock, but I doubt it's worth it since I already have the GSL fat man
>>65015970Didn't even think of the convertible length/internal volume thing or the additional thing to come loose part. Makes a lot of sense; I tend to paint marker things to make sure they stay put and to keep an eye that they ARE staying put. Not sure if I'm crazy about fully welded but we'll see. I need an ultrasonic anyways.
With Griffin Armament Bushwacker with minimalist flash hider on a Marlin 1895, with 11/16 threads, in 45-70. With suppressor on, at 50 yards, getting ~6" shift in POI (hitting high from point-of-aim). Using accuwashers to rotate muzzle device 90 degrees, the POI shifts 90 degrees but still ~6" off. Taking out the baffles and endcap shows no sign of damage. Reassembled baffles not in the order that I took them out just to see if it would change anything but no change, still ~6" off, and after dissaembly again no sign of damage. Does this situation still sound like a baffle/endcap strike/graze?
Serious questionHow are you ok with essentially registering guns to the ATF and giving them your name and address?Even with 0 dollars this shit feels uncomfortable
>>64968637 Very based shotgun enjoyer. Every time I think off getting more than my one can I wind up finding another SBS I want. Next purchase will be a 9mm can, probably an R9 for an SBR. >>64970586>It’s only 4 inchesUntil you work with one indoors routinely for from a vehicle. All of mine hold 4+1 but feel like night and day when compared to an 18”. >>64971110Fucking A
>>65022313I served in the US Navy, get VA benefits (I'd rather have pain-free joints but it pays my bills) and I've filled out 4473s, if they government wants me it's too late for me.
>>65022287Poi shifts are real, the fact that it moves relative to the index of the gun seems like a good sign. Are you shooting supers or subs?>>65022313I buy too many guns online for me to believe my payment processors and emails are not being mined for the data, the gov does not know all my purchases but certainly enough sadly.
>>65022342>Poi shifts are real...I expected POI shifts but 6" at 50 yards seems to be a bit extreme which has got me worrying that something's off, like the threads are just off enough but not catastrophically. It was doing it with supers and subs, 2 different brands of lead hardcast and with copper jacketed. The only other things I can think of trying would be opening up the endcap larger or getting a 11/16 to 3/4 thread adapter and their direct thread adapter (if they're ever back in stock).
>>65022342The farce of “no registry” not to mention all the Palantir data vacuuming has probably more data than we can imagine. I don’t like the idea of registering but I’m glad to be in a state where I can. >>65003187I paid $50’to get copies of my prints only to realize like a rested you don’t need them for a Form 1. >>65001311As a former Fed who made the wrong enemies, don’t underestimate the lengths and resources the .gov has to fuck with you on the off chance you’re in the cross hairs.
Thoughts on the Gen12 shotgun?I *really* shouldn’t be looking for another gun, but a short suppressed mag fed shotgun that’s made in the USA is appealing to me
Has anybody SBR'd a Draco? Whats the deal with 922r compliance? If I fill out a form 1 and get it approved does that make it illegal? I read pistols don't have to comply but when turning it into a SBR it does...
>>65022545No one gives a fuck about 922r except for importers.
>>65022313I mean, I'd rather not have the NFA but all the guns that anyone registers as an NFA device usually require a 4473 anyways (assuming it's not a used private sale gun) which is totally not digitized and searchable guize. If it's a pistol, I have to fill out a 4473 no matter what and also have to fill out a PA State Police form which is totally shredded after 30 days guize (ignoring the fact that several guys have said the handguns you own pretty much pop up with the rest of your info). The NFA is basically just another list on top of all that shit. 4473 is "a list" depending on your definition. Your state may have "a list" depending on your definition. The NFA can be "a list" but so what if the others are also "a list"?>essentially registering guns to the ATF and giving them your name and address?And the revised 4473 that moved certain info all to the front page that includes your address, name, type of gun, and make of gun doesn't feel like that to you? Form 4ing something gives the same info, just with a picture and prints. You already have a photo ID. The prints are really the only "new" thing.
Rugged Obsidian or Dead Air Mojave for .45 ACP? This would mainly be for a USP Tactical. Money is a factor but not a big one. I can see >>65015605>>65015970That some people don't like it.Opinions on the GSL Phoenix?
>>65022840I would rather not give a short dick desk jockey fed with a complex a reason to shove his whole arm up my asshole
>>65022287That's super weird; could the face of the barrel behind the threads or the rear face of the silencer be skewed? The fact that it moves when shimmed makes me think it isn't the rifle (ie. front sight or tube mag overhanging the flat face). Do you have a concentricity rod? Huxwrx has decent ones for reasonable prices. Are your groups awful? Barely grazing or getting super close does that; I had a 22 silencer do it but it was my rifle. Not a mark inside the thing. Is there an o-ring still on the barrel or something silly like that?
>>65022911I don't think anyone has literally 'ever' been brought up on charges for 922r compliance. There are hundreds of thousands of rifles across the country that aren't 922r compliant.>legal rifle>insert foreign-made magazine>ILLEGAL RIFLEThey can't hire enough people to track and prosecute this. The purpose of the law is simply to raise the price of guns, which it has already accomplished regardless of whether you later swap out parts or not.
>>65022439>It was doing it with supers and subsDang, supers can do funny things if they are just barely supersonic so I was wondering. I assume you don't have an alignment rod or maybe I missed it?If you are not seeing any evidence of strikes I guess I would not worry about it, but can always hit up the manufacturer to see what they say
>>65022973>I don't think anyone has literally 'ever' been brought up on charges for 922r compliance. There are hundreds of thousands of rifles across the country that aren't 922r compliant.Really what im more worried about is taking a pistol that would not be compliant as imported and converting it to an SBR
>>65010233they cannot, he's just a booty blasted "investor". Of course certain desirable and collectable models will still maintain plenty of value even if machine guns were fully legalized tomorrow, but a lot of the the class three slop that exists only "because full auto" is gonna lose a ton of value.
>>65022313People become complaint. Its a humiliation ritual that mostly yuppies follow. Feeding the bureau is something people like to do I guess.
>>65022961Groups were OK, I wasn't trying super hard with open sights, but the groups were all together. Made sure there weren't obvious burrs on the barrel face behind the threads but how would I go about testing for concentricity or flatness?>>65023034I did check with an alignment rod, wasn't dead center but wasn't touching the sides either, per the manual looked like "acceptable" alignment. But that's the thing, if it was a baffle strike wouldn't the POI stay in the same place and not rotate 90 degrees with the muzzle device position rotation?
I have an AR lower I want to turn into an SBR, can I do this all online?
>>65022851To add to your good post:>The prints are really the only "new" thing.Right and worth noting that simple ink based prints like those are basically worthless anyway. Not that fingerprint based biometric id isn't already becomoing obsolete regardless, but all the quality sensors for that do 3D scanning. Fingerprints are meaningless junk identification in this day and age vs everything else the government and corporations do for tracking, it just seemed super cool and advanced back in the 1930s. If anything we're pretty fortunate the NFA is stuck in time or they'd be asking for DNA or something serious instead of the joke paperwork.
>>650223131. How is it even meaningful? I've filled out 4473s. I've also bought guns or gun parts with credit cards, online. Like, shit dude, 4chan itself has advertising and in turn probably trackers of some kind, unless you're being pretty careful you even being and posting here is a data point in some database.2. Unironically the best defense is more people doing it. A "list" is only special and meaningful if it's a small minority of the population. Like, the "list" of all American gun owners is over a hundred million fucking people dude. Which also means it's not actionable, there's no meaning in a list that is "basically everyone in this rural area". If the list of NFA people is a few tens of thousands sure, that's something in theory, all practice aside, but at least in theory government could go after somehow. But if the list of people buying NFA stuff expands to "sizable fraction of all gun owners" then that just tells the government that it's serious political power now. They don't have infinite resources and staff (and competence).
>>64955476You’re probably up soon, my recent form 1 took 54 days iirc
>>65022887I've heard good things about both, moreso the Obsidian though. Personally, I have an AAC Ti-rant 45 I dig a lot.
>>65022887The reduced back pressure on the Mojave is a massive improvement and worth it.
>>65022520I shot in that configuration the other day at an nfa event and I was pretty impressed by it. They only gave me low power slugs, but it was very neat. Was also impressed by how decently effective the suppressor was, even indoors. Just get one with an actual stock, the pdw stock is very gay unless you like getting slapped in the face by a metal rod.
>>65022520>Thoughts on the Gen12 shotgun?>I *really* shouldn’t be looking for another gun, but a short suppressed mag fed shotgun that’s made in the USA is appealing to meit might be fine but it just makes me more depressed again about the six12 dying. remain convinced personally that revolver fed is fundamentally superior to mag fed for shotties since it means you get to use all the fun weird loads available instead of just buck or slugs. but definitely better to have something that isn't turkslop then nothing so still glad they did it.
>>65015724Dan is right echoing my omega9k suggestion. If you REALLY want you can buy an o9k and a obsidian as they do share pistons and whatnot but really man its not worth it.>>65022520OverpricedXbox hugeBuilt kinda poorlyLots of people digging them for AR controls being the standard post GWOT but nothanks(tm). Even as just a purely fun trash shooting gun id rather a vepr>>65023641Short of gathering fingerprints, yes
>>65025492After shooting my Benelli M4 with a suppressor, idk if I can ever go back to non-suppressed shotguns.Were there any reliability issues? I know that turkshit mag fed shotguns are trash, but I’ve heard good things about the gen12>>65025520Trust me I wish the Six12 was still a thing too anon. Maybe someday.>>65025726>doesn’t like AR controls>recommends AK controlsRight.Definitely overpriced, but I haven’t seen anything about the build quality being bad. Is it really that big? With a tiny barrel and suppressor, it still looks carbine length
>>65026008>Right.Its not that I dont like AR controlsIts rather I dont think having your shotgun controls match your rifle controls is such a a key requirement. This was the justification given by a couple agency adoptions but>too dumb to own two sets of controls>smart enough to breach/LL with shotgunSeems thin to me. Like I get it, people are raised on M4s now not shotguns but shiggitydiggity do how do you do anything in your job if this is the case?>build qualityIts a lot of hex screws and AR derived components on a gun with way more recoil than even an AR10, shouldnt come as a surprise.>is it really that bigIt feels bigger in the hands than a vepr with the same size mag imo.
>>65025726>AR controlsFrt status?
>>65026142Been done befo/10
>>65026079>>65026142>FRT statusAFAIK you can throw a super safety in there and it’ll run without any issues>controlsYa I mean I agree. I think requiring AR controls because they think their operators are too retarded is stupid, like what we did with the NGWS. That being said, compared to typical shotgun controls, and AK controls, normal AR controls mogUnrelated, worth getting the dedicated stock for the ML37? What are you shooting with it
>>65026188>normal AR controls mogTrue>Stock for ML37Yeah it rocks, very sturdyI printed a TPU buttpad for them thats significantly thinner than the like 2" of closed cell foam that comes with it. I then cut the bottom of the stock rail so you can just rip it to deploy vs fiddlefucking with the latch.>ShootingSome PD rounds I developed, smokes, flares, cs, bangs and beehive.
>>65026241>VERY fast grenade moving at incredible hihg speed>Those pixels4chan doesn't even appreciate good photography any more. >>65026008Which shotgun suppressor do you have? I want one.>>65023077>"investor" Boomers "investing" in various bullshit whether guns, cars, or whatever have you is something I hate vehemently. >>65022520I wish it didn't look so fucking ugly and dumb.
>>65026008Couldn't comment on reliability, just that it ran a 5 round mag fine. I didn't see anyone else shooting it when I was there, people were more interested in AR suppressors and speaking to vendors. I'd agree on it being a fat pig around the upper though.
>>65026241Might pick it up for when I don’t have it mounted on my AUG or MP5>>65026314Salvo 12. I love it. It’s heavy as fuck with the 12” config, but fun to have a hearing safe shotgun. I forget if I have it in the 6” or 8” right now, but it’s very funI actually like how it looks. Very overbuilt and chunky, but not too bulky like the Tavor shotgun>>65026365How heavy was it?
>>65026453>I actually like how it looks. Very overbuilt and chunky, but not too bulky like the Tavor shotgunI agree with you actually, though I do wonder what they could do with current 3D tech and CFD designs. Given the kind of improvements in suppression we've seen feels like you could get 12" baffle performance in 6-8" worth of 3D can. Would lose length adjustment but might be worth it.
>>65026453Subjectively to me it felt like an sbr AR with suppressor, light, laser, and magnification. Maybe a touch lighter.
is there any reason at all i couldnt take a registered NFA weapon to an armed protest, like a grenade launcher or one of those AZAO rpg look alikes with a live chalk trainer round>fedi dont care, its legal and thats what matters
>>65026499Faux bomb threat/public disturbance laws in your area might be applied depending how gay the area is even if round is entirely inert.t. Bothered by cops any time they see a casual RPG user at the range
>>65026505fuck i guess i'm retarded for not thinking of the possible bomb threat partmy mind just equates big rocket launcher with being a big small arman underbarrel launcher would probably be fine atleast since its common enough but i get the feeling that a police officer would treat it differently depending on whether he finds out its 40mm and not a normal 37mm
>>65026499>is there any reason at all i couldnt take a registered NFA weapon to an armed protest, like a grenade launcher or one of those AZAO rpg look alikes with a live chalk trainer roundThere is nothing special about NFA weapons in that regard, it's the same as anything else. A weapon is a weapon in that context. You'll need to be as careful with an NFA weapon as with anything else around laws like brandishing/threatening, time/place/manner restrictions etc. But if it's legal for someone to be carrying an AR15 it'd be legal to carry a suppressed one or SBR or DD or whatever else. The only difference is you should almost certainly have a copy or print of your stamp paperwork with you. And you should know thoroughly state and local laws on it.As a practical matter I'd be cautious about bringing anything particularly nice to any sort of big loud massively recorded event like that, and be extra cautious about any ugly behavior from those around me and about my exit routes if that happened.
>>65026505>>65026516Yeah this too, if you had a literal RPG or the like that could maybe hit different local laws. That's really specific to where you are and what the circumstances are though.
>>65026516I know buddies who have carried beltfeds and whatnot for the lulz but id avoid the indefensible. Most places have criminal code that generally: forbid faux bombs causing a public panic, bringing a real/faux bomb into a public place or otherwise using one for gain/intimidation. These exist to scrunch people robbing banks with fake bombs and claiming they were actually "unarmed" and prosecute the women who was asked to leave a """'suitcase""""" in the lobby that just happened to be a device. And not like LE are going to appreciate the 10,000 phonecalls of>hes got a fuckin missile launcher at town hall!!!!!
>>65026188>it’ll run without any issuesOh no my wallet might be in trouble
>>65026526this is also one of those situations where if i were to call or email law enforcement to ask if it were technically legal and they say yes i still run a fair chance of getting arrested anyways by cops who have no idea about the exact peculiarities of the law and it takes you like 5 years to finally get your toy back when you could've just brought any old rifle with you to the protest and be completely finenow i do support people exercising their rights to the fullest extent but i dont want to sacrifice a $5000 launcher and be known as the guy in my family and friend group that got arrested for allegedly having a ""bomb"" strapped to my back
>>65026540Right, really it's a practical matter double issue:1. Like you say, the specifics of the law would mean you get your fun back and no prosecution, but it doesn't save you the raw hassle.2. More generally ANY really fancy thing seems stupid to bring. Like, I wouldn't bring a high end bolt gun either these days. Everybody has phone cameras, everyone is taking pictures all over and posting them all over social media. Hundreds/thousands/tens of thousands of randos will see it, AI will categorize it, etc. If you carry something worth high 4 figures or more, you never know who might notice that and know or figure out who you are and now know you are someone with something valuable and potentially significant other assets.So like, a cheap range blaster suppressor on an AR? Sure, whatever, even if it's an "NFA weapon". But something gucci or rare or whatever? Eh.
>>65026532>These exist to scrunch people robbing banks with fake bombs and claiming they were actually "unarmed" and prosecute the women who was asked to leave a """'suitcase""""" in the lobby that just happened to be a device.also panic in densely packed places is no joke. people have been killed in stampedes and shit, plus calling in a bomb squad ain't free. understandable people would want to discourage it even if it was just kids thinking they were funny or doing it for the ebin insta upboats or some shit.
>>65022520Why did you do this to me anon, I'm really interested in this now, how well do they run? Can I shoot bird shot out of the suppressor and do clays with it? I know some cans are ok with it as long as I use specific wads >>65025492Just to be clear you mean one of these models instead right?
>>65027431It was this color, just with the collapsing pdw style stock of the one you posted above not this Ar style.
>>65027821Oh sorry I mean this type of stock to meet your comment of >actual stock vs the comments on a pdw stock.I had been considering a shotgun suppressor for awhile but this seems like it might be the right choice.
A lot of interesting 556 suppressors came out over the last year. So many are not yet listed on pew science. Have any of you guys invested in a relatively new low backpressure suppressor and was just blown away by the overall performance?
>>65029882Not at 5.56 but on a br I swapped from a fairly high bp 30cal can to a hux flow 762 awhile back (when there were fewer options, now you can go way cheaper and by justasgud) and it was a very noticeable improvement despite me having a 6pos block and some tuning. The noise in theory should be higher and I tried them both on a bolt gun and it was noticeable, but on a semi the flow felt as good. Maybe because the operation of the rifle is actually kinda noisy too and reduced bp reduced how hard shit was slapping around? Or it's just harder to notice +/- 10 db when you're dumping rounds, first round pop also matters way less vs a bolt. Massively reduced gas face and dirtiness are QOL improvements that might not be on the spec sheet but are nice.At any rate I don't think I'd say "blown away" but "definitely satisfied" would apply. I'd hoped for improvement, and it delivered. If I switch to 300bo I'll be curious about how it works with subs, I'm not worried about perfection and since I'll be using a lot of supers too it'll still be helpful but will also be interesting to test them both.
any rpg/any explosive launcher owners here delve into live registered rounds instead of just firing training rounds? do you make them from the ground up yourself, reactivate old ordnance, or have a source for ones you buy on a form 1?i know theres binary ones you can buy out there but i dont know too much about it all
>>65030265and also theres the question of the fuzes, its one thing to have a binary explosive of some kind that you can mix and go without needing to have a magazine to store it, but you cant store fuzes eitherall i could really think of to meet the requirement of having to make the fuze on site is something using percussion caps or blanks, but would that even work for tannerite? and most binary flash powder seems pretty volatile to be shooting out at 300 ft/si guess you could use black powder as an explosive too but i'm not sure i would be comfortable with trying to explain to an atf agent how i arbitrarily bought a can of black powder for normal shooting use and then just suddenly decided on the spot it would be the right filler for a registered rocket after i so happened to bring it with me to the place i shot it at
>>65030265>>65030298Most people are building their own and filling them with a binary mixture to get around explosive storage, transport and sale regulations. There is also the concept that most people are too stupid to correctly handle explosives and as such those who are making their own rounds are likely to only hurt themselves most of the time.Sometimes people recycle fuze mechanicals such as the form 1 grenades using recycled grenade mechs or mortar shells with m524 pd fuzes. All of these are basically just the mechanical components, no energetics. >Blanks or percussion caps on tanneriteNot reliably. The AZAO rocket stuff is super sketchy and uses a floating base det mechanism containing a couple rimfire rounds against sensitized binary explosives (ammonal with a higher alumnium ratio) to pop. Their 40mm stuff is shotcup based idea they robbed off someone else and is insanely stupid unsafe. The proper way to do it would be an actual mechanically sliding safety mechanism at a minimum, with ideally a small carrier of shake and bake initiator you could mix on site.
>>65030398i thought AZAO's stuff looked sketchy, i guess i was righti wanna learn more but as a kid i got told stories about like how if you google "how do i build a bomb" the fbi will show up knocking on your doornow thats (probably) not true now that i've found out you actually can build a bomb with the right paperwork and you can buy shit like tannerite but it made me cautious of asking the wrong questionsso what in your opinion would be the best way to fuze an rpg 2 grenade while getting around storage lawsthe sliding safety method like you mentioned seems solid with some extra steps for safety, like one of these ww1 artillery fuzessometimes they have pins that only break with considerable force from hitting a target, pic rel where they arm from the force of being shot out, or something that blocks the fuze until the inertia from spinning forces it outi just dont know what would be doable for me, i atleast have a milling machine and CAD skills but i'd be looking for a way to make it as time efficiently as i could (because why spend 30 hours on a single fuze when you want atleast a dozen to make sure its reliable in testing and a few for the real things) while still being safe and robust
>>65030472then theres also the issue of the fact that some fuze designs killed plenty of artillerists despite being made for the military and having safety mechanisms in place
>>65030490this one is probably the funniest example i've seen
>>65030472You should probably continue your journey of researching how mechanisms work and then use your cad skills to make a 3d printed prototype or two. Then performed staged (primer only) safety and handling tests. Before moving to live fire primer only and finally remotely fired full charge units. Good news is that you dont need to worry about stamps until final step.>Pins that breakShear pin*>Safe and robustYeah thats a factor of knowing what youre doing and hopefully staged testing will get you there.
>>65030559what fillers do you recommend, because i've heard tales of arabs making improvised tannerite mortar shells and the end result was them blowing themselves up from the force of launching, and flash powder sounds like it'd have the same resultblack powder is safe and reliable and in the quantities used in a rocket it'd be enough for a good boom but i see it as my last resort option, but i believe its better than common smokeless powder since it burns quickerthen are any specialty rockets at all possible while still meeting binary requirements, like thermobaric or HEAT, which would be a lot more practical to have than just plain explosive or shrapnel rounds
>>65030559cautiously optimistic about the PSA x570 and being able to build a shorty that takes short shells
well heres an example of an improvised IRA shell that used plastic explosives and a .22 bullet to detonate itits questionable whether it worked, but is it possible for a .22 to detonate a high explosive then?i wonder how well HELIX could work
another question i have is about spigot mortarscant really register them with the NFA if they don't have a barrel that can be over .50 cal, and so even if the shells were a large diameter, it would make no difference since things like rifle grenades dont turn your rifle into a DDi wonder if theres a market for this sort of thing that i can tap into, selling spigot mortars and non explosive shells like trainers and smoke
>>65030559It’s a damn shame the guy who made these hated them because I still want one especially since the AOW stamp is now $0. I’m going to go with a sawed off side by side since I can’t find anyone who makes this, but come on there’s a reason why these sold as well as they did even as an NFA item
>>65031369The Serbu Super Shorty? It was discontinued because the margins kept getting worse and he couldn't "afford" to make improvements to it because the price was already too high for such bad margins. He's working on a new version based on Turkish hardware.
>>65031385Forgot the thing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAoXph0mSE
>>65031390>availability>mentions nothing about availability>no mention (that I can find) about release anywhere elseI’m tired of the vaporware
>>65031405He mentions it frequently, it's in active development. Tiny company, no R&D department, no deadlines, when the old man is happy with the design and supply is lined up he'll announce the release date and price.
>>65031405Mark is severely autistic and basically just flies by the seat of his pants. He's a good egg at heart though.
>>65031405engineering something people want while trying to make money off it as a one or two man team is really damn hardits not the overall design that's difficult its the trial and error in the details that get yout. trying to make my vz58 frt design not vaporware>>65031412setting deadlines is the worst design flaw you can havebuilding hype is important but i feel like i just keep constantly disappointing people who are keeping tabs on my effort, they would've been happier and i would've been happier if i just took my time
>>65031412>tiny company, no R&D department, no deadlinesI’m not here to discredit our man mark I’m just never impressed when any company with the aforementioned credentials has it “in the works”. I want to be delightfully surprised though
>>65030711Getting a bit too specific, you need to spend more time researching and learning before you can even follow a prescription given by a 4ch post. Youre on the right track you just need to do like 10x the amount of reading you're currently doing>>65031369Mine isnt even made by mark serbu but the company wont make anymore because the liability issues with this short of a shotgun. I understand this, ive let people borrow my faux supershorty to breach a door and the blast overpressure is so great its left a foot long bruise on their leg. Now thats an improper technique thing because ive hit countless doors with it and am still in one piece.>MarkBut mark is way too busy making a bad .50rifle vs making the super shorty literally everyone wants. Bravo nolan!>>65031385>He's working on a new version based on Turkish hardware.I wouldnt trust a turkish shotgun with this sort of shit.
>>65032790yea you're right, i guess explosive ordnance is just one of those things where doing it safely and reliably is entirely situational to whoever's making iti'm more at this point just wanting to discuss the different possibilities and how viable they are for my situation rather than just wanting to be spoonfed an end all solution
>>65014280Alright, in that case what’s your recommendation specifically for the USP45?
What are the current recommendations for a wipe suppressor? I'm looking at an Gemtech Aurora II right now but I'm open to others. It's going on a 1/2 x 28 handgun
Ive heard conflicting info about what to put in the description under line item for a SBRIve heard you need to put what will be engraved into the receiver, a description on what you plan to do e.g. "once approved i will purchase and assemble etc", or I can leave it blankWhat has everybody else done?
I didn't want to engrave my name as an individual manufacturer on a Form 1, so I asked a friend of mine who is a SOT to register my AP5 as a SBR on a Form 2, then engrave his FFL name on it and transfer to me on a Form 4. Super easy and the Form 4 was approved in 4 days.
>>65034598Happy for you, anon.
>>65034463I leave mine blank for sbrs. On a side note, the description box is absolutely and verifiably retarded when you do silencers. They want several sentences worth of gay information but limit you to like 140 characters.
>>65034643what kind of silencers have you made? I have a lathe and would like to make a few but don't know where to start design wise are there machining blueprints online? Is it even legal to share prints online?
>>65031412Nta but also needs to move to a new building within like 40 days still with no new building in sight. So that's fun.
>>65034693There's 3d printable suppressor files online now so I don't think sharing prints would be an issue since it's protected by the 1st amendment. (I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice)
Do you know where you can find prints?
>>65035420Some UPS stores can do digital prints and you can get the file emailed to you.
>>65035541blueprints for a suppressor not fingerprints I used eftsuite for that
