Stg44 in 308. Would be cool
>>64956515I guess
Isn’t that more or less a G3?
speaking of the G3, how much lineage do things like the G3 or the CETME actually have from the STG44 and 45?are the actions even the same or similar?
>>64956603No it's more or less the FN FAL.G3 is the STG 45>>64956634STG-44 and 45 are different guns designed by different men for different companies
>>64956634>from the STG44Very little.>and 45Quite a lot. The G3 is a refinement of the 45.>are the actions even the same or similar?The 44 is completely different internally, closer to an FAL than a G3, as >>64956653 pointed out. The only thing they share are some superficial features that the G3 inherited from the 45 (e.g. disassembly via detaching the stock and the pinned trigger group).
>>64956662 (me)>disassembly via detaching the stock and the pinned trigger groupNow that I think about it, I the Stg-45 wasn't made with that arrangement. The former Mauser engineers probably took that from the Stg-44 post-war.
knowledgeable people ITT it seems so let me ask, was 7.92 k kind of a bad cartridge?I'd always assumed that it was basically the forerunner and had nazi arms industries survived they probably would have replaced it with something similar to 556 or 7.62x39
>>64956672That's how I understand it. It was a stopgap measure that would have been replaced as soon as they had the time and resources to develop a proper intermediate cartridge.
>>64956603CETME technically.
>>64956672You do know that Nazis invented the intermediate cartridge right?
>>64956672Actually disregard the retarded thing I just said
>>64956672>kind of a bad cartridgeDepends on how you use the term bad I guess. It's a late 30s/early 40s design, made when people still lacked experience with intermediate cartridges and were mostly w experimenting. It also never got truly refined further, to the point of being produced, so it obviously lacks in comparison to later designs.Obviously in 1943 everyone would prefer getting a mkb with 7.92k over most other guns.Any theorizing is purely speculative but considering both NATO and the USSR switched to 5.56 and 5.45 respectively makes it reasonable that the nazis would have come to the same conclusion.Especially because afaik, and correct me if I'm wrong, the difference between 7.92x33 and 7.62x39 isn't that great. Even more so if you consider the post-war designs by CETME engineers to improve it directly,well and their 7.92×40.
>>649566727.92 kurz is literally 7.62x39 just loaded a bit weaker.
It's called the AR-10
>>64956705Not even close.
>>64956705>>64957816That's mainly a matter of definition.There are technically earlier rounds, like the 7.63x32 Mannlicher or the Italian 7.35x32mm, maybe even .32 wsl, which have intermediate size. Those generally weren't thought of as intermediate cartridges the same way that we think of them now though.It's a bit like how the STG is considered the first assault rifle both by virtue of how being mass produced and because the krauts defined the doctrinal use as something different from rifles, smgs, mgs and pistols.
>>64960563The STG wasn't even the first German assault rifle.The 8mm Kurz was based on designs licensed from the Swiss who were continuing the work they bought from the Italians. The Germans were one of the last countries to start an intermediate cartridge program, even the Hungarians and Dutch beat them to it.
>>64956705You Nazi glazers are so fucking retarded.
>>64956515Pretty much just a CETME Model B.StG-44 -> StG-45 (only prototypes made) -> CETME (Model A -> B -> C)
>>64962344You didn't refute anything. They did make the first one
>>64962539.41 Swiss was first, achtually.
>>64962244Doesn't change the fact it was the first mainstream intermediate cartridge and assault rifle. Technically if you want to exclude full auto from the assault rifle definition we beat them with the M1 Carbine but the M2 wouldn't exist until after the STG. Regardless, having half a dozen pseudo-assault rifles and intermediates doesn't mean shit if none of them got past the prototype phase
>>64962244>The STG wasn't even the first German assault rifle.Yes it was.>8mm Kurz was based on designs licensed from the SwissWhat the hell are you talking about? Polte didnt license a swiss design. Nor did GECO, Rheinmetall-Borsig or DWM.The Furrer and Rubin's cartridge has no connection to german designs and was also rejected by the swiss military.
>FAL but worsek
>>64956672>>64957300Imagine a midpoint between that and 7.62 Tok that could be shot from a 6-7" bbl with ballistics approaching a rifle (well a draco anyways)
