I don't lurk this board often but how come nobody's talking about the War in Kivu?There were so many kino moments>romanian mercenaries captured fighting for congo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx7m-Cn55ZY>Kagame saying "I don't know" when asked if Rwandan Defence Force soldiers were in Congo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW36WN7q7cc>SADC peacekeepers withdrawing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdzNZsK_uH0>bombing at m23 rally in goma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS3D8T9Ic_QI hope Kagame marches all the way to Kinshasa. It's hard to find good footage of the real situation though.
I have never heard of Kivu in my life
>>64959252The only current African conflict I care about is whatever is going on in the Sahel.
>>64959252>how come nobody's talking about the War in Kivu?Because that entire region has been a warzone for literally decades.
>>64959254There's a lot of cobalt mines there and there's natural gas trapped in the lake >>64959264just boring jihadism and that sankara LARPer. I wish IS-WAP actually did something it would generate a lot of seethe
>>64959286>just boring jihadism and that sankara LARPer. I wish IS-WAP actually did something it would generate a lot of seetheI'm more interested in the partial breakup of ECOWAS and the proposed federation of the three Sahel states. t. political scientist
>>64959252African wars need at least 100,000 machete deaths per year before I will skim their Wikipedia articleI'm sorry
>>64959252Because its frozen again after m23 made their mad dash 1-2 years ago
>>64959252Because it's just the same turning rubble into smaller rubble that we saw in Far Cry 2 20 years ago.
>>64959320>ECOWASBeen a fan of them since they got involved in the Gambia. Personally not fond of some of the members such as Nigeria for the obvious reasons, but it's nice to see that there are some halfway responsible stakeholders in the region. Fuck Russia for taking a massive shit on their lawn and leaving them to clean up.
>>64959252You'd think more people would care about the region, if for no other reason than the continuing practice of pre colonial style cannibalism. A bit like the hinterlands of Myanmar or deep into the Sudans there's really wasn't a lot of contact to the outside world until they got independence. That's why there's so much wild shit in those jungles, like the Jehovah's Witness warlord cult back in the 00s or the cannibal holocaust enacted on the pygmys. Oftentimes the first person a congo villager would meet from the outside world was whoever the middleman for the Chinese or Soviets who gave out free guns that month was. That's why there's still some true warlordism in the region that even the rest of the African states don't have anymore.For example, the Simbas were still using spears well into the 60s. And they never really disappeared either, just fragmented into a patchwork of village institutions. So you have at least some continuation of those Pol Pot tier schizos in living memory
Public doesn't care about Africa atleast not while we're waiting on Iran turning into GWOT 2. >>64959343 also makes a great point.
>>64959252Is there oil? No?
>>64959254What an odd thing to brag about
>>64959254The coffee is good.>>64959320It really is interesting to see just how far Kagame is going to push the>I don't know man, wasn't us>What M23?>I really do not appreciate these insinuationsWith the DRC. I get that the conflict has simmered down a bit, but that's no guarantee of peace. What's the endgame here? Everyone else in Africa is super averse to redrawing borders, so it's not like they are going to tolerate Rwanda just biting off a hunk of the eastern DRC to keep. My best guess is that Kigali keeps pushing rebel groups to stir shit up and declare themselves to be an independent state because the government in Kinshasa is unable and unwilling to actually do anything in the east that isn't resource extraction.
>>64959252Because there isn't anything fifth columnists can agitate about in that conflict, so it's not going to get so much traffic on /k/. That said, there's been periodic threads about it>>64959343Understandable.
>>64959252Because some war happening in the Congo is hardly even news at this point.
Africa, whatever happened there
>>64959286>there's natural gas trapped in the lakeImagine the smell
>>64959286ISWAP is basically left alone by the Nigerian govt so they're busy just stamping out the remnants of boko haram
>>64959343>100,000you're missing a couple of zeroes off that
>>64960394"ISWAP released a longer video documenting the simultaneous attacks of March 5 against the four camps of the Nigerian army in Mainok, Jakana, Marte and Konduga"https://streamable.com/eqx5yl
>>64959264I like how they always post their loot.
>>64959922I just don't think anyone else in Africa cares about the Congo as long as they aren't an immediate problem. Sure redrawing borders isn't smiled upon. But on the other hand if you're an African country why spend our resources fighting another Congo war? It hasn't worked out for anyone, and it's easier than ever to grow the economies of African state enough that you make more money from the bribes you get post growth than from looting. Nobody wants to inherit the mess, and nobody has any good will for the Congo government, this isn't the 90s. >>64960428Kino
>>64959254>I have never heard of Kivu in my lifeShut the fuck up amerinigger >>64959252This is a /k/agame board, there's nothing to discuss except how many more hutu gorillas need removing >>64959286They pipe the gas out with an auto-siphon, powering Bralirwa brewery and reducing the risk of catastrophic degassing events that could kill thousands of residents in one go
>>64959922>coffeeRwandan peaberries are loaded with caffeine, flavor isn't quite as amazing as the stuff coming out of Ethiopia tho
>>64961663>Hutu gorillas I'm probably the most pro Tutsi person I know simply because I had a professor who hated the Tutsis because of Marx while being the economic product of Mugabe's corruption. If Paul Kagame can generate that much seething, I'll be his strongest warrior
>>64961690>a professor who hated the Tutsis because of Marx while being the economic product of Mugabe's corruptionthe Tutsis were Marxist? or the professor was Marxist?
>>64961721She saw the Tutsis as a product of class exploitation and western colonialism and not a real people. And she had us read Fanon about the need to remove all colonizers by force not just a week earlier. She also directly endorsed October 7th on the 8th. Not that I'm a fan of Israel, mind you. It's just very obvious she liked white people and anyone associated getting killed. She also tacitly endorsed Idi Amin for expelling the Indians and genuinely called Nelson Mandela a traitor and a lapdog of the whites because she like the EEF. Somehow she had no knowledge whatsoever about the Derg, Issaq clan genocide and the various other failures of soviet backed African states. She was a nightmare to take classes underAs a result I will always defend Paul Kagame online no matter the reason.
>>64961741>liked white people Obviously meant to say disliked, but considering her views she probably did like white men behind closed doors
>>64961741>She also directly endorsed October 7th on the 8thlol should have reported her for thatshe wasn't as smart as Ilhan Omar, who kept her mouth shut on 7th but started deploring Israeli airstrikes on the 13th, as if they had appeared out of nowhere
I think Somalia/Somaliland is more interesting
>>64961751Very naive if you understood the culture of my uni, I didn't want to be cast out socially or used as a pawn by opportunistic pundits. I have some wild stories to tell about shit that happened in the polisci department however that even top that.
>>64961793Start typing
>>64961855I promise you I am not lying. I don't expect you to believe me if you're not a fellow zoomer. So for starters my Pakistani full hijab wearing classmate was the most comicly woke person I've met in my life. For example when my favorite professor started a lecture about the economic and demographic factors in the Arab spring (baby boom, high unemployment and lack of soviet gibs) led to uprisings she tried to imply that my professor was promoting the gender binary because the official Syrian census didn't have any third gender stats. This is despite her having family ties in Pakistan I might add. One time when discussing the treatment of female ISIS prisoners who had participated in the Yazidi genocide. And the massive quagmire of international jurisdiction and lack of any human rights standards, such as rape baby's imprisonment alongside their ISIS mothers. A female classmate expressed that due to her "daddy issues" made her feel sad for the Orphans of ISIS fighters for not being able to grow up with a father. My group's policy recommendation for the prison camps was to build mosques for the captured ISIS fighter to teach them that Islam is not a hateful religion. During the BLM rally the black chick who exclusively hung out with white people and dated white dudes give a list of names of suspected trump voters on Campus.My classmates didn't know Bosnia wasn't in Africa while citing the Bosnian genocide was proof the west didn't care about genocides when they happened in the global south. There was a general denial of historical facts based on Tik tok. Like as in students were actively citing tik tok. For example they denied the removal of Jews in the middle east in the 50s, claimed Americans only motivation for ww2 bombing Japan was racism and the allies never fire bombed the krauts, that the Japanese had created hello kitty in a plot to cover up war crimes and the general everything being a white colonial construct.
>>64960320"Whatever happened there?" What the fuck does THAT mean?
>>64961985What in the world goes on in us universities????Has it changed since trump started messing with
>>64962035Trump just cut my Chinese language funding at my uni, so now I have to learn it from a pro Xi professor instead. He also made it a lot harder to discuss complex interethnic conflicts in courses. The woke wasn't gone away because you can't make students unthink what they think, and most of it comes from social media anyway.
>>64961741>she had us read FanonWell you've won me over. These kind of people need to be physically removed from our society, by which I mean hung by their intestines while still alive in public. There is no long term solution that isn't violent; they will always want everyone who isn't in lockstep with them dead.
>>64961985>claimed that the Japanese had created hello kitty in a plot to cover up war crimes
>>64962389I shit you not that is probably one of the most believable ones cited by anon, I've seen it being thrown around a few times already by women. I'd really like to hear the reasoning for the americans bombing japs out of racism theory though, never heard of it.
>>64962431NTA but it's quite common amongst liberals, they always say "the only reason you nuked Japs is because they're Asian and you consider them subhuman"I don't know whether they're disingenuous or just retarded in not realising that the effects of radiation were not yet fully understood
>>64962431It wasn't that deep, they just mentioned how America had racist propaganda and then just assumed we didn't do the same to Germany, because she never cared about history. Our resident ww2 sperg explained to the class for like five minutes why that wasn't true, which made matters worse because he was annoying as fuck. Like most of the stuff I mentioned it isn't outright revisionism as much as it is a combination of ignorance and apathy. Nobody really checks to see if the claim they see are true, and there's a lot of pop info out there. To make matters worse nobody really likes to be contradicted, especially about the minutia of a 30 second videos designed to keep you subscribed to a particular media ecosystem.I mean most people didn't do their assigned readings because you could just use AI or bullshit through the classes, so there wasn't really a basis for truth most of the time. And that's assuming most people could even understand the readings considering the current literacy data and all. It's really fucking grim out there
>>64959252because it's 99% light infantry combat while there's a bunch of very modern wars being fought at the moment, there's sparse footage coming out of there, and it's in africa and people don't give a shit about africa.>>64961985>didn't care about genocides when they happened in the global southironically kind of proved their own point since rwanda was right there, same time period and everything kek. >>64962035Anon, there's a bit of a selection bias that comes with that guy's major, profs and students for social sciences tend to be leftist in general. Engineering students tend to lean more right in general, students in anything that falls under "liberal arts" tend to lean left. That being said, the vast majority of that guy's post is moreso a reflection of the modern political climate and what happens to kids raised on social media and modern political discourse. Universities are also huge, dumbasses will stick out and appear to be a larger % of the population than they actually are.
>>64961741>failures of soviet backed African statesI'd like to do some reading on this. Any book recommendations any Anons can give?pic not releated
>>64962532>It's really fucking grim out thereyeah, there's always been dumbasses and retards in society, but it feels like these days it's easier for someone to confidently be a dumbass / retard than it used to be because of all the positive stimulus they can find on social media for their particular brand of dumbassery and retardation. the decline of basic fact checking skills and the prevalence of giga reductive one liner zingers and short form content is horrifying
protip anons: git very very gud in informal logiccheck out a textbook or two
sometimes I just want to throw everything away and go participate in a tribal war in Africa and be like Colonel Kurtz
>>64960419video got flagged and removed, any alternative uploads?
>>64961985>I don't expect you to believe me if you're not a fellow zoomerThis nigga thinks I've never dealt with feminists before
>>64962639https://nitter.net/war_noir/status/2031094243649843378#m
>>64962590>the prevalence of giga reductive one liner zingers and short form content is horrifyingI think people have started outright thinking in one liners. We're fucked.
is it just me or are M23 pretty based?
>>64961614It's probably also worth remembering that the Congo is the posterchild for African disfunction. It's way too big for as fragile as African states are, so it's essentially impossible to govern the border regions. It never grew out of the American Wild West phase of development.
>>64962532>resident ww2 sperg>annoying as fuckYeah, that checks out. It fucking sucks being a military history nerd, because one of the only places that you can discuss this stuff with well-adjusted human beings is /k/, and even that's hit-or-miss. I wonder if it's always been like this, or could you talk about this stuff with more guys (if you were of a certain social stratum) back when war was a gentleman's game.
>>64962573>sparse footageI think this is huge, but I'll add that there's almost no information that comes out, period. Same thing happened with the Tigrayan rebellion in Ethiopia. I kinda think there was a phase of that war where they controlled over half the country, before they eventually got bombed into the Stone Age and fucked off, but I had no luck finding reliable information about it.
>>64962532>>64962590>>64962671I kinda hope that >>64962596 is on the right track. The way I see it, American society, at least, is heading one of two ways: a new aristocracy of the people capable of even a modicum of introspection and critical thinking who are in essentially total control of society, doing what they please with the proles; or Idiocracy (yes, I am aware how often that movie has been brought up as a cautionary tale in the last five years).
>>64959252I'm pretty sure there's more people carrying about congo on /k/ than anywhere else on the internet. You even made me read a book about it.
>>64961985Fucking hell, I should've gone to humanities. The most deranged lecturer I had was a guy who recommended a Chinese conspiracy theory book on Jews Rothschilds and gold standard in econ for non-economy students.
>>64962657thanks
>>64961663It's no longer about Hutu and Tutsi it's about Congolese government supporters vs Kinyarwanda speaking people and the Congolese that support them>>64962705Thing is Congo is too centralized when it really should be a loose confederation of states. The central government wants control over the mining revenues and it's biased in its spending towards the Lingala speakers in the Kinshasa region. That's why Katanga and eastern Congo wanted to break away in 1960. It's all about the mines
>>64962632it's very tempting but if you're not congolese and don't speak french i wouldn't recommend it maybe you could stain yourself black and inject botox into your lips or something
>>64962825What book?
>>64963390>Wikipedia filename
i cant find that documentary about the congo war i fell asleep to maybe a decade ago and never finishedshit
>>64963882DISREGARD i searched for all documentaries on the congo and it was this onehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Congo
>>64963314>Congo is too centralized when it really should be a loose confederation of states. The central government wants control over the mining revenues and it's biased in its spending towards the Lingala speakers in the Kinshasa region.>That's why Katanga and eastern Congo wanted to break away in 1960. It's all about the minesthiseveryone blames the Belgians for how they managed it as a colony, but much more of the blame for the Congos modern state lies with the Irish and Swedes, who controlled the UN at the time and sent their troops as "peacekeepers" to conquer Katanga and force it back into the Congothis was explicitely so the Katangese copper mines could prop up the corrupt Congolese state, which did end up being "stable" under Mobutu..... until his habit of hosting genocidal rebel groups led to the first Congo war
>>64963875NTA, but its "Dancing in the Glory of Monsters" by Jason K Stearnsprobably the best book written on the Congo Wars, thanks to him directly interviewing many people involved in the wars, from generals to soldiers and civilians, and its also very easy to read casually (unlike his second book, which is much more academic).
>>64963970>$3.26 paperback on AmazonHoly shit. Buying now.
>>64961985>I don't expect you to believe me if you're not a fellow zoomer.You're right, I don't believe that.Even though I've seen some terminally stupid shit that makes me rapidly lose my arguments that humanity as a whole is not just a race of retarded bald monkeys.
>>64961690Geg>>64962632Real. I almost went to do counter poaching after the Marines, but I got married like a bitch instead.
>>64960382Its odorless, thats how it kills thousands of people and animals when it erupts
>>64961752If we had an anon making effort posts about this conflict I'd be interested in it too. I really don't know where to go check this kind of thing out, since the internet is no longer navigable
>>64964262Oh yeah. I remember watching something about that and had to look it up, limnic eruptions. Pretty fucking wild.
>>64963976>$3.99 shippingOrdered anyway
>>64964270critical threats (formerly isw, i think) does tri-weekly reports on the war, and Dancing in the Glory of monsters (>>64963970) gives a pretty good history of the conflict. M23 is really a continuation of Rwandan backed groups from the first and second Congo wars
>>64962431Japan, during wwii, intentionally unleashed the black plague on the Chinese mainland and tried actively to create a biological weapon to spread the plague in the US. It actively and enthousiastically researched other weapons of mass destruction including nuclear. (The germans tried to send them uranium oxide and their tech near the end of the war.) There can be no doubt that the Japanese would have immediately deployed any weapon of mass destruction they could get their hands on against the US.
>>64963952The entire decolonization era was an utter shitshow. You had the Swedes in the UN wanting a "fair distribution" of land and resources, you had the Soviets trying to gain fresh meat for their fuck-fuck games with the West, you had the old colonial powers trying to hold on to scraps of their former influence, you even had the US attempting to have a go, despite the general anti-African sentiment of the establishment at the time.
>>64964727yeah all that is irrelevant to women, liberals, and turdies; they will just screech about the US having to "be better" than the other side in the most offensively entitled manner possibleit's really a trick to either 1) excuse their own warcriming, or 2) accuse us of warcriming, to remove legitimacy, or 3) bog us down in impracticably retarded rules of engagement, because they know from Vietnam that that's the only way the US can be stopped.
>>64962748It's rather interesting how becoming a 4chan history sperg has benefited my life. Not to say that it was a good choice by any means, but it has insulated me to a lot of the addictive short form content and social media brainrot that seems to have addicted most people. And it also got me into reading and research, which has gotten me academic success ad recently career prospects, all because I've always liked proving you retards wrong.Sure it also hasn't helped my spergish tendencies and ability to relate to people, but I was always the type to never fit in anyway. But since I've gone to great lengths to not internalize the dalit-esque gender and sexual hangups most of you seem to have, I'm not a pariah either.
>>64961985>I promise you I am not lying. I don't expect you to believe me if you're not a fellow zoomer.It was already like this in the 90s, how naive are you
>>64963970Would also recommend Shake Hands with the Devil about Rwanda. The End of History period is fascinating because you see a rise and fall of foreign aid in a way that you understand how the GWOT happened. Vietnam == bad, Reagan & Bush small wars + reform == good, Gulf War 1 == insanely good, Somalia == bad. So at the start of Rwanda, we were less confident in our ability to successfully intervene, leading to it being awful. But the guilt over that led to us (UN/NATO) being more willing to intervene in the later Balkan stuff (Dutchbat excluded). And so by the end of 1999, the Western World, having seen the fall of the USSR and what looked like the entire world being amenable to slowly being helped and rebuilt as a democratic liberal capitalist state as something they could reliably do to anyone. Maybe not all at once, but slowly but surely we were all coming together. Even China, Serbian embassy aside, seemed eager to join us all in a bright future. And then 9/11 happened and after Bin Laden escaped and we ignored the tentative Taliban surrender, it was a bunch of glowies and Tier 1 guys with their thumbs up their ass in Kabul wondering what to do now. >That was a ramble, sorry, but yeah for as little as happened 1st-world-wise in the 90s, it laid the groundwork for what would come later
Can I get a QRD of what is happening over there?Why there are so many countries involved?
>>64965312>single person to benefit from 4chan everrespect, anon
>>64966337TL;DR, Congo is a centralized govt controlling what is Africa's central Asia-stan region where it isnt so much a concrete country as it is a land formed because it is NOT part of other countries. So tons of tribal shit. Meanwhile, post Rwandan genocide, Paul Kagame who came to power in Rwanda shortly after, has made Rwanda into a sort of lib-right but authoritarian state government wise. But impact wise, Rwanda is one of the safest most developed states in central Africa. But to do that, it requires resources both internally and as effectively payment or bribery to the major Western and Eastern powers. So while DRC does have so loose a control of its territory that you could use it as casus belli for attacking them alone, most people can see the realpolitik reasons Rwanda is going after strategic locations in Congo. It's a mess but frankly in Kagame's shoes, I'd do the same. Congo is less of a country than tribal confederations during the 18th century in North America and it is always going to be a drain on surrounding countries, at best, or allow insurgency factions, terrorist groups, black market trade, etc. pass through unless they all build a 100' tall wall around the entire border of Congo. It needs to change and I can't blame the people living next to it for at least recognizing what it is and trying to get something out of it.
>>64959254i read about it its like the wild west but with ak 47 and africans. no real state control because congo is a shithole. its been in civil war state since independence so at this point is just a seasonal thing. congo should really just disolve at this point they have been trying to build a state for 80 years? and keep failing at it
>>649653124chan IS addictive short form social media brainrot, just less pervasive because we call each other niggers and autists instead of making schizo video edits about itto elaborate on >>64962748; I realised that the study of informal logic is what is missing from nearly all levels of current academia, despite being the very basis of knowledge. the current system just does not teach neither children nor adults how to reason, period. even at the highest level of doctoral study, most people just learn and practice it by empiricism, i.e. trial and error. which is part of the reason for the vast amount of shitty "research" that is published (no doubt much of it is intentional bullshit, but there is also tons of well-meaning but misguided nonsense.)and it is an integral reason for a few key sociological factors described above; the pervasiveness of propaganda and conspiracy theory, as these are always illogical and unreasonable, but nobody can identify propaganda and conspiracy because nobody has been taught how to reason; susceptibility to AI and social media brainrot, because LLMs and influencers sound amazingly compelling when you're unable to identify the illogical bullshit in what they're saying; and the rewriting of history, because dittotherefore anons, if you wish to mentally arm yourself with the skills against all these: learn and practise informal logic.
>>64967846What this anon said is correct, he has a very well developed understanding of game theory and basic human nature. He is correct in almost every way and you should make it life lesson to absorb what he is saying. I'm sure this post will be ignored so i'll go back to thinking about sucking on Kim Yo Jong's toes like they were tiny nibblets of corn while she diciplines me...
