For what reason is it not possible to build some small caliber cannon in some ~40mm scale or something like that, have it computer guided with some radar and flir rangefinding contraption, and use it to shoot down incoming cheap massed drones with proxy shells?We have know Russia and Iran for example have tons of shaheds for literally years and nobody has build cheap defence against them yet. You could mount your cannon on a tank hull and move it around where you want to protect your expensive assets.
The Rheinmetall Skyranger and Skyguard system with Ahead ammo has been around since the 90s and 00s. Used to be some real banger industry videos on youtube.
There are tons of cheap interception methods now. Are you blind or just willfully ignorant
>>64961413This is 100% possible and it’s insane that the US hasn’t been seriously preparing for this since 2023. Ukraine and Russia have developed the basic systems to handle large drone swarms. They have a 80kmx300km fronts with ISR good enough that it is suicidal for a CASEVAC vehicle to drive within 20km of either line. Ukraine and Russia aren’t perfect at this because they are starved of matériel, under constant near peer pressure. The US and gulf didn’t have to be so limited. The situation in Iran is a doctrinal failure, a failure of flexibility, and MIC failure. There should be hundreds of cheap loitering surveillance drones over the coast, autonomous tracking of Iranian missile teams, tons of Apaches and Blackhawk AA, and yes fleets of many thousands of commercial Hd trucks with autonomous AA turrets all over the gulf.There should be hardly any Shaheeds able to cross the strait and even the threat of mining,missile-ing, USVing the strait should have been met with the US saying>try to close the strait and we will cover your entire coast and the Zagros front range with thousands of AP/AT submunition canisters and use ISR to kill everything that movesBut for this to happen Biden administration has to build the capacity and tactics and Trump has to be one top of developing a cohesive contingency plan day 1 of his presidency and not get war drunk on Venezuela and blow his load early on Iran.
>>64961413They already exist and are in use.If you weren’t willfully ignorant and looked up how successful interceptions were in the Israel-Iran war last year and over the last two weeks, you’d see that western/Korean systems have over a 90% interception rate. Iran tried a saturation attack and it didn’t even work.
>>6496177510,000 f-350s each with a $200,000 semi autonomous networked 50cal turret and sensor would be about $3 billion. Even at double or triple the price that’s still cheaper than a handful of civilian buildings and a handful of oil infrastructure being destroyed . You don’t necessarily need huge crews for the platforms protecting the flanks in the middle of the desert because you can just consider these no-fly zones and your turrets as essentially mine fields. Around the cities, you have national guard trained on these systems to get the manpower to supervise the AI targeting. You could have 2 per mile of coastline for 1000 miles and dense perimeters around each city and still have units in reserve. The main thing is you need the US doing exercises in 2023-2025 in Nevada where procedures are developed to prevent friendly fire, coordinate, etc. It’s absolutely idiotic if they are waiting on lasers to do the exact same thing because the range won’t be that much better and the same problem solving needs to be done.
>>64961413You mean like a CIWS? Hmm, interesting idea. People ought to think about that.
>>64961858A 90% interception rate isn’t good enough. It’s an actuary problem: 1000 of 10000 drones get through per year, 500 of them miss, 500 of them destroy targets of aggregate value of $. If that $ exceeds say 0.5% of GDP, the interception rate isn’t good enough. A gulf state with 100 billion dollar gdp with $300 million in infrastructure damage and economic losses of $500 million a day due to factory closures and tourism because several dozen drones/week in the first few weeks of the war means that 90% just isn’t good enough. Your initial interdiction should be at 95% and then the point defense should stop 90% of what is left. No more than 50 of 10,0000 drones should penetrate per year.
>>64961872Ground systems are ok as last line of defense but can't be relied upon because engagement range and safety margin is small.It should be air force doing CAPs to intercept drones (with cheap perk kill firepower). Fighters need machine gun turrets and idealy there should be some interceptor VTOL drones armed with guns and Ukrianian Sting interceptors.
>>64961413It's likely that a system like this has been developed already and everybody is keeping quiet about it. The US kept quiet about the RPF fuse so there is precedent and having all our enemies rush to make drone weapons just to find out that they've always been useless would be a masterstroke.
>>64961825Blame congress, the XM307 could have provided semi autonomous SHORAD capability at the platoon level back in 2010.
>>64961413They exist, it's just that Ukraine is too poor to make them and too poor to buy them (or more accurately have higher priorities when picking what goes into their aid package. The countries that can afford just haven't been buying any. Shaheds are trivial to intercept, they're only barely on par ith WW2 planes. Any system that's not saturated should have a 100% interception rate
>>64961687>> Muh skyranger1bullet = $1000
>>64962184Ukraine turned out to be a great lab for low end weapons tech.
>>64962213Yeah, but they sure as hell aren't churning out tons of cheap AA.
>>64961922Economics is not a real science. It is pointless bullshit like psychology and theoretical physics.
>>64962225It's not economics, it's math.
>>64961413because they have laser cannonsstop thinking like a commie
>>649621851drone = $10000
>>64962225Raw intelligence like this is how the insurance agent got you to pay for a volcano insurance even though you live in Florida.
>>64961858>90% interception rate>hundreds of videos of multiple THAAD systems shooting 5-8 missles and missing the interceptionwhat kind of kike crack are you smoking shill?
>>64962484>hundreds of videosmay we see them, bad-faith thirdie shill-san?
>>64962484there are very few videos of exo-atmospheric interceptors in actionI've seen three so far of which one was claimed to involve an actual intercept
>>64961413I'd like to see a belt-fed ROCKET munitions drone which feeds APKWS II into a launch tube and fires them semi-automatically from a 60 round roll, at least 60 rounds a minute
There's 30mm XM1121 high explosive proxy right now but it's in very low volume production. Like $6 million for 2000 rounds in the 2026 budget.Then in a couple years, M-shorad increment 3 brings about a stryker with XM1223. It's supposed to be a replacement for XM1198 and XM1121 so it's bound to be more expensive.155mm HVP from the old railgun program is coming back as part of the army's aerial defence MDACs.
>>64963498>30 mm prox fuze For what purpose. Due to small physical dimensions, detector resolution is going to be quite poor (compared to larger rounds, ex. 57 mm), while at the same time being way more expensive than regular time fuzed rounds like AHEAD. The only genuine advantage is not requiring the ranging system for the autofuze setter (smartfuze rounds can be shot out of "dumb" autocannons), but the per-unit cost is so high (compared to AHEAD), it doesn't seem like a good trade-off. Feels to me like yet another instance of US procurement not wanting to adopt something invented elsewhere.
>>64962484Your algorithmically curated social media feed is not a reliable measure of reality.
>>64962484>>90% interception rate>>hundreds of videos of multiple THAAD systems shooting 5-8 missles and missing the interceptionWell I concur, there couldn't be hundreds of videos of 5-8 THAAD being fired, the US doesn't have that many :^)
>>64961720He is high on Iranian copium (the myth that the US is totally done for and can’t intercept anything ever again)
>>64964518>Due to small physical dimensions, detector resolution is going to be quite poor (compared to larger rounds, ex. 57 mm), while at the same time being way more expensive than regular time fuzed rounds like AHEAD.Prox fuzes cost $15 each in 1945. That's less than $300 today assuming that nothing has become more efficient in electronics. How good do you think sensor resolution needs to be against a 100kt drone that's a few meters across? You are sperging about nothing.
>>649646691945 proxy fuzes are useless on the modern battlefield.
>>64961413>build>deploy>maintain >location
>>64964994But sneeds are not modern or capable in any way.
Claymores attached to ballons
>>64964669It's definitely going to be cheaper than that. We switched to transistor amplifiers after WW2 and full transceiver modules can be as cheap a $20. >>64964994That was when the focus was on supersonic, high altitude jets. Now we've got low altitude, subsonic drones. They're basically perfect RPF targets.
