NOT A DRILL A KC135 HAS GONE DOWN OVER IRAQ
>>64962873Ok
>>64962873Not a drill, you're brown
>>64962873Lol died for israel award
>Two aircraft were involved in the incident>This was not due to hostile fire or friendly fire>>64962885riveting argument
>>64962897>Two aircraft were involved in the incidentI'm assuming a refueling fuck up?
>>64962897>Two aircraft were involved in the incident>This was not due to hostile fire or friendly fireso this was just a case of incompetence leading to a collision
>>64962902>so this was just a case of incompetence leading to a collisionThe second aircraft (which landed safely) was also a tanker, so I assume one was topping up the other and something went wrong.It went down in Iraq, SAR is underway and nothing is known yet.https://www.airandspaceforces.com/kc-135-crashes-in-iraq-while-supporting-iran-ops/
>>64962901could be, they say not due to hostile fire or friendly fire
>>64962913>The second aircraft was also a tanker
LOOKNER CONFIRMED IT IS HAPPENING!
Not a weapon
>>64962873Until you provide sources and or a link:NOT A DRILL A KC135 GONE DONE ON OP'S MOM
>>64962939Literally centcom's x account, retard
>>64962902This is Biden's airforce
>>64962901Almost certainly, but I'm expecting /pol/ to spam here like it was shot down, maybe with shitty AI videos too. They probably still think the US has lost carriers over in /chug/.
>>64962897>This was not due to hostile fire or friendly fireAnd here i was wondering if the Kuwaiti F18 pilot was going for ace
>>64962950Kek
>>64962873>Iraqtypo?
>>64962943Literally your mom's x account, idiot
>>64962998Nah, the accidental bonk was over iraq, probably refueling a refueler to keep one on station
>>64962998>Iran or Iraq?I dunno, i just enter the TLAM coordinates
>>64963006Oh then it's nothing. Hope they have enough water.
>>64962946Yup. They’re claiming an Iraqi insurgent missile shot it down.
>>64963013>Oh then it's nothing. Hope they have enough water.Depends on whether they bailed or not.
>>64963028if they didn't then at least they have shelter
>>64963028a KC135 has no means to "bail"
>>64963033Hang yourself yourself you stupid mfker
>>64963013SAR team in friendly airspace will probably get them before they get thirsty provided they survived getting to the ground. Hope they bailed, but yeah, this is thr kind of stuff that happens when you use your shit enough times.
>>64963035HOW do you not put ejection seat on that thing? No means to escape even in an accident? SERIOUSLY?
>>64963044Nigga it's a 707They don't make ejection seats for any of them
>>64962885>/k/ - literally anything>some retard: reee brown reeeeeeIs this a way of telling us that you're feeling offended? What was it that caused you to take offense? Use your words, anon.
>>64963054>You can modify it for air-air refueling>You can't modify it with ejection seats???
>>64963078It only got this bad after October 7th and a lot of the time it's accompanied with whining about "/pol/estinians", even in absence of /pol/posting, and spam of the same few images.You decide the implications
>>64963054>>64963082if they were based they would've made the entire front detachable with bigass chutes, like the vark but worse in every way
>>64963041What's the matter with you? You're hysterical!
>>64962873taken out by those iranian loitering AAMs.
>>64963082>>64963100>>64963054Did one of you just post this on Lookners feed?
>>64963106The new jidf shilling for the irgc tactic is genius
>>64963082it HAD ejection seats but (or at least bailout capability?) but they were removed for a 'weight saving program' some years back.
>>64963135>hasbara doesn't know he's brown Many such cases!
>>64963106>only jews are allowed to call people brown???
>>64963140The bailout system that existed until 2008 involved putting on a parachute and dropping out of a hatch in the bottomOn testing it was decided it would decapitate close to 100% of people that attempt it unless the plane was flying perfectly level (which planes you have to jump out of usually aren't)
>>64963140Pretty bizarre for a jet that large. How much more fuel are you going to get with that weight difference? Retarded. Now the pilots have no means to bail. Not worth it at all.
>>64963111>a stratotanker with tons of fuel hitting the ground with terminal velocity would survive and crew will use it as shelter No im serious, you're extremely retarded, hang yourself asap, we can't have you running around
>>64963154>no YOU are brownPeak sea monkey behavior
This just in, crew picture just dropped!
>>64963117What social media shithole is this
>>64963035Even worse than that, the parachutes were removed in 2008 on a "cost-benefit" basis. Exiting a stricken 4-engine plane is inherently high risk, but I wager just about every 8th Air Force crew would agree it's a superior option.
>>64963168Looks like someone needs an orderly.
>>64963106this or /uhg/ leaking over
>>64963186They look like they made halo infinite
>>64963188That's telegram, super popular among thirdies like russians and indians. If they're at risk of dying of cholera, they're probably on telegram.
Hello /k/ anons :)I'm a poster from another board, and I want to be respectful to the community you've created here, so I'd like you to ask your advice on something if I can:How do I discuss the downing of this KC135 without sounding brown, or brown-coded?
>>64963221Come back in a couple days after the script shifts
>>64963221You have to suck israel off in every post to not sound brown or thirdie
>>64962901If it was a Kuwaiti F-18 then I might be getting suspicious.
>>64963221Begin every post with "I unconditionally support all actions of the IDF and all decisions made by President Donald J Trump and furthermore all other countries weak and pathetic and making of inferior potassium and USA potassium #1 potassium" and end all posts with "all countries are an existential threat to the United States and Israel and must be bombed, free helicopter rides for commies"If you can't manage this bare minimum of contribution, you are brown
>>64963035>a KC135 has no means to "bail"They for sure have no bang seats.Supposedly, they don't carry parachutes, and have not since 2009 (IIRC).
>>64962901Almost certainly, increased operational frequency of this magnitude is going to generate a ton more accidents in raw numbers.
>>64963267So far, we're on par.>Within the first 10 months of fiscal 2024, 14 aircraft were destroyed, with major causes often involving engine failures, electrical issues, or bird strikes.The USAF has an interesting site listing "incident" stats, searchable by type of accident and/or aircraft.> https://www.safety.af.mil/Divisions/Aviation-Safety-Division/Aviation-Statistics/
>>64963100The CHADvark is such a based plane.
>>64963331Shit we might actually be doing better in a active warzone lol
>>64963358>The CHADvark is such a based plane.The stick, doubles as a bilge pump for the capsule.Let that sink in for a moment.Working the stick, pumps the fluid from the capsule.
>>64963221It's already too lateIf you have to gloat over every enemy loss it's over
>>64963221>How do I discuss the downing of this KC135 without sounding brown, or brown-coded?Realize it's an old fucking airframe that may or may not be mainteined by the lowest bidder, and that shit fucking happens when you try to do in-flight refueling.
>>64963384The one I've been contemplating is the radar.Hitting a single radar installation is so irrelevant that AFAIK the US doesn't bother to even publish when they do itIt's just taken for granite that the minute anything jumps off with the US, every radar dish in your country is going to spontaneously combustSo I'm guessing Iran's radar losses are in the three digits, minimum?
>>64963201When it comes to any large multi-engine aircraft like that, if you can successfully bail out then you don't need to. My community is working to get the parachutes removed from our 130s because they're pointless for that reason.
>>64963368>Working the stick, pumps the fluid from the capsule.
>>64963444What's the logic? Any damage is either something you can at least land the plane with, or so catastrophic you won't have time to bail?
>>64963368just two bros, side by side, working their sticks and pumping fluid
>>64963522pretty much, plus bailing out is dangerous af and probably not possible if the plane isn't nice and level
>>64963221just discuss the incident without saying kikes, pisslam, goy, globohomo.be more interested in what happened and the airframe versus the optics of the incident. pretty simple stuff
>>64962901
>>64963539Usually it’s the fuellee fucking up, not the fueler
>>64963522Yes. And being with the plane is preferable to jumping out because it keeps everybody together, it's where my jacket and my cooler (packed with real-sugar mountain dew in tiny cans and funny-flavored lays potato chips) are, and the hull will make a big target that space-based assets will find in a day or two if all normal SAR procedures fail somehow. If I jump out it's just me, a radio, and ~18 ounces of water.
>>64962873Is Trump going to advertise more of his MAGA caps at these airmen's memorial service too?
>>64963444Bean counter fallacy. Technology marches on, there's no reason egress technology has to remain in 1944 for everyone who ain't a fighter jockey. That community valued their lives enough to trust newfangled, harebrained rube-goldberg machines, why doesn't yours? Even spacecraft make some provision for emergency egress despite the physics of "rocket failure" being far more fraught with peril.
>>64963543It could have been a refueler refueling another refueler (yo dawg... etc.). The thing is that they said one refueler was lost in an accident, but another was "hit" and landed safely. So it could mean that this was caused by Iranian fire, perhaps a missile brought one down and the other was hit by shrapnel from the missile. Can't be ruled out yet.
>>64962873>Justification to give all KC-135's minimum one air to air intercept escort Made your job a lot harder, bang up job
>>64962873Only several thousand more planes to go.Pic unrelated.
>>64963593youve started cropping the xitter names out now too? crazy
Photos of a KC-135 at what appears to be an Israeli airstrip, possibly Ben Gurion (note the car’s license plate) with visible damage to the tail have emerged following the crash of a KC-135 over Western Iraq earlier today.
>>64963593Wasn't this ai hallucination posted earlier?
>>64963607>>64963621>>64963593Huh, I actually can't find the origin of that tweet since it looks like it came from all four of these accounts
>>64963641>straightjacket
>>64963641>collection of traitors and shillsWild
>>64963641>/pol/ turning into leftist twitter/blueskyI knew it was getting bad over there, but this wasn't on my bingo card for 2026.
>>64962946Where did Iran find the technology to freeze the ocean in place?
>>64963672The Ayatollah unlocked new powers
>>64963618Collision?Is it not like it never happened before with mid air feuling
>>64963618paint a killmark on it
>>64963078It's people that don't understand what being anonymous means. The whole point is that you don't have an identity period. They're trying to establish an identity with their "opponent" because they have no arguments and this is faster than actually engaging with the conversation.
>>64963681>ayatollah jr found the chaos emeralds
>>64962873truly , the great satan is defeated now that this tank plane has been striked down by the hand of the prophet (pbuh) , america is defeat
>>64963580The egress procedure needs to be less dangerous than the alternative or it isn't worthwhile. Mobility aircraft are incredibly safe. Ejection seats are incredibly dangerous and kill ground personnel and not-clipped-in pilots with regularity.
>>64963701people are just fed up with being massively outnumbered by subhumans online
>>64963701It makes it that much sadder that shills keep getting called out correctly then
>>64962895>as opposed to dying for Palestinians Free ACK
>>64963717The thing is people who never spent time on here before the brown hordes don’t know how the blazing dumpster fire that was 4chan was massively better than it is now. Spreading internet to brownoids, slavs, SEAmonkeys, jeets, and other subhumans is the cancer killing the internet. That actually might be a good thing long term.
>>64963717>>64963719It's one thing to call out shilling. It's another to have a differing opinion which is open to interpretation and just terminate the conversation with retarded challenges akin to a captcha. Vatniggers and shills can be called out by their actions, and most importantly: ignored. I mean, you niggers weren't even here when 5.7 wound vectors were a point of discussion. Holy shit.
>>64963745shill detected
>>64963749See>>64963755For why people are tired and can confidently call these subhumans as such
Funny how everyone shit on Russia when they reported accidents but we just buy it when its US.
>>64963749In the like 17 years since this was made 5.7 has finally claimed another victimRIP in piss Lowtax you will not be missed
This fucking board is unsalvagable
>>64963764yeah i wonder what this incident involving two fuel tankers, one of which was able to return and land, could have been
2 seperate terror attacks in the US today , both motivated by aloah-snackbars im guessing this will drive more americans to support the war
>>64963755>stileDumb ESL
>>64963763>For why people are tired and can confidently call these subhumans as suchYou realize I'm not disagreeing with you that's, in fact, a subhuman faggot, right? But look at the post that started this discussion: >>64962885Merely for reporting that a KC-135 has, indeed, gone down. We can discuss the OP's post. The post you quoted should be ignored and reported. You're only feeding the trolls and lowering post quality by engaging in identity politics in an anonymous board with no way to tell if more IPs are in the thread. Embrace your lack of identity instead of trying to fight against it. Only good-faith arguments and statements matter. Everything else is the noise part of the transmission.
>>64963764I blame the Scooby Doo convoy and the traffic jam of doom.
>>64963778I doubt it, I thought they were just your average mass shootings.
>>64963221Never say anything bad about glorious America.
>>64963788https://apnews.com/article/west-bloomfield-michigan-synagogue-99884aa558523928953bf5d31018c150https://apnews.com/article/old-dominion-university-virginia-gunman-dead-e49b6d42f2b76d2ad92a2ee72833e9adnopeboth allahu-snackbars
>A former Army National Guard member who had spent eight years in prison for attempting to aid the Islamic State opened fire on a classroom at Virginia’s Old Dominion University on Thursday before ROTC students subdued and killed him, authorities said.>He had yelled “Allahu Akbar” before the shooting, which left one person dead and two wounded, according to the FBI.--->WEST BLOOMFIELD, Mich. (AP) — The armed man who rammed his vehicle into one of the nation’s largest Reform synagogues Thursday has been identified as a 41-year-old naturalized citizen born in Lebanon, according to federal officials.>Ayman Mohamad Ghazali was fatally shot by security officers after driving through a hallway at Temple Israel in West Bloomfield Township near Detroit, Michigan, in a vehicle that then caught fire, authorities said.>Ghazali came to the U.S. in 2011 on an immediate relative visa as the spouse of a U.S. citizen and was granted U.S. citizenship in 2016, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
>>64963135>newBeen happening ever since hamas did their october attack and frankly been that way since Moot met Epstein probably.It's not shilling for the IRGC, it's called poisoning the well by making the place so shit anyone decent will want to go away until only retards are here and it's self-feeding on stupidity. >try to have any nuance>get called a shill by some glownigger faking being on one side>bring other nuance in favor of the other side since nothing is black&white>get called a shill by the same glownigger once again pretending to be on the other sideThere is a reason they removed the poster count out of nowhere.In practice this become>iran got btfo'd hard because america isn't as incompetant>reee you are a jewish shill>USA isn't that prepared for counterattacks and managed to lose a tanker to a nation without an airforce>reee you are a brown shillAll of you dishonest faggot should suck my dick. In the future this non-stop gay ass propaganda will be considered informational weapon of mass destruction. Instead of creating a plague or nuking cities like "normal" WMD, this shit will turn most of humanity in retards and doom us to be stuck in an era of retardation and low trust.
>>64963800>students subdued and killed himbased
>>64963800>before ROTC students subdued and killed him, authorities said.Holy shit, imagine jobbing to cadets.
>>64963778>>64963794>>64963800we need to ban islam
>>64963800>>64963811They locked Americans for our school shootings, but now our kids will literally kill a shooter with their bare hands. Are you laughing now?>The students subdued him and “rendered him no longer alive,” Evans said. “I don’t know how else to say it.” She confirmed Jalloh wasn’t shot but didn’t provide further details.
>>64963810Can't call them cadidiots anymore.
>>64963801the introduction of the word "shill" to the 4chan vocabulary around 2014, and "glownigger" whenever terry davis really took off, have been a disaster>>64963817disalival-rendering
>>64963812honestly yeah. it's not compatible with our culture.
>>64963828That's what they said about the Irish.
>>64963817Adaptation runs quick, soon school shootings will be a thing of the past when all students just decide to pummel the fuck out of the idiot that tried something
the ROTC fucker was a naturalized citizen who was found guilty of supporting ISIS. why wasn't he denaturalized and deported after they left him out of prison (early also)
>>64963812Absolutely. Ban the presence of all Muslims except diplomatic personnel in the country. Demolish all mosques. Deport all Muslims to any Middle Eastern country of their choice. Permanently exile American-born citizens who have converted to Islam.
I'm on my way to being drunk. Someone give me a (you) if video or photos comes out.
>>64963833And look at where our civilization has ended up after we accepted those copper headed fucks. Accepting Irish people has been more detrimental to western civilization than both world wars, they should've stayed on the island
>>64963714So invent a better method, same as Martin-Baker did. All manner of affordable kinematic sensors (for superhumanly precise timing of the inevitably complex, convoluted escape mechanism) and mechanization options exist today that didn't when the these planes were designed in the 1960s. The failure to invest in new solutions speaks to a growing lack of humanity and foresight on leadership's part.
>>64963846Allow me to give a bit of a counterpoint: For a bird the size of a KC-135, it might be better to force the crew to crash in a manner safe to populations near domestic airfields because having that much mass with that much fuel crash in an un-optimal manner is worse than losing a crew of six, however experienced and valuable we know they are.
>>64963801>since Moot met Epstein
>>64962873The KC135 has landed under it's own power.
>>64963837You voted for it.
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/2032259272034144338
>>64963854Laying down your life for anothers' is considered above and beyond the call of duty, nor does that necessitate the entire crew be so committed. And doomed aircraft are just as often in a state incompatible with controlled flight well before impact.
>>64963865Technically the other one did too, just faster.
do they transfer fuel between the tankers. i bet the collided
>>64963886so just the tip? how would that cause the other plane to crash?
>>64963817damnimagine getting beaten to death when you presumably had the jump on them AND a firearmeternal shame
>>64963911Planes are very sensitive to bonks and boops. Flight is tumultuous.>>64963909Shut the fuck up liar
>>64963221Wait for NSTB report like everyone else
>>64963913Apparently they held him down while one of them stabbed him to death
>>64963362Compliancy kills
>>64963936Turbo based
>>64963221its an old ass aircraft and tanker operations are risky
>>64963927could that have boop bonked a whole wing off?
why has iraq been so quiet during all this? are the shia militas no longer that dedicated to iran? has Muqtada al-Sadr said anything? id imagine they are getting econoically raped with the tankers sitting tight
>>64963936bladed weapons keep winning
US losing more assets to friendly fire/accidents is the norm post-Vietnam. idk why people are so hysterical about a tanker crash landing in an accident.
When this is over the US IS going to bomb Israel, right?
>>64963117>Heroic Iraqi resistanceWhy the American didn't curd out the fucking PMF already?
>>64963957iraqi shias are doing jackshit. No Iranian proxies are except hezbollah. They forced hezbollah to drag lebanon into it now and now Lebanon is losing even more land and being reduced to rubble again.
>>64963967Nope. Just will be more muslims dying horribly.
>>64963946Yeah actually, a sudden jolt under weight and and over correction absolutely could have bonked off a wing, but more likely just knocked it into an unrecoverable dive
>>64963886that's a good amount of tail it is missing.
>>64963140They were removed because there's no point.If the aircraft is out of control, the G forces will make it impossible to retrieve a parachute, don it, make it to the door, open the door, and jump out safely. If the aircraft is still in control, you're better off staying inside and hoping for a soft landing rather than get pasted by the jetstream or the body of the plane after jumping.
>>64964005Probably oversped the refueling and impacted the belly of the other tanker with it
>>64963972I heard this was illegal because the US did not declare war before sinking it and it also refused to render aid to the sailors, letting them drown. Sri Lanka had to rescue them, that's pretty despicable but we also used negotiations to assassinate their leaders twice.
>>64964014
>>64964014Call the wahmbulance, probably shouldn't be sponsoring terrorism for 50 years
>>64963936Thread theme kekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh8p1kuvnrA
>>64964020Somehow I doubt you actually think that
We will rescue the survivors.
>>64964025Even if we have to fight our way to the crash site.
>>64963989>cia, nsamormon
How come Navy pilots haven't had any accidents yet in this war? Is there something wrong with the AF?
>>64963946B-52H 61-0023 had its entire tail ripped off just from a gust of turbulence. Somehow landed safely hours and hours later.
>>64964020That’s kind of gay.
>>64964014>we also used negotiations to assassinate their leaders twicepretty sure that was isreal. still fucked up regardless.
>>64963989>literal poisoning the well in action by equating talking about glowniggers to /pol/-tier antisemetism
>>64964014Since the end of WW2 and the Nuremberg trials, subs aren't legally expected to render aid because there's little they can do with limited space aboard, and subs that surface to help enemy sailors always get sunk anyway.
>The attack targeted Irbil in Iraq’s northern Kurdish region, President Emmanuel Macron said Friday on the social platform X.>Macron identified the soldier as Chief Warrant Officer Arnaud Frion of the 7th Battalion of Chasseurs Alpins from Varces.>“To his family, to his brothers in arms, I want to express all the affection and solidarity of the nation,” Macron said. “Several of our soldiers have been wounded. France stands by their side and with their loved ones.”>France said earlier that six soldiers were hurt in a drone attack in Irbil. French troops are in Iraq as part of a multinational counterterrorism mission supporting local forces in their fight against Islamic State militants.
>>64964014>illegalYou know war were declared when missiles and bombs come raining out of the sky, fruitcake. You don't send a diplomatic note. This isn't the 19th century.
>>64964066>19th centuryI remember America crying about pearl harbor for receiving the war declaration late by a couple of hours and even then in Roosevelt's speech at the congress he talked at lenght of the character of the aggression being sneaky. Seem to me that ww2 USA(20th century if you are that retarded and need the info) would think the current USA is a perfidious state.
>>64964080Which was unusual for the time, shit aint like that no more
>>64963728I SAID;NEITHER IS FUCKING ACCEPTABLE, AMERICANS SHOULD ONLY DIE FOR WHITE, CONSERVATIVE, MALE AMERICANS.EVERYONE ELSE IS LITERALLY NOT A HUMAN BEING.
>>64963669/leftypol/ has been trying to colonize it for some time now.
>>64963669Horseshoe theory chads stay winning.
>>64963812>>64963828And judaism.
The plane has no ejection, no bail out. They die if they crash. They crashed.
>>64963842I want to say you are being too harsh, but every city with a large irish population is an insufferable shithole; so
>>64963828Glad I'm not alone in this opinion.
>>64964111But what about bos... yeah ok
>>64963840Photo visible, fellow alchie.
>>64964114PA'AK DAH CAH INNA YAYD AN' ROW DOWNA WHINNOW
>>64964109Then we'll recovger their remains.
>>64964129>t.leftypol
>>64964035So Mormon that it was even a joke in the last 007 movie.
>>64963812>>64963828Give it a generation or two. They'll have female imams preaching about how jihad means evangelism and prayer times can be observed with a 30-second pause at your desk in no time.No guarantees for the Euros, but the US does strange things to religions.
That's what you get for hiring H1B pilots from bangalore.
>>64963886>we gaan
>>64964053before that. "cruiser rules" died in WWI.
>>64963618do we know the status of the other one? I'm assuming complete loss/loss of full crew?
>>64963957al-Sadr ordered his guys to not fight or go to Iran
>>64964190"Search ongoing", which mostly means "sometimes miracles happen, we're not going to let someone die of dehydration by assuming we didn't get one". Best to keep worst expectations.
>>64964011You fly wearing the parachute on your back. You're not going to retrieve it from somewhere. Reminds me of going through primary in the T34C and the exchange air force guys were shocked we still bailed out WW2 style. Eliminating the ability to hit the silk means you can reduce the size of the PR shop (or whatever it's called in the USAF) by a few people. But even when I was in like 15 years ago, Navy was uniformly trained and equipped for manual bail outs and that was considered very quaint and antiquated by USAF
>>64963701You're being reductive. Many posters give away the fact that they're jeets, niggers and faggots by the language they use. You, for instance, are obviously the product of long-term sexual abuse by your uncle who put his no-no in your poo-poo until you got "too old".
>>64964084>its fine to lower ourselves to that level because time has changedThe rhetoric of a criminal trying to justify himself.
>>64964261Sucks to suck i guess, wars just go undeclared now and have for 70 years. We're exiting the generational memory of declared wars
>>64964265Not untrue, but it does have some unpleasant knock-on effects about the distribution of war powers. We're probably going to have to amend the Constitution sometime this century, as insane as the prospect sounds.
>>64964018>Calls others terrorists>Assassinates religious leaders to start wars>Uses negotiations to do assassinations>Starts an ethnic cleansing against a captive people with no rightsYeah. Why does Israel post so much here though?
>>64964053We still have plenty of ships in the area though.
>>64963690Statement said no friendly or enemy fire so either catastrophic failure or an accident.
>>64964278An ammendment has been a long time coming, they used to be like 10 to 20 years but there hasnt been one in 33
>>64964279Odd how none of irans neighbors are helping them in this glorious jihad tho, almost as if da jooooooos are a lesser evil to the rabid dog next door.
>>64962873That's what winning looks like (for Iran)
>>64964286>if we keep getting bombed eventually the americans will run out of planes due to crashesIts a bold strategy
>>64964282Yeah, that's why I use the hyperbolic language. Maybe I'm just burned because the only amendment proposals I've been hearing for the last 10 years are the kind of "rig it for /myteam/" bullshit that's going to be DOA if entered. Anyway, my mind is on some kind of Congressional oversight that can be kept behind closed doors, either taking the Defense committee or building a new one, and they have to be briefed in and approve (unanimously?) of any operation before it can be launched. Then Congress as a whole more-or-less has the power to pull a vote of no confidence in a military operation, so formally enshrine that they can force the President to knock it off at any time.
>>64964304I think the no confidence vote is needed, but fuuuuck the pre brief would just alert the enemy
>>64964312Hence the part about keeping it to a smaller group with security clearance that can be informed in closed session. But I empathize with the caution, finding a safe spot for both oversight and not leaking is paramount to any of that working.
>>64963936Sad when they go young like that.
>>64962950>>64963251>F-35 shot down>look inside>Kuwaiti F-18
>>64963421>taken for graniteProtip: if it's not your native language (or you're retarded), don't try to use idioms.
>>64962873eternal flight
>>64964343More likely to be a native english speaker if they misspell, also posted during american waking hours. Unlike me, who decided to take that night differential and get paid to sit at a desk.
>>64964343lurk moar newfag
>>64962950I mean fuck it right? In for a penny in for a pound
>>64964343Mistakes like that are a diamond dozen in a doggy dog world like ours, and anyway I'm sitting here with insomnia in the eastern and specific timezoneIt was 80 fuckin' degrees yesterday and it snowed today
>>64962950>>64964342zogbots FEAR kuwaiti top gun
>>64964173>the Handley-Page Victor but with podded engines>the fucking pose on the parachutist in the background
>>64964279>everything in this post applies to the Iranians
>Iran becomes the USA's Ukraine
>>64962946forget about the missile, how the fuck did the americans manage to lift the USS Lexington from the bottom of the ocean and send it to iraq?
>>64964153would
>our troops are hyper competent and invincible. Just look at venezuela!>our troops are retards that crash their planes into each other, and shoot each others planes down
>>64964586>i view white people as superhuman>that means i'm winning!
>>64964014>we also used negotiations to assassinate their leaders twice.Which Western leader was assassinated by turdies during negotiations? Didn't hear anything about that.
>>64964153I'll wait till they preach that jumping on a white man's dick is better than a prayer (for them in fact it is)
>>64963097what strange gaslighting
>>64963368>>64963464You can do it, Amuro!>>64964036There have almost certainly been some class Cs, maybe even a B or two, those just typically don't hit national news. Stuff like running a tractor into a weapons pylon and whatnot. >>64964014Uh-huh.>Declared war in 1979>ended in cease-fire>A "cease-fire" peppered by constant acts of war perpetrated against the US on a better-than-annual basis>repeatedly renewed declaration of war, most recently in November>Submarines are bastards but they have to be and are allowed to be>Accompanying ship that ran up the white flag was allowed to return to port unharmed and be interned, in accordance with international law>Captain openly defied warnings and calls to surrenderNah, this is a garden variety combatant eating shit. >NegotiationsThe Iranians walked in, announced that the only concessions they'd accept would be at swordpoint, and swanned back out. They literally asked for it. Fuck 'em.
>>64964600what did he mean by this
>>64964651Pretty simple, brownoids like the arabic iranians see white people as super human. Thus killing maybe 10 of them is seen as a great victory even though it threw their nation into ruin.
>>64964648>Submarines are bastardsHow are they? It's not a warcrime to kill your enemy's soldiers.
>>64963043>this is thr kind of stuff that happens when you use your shit enough times.The type of thing you would never see posted on this board if it was a non western plane
>>64963801Trvke
>>64963783who the fuck died and appointed you speech policeman
>>64964693>use it enoughPrecisely why it wouldn't be said about non-Western planes.
>>64964693Yes, because there's a difference between individual retardation and institutional retardation. When a US plane crashes, it's because one or more people fucked up a basic task or a judgement call. When a third-world plane crashes, it's because that airframe was in no shape to fly because the replacement has been stuck in development hell for 20 years sucking up yacht money, the spare parts factory shut down 30 years ago, the stockpiles got sold off by the depot commander to buy a villa, the ground technician was drunk on duty, the squadron leader reported it as "acceptable condition" so that he wouldn't get passed up for promotion, and the pilot took it up anyway because such is life in the glorious multipolar world.
>>64963362>Shit we might actually be doing better in a active warzone lolThat's kind of understandable, they're certainly going to be a little sharper in an active theatre.
>>64964721That's a nice theory but it's totally undermined by US aircraft losses from various errors being roughly equivalent (accounting number operated obviously) with every major air force, especially in the past few years.
>>64964319>keeping it to a smaller group with security clearance that can be informed in closed sessionDidn't Obama more or less do that with the Senate Intelligence Committee being consulted or involved in drone strikes?
>>64964729>every major air forceMost of which are Western, and good fucking luck getting solid numbers out of China ever. So that leaves Russia.>accounting number operated obviouslyA better case would be the flight hours:crash ratio, since the argument is that it's the result of more operations. Anyone have a source for that?
how the fuck do you even midair two KC-135s
>>64964721>that airframe was in no shape to fly because the replacement has been stuck in development hell for 20 yearsThat happens all the time in the western MIC too.It's sometimes yacht money (in the form of executive bonuses, shareholder dividends, and board member salaries that are just kickbacks by a different name) but unmanageable bureaucracy, petty officials, and other political bullshit are right up there too, just like the soviets.
>>64964757detail
>>64964757>how the fuck do you even midair two KC-135sTankers top each other up all the time.I can't tell whether the tail-damaged tanker went under the other too high or the other tanker pitched up and clipped the tail with their nose. I suppose the former is more likely.
>>64963812Every place needs to ban Islam and Judaism and genital mutilation.
>>64964747India's probably counts as major too, and good fucking lord those loss rates.
>>64964757women pilots
>>64964757There's at least some KC-135s that are capable of bottoming, that would by my first guess. Or maybe somebody took the Blue Angles interpretation of close formation.
>>64964757Every now and then a bottom will try to be top, and its really a 50/50 chance it turns into a rodeo
>>64964757that's what you get for sticking with flying boom like a load of retards
>>64964771>tankers usually top>this one can bottomSo what you are saying is the KC-135 is a switch?
>>64962924Kek
>>64964799It sounds like the top wasn't ready to deal with a powerbottom.
>>64963812Honestly being a part of any religion should be frowned upon, it's a kind of mental ailment.
>>64964786Flying boom has the advantage of higher throughput, and less pipework in the fueled aircraft. Though admittedly its disadvantages are equally considerable.
>>64964820>imagine being this wrongIt would be peppered like a deer crossing sign in rural kentucky if that was the case
>>64964823>Islam and Judaism aren't religions, they're cults, they're much worse than regular religions such as Christianity or Buddhism or Shintoism.You only say that because you haven't encountered the orthodox/fundamentalist factions of those.Even Buddhism can get into massacring rival religions if they get enough power in a society and the wrong people in charge.Tibet was a fucking nightmare before the Chinese conquered it, Tibetans are legitimately better off under the Chinese boot than they were under the Lamas and that's saying something because the Chinese are pretty brutal to them.>>64964827>if that was the caseYou have already put more thought and energy into rebutting that post than the shill/troll put into posting it.
>>64964823Sorry but either you're brown jeet or your "religion" is a sect of Judaism. Anyway, believing in some omnipotent being is a mental illness.
>>64964817Whats the bet this anons IP is from the Himalayas.
>>64962873bwahahahhahaha. Good
>>64964834Zero. I'm a godless realist from eastern earpoop.
>>64964771>>64964799>>64964810L-lewd!
>>64964838Oh, a Communist.
>>64964757trump dei hires
>>64964839Just wait for someone to eventually draw them as anime girls anon!>>64964850kek
>>64964850Kys nigger faggot, I'm not a commie.
>>64964831>your "religion" is a sect of Judaism.Christianity isn't a sect of Judaism. Christianity is an explicity anti-Judaic religion.
>>64963800>He had yelled “Allahu Akbar” before the shooting, which left one person dead and two wounded, according to the FBI.Christ, didn't know sandpeepo are capable of using such powerful magic
>>64964838>realistThat's vague. Are you a materialist or an idealist?
>>64964873Cope more, dumbass. Your "religion" is a Judaist sect, you worship the same god. The only difference is you believe that Jesus is Mashiach when Jews think he isn't.
>>64964874Commas are hard for journos, please understand.>>64964877Which one gets to fuck your sister? I'm that one.
>>64964870There's a little bit more of a point behind it, though I might have to get a bit schizo to explain it. If there is one consistent pattern to atheism, it is that it inevitably devolves into the enshrinement of the State as a divine proxy. People will always venerate something, it is an inherent trait of the human experience. Communism, and more broadly Socialist ideals as a whole, heavily push atheism for this reason, because the State shall have no other gods before it, and even when severed from the font, traces still linger. Being an atheist in Eastern Europe makes you vaguely Communist in the same way that America is vaguely Christian; a lingering echo of an ancestral norm.
>>64964874>in their tongue he is caprakien: goat born!>¡alla-hua-k'bar!
>>64964868>draw them as anime girlsTankers are clearly futas.
>>64964786you planning on swapping spit tanker to tanker with a drogue? are ya fucking retarded? this isn't the navy. they pack a bit more girth than captain hindgrinder is used to.
>>64964874>>He had yelled “Allahu Akbar” before the shooting, which left one person dead and two wounded, according to the FBI.Ayman ibn Mohamad ibn Mohamad ibn Mohamad Al Ghazali no longer needs the weirding module!
>>64964893Why would you post a picture of a genocidal subhuman? Anyway, if you're retarded enough to search for something to worship, choose idk, humanity as a whole, our planet etc. Literal billions of years of evolution concentrated right here, now. Doesn't it tickle your peanuts? Why do you need to degrade all this into "hurr durr an oldman in white rags just made it so"
>>64964874he eats, allahu akbars, and leaves
>>64963539You should replace the two with Erika Kirk, more likely these days.
>>64964903I assure, I am a real Christian. Christianity is based on the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, whose coming was prophecised in some verses in the Old Testament, the problem is that the Old Testament is an unrelaible mixture of true prophecies and facts, and straight up myths, the latter examples include God supposedly commanding the murder of the Amaleks, or Noah's flood, or the complete destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. No early Christians ever believed that those horrible events actually happened.
>Four killed after US refuelling plane crashes in Iraq, military confirmshttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0dz5ql17vo
>>64964903there is a good bit of metaphor in the new testament as well. have you read revelations? there is no good way to interpret that coherently other than as metaphor for the fall of the roman empire.i mean, unless you are gearing up to fight fucking dragons and your water filtration system is designed to defeat wormwood contamination. but nobody does that.i'm not so much arguing with you than i am with the other guy. what people choose to take on faith as literally biblically true and what they interpret as metaphor is why we have so many different denominations.when someone plants a flag saying "up to this point it is wrong" means they just declared that their own personal interpretation is right. that might get you a couple followers as a street preacher trying to enlighten the bums with your charisma. but everyone else thinks you are a self-centered asshole. especially when you get all stupid about it on the internet.
>>64964903NTA. This is one of those big divides that nobody calling himself a Christian these days knows enough about to explain properly. Basically, one of the big messes in early Christianity was when the Gnostics got into it and started trying to mold it to fit what they already had. This is where the Demiurge went from "trying his best and it's not really working" to Demiurge as "made a giant fucking prison to torture us all", with Satan taking on that role. When this raises the question of all the times Jesus was foretold in the Old Testament, the line becomes "well akshually Jesus was supposed to be the Antichrist, but God did a sneaky". A variant of this string eventually resurfaced in early foundational National Socialist texts, with Jesus being presented as the Son of Odin.Off in the more mainstream of Christianity, the idea took root that God had forsaken the Jews as a genetic lineage, and Israel exists as the Church. To->>64964928Hang up, I need to tear this dipshit limb from limb.YEAH, NONE OF THEM EVER THOUGHT THAT THESE THINGS HAPPENED, THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THEM IN THE FUCKING CANON AND DECLARED THEM THE INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD! BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT! IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ALSO PUT TOGETHER THE APOCRYPHA SPECIFICALLY FOR THINGS THAT THEY FOUND VALUABLE BUT COULDN'T VERIFY THE AUTHENTICITY OF! IT'S NOT LIKE THEY DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED EVERYTHING THEY THOUGHT WAS BULLSHIT LIKE THE MISHNAH AFTER ALL!
>>64964930>four of six crewwell shit. crash landing a KC-135 with a load of fuel doesn't end in an all-consuming fireball.
>>64964945No, that's just four bodies recovered. Fucking jurno scum still can't right an accurate headline.https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2032389087491985700
>>64964100Gay
>>64964944Augustine:“We must show the way to find out whether a phrase is literal or figurative. And the way is certainly as follows: whatever there is in the word of God that cannot, when taken literally, be referred either to purity of life or soundness of doctrine, you may set down as metaphorical. Purity of life has reference to the love of God and one’s neighbor; soundness of doctrine to the knowledge of God and one’s neighbor.”
>>64964950ah. i should have known better.i wish i could be as bad at my job as journos are. seems like decent pay and you never have to do it correctly. but i live in the real world with a real job and am held accountable for the shit i do.
>>64964956Augustine, a paragraph later:But as men are prone to estimate sins, not by reference to their inherent sinfulness, but rather by reference to their own customs, it frequently happens that a man will think nothing blameable except what the men of his own country and time are accustomed to condemn, and nothing worthy of praise or approval except what is sanctioned by the custom of his companions; and thus it comes to pass, that if Scripture either enjoins what is opposed to the customs of the hearers, or condemns what is not so opposed, and if at the same time the authority of the word has a hold upon their minds, they think that the expression is figurative. Now Scripture enjoins nothing except charity, and condemns nothing except lust, and in that way fashions the lives of men. In the same way, if an erroneous opinion has taken possession of the mind, men think that whatever Scripture asserts contrary to this must be figurative."
>>64964970>Now Scripture enjoins nothing except charityBashing the heads of children against walls doesn't seem very charitable, yet that's what Jews falsely think God ordered to be done to Amalek children.
>>64964978I was hoping you'd go there.I mean by charity that affection of the mind which aims at the enjoyment of God for His own sake, and the enjoyment of one’s self and one’s neighbor in subordination to God; by lust I mean that affection of the mind which aims at enjoying one’s self and one’s neighbor, and other corporeal things, without reference to God. Again, what lust, when unsubdued, does towards corrupting one’s own soul and body, is called vice; but what it does to injure another is called crime.>yet that's what Jews falsely think God ordered to be done to Amalek children.God alone is qualified to make that call. God is perfection, all-seeing and all-knowing. He is mercy, and he is justice. You reject the idea of God calling men to violence out of hand, instead of accepting the obvious conclusion that He was RIGHT to do so.
>>64964990>God alone is qualified to make that callMurdering children is evil, if God commanded children to be murdered, then God would be evil. You cannot claim that God is perfection, and yet believe that God would command murder, an evil.
>>64965012>russia went through the trouble of making a working ejection system for their ka52and hows that working out for them?
>>64964129>despite >>64963641 > having been posted just before this seethe post, it still felt brave enough to push it's metoditchka/uhg/ is probably one of the few white places left on nu/pol/ my brown illiterate friend.
>>64965006>Murdering children is evil, if God commanded children to be murdered, then God would be evil.What if its baby Hitler?
>>64965012>lol lawnmower engine drone!>lol flushing shirts down toilet!>lol parachutes!why do all of you guys say the exact same things?
>>64963701>i-it's like they don't understand what anonymous meansno, what anonymous means is that you're not so easily identified if you type like everyone else, if you behave like a rabid, schizophrenic shill that can't stop spamming shitty leftypol memes and goes on long rants about le westfallen 24/7 then people don't have to put in any effort to identify where you come from, anonymity is something you have to maintain, not something that's gifted to you on a silver platter, but the schizophrenics that flood this place from time to time don't understand that, and thus get angry when they stick out like a sore thumb.
>>64965033How do you discern God's direct commands from your own schizo thoughts?
War, famine, disease, genocide. Death, in a million different forms, often painful and protracted for the poor individual wretches involved. What god would so arrange the universe to predispose its creations to experience such suffering, or be the cause of it in others? What master of simulations or arbitrator of a game would set up the initial conditions to the same pitiless effect? God or programmer, the charge would be the same: that of near-infinitely sadistic cruelty; deliberate, premeditated barbarism on an unspeakably horrific scale.
>>64965035Simple: they're not. Standing orders are to go out and make disciples of all the nations. You mistake me for a lunatic looking for cosmic justification to murder. Many such men have existed, and they have soured you to the truth that God kills, and He is entirely right when he does so. For the wages of sin is DEATH, and He is the Master.
>>64965012>angry contrarian crawls back like a beaten woman whenever something mildly inconveniences the USthis is the ultimate proof for me that you guys view yourselves as animals next to me.i mean, I'M not even the one saying it, literally every single time something goes wrong and a teeny tiny number of white people die, you guys treat it as if you've slain a demigod, that's you saying that, not me.
>>64965033Murder is unjustified killing, in what way is bashing children's brains against walls justified? If you answer that it is justified because God can kill Humans however he wants, whenever he wants, for any reason, or no reason, he wants, unbound by any senses of justice and goodness, then what is the difference between God and a tyrant? Are God's actions bound by goodness or not? Or is goodness completely arbitrary to the point where God can just decide that evil is now "good", just because he says so?
>>64965048>For the wages of sin is DEATHWhat sins did the Amalek children commit to warrant being murdered?
>>64965033god's authority is pretty weak, since he doesn't actually exist. you are giving authority over your life to a psychological mindvirus, and you consider your servility and ease of manipulation worth it because you are too weakspirited to cope with the realities of life on your own.i understand that this might seem inconcievable to you, but there are countless atheists (agnostics or whatever you want to call them, titles really don't matter since these people don't cling to them) around the world that go through life without the light of god, and don't fall prey to suicide, nihilism, amorality or worship for the state, you project these things onto me because subconsciously you know that YOU are too weak to avoid these things without a deity to guide you. plenty of people however, are not, they have their own modus operandi, have their own self-developed reason to exist, and have a strong moral compasses extracted from the very best of human instinct, shunning the bad.TL;DR you are an extremely weak person if you need a higher authority to not live like an animal or kill yourself.
>>64965052>750i'm sure it was real in your mind, and even if it was actually true, it wouldn't diminish my point at all lol, you view yourself as an animal next to me, if 2000 of your people die, it will have been worth it just to kill me, in a way it's kind of flattering.>resorted towhat's desperate about that? explain your logic, little one.
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>>64965064>to a warzoneno they didn't, are you okay in the head?explain why you're so fixated on this cop thing, you're shaking in your chair and your extremely histrionic method of writing makes it very difficult to discern what's actually got you so worked up.again, dozens of iranians get squashed every day, along with their equipment, and i don't even raise an eyebrow, but the US is slightly inconvenienced in some way and you start talking to me like an abused child that just got a lollipop for the first time in his life, explain why that is.
>>64965051>>64965054To be human is to be sinful. This is the most basic premise of Christianity. It is in our blood and our souls. Yes, it really is that damned simple. Every second we breathe upon this earth is a mercy He extends to us, not life for life's sake, for life is pain, but to acknowledge our wicked ways and cling to Him. Yes, it is that simple. Vengeance is His sacred right, and He is ALWAYS correct when He chooses to wield it. He knows the heart of every man, as intimately as you know your own, but without the lies we tell ourselves to convince ourselves that we are not so bad. This is the true article of faith, to trust His judgement in all things. Without this being the rightful fate of all men, what need have we of the Cross in the first place?>>64965056By flawed standards, yes. But what men call a good man and what God calls flawless are very different things. Sin is not evil; it is originally a term taken from archery, meaning "anything less than the bullseye". The standard is not "good", it is "perfection". One man in all of history has attained it, and He has chosen to cover us under his wing, if only we will accept it.
>>64965089>what god callsgod doesn't exist, so this doesn't make any sense.the best parts of theology are literally just people pretending that an omnipotent being is signal boosting all the best "ideal and perfect" parts of natural human behaviour like empathy, selfless sacrifice, working for a greater cause, using your aggression and killing instincts to stand up for the weak, level-headedness and controlling emotional impulses, all things that have been divined as the best humanity has to offer in many different religions independently despite all of these behaviours existed long before them.the goodness of man and it's future potential is in us, the people, it does not need to be bestowed by a higher power. striving for perfection that can never be reached is good, but that perfection is not divined out of listening to a mindvirus.
>>64963013They’re dead lmao
>>64965096Yeah, you kinda got dragged into the deep end here, with all the shit-flinging about stuff that you don't get at Sunday school. I should probably state for the record that man is not pure evil. As you say, there is something good in there. Christianity attributes it to the other side of man, being made in God's image, and so we retain the instinctual urge to good things just as much as the wrong. This is a high-end discussion about those parts of the Bible where God does some things that really make us instinctually squick, and everything from there comes down to "God says he did these things, do you trust Him to be as correct in those actions as He is in all others, or do you say 'oh, my God would never do that', and if you do so, are we even worshiping the same God anymore?"
>>64965089>To be human is to be sinful.If that's true, then it would be pretty stupid for God to hold it against us, since He created us.>Vengeance is His sacred rightWhat did the Amalek children due to warrant vengeance? You're talking platitudes without explaining yourself.
>>64964343You underestimate how retarded Americans are and how poor their understanding of the English language is.
>>64965104why is that funny?
>>64965110>i should state that man is not pure evili never said that you thought it was.ultimately this image of god was created by man, and thus it's not too surprising that we occassionally see the lesser, animalistic and more psychopathic traits of humanity sometimes expressed in the gods that man created and worships. even non-religious people will have moments of weakness where they have a strong desire and wish for someone or a group of people to suffer deeply for some percieved slight or simply for being different. when you're religious, it makes it all the more easy to externalize these feelings and justify it as an action by an infallible omnipotence who's intentions are impossible for man to understand anyway, but rest assured it's alright because he is god. the people who preach about divine perfection to me tend to gloss over how extremely petty and human/human-inspired all these gods tend to act, even the monotheistic ones with ultimate power over all domains.
Damn. Why does it seem like the worse is yet to come.
>>64965144your childhood isn't funny anondo you have people you can talk to about it?
>>64965144>zogbotskekman those zogbots must have a lot more value than you, if every single instance of a zogbot dying is worth thousands of dead mudslimes.why do you value your own lives so little?
I don't know guys, I'm already starting to get worried about this whole war with Iran...
>>64965162no, he hates white people, whom he calls "zogbots", and almost every single person who hates white people is a brownoid lol.
>>64965162you're doing the same thing against jews tho
>>64965167>he hates White peopleHow did you get this? Last time I checked the only countries fighting in this Jewish war were America, Israel, and Iran.>>64965168Am I wrong though? How else besides Americans(indoctrinated philosemites) and literal Jews would take issue with American soldiers being called ZOGbots?
>>64965174>rule for tee but not for me!this kind of thinking is why the west is going down the drainuniversality is why slavery ended and property rights were grantedstop undermining the civilization that brought you the infrastructure you're using to access this website
>>64965174*Who else
>>64965152>being this much of a weepy faggot>>64965161You remind of that russian pow that said, “I’d rather suck Putin’s cock than Biden’s”, have you ever thought about being your own man and not dying for Israels dream? Or not, I don’t care. I’ll enjoy watching Iran get bombed to shit and I’ll enjoy watching the occasional American get pasted.
>>64965116He did not create us sinful, that was Adam's decision. Why was he given the choice? Because true love is a mutual assent. The freedom to choose fundamentally must include the freedom to choose poorly. Allow me to move out of hard doctrine and into washy opinion. Perhaps you've heard the term "age of accountability". If not, it is a school of thought that God does not condemn people for actions taken before they were truly capable of making decisions. I don't believe in a hard number, but I believe that God is able to and does judge people in accordance to their circumstance. God exists outside of time, and He weighs eternity in His hand. He knew who each one of them would have been, how each one would have taken to Jesus had they lived thousands of years later. And I trust that in both their deaths and their judgements that He made the correct decision. The flesh is a fickle, fleeting thing; God looks upon the eternal soul and makes His decisions with a clarity of information that you or I cannot possess in this life.But ultimately, that's just what makes intuitive sense to me, there are many ways I could be wrong. In any case, I hold the anchor that God remains perfect, even when something does not make immediate sense to my sensibilities. Gold has said that He has done these things. God has said that He is perfection. God has said that He has given us His Word, that we might know Him. Either all of these things are true, or God is a liar. And if God is a liar, then what hope have we?
>>64965177I don't understand what you're saying. Jews have never benefited anyone, anywhere, at anytime.
>>64963006Now.. this may seem too obvious but if a refueler can fly over to a second refueler, why refuel the second refueler instead of just.. replacing it?
>>64965183>that was Adam's decision.So you're saying Adam, not God, is the creator of the Human species? Or was Humanity originally God's creation, but Adam, the mere mortal, was so powerful that he overpowered God and ruined God's creation against God's wishes, and God was powerless to stop him?You still haven't explained how the Amalek children being murdered is somehow justified by your platitudes.
>>64963221Always wear your kippah when posting here.
>>64965194Okay, I gotta ask, what fucking non-denominational micro-schism are you from? Or are you the other anon that I filled in on at the same time, and I have to go back completely to square one? Because that's not "I don't trust the Old Testament", that's "I have never opened a Bible in my life"-tier.
>>64965177> t. Pvt Gomez, 1st Latrine Division, USS Abraham Lincoln
>>64965224*these*omnipotent
>>64965174>america>n-no america isn't white.just a reminder, the people you call mutts, among the US population, are whiter than you."mutt" is a silly thing to call someone when you yourself are 100% brown, anon.
>>64965130Because worse is yet to come
>>64965180>i'd rather suck putin's cock than bidensyeah that describes you to a tea, you insist on cocksucking the enemies of the US because you are a terminal contrarian, unable to stop yourself from mindlessly serving whoever you think will beat the US.you can just stop sucking cocks, anon, you don't have to suck mudslime cock like you're doing now in order to hate jews.
>>64965244it's fighting this war because iran has been a pain in the ass for global trade for years, independent of what israel wants or thinks.but you are so demoralized you are set in your retarded worldview that the US is an israeli colony, when the truth is the other way around.>b-but i'm a demoralized loser and i think jews control the world!don't care then, you're very hard to take seriously.
>>64965244I probably wouldn't agree with you on a lot of this but christ, I can't imagine what a shitshow it'd be if a politician from another country regularly talked about Israel or somewhere else like this. I don't believe the Jews control everything but I've come to understand why some do.
>>64965243>no u Wow great argument dipshit, and you apparently can’t read either. Are you Army or Marines?
>>64965253>iran has been a pain in the ass for global trade for yearsIronic you say this, 20% of the world's oil supply sailed out of the strait of Hormuz before this war, how much sails out now?>>64965258You're in complete denial if you still doubt that America's political system hasn't been subverted by Jews.
>>64965224>to permanently change the creations of God, who is onnipotent and omniscient, without His consent?And that is the point. Love requires choice. God gave Adam and Eve the option to choose. To do anything less would not be love, it would be a glorified chatbot running programmed responses.>Original sin isn't anywhere in the Bible, for startersRunning down that rabbit hole will probably take us too far off the beaten path, we're past bump limit, and any minute now the mod is going to walk in and start swinging. So instead, I will take that argument and run with it. If there is no original sin, then their deaths were unambiguously a GOOD thing, because it spared them the opportunity to fall. I will not follow that particular implication to its logical conclusion. But ultimately, that also ties into my final answer, because you are asking the impossible of me. You want me to read the hearts of people who died thousands of years ago with the clarity of God's own vision and tell you what He saw in them. I cannot do this for you. Instead, I take it as an article of faith that God remains God in all things, and I will not truly know the full context until I set foot in His kingdom. That is why I accused you of having weak faith, and I should apologize for the harshness of my tone, that served no value and made this worse than it needed to be. I hope that clarity will come to you in time, but I will accept that it's not going to happen this morning.
>>64965269>n-no ui'm just asking you to stop relentlessly sucking mullah penis, anon, it's not that hard. you can hate jews without randomly seething about american superiority on behalf of the brown people.
>>64965185except they pioneered the business loan industry that led to all the infrastructure you use to access this website. >but LE INTERESTevery culture with interest free loans is a shithole
>>64965277NTA, but if your case comes back to just 'he's infallible', it's not going to be convincing to someone looking for a rational argument. You're essentially just stating an article of faith at that point, which is only going to come across as a valid argument if they already hold the same view as you.Perfectly valid to hold that view, but not much good in a discussion.
>>64965271>how much sails out nowthanks to iran chimping out? less.
>>64965277Your entire position rests on the veracity of those Old Testament verses concerning the genocide of the Amaleks, you have faith that those verses, from scriptures thousands of years old, originally passed down orally from generation to generation, along with the ensuing mistakes that morph oral tradition, and then later written down around the 3rd century BC, were actually divinely inspired. Out of curiosity, do you also beloeve thar Noah's flood occurred as described, that all the animals on Earth today, are descendants of those pairs of their ancestors that Noah stuffed into one boat?
>>64965292Yes, indeed. Again, I should probably apologize to all you poor guys getting caught in the crossfire. This is relatively in-depth amateur theology that is going to be utterly useless to anyone not prepared to take the Jesuspill first.>>64965297Correct. I can even explain the genetics of it, but I have had very little fortune trying to discuss it with anyone not well-versed in DNA, and it's going to come across even more schizo-sounding than where we've been before without that.
>>64965314Even if the DNA evidence confirmed Noah's flood, how did millions of pairs of animals, from all over the world, across all biomes, some animals not very migratory at all, all converge at one spot on Earth, and enter Noah's ark, in perfect obeidiance to him, contrary to their wild and non-docile nature's, while not eating each other, and somehow fit into one single boat, that remained seaworthy with all the millions of tons of animals it was carrying? How did the Earth's nature recover from such an apocalyptic flood? How did the Ocean's animals recover from such a drastic drop in ocean salinity? Lastly, I take it that you're an Evangelical, and a biblical literalist?
>>64965314>getting caught in the crossfireno, i'm mostly just amused by you proving my point.you are unable to even imagine a life without your deity, which makes it impossible to have a real conversation about the verasity of said deity, you are brainwashed, so to speak.>b-but it makes me feel goodyeah, that's kind of the point of a good mindvirus, a good mindvirus makes it impossible for you to live without it or even imagining what that is like.
>>64964721>When a US plane crashes, it's because one or more people fucked up a basic task or a judgement call. When a third-world plane crashes, it's because that airframe was in no shape to fly because the replacement has been stuck in development hell for 20 years sucking up yacht money,But enough about the KC-135!
>>64965345your post is incoherent and so retarded it doesn't even imply which side of the dichotomy laid out is supposed ot be referring to the KC-135 (in your head, not reality, mind you)this war has completely mindbroken the third world contrarians.
>>649637454chan has always been brownoids, you just assumed we were white because every post didn't start and end with ooga booga ching chong allahuakbar, and when it finally dawned on you it broke your brain and you respond to everything now with racial slurs
>>64965359>and other fantasies that play around inside my headlol>>64965361>44chan h-has always been brownoidsno, it had always been white people until you showed up and pretended you were part of us.you still do not belong, even today.
>>64965360That's a lot of sneething because you're too illiterate to pick up basic context clues
>>64965370Is this the part where we embarrass ourselves by admitting who is the biggest loser? I've been here since 2006, what about you? Are you a bigger loser than me?
>>64965324>millions of pairs of animalsAnd that's where the genetics come into play: it wasn't. I do have answers for all of these except the salinity, I've never examined that in detail, I'll have to add it to the list. Putting all of it down in writing is going to be a somewhat mammoth effort, and as I said, it sounds fucking nuts if you're not of an ear to hear it because of how thoroughly we as a society have conditioned ourselves into a mindset that has already decided that the flood is impossible. I'd love to lay it out at a more leisurely pace in a better space if you're truly interested.>Lastly, I take it that you're an Evangelical, and a biblical literalist?Give or take, yes. Once you begin accepting that the Bible doesn't mean what it says, you open a crack in the foundation that all kinds of things can start falling out of until people (not you specifically, this is a mass trends thing) are throwing out the idea that salvation comes through Christ alone, because that just sounds so mean, why would God limit people like that?>>64965344I could have that discussion with you at a later time, as well, if you'd like. If not, then enjoy your chew toy, I guess.
>>64965289>Not dying for Netanyahu = brown> t. Pvt Jose Ramon Gomez Goy cattle being burnt to grease will never cease to be hilarious. If crying about it helps you then that’s cool I guess.
>>64965386>Once you begin accepting that the Bible doesn't mean what it says, you open a crack in the foundation that all kinds of things The Bible is not the basis of Christianity, the Church is, the Church doesn't serve the Bible, the Bible serves the Church. The Bible isn't a unified text written by one author, you know that I presume, but some parts of the Bible being incorrect does not disprove the entire Bible.
>>64965405Ah, Catholic. As you expect, I plead divine inspiration and preservation in the case of the Books of Moses prior to their formal recording, plus blah blah the Church (in totality, not tradition-specific) is way too prone to screwing up to stand as its own foundation, blah blah you know the drill.
>>64965405Addendum:>but some parts of the Bible being incorrect does not disprove the entire Bible.I don't disagree. My concern is what Christians themselves do with it once they start taking a black highlighter to verses that don't make sense to them.
>>64965378>guy acts like the average Jan6'erCall me shocked
>>64965371>i don't know how to write>w-which means you must have misinterpreted!no, your sentence was simply incoherent.
>>64965378>if i keep insisting that i belong here, it will become truenope, the influx of inorganic browns that flooded 4chan is a well documented event.
>>64964959>i wish i could be as bad at my job as journos are. seems like decent pay and you never have to do it correctlyI'd tell you to blame the internet but it was this way with TV too.https://youtu.be/q6JJVOgGKnU>every second you're not current, a thousand people are changing channel to the guy who isThe internet just brought this from cable news to the online editions of print media.Journalists aren't strictly being punished for being accurate or rewarded for being inaccurate but they're rewarded for being first and punished for being late and accuracy takes time that their bosses won't give them.After a generation or two of this, the people in anchor and columnist positions are the ones that have made peace with this or support it, the rest have fallen by the wayside or are on deep background investigative journalism that occasionally breaks the odd story the old fashioned way in one hour specials on cable.
>>64964278An amendment won't fix blatant violation of the constitution. The executive does not have the powers to start a war, and yet Congress is letting this happen without their say so. They either need to get on board or put a stop to it. Abdicating authority is how the government breaks down.
>>64965052>deploying NYPD cops to kuwaitHuh?
>>64965494Senate said let him cook.
>>64965526But you realize even that is wrong, right? Congress hasn't granted the President authority to carry out a war. Yes, he has limited times for strikes, but he currently does not have an AUMF. Congress should give him one if that is what they believe. They should not just refuse to decide one way or another, and this is what that is.
Centcom says the crew is all dead, presumably they found the bodies then.
>>64965749>crew is all deadno fucking shit
>>64964648>Iran and the US are in an official state of warReal schizo hours. Also the US told Iraq to invade Iran and we sold them the precursors to produce chemical weapons, the same ones Iraq used against it's own civilians to to kill something 250,000? Iranians. This is because the Shah, AKA a puppet ruler, was overthrown. Sounds like we are interfering in their domestic stuff to me.
>>64965907They didn't have to tell Iraq to do that, they had tried in 1974 while the Shah was in power too. And in typical American fashion we ended up supplying both sides. As for sources of Iraqi chemical weapons it was primarily Germany and the US simply not stopping it because they were fighting Iran.
>>64965921>A US client state controlled by the US did it, not the USAmazing argument. We started arming Iran because it was apparent they did not lose the war. and thought this would help us retain influence on the country. Arming both sides doesn't make the US look good in any lens, such a weird statement to make.
>>64965937I'm not making an argument. It's you who has an argument.
>>64965941I made a statement of fact. We did sell them the precursors to make chemical weapons and we defended them using them against civilians. This is after we encouraged Iraq to invade Iran.
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>>64965960As I said, you have an argument that this is true and relevant. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure no one cares that Germany sold them chemical weapons.
>>64965983>Confronted with facts>Continued denialCrazy, really. Also, Iran never declared war on the US ever and the US never declared war on Iran before attacking them, and starting an actual war. So there was never a formal state of war. Despite the fact the US overthrew Mosadeqh in the 50's. So IDK what point you are trying to make.
>>64963778>4925th test groupWhere are the other 4924th test groups? I mean I know the USAAF was big in ww2 but was it THAT big?
>>64964057may he rest in peace.
>>64963846There isn't a better method. Effectiveness and surety of egress is a tradeoff with the danger of sitting/working on/near the egress device. There is no way to egress a cargo plane which is sufficiently safe and effective to be less risky than not when you consider the hours flown and the probability of needing to egress. Fighter and bomber pilots have ejection seats because getting shot down is a reality, emergency landing those aircraft is dangerous, and they fly a comparative fraction of the hours compared to mobility aircraft.
>>64965253Shouldn't the "colonizer" at some point over the course reap some sort of benefit from it's colony? Like all this "america has vassal states" bullshit comes apart the second you look at the balance sheet for any period of time.How is it that the US, which as you imply exerts colonial like control over Israel never ends up benefitting from this relationship?Where are all the treasures the US gets from Israel? Where is the tribute that Israel pays for its protection? Where is any tangible benefit the average american can take and say "Israel did that for me"?Where are the heroic battles where american and israeli infantry stood side by side in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan?
My brother (I know, I know) is an AF reservist Captain who knows the ops commander of the unit of the plane that crashed in Iraq. Per him, the plane that hit it and landed in Israel wasn't even aware they'd struck another craft until they landed and saw the damage to their tail.
>>64964013>>64964005Bothering my brother over dinner for more details: apparently they had their transponders off and slammed into each other due to poor communication as they were both scheduled to be in the airspace's refueling lane, but weren't meant to be there at the same time.
>>64967679This makes more sense to me than the refueling scenario. Sorry I couldn't find a pic of two KC-135s refueling one another but my point is that based on the tailplane damage it seems super unlikely that this happened during refueling given how two planes of this size are positioned relative to each other.
>>64967814It would have to be a bad breakaway at the end. I agree, anon is saying things that sound plausible, at least. Suppose we'll find out eventually.
>>64967814The damage to the vertical stabilizer sure the fuck was not from a missile, as some have claimed. Last time I saw damage like that it was inflicted by a de-icer.
The damage to the tail makes it seem like a refueling accident, not a missile
>>64967879How? Look at how the planes would be positioned next to each other >>64967814 Like the one being refuelled has direct line of sight with the refueler and his own tailplane is like 200ft further aft.And in order to actually crash you'd have to catastrophically damage your own control surfaces or wings. And given that one landed with half his vertical stabilizer and rudder gone a non-fueling related midair seems more plausible.
>>64967679That sounds reasonable. At night with lights off you wouldn't see a thing.
>>64963669They've always tried with the endless spam and shill posts. The thing is, it's not even worth it, place is a toilet, they're focusing their energy on.Recent years it's most wumao chinkcels, and jeets spamming up the place.
That sucks. Probe and drogue fails safe(er).
