Ukraine has been advancing again with a new tactic, massing 400+ FPV pilots on a small section of the front and advancing behind the slaughter.This isn't some fancy AI swarm trickery, just a shitload of optic fibre FPVs shreading anything that doesn't retreat fast enough.www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSFm2DTUIxA
>>64965754>dont care russia is still winning
>>64965754Donkey status?
>>64965646isn't that just creeping barrage?
>>64965784Warfare always returns to saturating your enemy with projectiles
>>64965784>Creeping Dronage
>>64965754>dont care russia is still winningRussia has done some militarily impressive things recently.For example, they destroyedt a USV with an FPV which I think the Ukies have never done.
>>64965784>isn't that just creeping barrage?What's the cost of a 155mm HE?If the FPV drops to the price of an artillery shell then it's something like a walking barrage but with homing shells that can penetrate bunkers.It's basically picrel with a smaller warhead.
>>64965803>Slaves, Russians born to serve>to the Monke>Heed to his every ook>drone they fear
>>64965828FPV drones will never properly replace artillery, the bang behind an artillery shell is just way too much for anything but a very large drone to be able to carry it.Considering Russia can't field anything but donkeys, poorly armored infantry and the crumbs of tanks and artillery there's very much costs saved in going for FPV drones though, they do the job and their range is excellent.
>>64965828The worst part (for the Russians) is with that many drones in the air if any pilot calls out a priority target it's going to be well serviced.Before a vehcile could survive a hit or two and keep running long enough to get the crew to safety, now with this many drones up anything that keeps moving will be hit as many times as it takes to stop it.>>64965853Dumb shells will hang around for decades yet but it is only a matter of time until hardware reaches the point you can put a camera and target recognition software in every shell without going bankrupt
>>64965853>the bang behind an artillery shell is just way too muchThey're targetting infantry and posts in houses though, they have enough bang for that as we've seen many times.In that sense, this is equivalent to a walking barrage because hitting the target with an FPV charge is as effective as an un-aimed 155mm landing close enough to include the target in the blast radius.
>>64965816Which USV do Russia deploy?
Reminder that this situation with static fronts and FPV dominance only exists because conventional artillery will destroy any attempts at force concentration.The transparency of the modern battlefield means any concentration of mass leads to imminent punishment through good old artillery (and rockets).
>>64965875>Which USV do Russia deploy?That would be this one apparently.
>>64965816it's impossible for the ukies to do that because russia has no reason to use USVs because ukraine's naval assets consist entirely of drones
>>64965881>conventional artilleryGMLRS really but close enough.
>>64965919>it's impossible for the ukies to do that because russia has no reason to use USVsYou missed the nuance.
>>64965923That's conventional.
>>64965646>>64965754Russia banned Telegram at the same time that their Starlinks were shut down. Troops are confused and can't coordinate.
>>64965754These posts are always a great source of cope memes. Perhaps an even better source of melanin
>>64965939The telegram ban was reversed within days because the brass realized there weren't enough radios to replace it.
>>64965944>I didn't show up to the draft and now they're coming to get me, how could this happen?!The van would happen in every country if you didn't show up to fulfill your civil duty.
>>64966016Don't bother explaining conscription of ziggers, they will find out how it works soon enough.
>>64965944Eventually, the budget will cut off your shilling job. I know 10 cents per post seems like a lot in your brownoid shit hole
Should be really easy to blowout these redditors out by posting Russian gains. Surely Rybar's map is looking good lately
>>64966047You mean the gains that were taken back by the Ukrainians in the recent counter attack? Imao, 1 year of zigger progress and thousands of lives lost gone in an instant
>>64966039>OP starts thread about tactics>First post is someone seething about itYeah, figures.
>>64965864Autonomous artillery systems are already a thing. Once spotters get good enough and fully networked, that's exactly the sort of thing computers are great at. Calculate the exact angle and blast targets. You can even use drone networks (including lighter than air further back for duration) to keep a network up.Of course smart shells will still be needed for moving targets, etc. that's where AI optimized fire mission queues come in to select the right munition for each job.Of course, interception umbrellas will get good at the same pace, so you'll need this connectivity to fire the right sort of barrage to overwhelm the AD and actually get through.I anticipate that in 30 years battles will collapse into routes as soon as one size losses its interception umbrella because it will be suicidal to operate without one due to the density of spotters and rapidity and accuracy of fire missions.
>>64966075Oh please there’s shills from all over this board
>>64966072>I anticipate that in 30 years battles will collapse into routes as soon as one size losses its interception umbrella because it will be suicidal to operate without oneAgreed, unless lasers come a long way fast both sides will always have eyes on eachother.>>64966075Then why did 2013 /k/ love the klankening?
>>64966072Coil gun/rail gun artillery, which already exists but needs some work, will also improve all of this because velocity can be calibrated on the fly to put munitions right on target. It also won't fry people's hearing and brains as much.This will also make it a lot easier to use all the range on autocannons. Drones spot infantry miles out? Just arc the beaten zone right on top of them.
>>64966083Spotters can do their work from so far away, from so many different attitudes, in small packages, that I don't see how they can be wholly stopped. Certainly, they can be cut down on though.You'll probably eventually see spotter spotters, various forms of stealth, spotters fired in with artillery and MLRS, air to air drones, counter air to air drones—a whole mini air war operating over any major engagement, and even small air wars over platoon scale engagements
>>64966108>small air wars over platoon scale engagementsFor sure, we'll see drone teams at the squad level within the next decade.
>>64965646god damn is modern war fucking garbage>thirdie warmoar drones and artillery>first world warmoar planes and missilesefficient but also gay and retarded
>>64965754Ukraine started retaking land.
>>64965853>the bang behind an artillery shell is just way too much for anything but a very large drone to be able to carry itThat's not even true, most artillery shells are less than 20% explosive by weight, while you can basically eliminate the entire shell body with a drone since aerodynamics and firing pressure isn't a factor. Yes the shell body serves to create shrapnel, but with the much greater accuracy of drones the need for that wide area effect is largely negated.
>>64966123Feel free to rush the drone team with a club.
>>64966154>but with the much greater accuracy of drones the need for that wide area effect is largely negated.This only applies to singular targets.Artillery is vastly more effective against area targets, where there's plenty of things to be destroyed or killed.
>>64965784yes. It was said that Ukrainians essentially took the creeping barrage tactic and applied to to drones >Meanwhile cellphone coverage over Moscow is dead
>>64965646>This isn't some fancy AI swarm trickerywhy does this phrasing trigger me so much.
>>64966083So Kino
>>64965881Well it's also because, despite the criticism, air defence is way too powerful and effective for 4th gen aircraft to having meaningful offensive impact. If you don't have 5th gen, you relegated to a slow grind.
>>64965853The best part of artillery is that its mostly unstoppable and has always been relatively accurate with high rates of fire. Plus you get the fun of cluster, extended range and airburst munitions which will shit up people's day.Drones are really getting quite close though, there's stuff like the Firepoint 1 and 2 series of drones which are carrying a massive charge onboard and capable of fucking up a lot of stuff from very far away. The next generation of those types of drones using military satellite guidance could potentially be a huge deal as they're much harder to jamBiggest pain for artillery has always been its comparatively expensive, fairly heavy and requires a fair bit of precision engineering, that does mean it lasts quite a long time and it can live in a warehouse, get busted out decades later, polished up and put into service fairly quick if you need it.
>>64965646This is literally how soviets and Epsilon punch through enemy heavy strongholds, you send a wave of suicide units to do as much damage as possible and then mop it up with conventional units>MONSTER KILL!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hve7hDhbM0sAlso fun fact nowadays Ukraine is the best soviet faction while russians are GLA tier.
>>64968377>Leopard 2 = Rhino tank>Bradley = Tigr APC>HIMARs = Scud launcher>Dombass defense line= bunker + tesla coil + flak cannon cheese>Ukrops = assorted veteran infantry>Drones = terror drones / fury drones / demolition truck / bomb buggy >Ukraine you are the real soviet power supreme!
