*is the best pocket carry gun and caliber in existence in your path*
>>64967701Any 44 snub nose revolver.
>>64967726>t. 12 year old with a punisher t shirt
>>64967701Funny. That does not look like a Ruger LCP.>>64967726Sounds good at first, but they print like crazy.
>>64967726How big are your pockets bro?
>>64967730>A 12 year old today would have been born in 2014weird.
>>64967763Hoodie.
>>64967701Don't forget pic rel
>>64967811Ill give you that. I carry a 629 4" in an owb holster and a hoodie hides it.
>>64967828The pocket clip is a bad idea since it promotes carrying it without the trigger protected. Better to get the plastic recoil spring guide rod and magazine release swapped with metal replacements, and there are options for upgrading the recoil spring from 9 pounds to 11 or 13.
>>64967917its a heavy trigger pull and you are supposed to put it in it's own pocket. if you shoot yourself with it, you honestly deserve itt. p32 carry for 12 yrs
>>64967701i love my little P32
>>64967701Yeah, nah.
>tfw everyone always roasts me and calls me a fag for owning a Ruger LCP
>>64967734>Funny. That does not look like a Ruger LCR.fixed
>>64968578That's a ladies gun. OPs gun is an assassin's gun
>>64967701I wish mel gibson used one or two duel wield in lethal weapon
>OP Kel-Tec P32How frequently do they jam?Semi-rimmed pistol cartridges, particularly how they stack in a magazine, do not inspire confidence. For self defenseneat little pistols though
>>64968576>ViridianHow big is the FOV on that
>>64968828In my experience, they don't.
>>64968835I''ve heard you have to be careful loading, and inserting (more so than other older/larger sized .32 ACPs) the magazines.
>>64968855I use my Kel-Tecs like I do all other guns, indelicately.
>>64967701>.32 JHPNigger it already barely has enough penetration as it is.
>>64968576still weighs over half of a P32 emptyat that point, just carry three P32's instead
>>64968867Seems this one in particular has been getting more consideration lately.
>>64971940Only by retards. I'm a huge fag for 32 but there is no reason to carry anything but FMJ. 32 is underpowered, and every faggot who wants to spout off about how it was good enough for WWII should remember that they were all shooting 70-73gr FMJ pushing over 1000fps from a 3" barrel, they sure as shit were not using hollowpoints. The only 32 HPs that reliably expand don't penetrate enough. The vast majority just don't expand reliably. The steel-core S&B surplus floating around is far more capable for self defense, it'll feed reliably in any 32, it's cheaper than HPs, hotter than anything without a Buffalo on the box, guaranteed to finish off a Tomcrack, it's "real" 7.65 Browning.
>>64968867How deep do you think your organs are?
>>64971940Let's read reviews>The ones that expanded looked pretty cool.Well that was enough of that.
>>64971964This tbdesu. You want 73 gr FMJ pushing 1000+ fps out of at least an 80 mm barrel for any decent performance.
>>64971964>The steel-core S&B surplus floating aroundNot steel core, it's a bimetal jacket (copper plated steel) with a lead core, S&B was still using that design until relatively recentlly for .223I miss that ammo, should've stocked up while the police surplus lasted, it disappears deceptively quick when shot out of klobb 20-rounders.t. Chehue
>>64971964S&B won't feed in my P32. Even sent it to Keltec to fix it but it still jams every other shot. All the other brands have no issue at all in it. I don't trust S&B for their .32
>>64967811>wow anon aren't you hot?>why do you always have your hands in your pocket?
*is the best underwear carry gun and caliber in existence in your path*
>>64972553It is steel core, I was one of the first people to make a post about this on the internet when these shipments started arriving. I dissected a bullet and the penetrator is 100% a mid steel core. I dont know how else to explain it. Buy these bullets and take one apart, you will find a steel core that looks exactly like the one they used in 1950's Czech 9mm. Its not "bi metal, blah blah blah" Ive literally cut through the steel core, its 100% steel and I gave one to my friend and he used an ICP mass spec to determine that it was steel and not iron. though either material would make these banned for import. It is NOT a lead core. That much I am very certain of. There is practically no lead in the bullet. I know its hard to believe but someone really did bamboozle the ATF with these.
>>64967701>best pocket carry gun and caliber in existenceIf it's so great, why did they redo it?
>>64972589Thanks for the correction, I looked into it and it would appear they actually switched to steel core as a cost saving measure (similar to the sintered steel 9x18 for the vz.85) and produced both steel and lead core at the same time, both were commonplace well into the 90s, I wasn't actually aware of that.Apparently the packaging was indistinguishable, and the only way to tell them apart was the wholesale packaging that would be marked "Fe" or "Pb".>I know its hard to believe but someone really did bamboozle the ATF with these.It's likely that the sampe ATF received was lead core and they approved it. As stated above, the packaging is identical so they're impossible to tell apart.Also let's be honest here, it's not penetrating shit either way.
>>64972635>vz.8582, fuck me I haven't slept.
>>64968576Why does that sight have to be so tall? My biggest issue with the red dots for the BG 2.0 is that they're just protruding snag incidents.
>>64972635I actually have that crate plus more lol my crate is steel core and so is the additional 500 rounds I purchased before that. My stuff averages about 1050 FPS from a VZ-61 Skorpion so im happy with it , 100% reliable , non corrosive and of course the rare steel core. I know its .32 ACP and limited in what it can do, but it does make it a little more barrier blind than typical lead core stuff, im working on a little test on some thin metal to see what it will do vs lead core. its certainly going to be a least a little more capable. but its no "cop killer" AP round lol that said, i sure as shit would not want to be in front of someone firing one of these guns in full auto with this stuff. deadly for sure.
>>64972591to sell novelty to funko pop collectorswe already had grendel; now we have updated grendel that has been promoted by youtubers
>>64972647my vz61 likes it, i run it through huxwork cash9 suppressor; it dampens the sound a great deal but those rounds are hot. remington and modern S&B plus fiocchii all ran quieter
>>64972647I'm fucking jelly, currently stuck spending 36 cpr for new production S&B and the surplus is export only for some goddamn reason despite having CIP certification from the factory (and even then it's barely cheaper at 34 cpr).When I think I used to consider the price so-so at ~15 cpr...
>>64972730Thats really weird, my final cost for a 4050 round crate here in the USA was 24.7 cents per round. There was no tax and shipping was free. Just from a cost stand point it was cheapest 7.65 Browning around and it was actually loaded hot like it should be. The steel cores are just a rare bonus. Thats why I loaded up and bought a crate and then some, when ammo like this is cheap, you dont hesitate.
>>64968578Stoke it full of JHP's and let them shoot it.Besides, it's not a fucking .32ACP.
>>64968828Never had it jam yet>>64968855You don't
Good pick but THIS is the pocket carry to surpass metal gear. 10 rounds of .380 in a gun that’s <1 lb. I picked this up for my wife a few months ago but I wind up carrying it more than she does.
>>64972817Also have it loaded with 10+1 of 90gr speer gold dots. I’m not sure if there’s better .380 out there but that’s what I carry in 9mm so I figured I might as well.
>>64972591To sell to white women and make it California legal probably idk. Do not question the motives of KelTec
>>64972784k thanks for the anecdote anon. I've heard otherwise>yetHow long have you owned, how many rounds through
>>64972591A rotating barrel stripper clip fed .380 ACP is not a redo for a Browning tilt barrel magazine fed .32 ACP.
>>64968867Just ask yourself this. Would you want to get shot at all with a 32? Probably not and that's because it's a bullet shot from a fucking gun. No matter how hard it hits It's going to suck for whoever you're shooting. From 22 to 45 It'll suck and you'll die. And I'm talking strictly In self-defense which is usually in close quarters. Point Is, get what you like.
>>64973301>rotating barrel stripper clip fed .380 ACPNot sure if serious. but it's Kel-Tec, so . . . could be serious
>>64967917Nothing stops you from using a pocket holster with the pocket clip. Also, the trigger pull is a long heavy DA. It's not going off by accident.>t pocket carries with the Ruger LCP cloth holsterYes it works great for the P32 also
>>64968828I've only had mine a year, but zero malfunctions. Granted I've only shot 165 rounds through it, but it's a pocket pistol not a high volume shooter.You won't have rimlock issues if you use FMJs and you should with a round this small. The 71gr or 73gr PPU hollow points avoid rimlock also because of the length, but the hollow point isn't really doing anything either. I've bought some of that because it was the cheapest and the HP isn't expanding at these velocities.
>>64967726Son of Sam, aren't you still in prison?
>>64972553It's steel core, you can cut one open if you'd like.
>>64972591Because the original came at a dire time for Kel-Tec and they weren't able to patent it. That's why the early ones are cloned to death by everyone and their mother. Now George has new design he can actually patent and actually make some money off of (lol) before Ruger and the rest come with the photocopiers.
>>64967701we scraping the evidence locker with this one boys
>>64972857I've had a P32 since 2001, over 10,000rds. I've replaced the hammer spring catch once, the ejector twice, and the recoil spring and guide four times. My only issues have come from playing with hollowpoints, with FMJ it's infallible. The 2nd Gen is supposed to be even better.
>>64972579>not even the best NAAThe PUG is closer to a P32 in weight than the Mini 1-5/8” is to a PUG. Also, you get equal velocities from a .22LR and a slightly longer barrel than you get from a .22 mag and the shorter barrel. PUGs are better to short. They’re worse at what they were made for, extremely deep concealment.
>>64973301So the PR-3 is really better in every way.
>>64972589That’s cool. I wish we could still get that.
>>64972817Bodyguard 2.0 is better if you’re going to double stack .380s
>>64967701Glock 19 mogs
>>64968578the lgs guys basically said that to be in a polite way when I bought mine. ignored them tho because who cares it fits my need>>64973400isnt the LCP technically a weird half-cock thats not exactly DA or SA? or is that just the max?
>>64974197It's DAO with a reverse half-cock notch. When the hammer has fallen, it no longer engages the trigger. Only when reset to the half-cock position by cycling the slide does the trigger engage it. It's still just DAO. The "half-cock" position doesn't put any significant load on the hammer spring. It's not like a Glock where there's some ambiguity about how much it's cocked.
>>64974197I should've added, all the newer Ruger Kel-Tecs are SAO. In the Max and LCPII it's pretty bad in my opinion, don't care for it, but that's just me. It's worst in the Sec 9.>They want a light trigger? How about a trigger you can't feel at all! No walls, no reset, no nothing, just a spring-loaded piece of plastic with no indication that it's attached to anything!Only semiauto I've ever accidentally bump-fired.
>>64972857>thanks for the anecdote, I substitute my own anecdoteCool thought process, retard.
>>64974197> isnt the LCP technically a weird half-cock thats not exactly DA or SA? or is that just the max?I think that’s right for the gen 1 but trigger pull wise it’s basically DA. The gen II is a SA with a trigger safety
>>64972857>ask for input based on experiences>get upset when you get requested input>reeee no that’s not what I want to hearYou’ll go far in life. I can tell. Also, P32s are pretty universally liked. That’s the one Kel Tec that didn’t have teething problems or questionable reliability.
.30supercarry mogs it, .380 and .32acp are obsolete dude.
>>64974482>everybody likes themLots of tall tales itt>reee= (You)>go far in lifeKeep coping brainlet.
>>64974488LOL enjoy your dead meme caliber that's no longer in production.
>>64974495Again>ask for input based on experiences>get upset when you get requested input>Keep coping brainlet.Thanks for proving my point. Again>Lots of tall tales ittLike what? Better yet, explain why you ask for experienced them dismiss those same experiences?
>>64974488Nice digits but terrible post. Besides the irrelevancy pointlessness, and lack of gun options in .30SC it’s not meant to compare to .32 or .380. It was made as a direct competitor to 9mm. Enjoy trying to put a 52k psi round in a 10oz pocket pistol. This wasn’t even good bait, so I’m going to keep assuming anyone that bought .30SC is retarded.
>>64968587>slower, smaller bullet with less energy out of literally the same frame shapewe got a real live operator over here
>>64974052The PUG is much cooler though and that's what really matters.
>>64975490Nothing on this board is real, at all whatsoever. (Life is real, not the internet.) Sorry (You)'re a sucker
>>64971964100% this. I bought the NAA over the seecamp so that I could feed fmj. That short of barrel only gives 13" or so in gel with fmj. Jhp would be atrocious.
>>64975669Fair but these are even cooler than the PUGs
>>64975800Either they expand and stop at 8-9", or they just don't expand at all and barely brush 12". No JHP expands reliably from the sub-3" barrel of a P32. Even the overpowered shit that hits 73gr FMJ levels of energy with 60gr JHPs doesn't expand. 70-73gr FMJs consistently push 12"-16" of gel from a P32.
>>64968583If you can jam a lcr in a pocket you are a big fat cargo pants wearing retard
>>64967701wrong. pic related is superior (I don't have any pics of it on its own)
>>64967701i prefer 380, but it's fine. I'd actually prefer .22lr if it was a modern, reliable cartridge
>>64968576I'd get a Gideon Pebble if you want one of these for the bodyguard 2.0. The Viridian looks pretty but its design is shit. The Viridian's battery is on the bottom, you need to remove the entire sight to change the battery, no backup iron sights in case of battery failure, and you can't adjust the dot brightness.GIdeon's Pebble might not have the pretty side serrations but it's much more functional. Battery removal via the side so no dismounting, you can adjust the dot brightness if you want, and it has built in irons in case of battery failure
Seems like a good thread to ask, what are thoughts on the Federal 68gr hydra shok deep? It should be long enough to avoid rim lock like 60gr HPs can have. Testing shows good penetration and minor expansion. I mostly think it’s not worth it on the minor chance you don’t get enough penetration. But part of me thinks that you already have little to work with so any increase in expansion, however minor, is a relatively large benefit.
>>64979397https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEHgVfFnEpUThis at least shows the performance out of a P32 specifically and it seems to hold up under testing.
>>64979397>>64979538What a great demonstration of why 32 JHPs are fucking garbage. 9 total shots into gel, 1 round that expands properly, some are barely within the acceptable range for penetration while others are well below it.>842fps, 107ftlbIs Federal afraid of breaking Tomcracks or something? Consider real 32ACP like >>64971964From the same Kel-Tec P32 it'll push 980fps, 156ftlbs. It's steel core and won't be filtered by a glass window or heavy jacket. It won't ever expand because it's not supposed to. It will always penetrate sufficiently. 32ACP is perfectly fine for self defense, at 70gr+ and 1000fps.
>>64974197I got picked on for buying a BerettaTomcat 32 with out the cracking problem. The old timer there called it a lady or belly gun. I wanted CCW for my permit and a fast and light moving gun that fits in various pockets I said.Then the old feller replied, yeah or if you have wrist problems. I can snap bolts off with wrenches or walk a motorcycle engine by carrying across the yard instead of using a wheelbarrow. I wanted speed of reflex.The S&B ammo runs a bit hotter and faster for sure without using a chronograph. The extreme defense rounds by Lehigh are basically a solid copper screw driver tip that does penetrate more in case you need to shoot a 300-400 bubba or a porch raider. 55gr and good reviews of others.
>>64980397> 90ftlbs from a P32No thanks, I'll stick to real bullets.
>>64980105Honestly .32 acp could be beefed up, it (like .32 h&r) is held back by grandpa guns that would explode with a slight increase in loading. Not like .30 super carry levels but even up to 30k psi from its pitiful 20,500 would do wonders
>>64967726>t. Mr. Shorty
>>64976468I'd certainly have a Tomcat this very moment, if they didn't easily break when you use any kind of ammo other than the specific type they recommend in the manual. A rare Beretta blunder.
For semiautos to CC this entire topic of micro'pocket'carry (all calibers .22LR, .25, .32) was wiped off of the map with Smith & Wesson's introduction of the Bodyguard 2.0 two years ago: a tiny gun you can actually shoot.RE: .32 caliber it remains valid with .32 H&R revolvers as a carry option, but the rest of this thread and user comments (yes some of the anons have carved their own niche with .32 ACP ammo and the small pistols they've chosen to carry k fine) is 'why don't you like what I like'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3e-y7Tu0E(the P32 is now permanently relegated to deep backup ankle micropistol)
>>64982691>t someone who has not shot a P32I’d wager you don’t even own the bodyguard 2.0 either. Yes it’s a more effective pocket pistol. Yes it’s still small and light. It’s also significantly heavier. It’s about 5oz heavier empty and 6oz loaded. You can’t carry a 15oz pistol in any attire. You can with a 9oz pistol. You functionally don’t understand that these are for two separate purposes.
>>64976468>jams
>>64967701Thats not a J frame or a P365
>>64983219Don’t care. Still looks cool. For real though, I got the bobcat because tip ups are sweet and suppressed tiny guns are also cool. I got the tomcat to pair it and because both were on sale. I didn’t get either to carry. Actually I gifted the tomcat to an ex because she liked it.
>>64976468>>64983389MAGNUM has more cool factor even if it's .22wmr
>>64985031I've blasted .22wmr every chance I've ever got for decades. And woe be the target, mutherfucker. .22mag is, was, and always will be absolute mayhem.
>>64985031>he’s a size queenThat’s pretty gay anon
So trve
>>64968576>chink dotcringe
>>64986681There are no bg2.0 dots that are made outside of china genius
>semi rimmedinto the trash it goes
>>64987460Filtered
>>64983091(You) are a nogunz nocarry like this entire board /k/.
>>64988480Seems like a struck a nerve. Your turn
I just think they’re neat
>>64967701Also a very rare example of a locked breech 32
>>64967917I had a P3AT (worst gun I have ever owned btw) with the clip, and I don't really get it. When you put it in your pocket, it's visible.
>>64989379>When you put it in your pocket, it's visible.Is it? How do you know that’s a gun and not a knife? That said I don’t use the pocket clip like this. It’s for hooking onto a waistband, mostly with gym shorts. You can carry IWB with jeans and it’s super comfy, but I usually just pocket carry. Side note, the P3AT and P32 are polar opposites in experiences which is weird. P32s are universally loved. P3ATs have the typical kel-tec issues (which were worse in the past).
>>64990505Still trying to figure out how they managed to make the P32 work for the slide staying open after the last round but not the P3AT.
>>64991257Not enough or too much cocaine
>>64967701these three do it all for me
>>64985128Just picked up a Single Six a while back.It's got such a solid build that I can hardly tell the difference between shooting LR or WMR unless I'm holding it one handed.
>>64972591That's not even a redo you autist
>>64974097Wait those are double stacked?
>>64993000Yes, 10+1 with the flush mag for both the LCP Max and BG 2.0
>>64993001Nice so is the lcp 2 thicker than the 1st version then? Same with the bg 2.0? I have the original bg and like it a lot but hate the trigger and capacity or lack thereof
>>64993087The LCP 2 is thicker but nobody's mentioned it and it's long since discontinued. There's the LCP, LCP2, LCP2 Lite Rack, LCP Max. LCP is a Kel-Tec P3AT clone, LCP2 is the same with a (terrible) single action trigger and a teeeny bit larger in all dimensions, LCP2 Lite Rack is the 22LR version of the same, LCP Max is the Double-Stack version of the LCP2, even thicker of course, and has since replaced the LCP2 entirely. Currently Ruger pretends the LCP2 never existed, they sell the original LCP, the LCP2 Lite Rack, and the Max.
>>64992900Careful, Anon. You'll get addicted to that weapon. It's an absolute masterpiece.
>>64993087Bodyguard 2.0 is more like a miniature Shield and doesn't have much in common with the 1.0 at all.
>>64993102Ruger buried the lcp2 because it was the best one and the bean counters didn’t like the margins on it
>>64993835>best oneI've owned all of them and kept none (actually I still have an LCP Max slide in a drawer somewhere), but none I hate more than the LCP2. I believe there were revisions, may be that I had the "old" one or something because the LCP Max should have the same trigger but I felt it was much better. Still shit though, really do not like the Ruger "safe action trigger" or whatever they call it. LCP2, LCP Max, Sec9, Max9, LC9s/EC9s, I really fucking hate that trigger. Luv me P32 and BG2.0
>>64993843Not my fault you’re retarded. Hopefully it comes with free gubbaman gibs
>>64993850Now there's a Ruger I don't hate. I had an SR9, two-tone like that one, actually sold it intending to get the SR9C and never did.
>>64993853Didn’t they discontinue those? I hear the security series isn’t as good
>>64993926Ruger buried the SR series to take a stab at a US military contract with the ruger american. It was a big stinky doo doo gun and they made the shitcurity series to appease the bean counters after they gambled and lost
>>64993946Just imagine fucking up so hard you can't even afford to produce a Glock clone, you have to switch your whole lineup to a big pile of Kel-Tec clones.
Are these shitters even in production still?
>>64995112The P32 is still in production, yes.
>>64993850Based SR9 enjoyer
>>64967701>>64983225>Thats not a J frame or a P365So much this.I've been carrying for +30 years and nothing, unless I need something REALLY light, is better than the P365. And when I need really light, the 642 PC Talo in 38spl (at less than 17oz loaded) does it.
>>64995103You’re going to lose your mind when you find out about the RXM
>>64996250>Recovery Run
>>64996254I’ve been eye fucking the RXM for a couple months. I copped a swagger dagger before the RXM came out and can’t really justify one since I never roll out with the dag. 9c goes on easier and I’m a better shot with it
>>64995690A P32 is nearly half the weight and carries 3 more rounds? Is that better? It depends. But don’t act like there isn’t a advantage
>>64996292NTA but a P32 is too small for all but the most feminine of hands to be able to grip properly and "potentially" put any of the shots on target.The beauty of a j-frame is in its control for its "diminutive" size.
>>64995690>642 PC TaloAlso, the 642 PC is a beautiful weapon.
>>64996773>never shot a P32
>>64996780I use to have this same gun and loved it but it had some weird QC issues that I couldn’t get over so I sold it and carry a p32 now. Otherwise, it really was a nice gun and I would own one again if I hand inspected it first.
>>64996773I’m 6’6 and my long ass fingers shoot the p32 just fine.
>>64996791>>64996794>>64996795SAMEFAG A M E F A GWhy do beta-weirdos post like this when it's so obvious?Also, I'm sure he (she) will post a completely legit screencap showing he (she) is not samefagging. So pathetic
>>64996811>Why do beta-weirdos post like thisIt's some 14yr old punk with his first phone is why.Welcome to 4chan
>>64996773You’ve never shot a P32. It has very, very little recoil so not getting a good grip is a non issue. Post your giant manly hands, big boy.
>>64997869>It has very, very little recoilPretty much. I almost bought one after shooting a friend's at the range, but then I saw the LCP . .380 for not much larger made a lot more sense to me.
>>64997927I have have an LCP II and I’ve even tried it with a hogue grip added to it. The P32 is so much more pleasant to shoot. Recoil is minimal vs the .380 being harder to control because it’s so little still. Not like it’s going to fly out of your hands, but it’s a very noticeable difference. I use FMJ for either of them so the extra round in a lighter, more controllable gun is a good trade off to me.
>>64967701Does it shoot reliably?Can you shoot it well?If yes and yes.Then it good
>>64998182I just put the extensions on the mags. The recoil is not a big deal for me.Not down on the P32 as a functioning piece, I just prefer to carry a .380 over a .32 if I have to have a mousegun in my pocket.
>>64999106Fair. The mag extensions help a lot with getting a good grip. I never used them because I want it as small as possible for pocket carry or for shorts.
>>65001283I'm not a small person, so it hides in a pocket well.Plus I'm usually dressed in a mechanic's uniform, it's expected I'd have stuff in my pockets.
