Minnesota is now trying to go full no funs allowed. Fellow MN Anons, what do?>SF 3655 Bans manufacture, import, transfer, ownership, or possession of "semiautomatic military-style assault weapons" (e.g., AR-15, AK-47 variants and similar rifles/pistols/shotguns with features like pistol grips, folding stocks, threaded barrels, or detachable magazines) and large-capacity magazines (>10 rounds or parts to make them). >Current owners can grandfather items by certifying/registering with state/local authorities by Feb 1, 2027 (fee required, renew every 3 years), with strict storage rules, limited use (e.g., no hunting, only on private property or ranges), no transfers (except surrender/destruction), and possible inspections. Violations are felonies (up to 5 years prison/$25,000 fine). Effective August 1, 2026. >Exceptions for law enforcement/military.What should I panic buy?
>>64968598Sounds like bs since you can't ban rifles by name so the whole post is dogshit. Brandon won btw
>>64968647k
>>64968598>>Current owners can grandfather items by certifying/registering with state/local authorities by Feb 1, 2027 (fee required, renew every 3 years)This is probably where it will get overturned. Very sad that politicians can't be personally penalized/sued for passing unconstitutional laws.
>>64968667I hope you are correct. This bill is so blatantly unconstitutional that it should implode in on itself. Even the Virginia bill seems to be more resonable by comparison.
>>64968598>certifying/registering with state/local authorities by Feb 1, 2027 (fee required, renew every 3 years), with strict storage rules, limited use (e.g., no huntingdemosharts hate you and want you to die. They want you to suffer. They fucking hate you.
>1 month ago"Show up armed and resist tyranny the feds are violating the rights of people!">Today"Sorry chuddies no more guns we're the only ones allowed to have guns."
>>64968598if it passes in it's current form I'm leaving, if it passes in a striped back form, i.e., assault weapons ban but everything gets grandfathered in, no inspections and you can still hunt, I'm leaving but not as urgently. I don't think it will pass though, it fucks with hunting and hunting guns too much to be a viable bill. it would ban picrel for Christ's sake.
>Democrats vote for gun control No surprise here. I can't wait for the shills to say this is actually Republicans fault.
>>64968598MN is speedrunning the destruction of DNC.
>>64969231they really are. the state get more red every year.
>>64968598MN really engaged in some fuckery.>in open testimony rather than divide up time 50/50, >they locked out pro-gun groups>flooded teh zone with gun grabbers>it was something like 32-6 in terms of time allotted.MN is like CA and WA and OR: the left has a super-majority and can do what it wants
>>64969249>the left has a super-majoritythey act like it, but they don't. if you look at the picture above your post you will see that they won with less than 51% of the vote and by 100,000 votes. if you look at California, Trump lost by a few million votes.
>>64969239popular vote dropped thoughthe Somalis are widening the gap
>>64969266true, but I have a feeling that the somalis will get so bad that the democrat voters won't be able to ignore them. it's already started to happen a little bit.
>>64968598Write your representative. If you are represented by someone who doesn’t support the 2a, appeal to the fact that these laws are blatantly unconstitutional and will be struck down in 3-5 years at great expense to the Minnesota Attorney General’s office.
>>64969194It may amaze you to hear this, but those two things were not said by the same people. The possible exception being Timmy W.>>64968598This is a response to that tranny shooting up a Catholic school prayer mass. Suggest holding judges and prosecutors liable for not properly reporting disqualifying mental health incidents to the NICS check databases/giving plea deals to violent offenders that allow them to retain their rights.
>>64969327>tranny shooting up a Catholic school prayer massBased troonie
>>64969315>will be struck down in 3-5 years at great expense to the Minnesota Attorney General’s office.there's some basic turdie economics that you Americans don't know, which is why Omar and her Somalis are running rings around you: turdies LOVE long due processthe best analogy I can give to you is: think of lawyer fee memes, and apply to EVERY - ASPECT - OF - GOVERNMENT. at every stage of any process, turdies will impose administrative fees, licensing fees, regulatory fees, expert consultations, reviews, preliminary hearings, as many as possible. all this will indeed be at great expense to the taxpayers, and it pays the salaries of the people in charge of running the circus. the objective therefore is not to win the case. nobody cares. the objective is to charge as many fees as possible so more government staffers, quangos, third-party consultants, all get paid; again, at taxpayers' expense.that's why turdie governments never manage to get anything done. it's not just incompetence; it's a particularly parasitical form of quiet-not-actually-quitting.and in this case, it's a heads I take your guns, tails I take your money scenario.the only cure is to change the government and fire all the staff.
>>64969274By the time it gets that bad there will be too many of them to get rid of
>>64969327>It may amaze you to hear this, but those two things were not said by the same people. The possible exception being Timmy WIt does not matter its the same party with the same voter turnout and support. As long as people blindly vote for democrats they are voting for both policies.
>>64969327>It may amaze you to hear this, but those two things were not said by the same peoplethey often times are as demosharts consistently defend people who aren't citizens while also arguing there should be a mandatory buyback
>>64968667>>64968678>government corruption running over the common manGlad I don’t live in POCCA… wait a minute this is America
>>64969623the difference is that we can actually call out corruption here. and own guns.
>>64969623In the US they just try to go after regular working joes with scare tactics, if the US government treated Americans like the Russian government treats Russians you'd see a lot more dead mayors, police and judges that somehow got shot in their own homes.
>>64968598why is everyone in a pissing contest for no fun with californiai hate it here but it's worse watching it spread everywhere else
>>64968647>you can't ban rifles by namelollmao
>>64970439>they want to be able to say they are the toughest on guns.for real. MN democrats are REALLY proud if this pic.
>>64968598Could Republicans dump Trump and get some non-retard Republicans in office so we don't lose all our rights to the inevitable Dem flip flop? Please? PLEASE? OH GOD PLEASE
>>64970482Genuinely if you fancy yourself a person who loves the idea of America, you should be unable to stomach the trump administrations eternal march towards large government authoritarianismAnd if you just like to go haha woo when he does stuff like Venezuela, Iran or when he targets brown people you need to accept that you do not actually care particularly for democracy or any important American facets of government so long as you feel like the consolidated power is one that favors you
>>64970498>ESL ramblingyou are not American and your opinion is worthless
>>64970498>>64970474Hey are you are that inferior subhuman English rapfugee that has been spamming /k/constantly for the past week. Please stop.
>>64968598>democrate for VP>elite say lets strike now!Typical.
>>64970498>trump administrations eternal march towards large government authoritarianism>dismantling the EPA>eliminating diversity >stopping illegals Wdhmbt?
>>64970474a Republican president can't stop retarded Dems on the state level
>>64969363>quangos This britanon knows and I wish more Americans were aware of the spiderweb of NGO’s and interest groups that pull money from the tax base to impose regulatory burdens via bill writing and partnering with agencies. It’s truly insane how much of the demographic change in America over the last 50 years was imposed by non-state entities with zero accountability to the voter.
>>64970627>think he isn't committing enough recourses to the war in yuropI think it's more about the middle east right now, they've been pretty mad about that.
>>64970651yeah, but right now I think it's because their brown cousins in iran are getting vaporized. the cope has been off the charts.
>>64970513>>64970544>>64970551In the most insane twist of the century I think Indian shill farm spammers have yoinked the "ESL" response, which tracks. Or you inbred hicks can't fucking read lol plug it into chatgpt slackjaws maybe it'll explain it for ya>>64970575You are particularly retarded
>>64970666nice cope, satan
>>64970666I've considered making a serious comment, but instead I'll call you a nogunz europoor and make fun of you
>>64970785maybe southern england
>>64970792>>64970794It's an old South term/colonial larp. I hear it every day from old rednecks. You smell shit in the street every day :)
>angry brown janny deletes wrong postHe didn't fancy computer learnin it seems
>>64970829no, it was the right one.
>>64968598I thought all those leftists who pretended they were and always had been staunch 2A advocates were going to defend gun rights?
>>64970833It's a bad faith arguement for them trying to take your gun rights away and to arm communist militias. Happens litterally every time, and is a favorite of spic commies
>>64969650But you won't fucking so anything about it
>>64970833they're complaining about it but when the time comes they'll still vote democrat
>>64970836neither will you, so fuck off
>>64969327>It may amaze you to hear this, but those two things were not said by the same people.So all the people who were unavoidable in saying the first thing are going to be just as loud about this right? Because those people sincerely believe in personal gun rights, and they weren't just putting on a show for the issue of the week right? All the same spaces online that were talking nonstop after that Sigger go sacked are going to make sure to campaign and advocate against this, right?RIGHT?
>>64970016Because dems are anticipating a sweep in their favir in the upcoming midterms. They want to pass as much antigun legislation before the pendulum swings back in a few years. Also they want to dissarm possible disaffected whites before reopening the borders in order to avoid kinetic racial conflict.
>>64970846Lol, I live in America. I'm allowed to criticize my countrymen for being soft bitches.
>>64970880Where else would I be able to own one of these then?
>>64970898They can do it at the state level like they're trying in Michigan and PA because they know the Trump administration is too incompetent and/or pussy to do anything about states passing and enforcing unconstitutional gun laws
>>64970925this nigga made the grave error of posting his shit guns unpromptedwhy can't you make the colors on your gun match BOAH
>>64970925>no timestamp>2026/03/03not yours
>>64970935Lol
>>64970935This upper is worth more than everything in your collection
>>64970948Federal law supersedes state and local laws. This is something most people learn in middleschool, but you were in the special classes
>>64971075it's worth that much and yet you can't afford a lower to match it huh
>>64971100I'll take this as a concession that I am American. And I don't really care about the lower. I can just rattle can it if I feel like it or get another lower. The upper is more important and it'll outshoot your poor fag build any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
>>64971111that's real cool and all but it looks like poo and you've only offered excuses and copes as to why
>>64970927What's going on on pa?
>>64971119>>64971122Fags who won't even post their guns impotently crying like spanked toddlers
>>64971183PA dems are proposing similar laws to what they're proposing in Minnesota. Loom up sb200
>>64971438The time stamp is correct faggot. You can also see my white hand in the other pic I posted. I can't tell if you're just a retard, troll, or Eglin glowy
>>64971417you'll think of the mismatching colors next time you take it to the range (in like 6 months lmao)
>>64971496You think I found a picture of someone else holding a KAC and then another picture of the same gun with a timestamp of the exact hour and minute? If you were retarded enough to belive that you wouldn't even be able to type.
>>64971597bro is trying so hard to flex his kac
>>64971653Go on and tell me how your PSA or S&W is just as good or some cope about how anyone who owns nicer guns than you doesn't shoot as much as you or is fat etc....
>>64971696all these things are true you couldn't have said it better
>>64971700>>64971749How's the weather in Eglin?
>>64971756pretty good shooting weather, not that you and your overpriced mismatched toy would know
>>64970925>he bought in to the LPVO meme
>>64970925Quite a few countries in Europe? Though KAC anything hasn't been imported to where I live in since the coof, and buying from other EU countries is still a pain in the ass
>>64971424Think it will pass? I see see some guy is trying to get us constitutional carry again as well.
>>64968598Leaf anon here, how do any of these bans get through dont they violate the 2nd amendment? Or do states so youre allowed guns but only the kinds we say you can have?
>>64972491who enforces the Constitution?
>>64968598>threaded barrelsDoes this include any shotgun with removable chokes?
>>64968647>you can't ban rifles by nameanon...
>>64972495The feds?
>>64972507The judiciary, dumbass. IOW the law stands until someone challenges it in court
>>64972491the only way you can gain relief is though the courts, but states pick their own judges either though appointment or election and until Trump's first term the senator for each state more or less got to unilaterally veto federal judges for their state so anti gun states have anti gun judges and there arent many federal laws about protecting people's rights outside of the unconstitutional civil rights laws because that's not a federal power.
>>64969223Didn't they just bitch and moan about getting fucked by ICE? What fucked up world view has them suffer under what they believe is government tyranny, and then try to completely disarm the people of their state?
>>64972721the people who got guns because of ICE don't like this bill either. they're not going to do anything about it but they ARE complaining on reddit. the state legislature and the commie dogs are surprisingly insulated from each other.
>>64970016Look on whose passsing and supporting all these bills, it's rich people. They want to tell you how to live your life because they hate theirs, so they want to control every second of your life. Why, because they have money and think they can do it. That's why they are pushing for gun control because some pleb with PSA special can end their life and that scares the hell out of them. Noticed in world where everything seems to be going up while budget ARs tend to stay the same price. Look at the UK they banned most guns, so what they go for next? Freedom of speech, under the guise of calling it hate speech.
>>64972808If you go far enough left you get your guns back
>>64972855lmao no you dont.
>>64972855if by "get your guns back" you mean get shot in the back by a gun, sure.
>>64970427I have always laughed at that name: DFL.Democrat, Farmer, Laborer.Farmers and Laborers have fucking abandoned the Democrat party to the point I'd be fucking surprised if ANY farmer still votes Dem.
>>64970598>he only got picked because he "owns" gunsThe "Somali child care" scheme he allowed or was complicate with is the millions in laundering that earned him the legitimate political capital for nomination. He not only knew, but nurtured this scheme.
>>64972721>What fucked up world viewHypocrisy.If you learn only one thing in life, it's never be a hypocrite, and never trust people who are.
>>64971653>his kacProbably just a PSA upper with a KAC (or knockoff) handguard lol
>>64972855Until they get into power and then you're a liability, so they just kill you instead.
>>64971211What is wrong with that?
>>64970837Being a single issue voter is straight retarded. Democrats may suck ass, but Republicucks haven't been the play since before you were born.
>>64968647I am from WA state and every weapon that is banned is by name. Please tell me what else we can't do that we are currently doing.
>>64972721The fags in office weren't the ones getting assaulted in the street, they are completely tone-deaf
>>64975147>Being a single issue voter is straight retardednot when the single issue is individual accountabilityfrom guns to migration to women to blacks to gays to fentanyl, every single Democrat plank rests on this one foundational cornerstone: avoid all accountability
>>64974918Antisemitic tropes aside, what is the actual problem with his candidacy?
>>64970016>heredon't you talk to Democrats?I'm not Californicating and even I doTheir position is:if people can own guns, they will kill themselves, accidentally or purposefullythat mustn't happen, so take them awayNow, criminals will kill other people with guns. ordinarily this wouldn't be a problem, as the police will sort them outbut see, Criminal Lives Matterso to prevent the criminals from killing other people, >but anon that's retarded, look at Irina, criminals can kill with knives tooeventually they will take away knives too, look at Australia and UK>but what about makeshift weaponsthey'll take those away too>but I need those scissors to prune my rosesfuck you, #CLMthis entire restructuring of society is commanded for 80% of the population in the faint hopes that these measures will be able to protect the 20% from individual accountability; ie to prevent them from committing crimes which will get them shotTHAT IS ALLas shrimple as that>but what about illegal guns?they're betting that fewer legal guns will result in net less violence, never mind the illegal guns>but what if we bet wrong?I dunno, fuck the patriarchy or something, it's not my fault!(Remember: no accountability, ESPECIALLY for their social engineering choices)>what about hunting licenses?they'll charge you an astronomical sum for it, like say $50,000 or even $100,000, because Big Government needs Big Tax for Big Welfarewhich again, functions to insulate the poor from their own bad choices>blow it all on fent whiskey waifu pillows, draw another dole from the gubmint>#CLMtheir logic, as with every Democrat position, is: take away all accountabilitythey are the ultimate NIMBYs, in that they don't have a fucking backyard, and they want to take away everyone else's backyard tooBUT, and here is the crucial difference, they want all the resourcesthey just don't want the accountability for ityou name it, I can show how every Democrat position boils down to this
>>64968598Why does it seem like gunrights are getting exponentially worse since the Supreme court ruling? Like, our 2nd amendment rights are just getting obliterated across the board in multiple states and the Supreme court just keeps rejecting cases that could correct it.
>>64970498>or when he targets brown people you need to accept that you do not actually care particularly for democracyYou say this while the OVERWHELMING majority of brownoids vote for democrats and support gun control/limiting free speech.I care for democracy, just not for brown "people" having rights or even really existing in said democracy. Human rights are for whites and (non-chinese) asians, only.
>>64970449>never supported Ronald Reagonbased
>>64978959Indeed. Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to millions of illegals and passed one of the most egregious gun control laws in American history. He also massively increased the gap between rich and poor via his faggoty "trickle down" economics bullshit, creating the economic hellscape and accompanying judder-corporate authoritarian regime that rules over us currently.
>>64978966judeo-corporate**Fucking autocorrect.
>>64978966And boomers love that faggot. It feels like a joke.
>>64970449Are we going to pretend voting for Ronald Reagan was a good thing?
>>64978977>democrats said so, it must be trueAll the memes you know about finance, economics, and governance, are probably based on Democrat propaganda of the last 2 decadesRevisit your thinking on everything
>>64978977are we going to pretend that voting democrat is either?
>>64978970My honest opinion is that boomers don't deserve human rights and should be stripped of their ability to vote, own property, and maintain bank accounts. All of their assets should go to their younger offspring who's future they stole from. They are an utterly irredeemable generation. Too brainwashed to function.I am genuinely fascinated and mortified that a generation of people could be so thoroughly conditioned like they are.
>>64978966>trickle down" economicsTo this day Democrats can't explain why x% of taxation somehow violates all the standard supply-demand laws of socio-economics, but x+y% of taxation magically doesn'tProgressive taxes are already a thingBillionaires pay a larger proportion of their income and wealth than the poorer half of the population put togetherThe only cope that socialists have against this data is the nebulous "well they must have fraudulently hidden some away!"Forgetting that billionaires have their companies and personal tax filings audited virtually every yearMeanwhile, the same Democrats propose legislation to PREVENT audits of their "undocumented" migrant-run Learing Centers, because audits are badEvery accusation is a confession
>>64979003>Billionaires pay a larger proportion of their income and wealth than the poorer half of the population put togethera few billionaires also control about as much wealth as the bottom 50% of people in this country put together. And most billionaires dont pay taxes at all, they dodge them.Imagine unironically simping for billionaires. You HAVE to be a boomer or a shillbot. No one else is this much of a bitch.The states with the strictest gun control laws (NY, CA, MA, CN, extra) are also the states where the wealthy of America choose to live. They disarm the peasantry where ever they go.
>>64979017>a few billionaires also control about as much wealth as the bottom 50% of people in this country put togetherAnd I repeat: they pay a greater proportion of this wealth than the bottom 50% do, and they generate more exports and business and jobs for the country via that control>And most billionaires dont pay taxes at all, they dodge themWe have tax filings to prove that this is an utter lie>Imagine unironically simpingIt's not simping if it's true.Have you even looked at tax revenue data before?No, you don't have to reply, the answer is written all over your retardation
>>64979029Let me guess, you're one of those praying for Israel?
>>64979029And I repeat: They all dodge taxes and the whole reason they pay more taxes is because they've monopolized all the wealth and power under their control.>and they generate more exports and business and jobs for the country via that controlThose jobs and that control clearly isn't working out for anyone but themselves because they own more wealth than literally everyone else in the country while the younger generations cant even afford to own a home. And buy this logic Kim Jung Un should be respected by North Koreans because the "Supreme Leader" creates jobs and industry for his people, and everyone is reliant on him for their livelyhoods. America used to have an actual market economy with actual competition between many different companies. Now almost everything has been consolidated under a few brands/monopolies that are all owned by the same billionaire class. I swear, there is genuinely no difference between commies and ultra-capitalists. Both ideologies result in all power and wealth being monopolized at the top of society, they just go about it two different ways. Both deserve merciless extermination.
>>64979062by this logic**
>>64979045>no answer>ad hominemThought notWhat a faggot
>>64979070Okay boomer
>>64979062>They all dodge taxesSo prove itAudit them, and publish the findingsI actually wouldn't mind a closer scrutiny, especially of Congress-related family, unusualwhales has all but proven rampant insider trading in Congress>cough Pelosi coughBut trying to fine rich people after auditing them and finding nothing, on the assumption that "they must have done something anyway even if we can't prove it" is vile and immoral and society will only react accordingly, i.e. by not conducting business at a level where such wealth is amassed, which leads to less business and ironically, less tax revenue(See: Europe)>the whole reason they pay more taxes is because they've monopolized all the wealthYou do know basic math, right?You do realise that if you broke up a billionaire's wealth over, say, 10 million separate individuals, the state actually receives less taxes?>while the younger generations cant even afford to own a homeDo you know that until Covid, home ownership was at peak? More people could afford their own homes than at any time in human history>Kimwould indeed be respected if North Korea was the most successful economy in the world with a higher number of self-made millionaires and a higher median income per capita than any other major economy, except for those bastard mini-nations like Dubai or Iceland whom we allow to inherit huge amounts of oil and gasBut he's notAnd the US is1/2
>>649790622/2>Now almost everything has been consolidated under a few brands/monopoliesI actually agreeBut the result is due to STATE CONTROL, not due to capitalism. It's the result of Obama cowardly dodging the fiscal cliff. Of Bernanke prolonging cheap debt so that Obama didn't have to slash federal spending, and continued racking up the deficit. Of central control of economies selecting which corporations to support, rather than letting the market crash and reset the debt cycle.It's the result of Keynesian policies of the last 2 decades.Federal spending means more dole, more welfare, more overpaid and underworked government jobs. Taxpayers pay those salaries, those workers spend their salaries on... guess what?Buying Tesla cars, nVidia-powered gaming rigs, iPads, overpriced junk food and apparel from Walmart, all delivered by Amazon, etc etcSlash government spending by 20% and see what that does to the billionaires' fortunes.
>>64978953because the demosharts are working overtime to gape gun rights in new creative ways i.e. banning pistol grips and mailing ammo to your own home
>>64979121>Iceland*NorwayDerpBy the way, a significant proportion of their wealth is due to investment in US stocks, not just oil and gas. Maybe as high as 25%.Either way they are not a real economy, just the world equivalent of trust fund babies. Literally the 1%ers of Europe.
>>64979121>cough Pelosi coughit is funny how demoncraps push the blame and responsibility onto this rich guy or that rich guy; it is a distraction from the worst rich guys of all... CONGRESS. I'm not going to pretend it's just Demoids, Republicans in congress are often just rich assholes, BUT at least Republican voters seem to agree that simply "eating the rich" accomplishes nothing
>>64968647This. We need to ban these weapons that are low down dog whistles to remind the Somalis of the racism against their light bulb heads.
>>64978977no, reagan was a fudd and a grabber, but he won 44/50 states. Let them celebrate being first amongst losers. >>64979017don't forget IL with billionaire governor. The really blue states are driving away business, but they won't change course. MA is a complete shitshow right now. I should've got a lower before the latest bullshit because they changed the grandfather date to anything that was in state on 8/1/24. They at least quadrupled the number of scary salt guns that are legal.
>>64980794Once again, according to tax data that's not true>>64980766>BLM DAs have consistently lead to a drop in blacks getting convictedPeriodOr charged at all
>>64968667tbqh there should be some kind of personal liability for being involved in trying to pass, or passing, a bill that's found to be unconsitutional, so they can't just keep trying repeatedly
>>64981470Yeah see, every time I see this claim and challenge it, I always get this goalpost shift in return:>he does not pay taxesproofs?>well actually he does but he doesn't pay as much as if he would if all his income wasn't paid in stockNot only is this a goalpost shift, it's also wrong because no matter how you slice it, you still have to pay. The law on capital gains tax for high income individuals is almost brutally clear Let's say this year I pay you a salary of 3 million dollars of Tesla shares. For the sake of the example we'll presume the share value neither rises nor drops (which is a key risk). How are you going to use that to buy a box of cornflakes at Walmart?>inb4 bank loansThat just transfers the problem to a new one of repaying the bank loans without incurring taxes. It doesn't solve the problem, only layers it.Protip: you can't, not without resorting to fraudDo you see now how this fallacious narrative has been constructed?The whole "billionaires dont pay taxes REEEEE!!" claim has to rest on two principles,>they're actually committing fraud we just can't prove itAnd>actually they pay taxes (a lot of taxes, based on IRS filings) it's just that I feel they should pay moreThe latter is the real sentiment here, everything else is merely an outrage excuse to justify it
im guessing that after the midterms or 2028 we are going to see national AWB w/ possible """buy back""" at this rate
>>64981611>proof that he pays taxes?https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/20/elon-musk-says-he-will-pay-over-11-billion-in-taxes-this-year.html>the interest rate he pays the bank is basically ZERO because he has collateralYou're mixing up several concepts here. Maybe he got an interest-free loan, who knows?But that's separate from using stock as collateral for a loan, which carries separate considerations and risks.>inb4 the rules are differentYou think banks won't margin call Musk if his stock drops?Lol
>>64981636Yeah keep telling yourself that MAGArat
>>64981669>lies>no the IRS can't prove it, they have no idea what he filed>there's not a single whistleblower in the IRS who hates Musk and can prove that he liedUhuh yeah>he obviously has more collateral than the amount he takes outYeah, because overcollateralising a loan thus tying up those shares somehow makes more sense than just paying the damn tax billAnd as I said before, this doesn't solve the cashflow problem, it only transfers the problem to another layerNow tell me how Musk and his pet bank is going to finance that big wad of cash? One way or another, the shares have to be sold. And when they are sold, even to repay a loan with, they are taxed.You know, in about 3 years' time, all these convolutions you come up with will be worth about as much as if Musk had simply paid the tax for 2022 in the first place and took the cash.And that's assuming he has access to an interest-free loan.
>>64969274Democrats enjoy kickbacks from the Somali Scam:https://youtu.be/EhkENVbG1_E?si=1tTm9qq8w_OZtUc5Kino
>>64978639I honestly have no idea how any man can vote democrat. Their platform is so fucking feminized it’s unreal. I genuinely consider men who vote democrat to be women
>>64979566Zoomers won’t understand. For a long time Americans were uneasy with a Catholic president for fear they’d be subservient to the pope. How far we’ve come.
>>64981887yeah it's crazy how no one talked about how biden was a jew and was beholden to Israel after kennedy got shit for being a catholic and people flat out refused to vote for the catholic candidates before Kennedy over the Rome stuff >>64981877because most of the pro dem posters on /k/ are eastern yuros who love faggots, trannies and open borders and who hate guns and most importantly, they hate trump because he isnt as pro ukraine as the dems are and that's their big issue.look at how many retards on /k/ actually assume ukraine is a big enough issue to swing the midterms or make Vance unelectable when ukraine isnt in the top 100 issues and yuros just cant understand that no one here cares
>>64981918If it comes to that, by the same standard you have zero proof anyone pays taxes at all>shares are capital gains, not income, they are taxed at a way, way lower rateDEAD WRONGGo away, you've just proven you have no clue whatsoever
>>64982013Unrealised gains are not usable, fuckwad>hurr durr just take another loanThat just kicks the can further down the road, but eventually it still needs to be paid, shares still need to be sold to do that, at which point the cost will be higher than if one justPAYSTHEDAMNTAXESTOBEGINWITH
>>64981925>they hate trump because he isnt as pro ukraine as the dems are and that's their big issue.>look at how many retards on /k/ actually assume ukraine is a big enough issue to swing the midterms or make Vance unelectable when ukraine isnt in the top 100 issues and yuros just cant understand that no one here caresInteresting povActually you just cleared something up in my mind. I want Total Zigger Death but I also want Total Tranny Death. I've been struggling over Trump's position on this for years. You just clarified it for me by re-presenting the dilemma in rank order: which would you want first, TTD or TZDAnd I realized: TTD. Because it's a greater and more immediate and more existential threat.
>>64982032>you just take out a new loan and then a new loan and then a new loan, retard.That just kicks the can further down the road, but eventually it still needs to be paid, shares still need to be sold to do that>loans are cheaperat which point the cost will be higher than if one justPAYSTHEDAMNTAXESTOBEGINWITHAll this assumes Musk has access to an interest-free loan somehow, which isn't proven. After about 7 or 8 years, the cost of avoiding taxes in this way becomes higher than just paying.If he has to take out an interest-bearing loan, the timeline is even shorter than that.You don't know anything at all about finance or taxes.
>>64982067>because it just is okay!wilful ignorance
>>64982087I'm familiar with general American tax law, and the tax laws of my own jurisdiction which has similar provisions, and a few other jurisdictions I've filed taxes for, and no,> if you have a 401k you can take out a loan on your stock position that's literally interest freeis not a default provisionalso, 401ks have upper limitsas do most similar pension funds around the world and in fact I'm more familiar with American tax law than you are, given your stupid claim here:>capital gains, not income, they are taxed at a way, way lower ratewhich outs you as a larping poorfag(hint, hint)
>>64982176never pretended to be Americanwhich just makes it more embarrassing that you're being schooled, doesn't it?>most people have 401ks poorfagindeedbut it's time for you to wake up to the notion that you're in the middle of the bell curve and there are TWO tail ends, if you can count that high
>>64982205>no argument>ad hominemYWNBAW, quit behaving like one
401ks are for suckers, by the time you're 65 you won't have a real use for it other than waiting to die and inflation will make that lifelong investment worth a quarter of what you put in. Throw it all into bitcoin like a supreme retard like me.
>>64982784Fuck off Milei, Falklands is rightful bong clay
>>64969274Dem voters will just move and shit up another state.
>>64983930>I know everything about my country from agriculture to zoology, rocket surgery to psychiatry, because I'm in itidiot
>>64983372I live in CO and this is 100% true.Things were fine 15-20 years ago before the lumpenproles decided to dogpile this place.The first wave is the weird lefty fruitcakes and hipster faggots.The second wave is millions of straight up foreigners to sure up elections.They are an absolute cancer and we really need to have an open and honest discussion about leftism in America.
>>64968598fuck off, we're full
>>64968647bait used to be believable
>>64982130Long term capital gains are taxed lower than many income tax brackets. Short term capital gains, not so much.
>>64990714>Short term capital gains, not so muchusually only applicable for real property gainsand in any case, the relevant exception I was hinting at is for US high-income individuals; they get no special treatment for capital gains, they're taxed as if it is incomeso all that bullshit about hurr durr capital gains Musk bla bla you read?mostly rot
>>64968598It looks like they're just copying California's gun laws. You can just buy a Mini-14 if you really wanted a semi-automatic rifle chambered in 5.56. It's not ideal, but it's hardly the end of the world
>>64984943you are a literal indian and you dont know jack shit about the US. you thirdie retards always think you are smarter than you are
>>64993976>malding cause his bullshit got janny'd en masselol
>>64993609>You can justfuck off, yes you can
>>64993597they arent taxed as income you retarded dickless thirdie. you nonAmericans are all retarded >>64993609the ability to buy an AR over a mini 14 is worth more than anything in the dem platform>>64993992completely unrelated, thirdoid
>>64968598faggot state full of brainraped, entitled whites and their pet savages which they ensure don't live to close to themselves, only yout. fargo resident of 2 years
Minnesotans are subhumans. They shouldn't have any second ammendment rights because they are not people.
>>64972491It's illegal, but lefty states have been in rebellion for a while now. Look how hard they blocked ICE. The first civil war was fought over state power vs federal power. It's basically the same thing now, but it's states ruled by liberal tyrants who are in rebellion to federal law. MN govt spent the last half dozen years robbing and scamming the people, and now they want to disarm them. Fucking commies. MN used to be a conservative, white man's hidden gem. Now it's gay and poop colored.
>>64997393Another example (of state vs fed) is all the states that legalized weed are in direct violation of federal law. Thats why they cant use banks, and are cash only businesses. The DEA could go raid every dispensary if they wanted to. MN is like, "you cant have real guns, but as a trade-off you can have weed and endless browns."
>>64972496My CZ 457 .22 bolter is gonna be an assault rifle now lmao.
>>64972498Can't ban a weapon that is in "common use," (like an ar), but they can ban every thing that makes an AR an AR. Examples: no pistol grips, no handguards, no muzzle devices, no detachable magazines, etc. Now we're at a point of federal impotence that gaytard states just go ahead and ban common use guns directly anyway. Been than way for a while.
>>64968598>possible inspectionslmao you get what you deserve
>>64997393>lefty states have been in rebellion for a while nowI feel like most (stupid but otherwise well-meaning) people are in denial of this factlike there are pro-ICE people who honestly ask, "can't ICE just work with the local police to arrest illegals?" and I'm: "anon, I..."
>>64996400When I was a kid, the state was night and day different. Yeah, Minneapolis has always had a small pool of lefties, but it wasn't the insane shit we see today. Back in the day, MN was a hidden gem. Ignored by most of the country, and like 98% white and high trust. Now, the Twin Cities metro is like a whole other country compared to the rest of the state, and they have total control. You can tell whether youre in communist territory or free territory based on whether a place flies the new flag or the old flag.
>>64996400this>>64997393Minnesota was never conservative. they used to vote for actual communists like debbs
>>64997409the goynip legalization has been a disaster>>64997437they're gunna ban features, but they can ban basically any gun by name that isn't an AR. multiple judges have agreed that ARs are in common use, but I don't think they've done the test for any other gun
>>64997814>>64997393isn't minnisota the place where that guy kidnapped and raped and killed little girls by telling them he had puppies? the stranger danger cases were from minnisota
>>64998656Hey man Chester the Molester became the local boogeyman and spawned countless urban legends
>>65000821I was thinking of the kidnapping and murder of Cassie Hansen
>>64993597Capital gains are taxed as capital gains you stupid fuck. The reason it's mainly beneficial for the rich is they can take advantage of the lower capital gain tax to make money that way instead of relying on income from a job, bypassing the income tax entirely.
>>64997814The new flag is great. Glad the change was made. ZERO people flew the old MN flag. magically as soon as tards made the new one a political issue, everyone and their dad needed to hang up the ugliest state flag in US history and pretend they totally gave a shit about it this whole time.If you guys are so buttblasted about the 10,000 lakes north star state having a blue flag with a star that barely resembles the somalian flag, go petition somalia to change their flag. Our state is older than that shithole's entire existence.
>>65002228not for high-income individualsit's the little things like these that separate the amateurs from the pros
>>65002414>high income why are you thirdies so fucking retarded? it's capital gains, not income
>>65002437>the butt-blasted nigger is still at itlmao>it's capital gains, not incomeTax 101: it's all income. whether it's income from capital gains or other kinds of income is a consideration that comes after this first principle.you would have learnt this on the very first day of Tax class, if you'd studied the subject at all.
>>65002457you arent American and you dont know what you are talking about you retarded thirdie as jeet. all of you third world indians are retarded
>>65002556uh oh, melty
>>65002562I just hate thirdies since you are all no gunz retards who think you know shit you dont know because all nonAmericans have sub 60 IQs
>>65002571>I just can't cope with being proven wrongvery jeet behaviour
