Let's suppose the Chinese Navy agrees to help us out in our security operations in the Strait of Hormuz. I know the US has a good system to coordinate things like IFF, the way we're doing with regional powers in the gulf so there are no friendly fire incidents. But those people have been our friends for a long time. How will our new friends the Chinese know which Iranian targets we need them to hit? And how will we know which ships are Chinese so we don't blow them up?Is there a way for us to plug them into the AEGIS combat system without risking too much sensitive intel?
>>64970038If this does not get resolved soon, the place the PLAN will sail to is Taiwan.
>>64970038>so there are no friendly fire incidentsAbout that...
>>64970038>Let's suppose the Chinese Navy agrees to help us out in our security operations in the Strait of HormuzWhy would China get involved?
>>64970110~40% of their oil goes through that Strait.
>>64970110Today Trump has decided he wants everyone to help protect the Hormuz.Dunno about tomorrow.
>>64970118Why China of all places? He turned down the British like last week.
>>64970117And it still will. The only ships that have passed through are Chinese ships.
>>64970124Don't worry, he's decided he wants the bongs back as well.
>>64970038you misunderstand the point. the US is already an ally of China. they have been a security partner protecting their trade and shipping, and far more. this is ending.
>>64970125Litterally zero evidence of that except from unironic Iran news sources, so just post the cropped picture already
>>64970125You can count that number on one hand. Crude on the open market and especially in Shanghai is still massively inflated.
>>64970139>TRUMP: We don't want your help LOSERS we already won the war!>Also TRUMP: Send help quick we won so hard the enemy doesn't realize it and won't stop fighting!Why do people still back this fucking thing jesus christ he makes Bush look like a master strategist
>>64970163decades of brainwashing via mass media
>>64970174the fuck are you talking about? the mass media hates trump.
>>64970163If Zelensky's response to Trump saying they don't need Ukrainian drones is anything to go by:>rhetoric is rhetoric, most important thing is we know what we're actually doingThen it seems that at least politicians have started to take his statements as white noise.
>>64970174>mass mediahow genuinely stupid do you have to be to believe this
>>64970178The mass media accidentially used reverse psychology on the American population.
>>64970038While I would welcome China at least taking up some of the responsibility of global policing, they seem to have zero interest in such things. They just want to commit genocide and deplete other nations waters of fish.Maybe one day they'll start caring about other people's wellbeing, but I doubt it.
>>64970178the massest media of them all literally cannot stop sucking him off
>>64970290honestly, yeah. they got too retarded and it caused people to go as far in the other direction as they could.
>>64970306>spending time on him means they like himis this the great leftist intelligence I hear so much about?
>>64970312do you think Fox is reporting negatively on this administration?or did your eyes glaze over when you saw numbers and graphs?
>>64970290You don't get it do you? What is it you do not understand? TWO. SCOOPS.
>>64970313Not an argument, schizo.
>>64970392are you actually fucking retarded?
The basics should be easy as its internationally standardised and the PLAN has trained with the US in the past. From there you just repeat the Somalia anti-piracy playbook and have them roughly doing their own thing with patrols (this time out of UAE and Pakistan) but in theory you also help each other out.ezpz.
>>64970038I mean the US and North Korea tamed up once to hunt pirates so anything is possible.
>>64970384You know, the two scoops thing doesn't seem as silly to criticize, seeing as it's a pattern in a wider picture. He is a selfish child in the body of an 85 year old man. I know he's not 85, but he has the body of one.
>>64970081Can't wait for 3, 3-day Special Operations happening simultaneously
Enemies to lovers in international relations as oil shortages and the strait of hormuz force proximity and love blooms on the battlefield?
>>64970038does he not know the Chinese are still getting oil?
>>64970178Not sure if you've been asleep for the last 25 years but most people get their news online through twitter, facebook, and tiktok now. Yes, there is still some legacy media, especially useful if you need a citation for wiki that won't get NPOV'd into oblivion, but the concept of a "mass media" as a set of 3-letter broadcast TV networks where everyone gathers 'round and watches Peter Jennings is antiquated to the point of sounding ridiculous
>>64970163>>64970218Beginning to think Trump has been afflicted with the same curse as Armchair Copelord
>>64970110So trump can make them foot the bill and also charge them for the privilege to
>>64970426Did nobody else ask for two scoops and they're all jealous they have zero courage? I never understood that whole non problem.
>>64970163Decades of "talk" radio turned FAUX News into the means by which boomers are brainwashed into believing that Trump is God's Chosen to lead America back to the good ole days of Leave it to Beaver style of middle class living. Trump is to boomers as Kim Jong Un is to Best Koreans; the strong leader who will keep the bad guys away, and keep the people doing well. We just have better bread and circus. Norks have neither, but if the old lady on TV says everything is alright, everything IS alright even if you're flat broke, starving and whoring your kids out for extra rations from your local party member.
>>64970125no, no they haven't lol, chinese ships have been hit in equal measure.
>>64970470fujoshi's don't look like that, they're fucking ugly.
>>64970310Moderation is unironically a dead meme. Everyone genuinely wants the other half dead, and the most radical politicians are still moderates trying to "put more time on the clock".
>>64970426Post your gun with timestamp real quick
>>64970827How doing that will remove the fact Trump is retarded? Did he infect you with retardation?
zogger humiliation ritual thread
>>64970163Trump picked up a tactic from the Pissraeli/Zigger playbook: the firehose of falsehood. Disseminate as much bullshit into the mass media as possible, lie shamelessly, say things and do the opposite, do things and say the opposite. Accountability and veracity disappears when everything is bullshit.
>>64970139>start a clusterfuck>cry to the rest of the world (which you insult and tariff at every available opportunity) to come save youRemember that this guy won the popular vote. The US population is terminally retarded.
>start a war like retards>surprised at the consequences
>>64970081The USA has about 5% of its military capacity in Iran. If Taiwan cooks off the USA will show the Chinese how to jungle boogie. Plenty of Chinese nationals think they're being cute purchasing and occupying land next to US naval bases, but when the shit goes down they're all getting rounded up and tossed in the middle of the pacific.
>>64970298>They just want to commit genocide But the Chinese government formally protested what is happening in Gaza?
>>64970939Obviously they don't want anyone else to be allowed to commit genocide. Hell, didn't the kikes themselves invade Syria a year or two ago under the pretext of protecting some minority group no one actually cares about? Genocide is just one of those things that's always bad when it's someone else doing it.
>>64970298>>64970928butthurt zoggroid, China will not help you.
>>64970038This is a lose lose for China. If they help then they backstab one of their main allies and if they balk they expose themselves to evryone else.
>>64970139>>64970163You know it is a leftist when they try to argue two very different things (bombing Iran vs escorting ships) as the same.
>>64971057Well their main "ally" is borderline fucking worthless and they can extort them however they please. On the other, letting everyone else reopen the strait still helps them but keeps their hands clean. Yes everyone will see them as lazy and cowardly niggers but what else is new? They'll just post the retarded photoshop and say they won by doing nothing (despite getting their oil prices fucked even harder than ours). There's an opportunity for them to take the reigns as global police, lead the strait security, and pivot the world against us, but that would require they do something which isn't conducive to their strategy
>>64970038Why would they help? The huge hike in oil prices would hurt them in the short term but the US wasting all their interceptors and high end munitions in another middle eastern quagmire would more than make up for it. And in the long term they’re investing like crazy in EVs and renewables anyway.
>>64970038>let's suppose the chink navy can sail 20 meters out of their boxtldr
>>64970962>China will not help youI am well aware. They clearly have zero interest in cooperation.
>>64970038This already literally happened back in 2019 during the last round of tanker attacks. The Chinese ran their own separate mission from the US, Europeans and Japanese
>>64970518The controversy at the time was that nobody else was allowed more than one scoop. He was served two by default. Like Napoleon eating with aluminum utensils while the rest of his family used gold.
>>64970856He's infected with a mind virus.
>>64971090Why would the Chinese want to be global police?
>>64970117Source on this figure? even if it's real, China (its economy at least) is relatively much more insulated in terms of petrochemical energy. It gets a lot of its oil from Russia, and it has been pivoting towards renewables and EV's for a long time now. This will ironically end up boosting China's economy in the long run since its auto industry is spearheading EV's.
>>64971224China's need for oil
>>64971251You need to be globocop to buy oil?
>>64970939they're so fucking shameless aren't they, it hasn't even been two weeks since they killed 160 school kids.
>>64971279The general sentiment on this board is very out of touch with reality
>>64970038The Chinese will overwhelm Iran without US help, both the US and China can defeat Iran if they acknowledge that it won't be an easy war against a developing country, the Chinese are aware of this but the US isn't, assuming China goes to war would mean they would already be prepared to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers
>>64970038>>64970117>>64971251China isn't stupid enough to help America at all in Israel's war, on the contrary, China would probably be wise to restrict rare Earth exports to America as the latter depletes its munitions, and moves military assets away from the Pacific and towards the Middle East.
>>64971180No one wants to cooperate with dumbfuckistan, it's run by literal retards.
>>64970928>The USA has about 5% of its military capacity in IranNot even you believe this
>>64971459On a long enough timeline, sure that will begin to hit the Americans around 2028. And in the meantime the Chinese domestic demand for LNG and crude oil will go up at a time where electrical demand for AI will fuck up their race in that sector. I think the chinks will stay out of this, Xi just purged a bunch of generals and they're still in the process of replacing them. Now is not a time to mint some war veterans that will challenge him in the future for control over the military.
>>64971651I guess if you ignore the last 100 years or so of international relations you could make that argument, and it's more that this administration doesn't want to cooperate with anyone either.
>>64971768I believe it as someone who served before and was stationed at multiple AORs. Base locations, personnel deployments etc etc and 5% is probably where I'd put it. Just because 2-3 carriers are there now that isn't 50% of our military dumb fuck.
>>64970928So Trump will publicly humiliate Zelensky and raise hell over a single artillery shell for Ukraine, but you expect full military support for Taiwan?
>>64971835Its nearly half of the deployable air and naval forces
>>64971838US policy since 2010 has been to pivot towards Asia, disengaging from Europe and the Middle East, in an effort to contain China's rise, Biden's blank cheque support for Ukraine went against that trend, Trump seemed to be on course for following Obama's Asia strategy when he turned off the free weapons tap to Ukraine(but not weapons paid for by Europeans), but then Trump went ahead and attacked Iran with Israel, which is an even greater departure from the Asia pivot as Trump is redeploying military assets stationed in the Pacific to the Middle East. I'm not even sure if Trump will defend Taiwan against China, or if he even can.
>>64970125Yes actually Chinese ships are immune to mines. Very implessive.
>>64970038>Let's suppose the Chinese Navy agrees to help us out in our security operations in the Strait of Hormuz.Why would anyone want to send their navy into an easily mined shooting gallery?
>>64971846how long have I been asleep, what year is this. When did EUCOM or INDOPACOM air force, army, marines get involved?
>>64971827Years of progress can be easily undone by seconds of irrational foolishness. That's what happened to the US, sad to say. This war is a watershed milestone in the unraveling of its hegemony. Can't protect its important gulf allies on which the currency that is the backbone for your global economic dominance is predicated. They've already been drifting to China/multipolarity for a while, but now, not only do they absolutely not trust the US, but they're not even worthwhile allies anymore. Bahrain got completely cooked, Qatar got roughed up, and UAE is absolutely donezo and its economy won't ever recover from this. And in failing to protect them and project your power over Iran, you even pilfered your military assets in Asia & Pacific. THAAD's that your government force-fed to the South Koreans, which cost South Korea countless billions of bilateral economic trade with China and regional soft power, were unceremoniously withdrawn along with lots of Patriots to the Middle East. The upcoming little cope of a 'ground invasion' that's coming up is sourcing a lot of troops from Okinawa. Both of these countries are also hurting economically. They're basically the last vestige of 'allies' the US has in the world right now and they're being shafted, swindled and extorted for investments, bridges with everyone else got burned. And to cap it all... for what? For Israel, a tiny nation state that offers the US nothing? Even right now while Israel is milking the US out of the last drops of milk they're sending their overseas infiltrators like Laura Trooner to cut deals with the Indians and use them as their new pet goy superpower. Meanwhile, China wins BIG in this war. This energy crisis is the best thing that could ever happen to its EV/Renewable energy tech industry. The trade/political vacuum being generated across the world is gonna be filled by China, it's already started in Europe, the gates got opened for Chinese investment since Davos.
>>64971871are you a chink by any chance?
>>64971861At the start of the conflictThey've been pulling air refueling tankers, recon aircraft, strategic bombers from Europe. They just mobilized a marine naval invasion task force from the pacific, the carrier groups involved - their home ports are in the pacific. They mobilized global strike aircraft and they mobilized the 82nd airborne from North Carolina,
>>64971871Declining superpowers often act irrationally when they think they're trying to save the last vestiges of their hegemony, doubly so when they're being pushed into wars by parasitic states such as Israel all for the latter's benefit.
>>64971875American analysts have been saying that too, this guy used to work for the CIA and came to the same conclusions. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tKW17kQKRY
>>64971875Do you think a Chink would give you this kind of level, honest and brutal reality instead of goad you on to keep you in a state of macho retardation? I think even the Chinese right now are disappointed looking at how stupid the US is shitting itself. They're probably going "it wasn't supposed to be this anticlimactic". The Chinese are also interested in world order since by order of magnitude their most important priority is good trade and exporting all the stuff they make, so even though they're your enemies, they want you to stay in good shape so you buy their shit.Short answer for your retarded burger brain; no, I'm not Chinese. I'm a Gulfie.
>>64971882SAAAAAAAAAR
>>64970139>XI, please, send ships to help my special military operation and I may lower the tariffs ruining my economy
>>64971850The THAAD battery that was such an issue to get placed in Korea is being withdrawn lol
>>64971871The only real saving grace for the US with this is that the Chinese are overly cautious by nature and will more than likely hesitate to exploit the situation as aggressively as they should. The US is absolutely in decline but still has quite a bit of inertia left behind it. Unfortunately it seems most of that inertia will be spent shoring up the zionist entity instead of benefiting the American taxpayer or staving off decline
>>64971931Brown.
>>64971933Is that all you have? The baby killers aren't sending their best these days
>>64971938No one takes you seriously.
>>64971944Feel free to cry about it pussy
>>64970470
>>64970118>Today Trump has decided he wants everyone to help protect the Hormuz. Nigga should have thought of that before going to war. Or threatening to seize Greenland. Or telling Europe "fuck you, you will do what we say because you need us more than we need you." Dumbshit spent all that time being the big bad strongman waving his pecker around and spending up all the goodwill the US had and now he goes hat in hand to the same people he talked shit on. What a fucking statesman. A real masterclass in politics, right here. Maybe he can use his tariff windfall to buy up the worlds supply of soothing cream for his chapped ass. Maybe repurpose the lip balm he slathers on before sucking Bibi's cock. America is great again. Mission accomplished. Faggot.
>>64971961I mean, he was a reality TV star before this. I don't know what anyone expected other than this exact scenario. It's very funny he is single handedly rehabilitating dubya though
>>64971961Dude is a spoiled rich kid, who inherited a bunch of wealth that then grew as wealth does combined with the general real estate value growth in NYC. While that was happening he basically became a Kim Kardashian without the nice ass. Somehow Republican voters picked this first over Nikki Haley and then Harris, who was lame as shit, but at least not terminally retarded. Big brain move.
>>64971984>Nikki Haley
>>64971961>Nigga should have thought of that before going to war.He was told by the intelligence agencies and military that it would be a strategic blunder. Just overruled them because Venezuela was a success and they figured the same strategy would work.
>>64971876browns are so retarded its actually unbelievable
>>64970178No they don't. It's all a fucking puppet show.One side is "pro-Trump" and sells you their corporate messaging and the other is "anti-Trump" and sells you their corporate messaging. Trump is just there to draw in eyeballs.
>>64971994>You're brown if you don't suck off the US military
>>64971974I hope Denmark sends a ship to sail around the US fleet and then leave without helping.
>>64971961Retards are literally incapable of thinking even 5 minutes ahead.
>>64971988>Haley's U.S.-China policy plan: "Help Ukraine defeat the Russian invasion. A Russian defeat would be an enormous loss for China – and a true victory for peace.">Trump's U.S.-China policy plan: "Piss off our allies, cuck out to Russia, then beg Xi to sent troops against a a thirdie that until recently still fielded Tomcats."
>>64972027>A Russian defeat would be an enormous loss for ChinaHow do you figure? The war dragging on and making them more reliant on China is very good for them
>>64972030Anon, you just literally answered your own question.
>>64972030Because if Russia is defeated that means the war isn't dragging on.
>>64970117More like 20%.
>>64972032>>64972034The Russians are not going to give up and go home. The current situation is what Russian defeat looks like, making the Russians even more desperate would serve china's interests and more than it does now. The blumpf oil maneuvers are worse for China and wouldn't have happened under Haley
>>64972042>The blumpf oil maneuvers are worse for China and wouldn't have happened under HaleyRetard, they're worse for everyone. He just literally covered himself in shit and your argument is "smart move, now China has to smell him".
>>64971768>Personnel: ~40–50k about 3–4% of U.S. active-duty forces>Aircraft: ~300 about 2–3% of the U.S. military aircraft inventory>Navy ships: ~13–16 about 4–5% of the fleetAccording to chatgpt.
>>64972042Allowing Russia to sell unlimited oil is worse for China? lol okayNothing weakens a nation like having a stronger ally as opposed to a boat anchor!
>>64971257If you want to buy a quarter of the world supply, investing in security seems like a decent idea.
>>64972047And how much of that is deployable at any given time?
>>64972051Probably a lot more than 5%.
>>64972053Which means 5% of inventory is not 5% of deployable forceThe US had to mobilize troops and equipment for a whole year to go into Iraq. Only 3 carrier groups out of 11 are active and ready for any kind of operation.
>>64972047I respect this post with Chinese characteristics, wherein we count Coast Guard cutters as equivalent to the two top-tier carriers that are currently in the Red Sea.
>>64972057I asked chatgpt to weigh the percentage based on strategic combat value of the assets and it bumped it up to 8–12%.
>>64972057>two top-tier carriersout of elevennot counting the marines ships
>>64972046I'm not defending him, and it's clearly better for Russia as an oil exporter. The point is it's nonsense that better support for Ukraine would somehow be an attack on China when in reality it would give them even more of an upper hand over Russia and allow them to vassalize Russia if it got bad enough. That is not what hurting China looks like >>64972048They are barely allies if you haven't noticed. The two nations have a very complicated history and both treat each other as something to extract as much as they can from
>>64972066In an event where China engages with the US directly a la Taiwan, do you REALLY think Russia would just sit back and do nothing? Russia having their backs broken in Ukraine is by far the superior option to letting them recoup lost money and rebuild with ease.
>>64972080What could they possibly do besides pay people to shitpost on social media? They can't project power 100 miles across land from their own border.
>>64972080Even in optimal circumstances what do you imagine Russia would be capable of providing China with in a hot war over Taiwan? An array of cold war antiques?
>>64972080If anything 21st century military engagements have shown it's that military power is use it or lose it.Russia is taking huge casualties but their defence industry is growing, their tactics are modernizing, they are converting dumb bombs into smart glide bombs, they now have a massive drone industry, etc, etc.Meanwhile the Netherlands just sent a frigate that's missing core weapon systems to this defensive escort mission, the UK's navy was so behind on maintenance that it couldn't send destroyers either, and none of the Europeans would dare to send their militaries into any serious engagement - it's just to defend cyprus from Israeli false flag drone attacks.
>>64972082They are useful as a resource colony and source of mercenaries
>>64972059You must be using the model designed for writing marketing emails, anon.
>>64972081>>64972082Russia still has enough missile boats that it would be unpleasant for them to assist, and though their logistics are laughable, we don't need them to be able to add their worthless bodies to any kind of attack for cheap exploitation, nor do we need them feeling bold enough to start throwing bodies where they can make effective diversionary assaults.
>>64972059>>64972095And meaningfully higher once you start counting only expeditionary forces.
>>64972113Since China has the same ineffectual Soviet-derived air defenses as Iran, the US could achieve the same level of military dominance over China with the same forces deployed in Iran. Even if we assume 20-25% of US military power is tied up in Iran, that just means that the US is capable of subjugating 4-5 other countries at a time. Which ones doesn't really matter unless we're talking about Japan or possibly one of the larger European countries.
>>64972125>Since China has the same ineffectual Soviet-derived air defenses as Iran,You mean the ones derived from Soviet air defences which shot down thousands of American planes and helicopters in Vietnam?And Iran doesn't have air defences from China, and not even modern air defences from Russia, Iran refused Russia's offer of upgrading its air defences in 2024.
>>64972134Good thing we don't operate F-4s anymore. Iran did indeed have operating S-300, S-400, and HQ-9 systems at the start of the year. Of course it's no surprise that they were all destroyed with no American or Israeli air assets lost.
>>64972144It's great fortune that regime change is possible from the air
>>64972144>>64972144>Iran did indeed have operating S-300, S-400, and HQ-9Which are all but useless unless their integrated well into a defense network, which was what the Russians offered to do for Iran, but Iran declined. Russia also offered to boost counter-intelligence, to prevent internal sabotage of their air defences like what happened in the 2025 12 day war.>they were all destroyed with no American or Israeli air assets lost.Using stand-off weapons fired from Iraq, only once that air defence network was down did those air assets begin overflying Iran itself.>Good thing we don't operate F-4s anymoreYour latest planes wouldn't fare much better, including your "stealth" F-35 that even houthis managed to lock onto.I just read the rest of your original comment, and it's as delusional as I expected it to be.>the US could achieve the same level of military dominance over China Fucking lololol
>>64972160*they're integrated
>>64972149We don't have to change their regime, we can just keep bombing them indefinitely. JDAMs are cheap.>>64972154Good with we don't operate F-16 Block 20s, either.>Using stand-off weapons fired from Iraq, only once that air defence network was down did those air assets begin overflying Iran itself.Oh, you mean sort of like how we'd dismantle China's air defenses with standoff munitions before flying non-stealth aircraft in their airspace.
>>64972160>The eternal "Arabs are just brown retards" copeWe saw in 2022 that it's not just brown people that are retards, it's the entire "multipolar" world.
>>64972160>your "stealth" F-35 that even houthis managed to lock onto.
>>64972163OH NO NO NO NONever fear, Trump will finally make the F-47 totally invisible and able to phase through walls and can fire laser in all directions, THEN the Russian air defences will be no match!!!>sort of like how we'd dismantle China's air defenses with standoff munitionsEvery single US base in the Pacific will be smouldering crater in the ground LONG before then.
>>64972182See >>64972185And try not to cry too much.>>64972173Because we all know air defences are entirely autonomous right? You just switch them on right out of the box and they operate themselves.
>>64972182It’s really weird they can see it but can’t hit it.
>>64972185Imagine making this nothingburger your entire identity. The Serbs at least shot something down.
>>64972197>lock in is a nothing burgerHow were barely literaly houthis, using Iranian air defences, which are cheap knock offs of Russian air defences, able to lock on to a state of the art, STEALTH jet? Americans were telling everyone that that should have been impossible, "RCS of a bee!!!" and all that nonsense.
>>64972210*barely literate
>>64972185>>64972210>>64972212Id give it another 10 years before this line changes to >the US didnt exterminate us all to the last man, there for it lost
>>64972185So they shot it down then, right? Big success for the brown race?
>>64972197I mean it is kind of a big deal when the unholy mega grift wunderwaffe does not perform as advertised. What was all that money for?
>>64972215>So they shot it down then, right?Truing to shift the goalposts already? What happened to the "undetectible" F-35?>>64972214The US will definitely lose in a conflict with China, that's my point. If a fat hunk of shit like the F-35 can be detected by the houthis, it can definitelt be detected and shot down by the Chinese military."military dominance over China"Lmao such utter delusions.
>>64972223So it wasn't shot down then?
>>64972225Correct, it will be shot down by hypersonic Chinese missiles.Now this is the part of your cope where you go>hypersonicAnd like all of your other copes, it will fail when it meets reality.>>64972215They've already shifted the goal posts, congrats on the F-35 for being able to evade garbage tier Iranian missilest hat the houthis have.
>>64972223Looks like the bot is out of context window again
>>64972229Your reading comprehension being too shit to pick up the context isn't my fault
>>64972228Nah. I'm not even going to say anything about the hypersonics. I'm just going to outright tell you that the chinks are an inferior race, just like the sandniggers.Fake nations like China can't do anything right for long.I suppose that's why they and other brown subhumans are so happy about failing to shoot down a plane.
>>64972223Of course. The US could never carry out a SEAD campaign against the mighty dragon. It just simply isn't possible.
>>64972237>I'm just going to outright tell you that the chinks are an inferior raceHubris is commonly a factor in defeat during war, it makes you underestimate your enemies.
>>64972228How come Chinese AD wasn’t able to save Iran?
>>64972242Correct
>>64972244>Hubris is commonly a factor in defeat during war, it makes you underestimate your enemies.>>64972248>Correct
>>64972244The chinks, being inferior, as mentioned, have unlimited hubris, as we've seen in their many MANY attempts at shilling, and thus I am not concerned.In many ways they're a very female race.
>>64972247refer to >>64972134>>64972160Iran failed massively to upgrade their air defence network, and to protect it from internal sabotage by Mossad assets.
>>64972253Wait, I thought Iranian supplied AD to the Houthis managed to lock on an F35 and make it evade.
>>64972253Mossad must have been in Venezuela as well.
>>64972251>have unlimited hubrisChina has spent the last 50 years learning everything it can about Western technology and industry, they've constantly self-reflected on their failings in an effort to improve. That's doesn'r show hubris at all.
>>64972250Correctly assesing your current military capabilities, and the capabilities of your enemies, isn't hubris. The US barely has enough munitions for a war against Iran, a country with a shell of a military.
>>64972262The notion that they think they've learned everything and the assertions that they're superior to everyone else does, indeed, indicate hubris, most especially when how inferior and insectlike they are is on full display.Everyone knows they have no face anymore.
>>64972266And you think China has enough munitions for a war against the US?
>>64970139Damn, what happened to "America doesn't need allies, we're the strongest military on Earth"? I remember a lot of arrogant kvetching when Greenland was the talking point.
>>64972260No, that was the CIA.
>>64972273Good thing the CIA would never attempt to do anything in China then.
>>64972267>the assertions that they're superior to everyone elseWhat assertions? >>64972271Yes, the world's manufacturing superpower, which hasn't engaged in a war in the past 45 years, has much more munitions than America does.
>>64972271Well at the very least they aren't blowing through their stockpile on behalf of another country
>>64972277China already took care of the CIA within its borders.
>>64972279>if I play ignorant it'll help me win!Another sign of an inferior being. This is just sad at this point, and a reminder of how pathetic China actually is that one of their acolytes would feel the need to debate using such tactics.I suppose fake countries can't help it.
>>64972279>What assertions? It's just projection, these guys have been insufferably going on and on about how they are racially superior to everyone and militarily untouchable in every way for some reason
>>64972283Oh good they got ALL of them! What a reassuring thing that I hope they keep thinking. :^)
>>64972284You're claiming that I asserted things I never really did. Show me where I claimed "China was superior to everyone else".
>>64972279For at least 35 of those years they didn't make any weapons worth mentioning, and for the last ten or so, their production rates and stockpiles have been far below that of the US. You might have a point with converting their industry over to make weapons in wartime, except that the war would be taking place right on their doorstep and their industry would be devastated.
>>64971879Kek, the republic is dying, the US hasn't even entered its empire phase. Prepare for another couple centuries of humilation.
>>64972293No, I claimed that the Chinese, broadly, do. Open those slanty little eyes wider, Chang. I know your race is bad at comprehension of anything beyond simple orders, but this really is a pathetic display.
>>64972295>their production rates and stockpiles have been far below that of the US.You can't honsetly believe this, America makes just 90 Tomahawks a year, China makes that many of their equivalent ballistic missiles in a month. >their industry would be devastated.Not if their air defences are operational. And that's assuming they don't see an obvious American military build up right on their doorstep and don't attack first.
>>64972279>which hasn't engaged in a war in the past 45 yearsI too am an Olympic athlete, I just never take part in those games to prove that I am, you better believe it !
>>64972302>the Chinese, broadly, doAnd you know this, how?
>>64972279yes I'm sure those factories that churn out cheap garbage can be retooled to produce precision munitions very quickly and cheaply
>>64972293Perhaps the part where you said >>64972279>the world's manufacturing superpower, which hasn't engaged in a war in the past 45 years, has much more munitions than America does
>>64972315>cheap garbageYou mean the phone or computer you're typing this on now?
>>649723171. America isn't everyone else2. Having more munitions than someone, isn't a sign of superiority in the general sense. It's a specific military advantage.
>>64972315>factories that churn out cheap garbageBut enough about American manufacturing.
>>64972319You mean devices where the complex components are manufactured outside of China and shipped there to be assembled in sweatshops?
>>64972324What nation produces more high quality precision munitions than the United States?
>>64972334ChinaThen you'll cope about how their munitions aren't "precise". The irony being that most US munitions are made with Chinese components. >>64972330See pic related
>>64972336>Then you'll cope about how their munitions aren't "precise".I was going to go with the "high quality" part, but that works too.>The irony being that most US munitions are made with Chinese components.Components, or materials?
>>64972330>>64972334See pic related for further detail. US "high wuality precision munitions" are literally made with Chinese components, either Chinese missiles are the same quality as America's, or America's missiles are shit, pick.
>>64972339>Components, or materials?Components and materials, semiconductors included, see >>64972341If the Chinese government had any sense, with US munitions being at their lowest levels in years due to Zion Don's war against Iran, China would stop all missile components and materials shipments to America to further curb their stockpiles.
>>64972341What are these components, specifically? Definitely not the chips that actually run the software. Transistors, resistors, capacitors, etc?
>>64972345>>64972345They're written in the picture, search up the name of the company, what products they produce, who they produce it for, searcg for connections to the middle companies like Texas Instruments.
>>64972354I don't want to know everything they produce, I want to know what components of theirs are actually going into US weapons.
>>64972345>>64972354>>64972361There's not even Chinese components in them. Look at the chart and see how there's itty bitty lines coming from the weapons programs to the authorized suppliers that turn into much bigger lines going to the Chinese suppliers. The chart isn't showing what percentage of a Minuteman missile is made of chinkshit, it's showing that US contractors like Microsoft are reliant on doing business with Chinese companies like Talant Optronics, Co. Ltd. in order to make money selling commercial goods like Xboxes. The concern here is that these American suppliers will go out of business if they're no longer able to do commercial business with China to pay their bills.
Why would they want to fight a war for no reason when their oil is getting through Hormuz anyway? I honestly think that modern Americans are so utterly cucked that they assume that everyone else also wants to die for Israel by default and can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to. Hundreds of US troops injured and 11 killed so that Bibi doesn't have to face bribery charges. How humiliating
>>64972450Well said fellow. American has no interests outside its borders when its own infrastructure is crumbing and Americans cant get work or afford healthcare.They need to stop these wars for Israel and concentrate on them selves am I right :^) ?
Is the new shilling tactic saying the truth out loud but couching it as if it's supposed to be something ridiculous? Because if so you are not as clever as you think you are.
>>64972512That’s not a new technique at all, it just seems new because we got used to vatnik firehose of bullshit spam.
>>64972457I know you're a parasitic shill maggot from Tel Aviv but unironically yes. You can argue that America needs some foreign involvement to protect its own interests and keep its global hegemony intact. What America should never, ever do is go to war unilaterally on behalf of a proxy state that we've been pouring money and weapons into specifically so that they can handle this sort of shit by themselves. America also shouldn't go to war without a clear game plan in mind, and especially not when diplomacy is a more cost effective option which it was at least until Trump ripped up the JCPOA for literally no reason.If Israel was going to go to war with Iran anyway then they should have been told to have at it, but we're not getting involved. Bibi has been trying to get generations of US presidents to fight a war against Iran for him and every single one, even Dubya, was smart enough to say fuck off for all of the above reasons. When you have a proxy state determining when you send Americans to die in a Mideast shithole, you need to start asking hard questions. We don't invest in Israel so that WE can be THEIR attack dog.
>>64972523You wrote all those words, used all of that reddit spacing for something Im not going to even read because you're not as anonymous as you think and you've been shitting up this board non stop for weeks now.We know you, we see you, and Il continue to make you out and laugh at your pathetic shilling attempts.
>>64970290>accidentlySweet innocent child
>>64972531>No argument just seetheI guess I struck a nerve. Tell me who I would be shilling for exactly? If you know who I am you'd know I'm not a shill. I'm not the one who's trying to get Americans to die in the sandbox, you are. Which one is the shill? Btw what time is it in Tel Aviv? Also>Too stupid to read or understand my post You should not be bragging about this
>>64972771Oh, they nuked your other thread so you came back for more eh
>>64972523The assumption here is that the US is going to war on behalf of Israel. Which is idiotic. Iran getting a nuke is problematic for a plethora of reasons - namely that it will cause the Saudis and Egyptians (read: Saudi Bitches) to go nuclear too. Additionally, idk if you have been paying attention but there is this country called "China" who is very reliant on external fuel sources. Previously there were two major oil exporters whom the US could not control - Venezuela and Iran. Presently, there is only one - Iran. Meditate on why I would raise this point. Getting rid of the current Iranian government is veeeery much in American interests.
>>64972792Mudslimes know that the three centres of Western religion and culture were US, UK and Israel. They've knocked one over and are trying to divide and conquer the other two. Hence the constant squealing.
>>64970504>same curse as Armchair CopelordYou mean Russians having kompromat on him? We've known this for years
>>64971804>where electrical demand for AI will fuck up their race in that sectorNot going all-in on something even its backers have admitted has no actual value/usefulness seems like the right move though.Is this another case of China doing nothing and winning?
>>64971961Maybe this time America will learn that elections have consequences and voting on memes and retarded shit like "he makes me laugh" is dumb. Lmao, nah. We're going to put another retard in office eventually, and the retarded population will keep clapping and defending him, not all Americans, mind you, just the ones wearing that stupid hat.>>64971984Harris was going to start WW3 by invading Iran. I had to vote for him.
>>64972779>>64972792You clearly have a child's understanding of geopolitics so let me break this down in terms that you will understand. Iran was not close to getting a fission weapon in the next two years by any reliable intelligence estimate. Not only that but they were willing to make a deal and have been in the past. They had, and still have, the ability to make a dirty bomb, and have infinitely more reason to deploy one now that they have nothing to lose. They also have a highly decentralized command structure which means that cutting the head off of the snake does not safeguard America from terrorism, and Iran's likelihood of causing damage to US interests is exponentially higher because 1) individual cells and proxies no longer have to be accountable to a central command structure, 2) domestic political resistance is now a non-factor because of the rally around the flag effect, and 3) because this is the second time that we've attacked them unprovoked. Your assertion that this is 4D chess to make China suffer further reveals that you have no idea what you're talking about. The only ships that are going to be allowed through the strait are Chinese ships because that's a significant source of domestic revenue that Iran needs, and China is perceived as being geopolitically neutral, much to their benefit. China will continue to get oil and even though they'll still suffer from the effects of the wider market, America and its allies are going to suffer much more. If you were some sort of deluded retard Maga cultist who was laboring under the childlike delusion that there is a grand maverick strategy from trump, it's time you got a wake up call that putting a pedophile that is being blackmailed by Mossad in charge of US foreign policy was not wise. It turns out that involving America in another middle east forever war against an asymmetric foe with no clear end goal or timeline is still a bad idea. But you're probably just another israeli shill. So fuck you.
>>64972978>They also have a highly decentralized command structure....stopped reading there, >Muh Mosaic warfareOpinions of brainlets like you are promptly discarded
>>64972978>We're doing it to isolate Chinas energy supplies>HA! But China presently gets oil from Iran! IDIOT Yes. Ongoing operations are to change that.
>>64972066>y it would give them even more of an upper hand over Russia and allow them to vassalize Russia if it got bad enough. That is not what hurting China looks like>defeating a geopolitical rival and dictating humiliating terms to it as China's ally would not isolate ChinaYou defend a retard because you yourself are retarded. There is no defense of what he did. There is no defending his crypto scams. There is no defense of his blatant corruption and geopolitical incompetence. The fact that you are attempting this means that you are really looking for a reason not to look like a total moron for having voted for this. I have news for you: you're still an idiot, even if you never admit it.
>>64972163>we can just keep bombing them indefinitely.Yes, anon, just deplete the resources that might be helped to defend Taiwan. Just engage in another forever war where the only thing the enemy has to do is hide until you get tired and continue popping shots off at civilian vessels, ensuring the strait stays closed. I'm sure it'll be fine.
>>64972997>literal TDS post containing vague accusations impossible to quantify
>>64973002Any play on Taiwan will require the biggest buildup of forces we have seen since D-day. You'll be able to see it from space and it will take months. The risk is very small. >they can just outlast you If they have popular support (they dont).
>>64973010I made specific accusations, and I don't know if not having TDS is going to open the strait or stop a war that was started for literally no reason. Thanks for playing, dipshit. You deserve the rope.
>>64973018>I made specific accusations>crypto scams>blatant corruption and geopolitical incompetence.The vague accusations in question. > if not having TDS is going to open the strait or stop a war that was started for literally no reason.Ah, I see, your a panician.
>>64973027>you told me the retard shit himself, but you didn't tell me if there was corn in itOkay, dipshit. Sorry you're in a cult. There's no reasoning with you.
>>64973034>vague accusations>mindless (stale) insults
>>64971974>reality TV starI dont know, some might have have pointed to Reagan as an argument that it doesn't have to be a bad thing. Controversial as Reagan has been for some.
>>64972512>Is the new shilling tactic saying the truth out loud but couching it as if it's supposed to be something ridiculous?No, shills try to make bald facts into insults and accusations and have always done that. The obvious example is /pol/tards calling people leftists or liberals.
>>64972326>looks at the F35>cheap>garbage HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>64970928>>64971850Dude, at the end of his first term Trump was hoping to negotiate a "big beautiful deal" with the Chinese who have no problem playing him like a Trumpet to buy him. Back then his price was rather low since he almost got impeached twice.Second term China completely ignored his attempt to "assert dominance" with his retarded (and illegal) tariffs that might only have worked if he made it "everyone against China" instead of "everyone against the US".And since all countries are now trying to bring back electronics chips manufacturing at home, defending Taiwan is loosing in importance.So mister "America first" would probably sell Taiwan to China the same way he tried to sell Ukraine to Putin as long as they give him a price worth his ego (and if he lose Iran, he'll accept anything that can be made into a win)Not that China would do anything as stupid as invading Taiwan before they are, in fact, ready.Replacing them economically, then wait/create a time when no one care for Taiwan in a "not worth the trouble" way, then blockade them until a regime change. Slowly waiting for everyone else to just "accept" it.
>>64973406>And since all countries are now trying to bring back electronics chips manufacturing at home, defending Taiwan is loosing in importance.False, Taiwan is important regardless of the chip fabs. They play a role in the economy, sure, but they are of secondary importance.
>>64973170The problem is Reagan, for all his failures wasn't a completely self-interested moron. He had some sense of patriotism, even if he didn't fully respect the rules, he was driven by the idea that what he was doing was in service of some higher purpose. The President today only serves himself.
>>64973406>before they are in fact readythis is as ready as they're ever going to be, it's only going to go downhill for china from here.
>>64973412>only serves himselfI thought he served Israel, but you shills can't keep your stories straight to save your fucking lives.
>>64970038This is such an unfathomably cute naive burger post.First, it's the exact opposite of china's interest to get involved here.Secondly, IFF doesn't even work inside the USN, look at the Gettysburg shootdown, ships are broken, crews untrained.Thirdly, AEGIS is a decades old piece of shit, nothing interesting for china to steal.
>>64970110>Why would China get involved?>>64971057>>64971091>Why would they help?They won't HELP.But China can win big if they REPLACE the US as the superpower enforcing peace.And Trump is already pushing everyone toward China in moves so retarded you have to wonder if he isn't working for China.The difficulty is defusing the situation in a way that let Trump ego come out alive. If Trump can pretend to have won, he'll TACOS as usual.For that Iran would have to pretend to lose (not very hard) but be protected from regime change by China.And China could pretend to be obeying "Trump the peacemaker" (flattering his ego) knowing the actually intelligent people (and history) will see this as a complete victory for China.Trump is especially vulnerable to claiming victory, then accept anything except recognizing he was played like a fool.
>>64973484>REPLACE the US as the superpower enforcing peace.You mean bomb other countries and invade them for the benefit of Israel ? ;)
>>64973423And I thought you /pol/troons hated Israel, now you die for it the second your dictator says it's time for the end times.
>>64973484>But China can win big if they REPLACE the US as the superpower enforcing peace.I don’t think China wants that especially after trying to play retard wrangler with Afghanistan and Pakistan right now.
>>64973409Taiwan produced up to 90% of the chips of the planet, the Ukraine war finally made other country realize they needed backup.The only other reason to protect Taiwan is to annoy China. Which is not of much value given how Trump would readily sell out to Putin as long as they give him the illusion of power.>>64973420Meh, I don't need to be a Chink-shill to know that's false.Economically they are facing a downgrade but are still better than any other country.Politically?They've helped put one easily-swayed TACOS in control of the US. He's not impeding them in any real way (like Tic-toc media-controlling algorithm remaining in Chinese control).Just encouraging Trump megalomania weaken everyone's trust in the US, while the EU tear itself apart over licking Trump's dick or making any weapon together.So taking Taiwan? No reason to rush.At this rate the US will have another Civil war before the end of Trump's term and the EU will have the German selling themselves out to China to gain any advantage over France.Plus, China is happy to learn from Russia and US mistakes over how NOT to do "3-day military operations"
>>64973550>The only other reason to protect Taiwan is to annoy ChinaLOOK at a fucking map of the Pacific sometime before posting dumb shit like this. Actually fucking look at it.
>>64973489Good point but I meant replace the US at what the smarter POTUS did before Trump.>>64973499I agree that China (unlike the US) don't want to look like the bad guys (remember, those are mere "Uyghur reeducation camp", not sterilization and extermination camp).And that mean only working with regimes they can control. Which Iran was not even before Trump betrayed them by getting out of the previous accord).But China still wishes to replace the US softpower, "enforcing" peace simply by being present and too big to attack.
>>64973556Are you saying it's completely undefendable and China would have no trouble whatsoever?Or just trying to look smart by pretending you've seen a map of the pacific?China is annoyed by Taiwan because it represents a shift from their shitty cult to democracy.But other than that, Taiwan do not pose any threat to China and can be completely ignored, any hostile action would even legitimize an easy to enforce blockade.
>>64972523>We don't invest in Israel so that WE can be THEIR attack dog.We """invest""" in israel because their lobby owns our political class. No more, no less>>64972792>Getting rid of the current Iranian government is veeeery much in American interests.No it isn't, and neither was getting rid of Saddam, or Gaddafi, or Assad, or the leaders of the other countries on the PNAC shortlist. These wars have done irreparable damage to the American economy, we didn't even stay to extract resources for domestic use, the meddling has had severe blowback on Americans everywhere, has killed and maimed good soldiers for nothing, it was entirely geopolitical for the advantage of one country in particular.>>64972978>attacked them unprovoked.Attacked them unprovoked DURING diplomatic negotiations. It's disgusting to see a western military behave so dishonorably. >>64972997You can't even properly articulate whatever it is you are trying to say, you don't get to call anyone else a retard.
>>64973598There are Americans today who still deny this>>64973597America supports Taiwan because it has the potential to restrict China's access to the world's oceans by hosting military installations there like America has on Okinawa, the Philippines, Guam.
>>64973484You fundamentally don't understand the Chinese historical world view. They will never play global police like the US does
>>64973597I'm not sure what you read in to my comment but you're still way off the mark. Taiwan is important to China because it's the key to the First Island Chain, maritime military and economic freedom, and the ability to exert its will over the wider Pacific. This is obvious if you, again, look at a map for 5 seconds instead of fixating on TSMC. The political dimension of the conflict is also important, but the reason the US gives a shit, in the realpolitik sense, is that if China controlled Taiwan it would shift from a regional power in the Eastern Pacific to an entity capable of exerting its will over what is essentially America's backyard, enabling greater global economic dominance and likely displacing key US interests. In concrete terms, imagine if US or US-allied shipping in the Pacific ended up in a position where China could demand taxes or shipping-lane protection fees or simply undercut competition through SOEs and the resulting followon effects on the US economy. This is true regardless of US basing on the Second Island Chain or beyond.
>>64973412Reagan had the courage to pull out of Lebanon after that bombing instead of submit to the proto neocons extolling the virtues of getting mired in a civil war not even remotely adjacent to US interests. He also had the courage to tell Begin to stop shelling civilians or risk being cut off from US arms supplies. They don't make them like they used to.
>>64970139>we have already destroyed 100% of Iran's Military capability>butHAHAHAH
>>64972813That is not what the Chinese are doing.
>>64973550They're not zerg-rushing Taiwan because it gives Xi more time suppress the military so he can maintain power in an economic downturn. If his goal was to seize Taiwan asap, he would not need to purge his own generals until after the invasion.
>>64971070Are the "leftists" in the room with us right now?
>>64970139>whole week of declaring victory on truthsocial every single day comes down to this (also a declaration of victory (but...))The US is so 3rd world coded right now, ranging from the izzatmaxxed administration to the very idea that attacking a country will usher in a favorable regime change. That's literally the very exact plan Saddam had when he invaded Iran in 1981.
>>64970139Bongoloids shouldn't join not because they were humiliated a few weeks back but rather when Orange Man insulted all of those dead Bongs who served in Afganistan months ago.Let the Froggies park the CDG in the Straits of Hormuz instead.
>>64970038Is this the daily shill thread of choiceThere's always one thread where they all gather which is weird. I feel like if I ran a thirdie campaign I would spread them out a bit more and use words that aren't zog or ESL
>>64970038>I know the US has a good system to coordinate things like IFF>picrel is literally a ticonderoganigger-kun, I...
>>64972523Amen. Hallelujah. God bless you.I wish someone would slap people in DC to the tune of this speech.In a weird way I think Israel may have seen the writing on the wall that this is their only chance to do this. At this point even Trump must be wishing he could turn the clock back three weeks. No matter who becomes president, Israel is not gonna get anything from them for the next 3-4 administrations.But does anyone have a plan on how to get out of this mess? Something that has a chance of working and is achievable?
>>64970038We wouldn't let them help because the goal is the supremacy of the white hegemony, and China is too strong for white comfort so they'd need to be destroyed even if they were white puppets. (the proof that they're good puppets would be agreeing to be destroyed. If they didn't agree to be destroyed then obviously they're not a good puppet so they would need to be destroyed for being belligerent.)
>>64971961The dude not only minimised european involvement in the USA's middle eastern excursions, said he didn't need the UK because the war was won, then flipflopped less than 3 days later begging for their help? Who does this?The Trump administration is a walking geopolitical blunder, it's astounding how dumb, that they think they can just shout and be loud at everyone, even allies that are known for being proud, requiring civility and decorum and get what they want from them and thus actively undermining their relationship with us.He is actively undermining US worldwide power dynamics in general, I don't understand it.>>64971992Nah, Israel wanted their pound of flesh, they recognised that Trump was about to become a lame duck presidemt due to midterms and wanted whatever they could get from him before he lost.
>>64974804Imagine how tired Marco Rubio is right now.
>>64974752I mean the only time bombing a nation to force regime change worked was Kosovo. Operation Allied Force took 78 days. Just started day 16 in Iran.
>>64974804Trump's a psychopath. Psychopaths aren't externally goal-oriented, they get something out of deceiving, bullying, and pushing around people. They're snakes in the grass of a civilized social system and they care nothing for the mental integrity of their fellow man. They will break all unspoken rules in order to twist the situation the way they want. Asking Trump to construct a rational plan to achieve an external goal is folly since that's just not what psychopaths do. They manipulate the social fabric, they don't build anything material.
>>64971875Are you a Jew by any chance, rabbi?
>>64970139>We are the strongest military ever! We have already won! USA, USA, USA!>Aaaahhh Europe, Xi, Takaichi save me!!!
>>64973170Reagan was actually involved in politics for decades prior to becoming president. He was president of the SAG in the 40s and governor of California in the 60s and 70s.Trump was just a TV star and twitter poster before he got elected.
>>64973979It's the opposite. If he wants to take Taiwan, he has to purge the political yes men who got their roles because they are safe. The Russian Armed Forces were stacked with generals like this, and look where it got them. Xi needs competent men in charge, even if it means purging his own political allies. It's a high risk play, since if things go pear shape there's more risk of PLA leaders from different factions/networks pushing for Xi to stand down.
>>64972210>RCS of a beeIt has RCS therefore it can be locked with enough skill under the right conditions.
>>64972989>>64972992These shills never engage in honest conversation. These two posts are a really good example of that.
>>64970038Chinese tankers are getting through, they have no reason to help the US out of the clusterfuck they got themselves into.
>>64975384So if the barely literate houthis could do it, China and Russia definitely can, rendering all talk of air dominance over those countries mere delusions.
>>64975426As someone having a great time watching Trump burn down the US with this retarded shit I feel the need to call you out for how retarded you are being.Imagine being able to lock a plane from 5km, yes it can be locked but it's such a short range it's near useless especially if they are dropping standoff munitions from 50km away.Now imagine being able to lock a plane from 500km away and engage it will outside the range of any standoff munitions it is carrying.The question isn't can or can't it be locked, that is a retarded discussion because EVERYTHING can be locked if it's close enough to the radar. The question is at what range can it be locked and is it further than the range of a HARMs.
>>64975436In any war between America and China/ Russia, the latter are going to destroy any airfields in their region that the US could be launching planes from the moment any of their forward radars are bombed by American standoff munitions. America won't be able to take down all or even most of their air defence networks like it has done with Iran.
>>64973972Man it'll be funny to watch both countries burn themselves down in pursuit of AI sloppa and fighting to secure the Taiwanese RAM. Skynet/AM didn't even need to show up to cause a mass extinction event
>>64975450I remember hearing the exact same thing about Iran destroying all airfields.
>>64975433I too would be mad if I were paid for engagement and did not recieve any.
>>64975471It's too late now for the Iranians, because the US moved most of its air assets away from the bases in the Gulf that Iran is currently hitting. But this analyst made the point that a few days before the American and Israeli attack, Iran could have preemptively hit the American build up in the gulf bases and Israel and Jordan, but for some reason Iran didn't. https://youtu.be/e5jv9pAo_oM?si=_EpHe7_9uey-oEhr&t=430In Russia's case, it developed the Oreshnik missile to be able to hit any airfield in the NATO frontline countries within the first few minutes of a war.
>>64975450The US and China aren't going to go to war for teh same reason the Us and USSR never went to war, there will be no winner.As for Russia they have proven themselves a complete joke and have fallen to Nork teir, have nukes so can't be attacked but have no conventional force projection at all.
>>64975433Clearly I was talking about you and your ilk. >Inb4 brown
>>64975450>RussiaRussia couldn’t even take out the all the Ukrainian airfields
>>64970038>Let's suppose the Chinese Navy agrees to help us out in our security operations in the Strait of Hormuz.That is never going to happen. Them chiners have a $400 billion dollar deal with Iranians. An iranian win means chiners will have an indirect seat at the victors table and the chance to impose conditions on the gulf arabs so that America can never return to the region as well as ending the oil dollar which would eventually mean America disappearing from the western pacific. Why do you people make these retarded threads? America is going to go around hustle up some allies to make a coalition of the willing to make an amphbious invasion of the iranian coast. Its going to take several months to get things set up. Its going to happen once Bibi gets Mossad to activate its sayanim network in Europe. Then all these euros who say no will flip 180 overnight.
>>64973606>with Cruz you Lose
If anyone is wondering why there's so much sperging over Trump requesting allied assistance over the closure of the Strait, there was a recent 13-0 vote by the UNSC to condemn Iran's actions, with 140 countries co-sponsoring the motion. Iran has also lost the international arena by reducing itself to a glorified pirate state to try to bait a US invasion. Its defeat is almost complete and total at this point.
>>64975686>Its defeat is almost complete and total at this pointThen why need for assistance? You guys said you got this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>64970139>MAGAs discovering why the old American way of power worked for decades
>>64975707Are these shitty quips going to stop the bombs from falling, make America not a next oil exporter, or undo the fact that Iran's strategy has only further isolated itself?
>>64975714Nope, carry on, in fact! This is your mess, clean it up :^)
>>64975686This. Iran has been defeated in our war^H^H^H^H^Hspecial military operation so thoroughly that we don't even need to be in the region anymore, all other countries (which make inferior potassium) will volunteer to step in to clean up our mess^H^H^H^H^Hpledge allegiance to the pax judaica
>>64975731You seem a bit upset
>>64970139Asking China for help is the most embarrassing thing about this.
>>64975686I still don’t understand why those retards thought bombing all their neighbors was a good idea
>>64975758It forces those neighbours to rethink having US bases on their territory, it's proved to them that those bases offer them no defence.
>>64975765But the bases obviously worked? We destroyed 100% of Iran's Military capability. Dubai needs to stop complaining, they hate us cuz they ain't us. Go USA!!!
>>64975758Their whole strategic calculus was to try to bait a US invasion and starve American military power by cutting off its oil. Apparently, they didn't consider that everyone knew this and we were able to come up with counters. They also failed to notice that the one thing the international community absolutely does not tolerate is piracy.
>>64970038The chinks were also supposed to help against the Houthis and just sat in Djibouti the entire fucking time
>>64970081>Ah yes, lets just start WW3 when we're ill-prepared to fight it and the US will just hand the DoD a blank check to kill Chinese for the next 500 years no matter where they liveDo it. Wish a motherfucker would frankly, when TSMC gets slagged it'll redraw the world market so that the US has the six biggest chip manufacturers and has the entire world's electronics industry by the balls. We already control most of the energy markets, too.
>>64974804He's not undermining anything, we're in our transition from Republic to Empire. Most countries will just get in line after a perfunctory amount of resistance but the countries that don't will simply be conquered, we don't have to make deals with their crooked politicians any longer.
>>64973484>But China can win big if they REPLACE the US as the superpower enforcing peace.They don't want that because they engage in plenty of international fuckery for their own benefit, nor are they interested in spending the amount of money that it would require.
>>64975758>I still don’t understand why those retards thoughtThey didn't
>>64970038Nobody will come to clean up someone elses mess. Americans (and Jews) started this mess, so the only responsible party is them.
>>64975884>we're in our transition from Republic to EmpireNo. What's happening is the US has transitioned away from subsidizing the post-WWII order, because it has ceased to sufficiently benefit from it.
>>64975913>the US has transitioned away from subsidizing the post-WWII order,So why did America attack Iran for Israel?
>>64975931because Trump is the only president that was willing to smack a "shittalking midget" that had it coming for decades but most presidents were too pussy about it. I am glad USA is not like eurocucks that send "letters of condemnation"
>>64975931Because Iran is a problem.
>>64975931>for Israelthirdie understanding of the world
>Let's suppose the Chinese Navy agrees to help us rorrmaoI wish the Chinks would just send Trump a copy of The Art of War (simplified edition). Although I'm not sure if it has a maxim saying "be sure NOT to insult and threaten all your (former) friends and partners and ruin your entire alliance before starting a war".
Apparently asking for help was all a test to see if other countires would come to the US's aid if the US was attacked and they all failed the test (???) according to POTUS in the latest press conference just a few minutes ago
>>64970038Our own allies are telling us to kick bricks, why would China help?
>>64976205No fucking way
>>64976051>>64976129>>64975956Because AIPAC and Mossad/Epstein told him too. stop raping kids schlomo
>>64976220China has more skin in the game. It's in their own self interest to open the straits. Except China will try to accomplish this via diplomatic channels and has no reason to sign onto Trump's military adventure. Especially not when China already had decent relations with the existing Irani regime and doesn't want the regime change that Trump had planned to take place.
>>64976246Century of Humilation.jpg
>>64975905But the mess is more of a problem from Europe and Asia than it is for America. Very little US shipping goes through the Strait of Hormuz, it's mostly shipping for countries that America does business with, so there is impact on America, it's just not critical compared to nations who need that waterway to engage in any meaningful trade or industry. Given that this crisis was caused by Trump's stupidity and Israel's hubris, you trust them to fix it? When it could have generational impact on the economies of many European countries?
>>64976234China is working with Iran on an agreement for their ships right now. They are never going to come help Trump with this.
>>64976264that won't really matter if blumpf chimps out and flattens kharg island
>>64976205Damm I can't believe all these countries fell for his ruse, will MAGA chads never stop winning?
>>64976226Yeah he spent a good amount of time bitching about the Bongs>They didn't send anything>We won the war already>But they should still send BOTH their aircraft carriers>The UK is no longer the US's #1 ally because of this>The US will remember how the UK abandoned them in their hour of need foreverI'm not shitting you
>>64973616I was just calling out your low-effort posturing.You are grossly exaggerating the importance of Taiwan for China, this is a childish superficial takes. The world map isn't a Risk game.Politic define who you have as allies, useful pawns, or as strong bystander encouraging you to ruin yourself.The US never gave Taiwan enough weapons to do more than defend themselves, they aren't even a forward base like Japan is, a billion time more important if you ever had to use military solution.The only threat Taiwan ever pose(d) to China is(was) political, as a proof the Chinese population could topple their cult and still prosper.>if China controlled Taiwan it would shift from a regional power in the Eastern Pacific to an entity capable of exerting its will over what is essentially America's backyardChina is already capable of that and exerting their will as much as the US do.So far they've been smarter at it than both Putin and Trump "3-day military operation".They are in fact, becoming more respectable to work with than Trump's US, especially since the Donald seem driven to lower the bar and burn his own backyard.If they were as dumb and greedy as Trump China would have had no trouble blockading the island economically years ago.>imagine if US or US-allied shipping in the Pacific ended up in a position where China could demand taxes or shipping-lane protection feesYou mean like the Trump administration dream to do? Ah!More seriously China already extended their military reach over the sea of China without caring about international laws.Again: China isn't stupid enough to make themselves look like an evil Hitler everyone should gang against. If they ever blockaded Taiwan, they'd find a way to make themselves look rightuous.Again: Taiwan is nothing more than a political/economical annoyance. Growing weaker even if China isn't doing so good recently.>>64973606>restrict China's accessAs if, see above.
>>64975471Iran doesn't have production capabilities that rival the US.Even if the US do have superior tech, the Chinese have numbers, and not the population Zerg rush.Given what the Ukraine war demonstrated, I can imagine China preparing to unleash swarm of biblical proportion.All other modern countries could do that of course, the EU could rival the US if the US didn't spend >70yrs encouraging them to rely on him and buy US weapons.But China have the economy and political will to do that without caring about their populations.
>>64975890>>64973610Maybe you two misunderstood what I meant by 'peace'I didn't meant it as a 'good guy' peace. Nor even 'extortion racket' Trump style.Just as a power protecting their own damn interest simply by being around, making hostile think twice about who they should get into trouble with.Terrorist attacking trade line? Not good for business, bomb them, look good.Rogue state causing problem for my competitors? Loom around only to tell them they should tone it down and be more subtle."No nation has friends only interests."
>>64975913Feels more like Trump can't see thr benefits because of his zero sum mindset. He sees money spent as money lost, not stability for more money to be made later bought.
>>64976407The American method of global dominance was spending for long term gains which is antithetical to the modern American mindset of infinite profit as quickly as possible.
>>64976451Not even remotely trueAlowing other nations to debate there currency creating defacto tarrifs sure didnt help us in the long run
>>64976220Japan gets most of its energy from America my thirdie friend
>>64975114>purge the only combat-veterans who made it up the chain of command>purge the yes-menPick one. Also, is the sticky just for show? I don't come here often.
Even more funny since even if America elects like 3-4 straight Democrat presidents all of America's allies will forever remember how Orange man treated them and will slowly wean off their MIC and "alliance".
>>64975686>13-0 vote by the UNSC to condemn IranMonke wouldn't even vote against it?
>>64975686>Used to bullshit being said all the time on 4chinz and online really>"No way. Russia and China seriously did not obstruct this?">The 15-member Council adopted resolution 2817 (2026) (to be issued as S/RES/2817(2026)) by a vote of 13 in favour to none against, with 2 abstentions (China, Russian Federation). lol, lmao. fucking holy shit they utterly BTFOed themselves with their mosaic shit
>>64977041As if we haven't debased our currency just as much as anyone else.
>>64975758that's their single smartest decision in this war. hitting the close regional allies of the US plays both tactically (there's enemy bases in there that are easy to hit) and strategically (those allies are very valuable politically and economically, hitting them hurts the US economy and maybe that will somehow trigger a detente or ceasefire), and ultimately the Iranians are engaging in minimal restraint at this point, they have to blow everything that can be blown up with little regard and cross every red line possible because not only the regime is in survival mode but also because they're in take down as many enemies with you mode. In the end, Israel, the main brain behind this war, was banking on this. Important regional US allies being hit delivers a roundhouse kick to US hegemony regionally and globally, Israel is the greedy squire that wants to kill the knight and take his stuff, it needs the US out of the picture in the region so it can take the reins and realize its greater Israel project.
