Royal Navy:>Royal Oak, Barham, Hood, Prince of Wales, RepulseKreigsmarine:>Graf Spee, Bismarck, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, Gneisenau Regia Marina:>Conte di Cavour, RomaIJN:>Hiei, Kirishima, Musashi, Yamashiro, Fuso, Kongo, YamatoAlone among all the major belligerents, the United States, was the only one not to have lost a battleship to enemy action. Not a single American battleship was lost throughout the entire war
USS Arizona/Thread
>>64971510Lost before the war started. Try again.
US is the only country to successfully pull off a battleship on battleship kill with the Washington vs the Kirishima thanks to the Admiral Lee, patron saint of naval gunnery. The Washington got within 7.7km of Kirishima and unleashed so much firepower in such a short amount of time it was almost questioned if this was accidental friendly fire. The naval engagements at Guadalcanal were brutal for all participants but Washington snuck in for one of the closest stone cold executions in naval history. Read more here: http://www.navweaps.com/index_lundgren/kirishimaDamageAnalysis.php
>>64971641Fuck you retard, it was 1941.
>>64971510And the Oklahoma
>>64971736That's great but I wanna fuck Wash's tits.
>>64971736My favorite part of Washington v. Kirishima is that after brutally hatefucking Kirishima, Washington just silently watched her spasm and twitch in the post-rape aftermath. I still wish the Japs had some actual balls and sent a Yamato in, because a treaty-era battleship wrecking the pride of Japan would have been peak comedy and may singlehandedly prevented weeaboos from becoming a thing
>>64971824The Japanese weren’t man enough to fully commit the yamato when they were fighting only a handful of escort destroyers and carriers, what makes you think they will dare go one on one against any battleship?
>>64971834That's why I put the phrase "I wish" in that sentence
>My battleship would beat up your battleship.Ignoring how ridiculous and circumstantial it is trying to rank ships against each other by 'killiness in general', a 1 on 1 engagement between a Washington Class and a Yamato Class would probably see the Yamato come out on top, going on commonly accepted mathematics.
>>64971774I think he was referring to how Japan's declaration was lost in transit before the attack on pearl harbor. So technically speaking if we use the actual time it was delivered, 2:20pm (D.C. time) and the time to Arizona was sunk, 1:36 pm, he isn't wrong, Retard.
>>64971883Kinda more embarassing to lose a battleship in peacetime, innit?
>>64971878>Washington classRegardless, it wouldn't have been a straight up fight, presuming that Washington got the drop on her. But Yamato is not going to enjoy 16" shellfire at point-blank range without having a spot on their assailant.
>>64971888I suppose a Brit would know. They lost a whole empire in peacetime.
>>64971897Yeah, sure would suck to be one I bet.Couldn't be me though.
>>64971899>innitTwo possibilities with you 1: you're an ignoramous brit liar2: you're not an ignoramous brit liar pretending to be an ignoramous brit
>>64971917Those are two possibilities, yes.
>>64971917It's always funny when some retard on an anonymous forum thinks they know exactly who they're talking to through extremely loose association
>>64971922>>64971945Also hilarious you double raged. That's solid evidence that....
>>64971955I just had to reply because I like reminding losers on this website how dumb they are. Do you have anything going for you besides your alleged skin color? Actual white people don't fixate on it like this btw
>>64971955I'm afraid not.I don't think you're retarded. It's all just banter.>>64971969Fuck this guy.
>>64971969I don't know. Being an emergency medicine practitioner who comes here for a laugh after 72 hours of actual horror might be a start. Laughing at stupid niggers raging is a pretty good way to wind down.
>>64971971This retard isn't gonna fuck you anon. Also if you weren't a newfag you would know how easy it is to fake that and wouldn't bother with a screencap
>>64971978Who's raging?
The Soviets and Chinese didn't lose battleships either and they played a bigger role than Italy.
>>64971891Apologies, been a long day.>But what if we snuck up on it.But what if it was the pre radar rangefinder version?The point of this sort of discussion is that it can get so particular, that you can basically just sort through all the different situations, to pick one to give you whatever outcome you want.You can say "A radar-equipped Washington fresh out of dock engages a hull-fouled Yamato at night, while it has engine troubles and the searchlights aren't working", while I can say "Both vessels meet each other at even steam during the day, neither has radar, and there are no supporting destroyers."The only real recognized metric for comparing symmetrical ranged combat of this sort however, that being the Lanchester equations, state the Yamato would win a 1v1.
>>64971736The rudder shot was just unnecessary lol
>>64971641pretty sure the war started when bombs started exploding dude
>>64972145He's just an autistic retard the USN was in open warfare with German U boats in the Atlantic well before Pearl Harbor
>>64971997Padding the death count is not a valuable contribution.
>>64971495Arizona and Oklahoma. And if you're counting Conte di Cavour as a kill, West Virginia and California qualify as well
>>64971997Marat was sunk by Stukas in Kronstadt
>>64972282She wasn't really sunk, just damaged.
>>64972018>Lanchester equationsI read that as Lancaster Equations and it took four google results before I even realised the error.
>>64972268Doesn't count because semantics or whatever
warship picture thread
>>64971510>>64971495Btfo by the first post, keeeek
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>>64971641Arizona was lost before 1937?
>>64971510>OP pic is of West Virginia burning at Pearl Harbor>filename is "ph"OP knows. You dipshits are posting in a troll/slide thread.
>>64971736Do it again Ching.
>>64972145Nah
>>64971798Would.
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>>64971897So did France, Portugal, Netherlands, Spain... What's your point? Also do NOT check who is Head of State of Canada, Belize, Jamaica etc.
80% of the arguing could be avoided if the wording was changed to only count those sunk where both parties were at sea engaged in combat which I think is more the point trying to be made.
>>64973032Royal Oak was sunk in Scapa Flow by a German Submarine, Conte di Cavour was sunk in port during the Taranto raid, and Tripitz was sunk in a Norwegian Fjord by RAF Bombers. Gneisenau was extensively damaged in port and while not directly sunk by enemy action the ship was so damaged that repair work was never completed during the war.
>>64972408Kek, based rules for thee but nor for me enjoyer.
>>64971736>>64971736>US is the only country to successfully pull off a battleship on battleship killWhat is Hood vs. Bismarck, what is Scharnhorsts last battle?
>>64973188you do NOT have 342 Hiei images.
>>64972018The circumstances which I have always (as this is not the first time I've had this discussion) speculated upon was simply the 2nd Battle of Guadalcanal but with a Yamato in place of Kirishima. Otherwise I'm perfectly content to say that Washington wouldn't have great odds against a battleship twice her displacement, sure.
>>64973188>HMS Hood was a battlecruiser>Duke of York didnt solo ScharnhorstYou can argue the Dakota tanked Kirishima and let Washington slip in undetected but IIRC 100% of the damage to Kirishima was done by Washington alone.
>>64973653>>64973188Kongou class belt armor at its thickest was thinner than Hood's with the former being slightly faster in 40s~ configurations, though I guess this is an instance where the Battlecruiser vs Battleship distinction breaks down. In any case 8 inch or 12 inch belt armor wasn't going to help against multiple 16 inch gun hits at such a close range.
This newspaper from 1912 refers to Kirishima as a "高速戦艦" (Fast Battleship) so even early on there doesn't seem to have been much care made about exact classification, even if the Kongous had a different place in IJN doctrine compared to the line Battleships like Nagato.
>>64973782Why doesn't the 三 in 三菱造船所 have ruby?
>>64973755Oh I'm not the one arguing about Washington vs Yamato I'm barely even a naval guy the ocean kinda terrifies me after seeing Deep Blue Sea at too young an age and the part where the shark pushes the guy out of the blackness against the giant window permanently fucked me lmao. I just like Admiral Lee & Hornfischer's books are fantastic. Especially the section with the Atlanta & the Japanese ship at 600m where it is literally a Mexican Standoff and then the gunnery officer countermands the Captain's counterillumination order with "FUCK THAT OPEN FIRE"
>>64971736>US is the only country to successfully pull off a battleship on battleship kill with the Washington vs the KirishimaEven after their refits Kongous really weren't battleships. Hell, even Renown had a thicker main belt than them.
>>64971736>KirishimaBattlecruiser not a battleship.
>>64973904Look it's already bad enough that heavy cruisers and battlecruisers and the like get endless debates over whether or not they are actually battleships, but once we start debating if the things they explicitly called battleships are in fact not battleships I think we will be stuck with a list of: Yamato, Iowa Class, Nelson class through Vanguard, and the Bismarck (probably some Italian ones too. They look nice but fuck if I can name ships off the top of my head)
>>64973919There is basically no metric in which you can call the Kongou's a battleship outside of "it's what Japan called them (after being retrofitted)". They were designed as, operated as, and fulfilled the doctrinal role of a battlecruiser in the IJN.
>>64973782On official classifications: This table from November 1926 (book published 1940) states the Kongous were classified as 巡洋戦艦 (Battlecruiser, more literally Cruiser Battleship)...
>>64971978>Being an emergency medicine practitioneI am so sorry. You get pain peanuts while literally doing back-braking work. You're also of a lower caste than Fire or PD. Get out while you still can..t former.
>>64973928While this part from the same book is referring to the Kongous collectively as 戦艦 (Senkan, Battleship) in December 1932, except for Hiei which became a training Battleship.
>>64972809SoDak a shit.
>>64973919>BismarckBattleshits don’t count.
>>64973956You're supposed to call her Shitty Dick, Washington.
>>64971510fpbp
>>64971736Kirishima was scuttled, not sunk.Her officers said she was not in a sinking condition after the battle, even if her systems were heavily damaged. They scuttled her because recovery was impossible in enemy waters.Bismarck killing Hood is an example of an actual, clean-cut Battleship kill.
>>64973928巡洋戦艦(じゅんようせんかん, Junyosenkank)"Patrol Battleship" Removing two characters leaves you with Senkan. At the end, a 'patrol battlship' or 'cruiser battleship' is a battleship.
>>64971495>Graf SpeeDoesn't belong in that list>>64972431Oh go on then
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>>64971510Scuttled by the crew
>>64975348love these of large warships in ancient harbors
>>64976895You and me both
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>>64971824>Treaty battleship vs YamatoJust leave her to me!
>>64975133That was discussed in the link.
Team Wahoo though
Sure is a lot of battleship yuri in this thread?
>>64979345"[not enough] battleship yuri in this thread"I think you meant to say this, mon ami
>>64979284...it would be a shame if someone drops a depth charge on her. Or over 100 of them.
>>64979850wtf
>>64979284Wahoo III soon fellow submariners
>>64980574Wahoo!!!I got a book about Wahoo signed by Dick O'Kane that I found in a book store.
>>64979284>>64980093I want to bing bing the Wahoo
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>>64979006Yes I read it, it tries to argue that it sank suddenly by hypothesizing that a scuttling operation like Kirishima's was an outlier or something unusual, which it wasn't, there's countless instances of Japanese ships being scuttled in a hurry. This photo of Zuikaku is one of the most famous of WW2, it's sinking and the entire crew is on deck saluting the lowering of the flag instead of evacuating. Hiryu's scuttling is famous for its captain choosing to go down with the ship, along with many crews who stayed onboard the ship as the escorts departed, it's not highly unlikely that Kirishima's captain gave the order to scuttle the ship too soon.
>>64981579Zuikaku wasn't a scuttle and the Hiryu was scuttled by torpedo after the evacuation was thought to have finished. Neither were like what was described. >Captain Iwabuchi may not have communicated his order to flood the port engine room to others and maybe in particular to the two destroyers along side... With two of the Emperor's destroyers alongside and in the vary process of accepting his crew, it would be a incomprehensible act to give orders to purposely sink the ship and threaten the lives not only of his own crew but also the two destroyers and their crews. There is no real evidence of any scuttling order, just an attempt at counter flooding on a ship with a negative GM which Iwabuchi did not understand at the time.
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>>64982770>There is no real evidence of any scuttling order, just an attempt at counter flooding on a ship with a negative GM which Iwabuchi did not understand at the timeThat's a bold and wrong claim, there is an interrogation with Lieutcdr. Horishi Tokuno Kirishima's assistant gunnery officer by USSBS.>Q. Did the Kirishima sink as a result of the gunfire?>A. No. Shortly after the American ships opened fire the steering of the Kirishima was so badly damaged that we were unable to steer or repair it. We kept turning in a circle but couldn't get away. We slowed down to try to steer with the engines but it was no use. Our engines were not badly damaged, but we were receiving many hits from the Washington. Then the Captain decided that since we couldn't steer and the engines were damaged that it would be better to scuttle the ship. He then gave the order to open the Kingston valves. We did not receive any torpedo hits.>Q. How long did the ship remain afloat after receiving the first hit?>A. It took about two and one-half hours to sink. Destroyers came alongside and took off about one quarter of the men. The rest of the men jumped over the side and were later picked up by destroyers. We had about 1400 men on board and lost about 250. I stepped from the Kirishima to a destroyer and did not even get wet.>Q. How do you know that the ship was not sunk by shell fire?>A. I heard the Captain give the order to scuttle the ship. Later; on the destroyer, one of the engineers told me that they had opened the Kingston valves. The Captain was also informed that the valves had been opened before he transferred to a destroyer.
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>>64981579>it tries to argue that it sank suddenly by hypothesizing that a scuttling operation like Kirishima's was an outlier or something unusualYou happen to leave out the fairly detailed analysis of where hits had been scored and what the construction of the ship would have meant for its waterproofing.>>64982853The testimony of a single assistant gunnery officer, when it conflicts with other more senior officers claims about the orders they were issuing and is largely inconsistent with what would be expected of a scuttling should not be given priority. It's just as likely that he was simply mistaken or misunderstood what was happening in the chaos
>>64971736This article is worthwhile, however the author wrote a follow-up article in 2022 based on new dive footagehttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiujLD7na2TAxXo48kDHU8fI6IQFnoECDEQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.navweaps.com%2Findex_lundgren%2FKirishima_Wreck_Analysis.pdf&usg=>tl;dr version: the damage is even worse than previously believed, her prop seals were likely ruptured and she took 16" gunfire to both port and starboard
>>64988311Man AL is only good as a hentai franchise At least St. Louis is hot
>>64988904you just aren't tistic enough to appreciate it without cooming
>>64988311>Graf Spee scuttled themself rather than been forced to play dressup with Exeter, Achilles and Ajax
>>64989080yea I'm fine with that
Which USS Indianapolis movie did you prefer? The one with Stacey Keach or Nicolas Cage?
>>64994620Jaws
>>64985585>>64987689Malta warship pics are kino, have a bunch of them on another machine
>>64978770Superb
>>64971495>>64971510OP absolutely REKT
>>64971824>>64971834Japan did not have enough fuel to send Yamato to Guadalcanal.
>>64971495Hood and Repulse were battlecruisers, not battleships.
