I picked up this gun the other day and it's fucking crazy accurate. Like 1.5" groups at 25 yards offhand. In 300 rounds I only had 3 malfunctions, one failure to feed in the first magazine (break in period) and 2 bad primers, all cleared instantly by just racking the slide. This gun is doing 1400 fps with 40 grain due to the 5" threaded barrel and polygonal rifling and has energy similar to 380ACP but with better penetration. 22WMR ammo is 3X lighter than 9mm and I can carry a lifetime supply in a daypack. I haven't been this instantly infatuated with a gun in a long time. It's certainly not an ideal concealed carry weapon, but for an all-purpose survival and bugout gun it's hard to imagine anything better.
>>64976313The bad primers are the reason the answer is “no” unfortunately.
>>64976313It's a great pistol and changed my mind completely on Umarex.
>>64976338There's people out there still saying revolvers are adequate for self defense. This pistol could be 10X as unreliable and I would still be putting more lead down range than any revolver. Having to possibly rack the slide every hundred rounds or so when you get a click is not really the end of the world to me. And there's better 22WMR ammo out there designed for self defense that probably doesn't have the primer issues.
>>64976313I wish .22 wrf were more common, having a .22lr tier bullet as well as .22 wmr in the same gun without a heeled projectile is cool, can have a proper jacket on it too
>>64976360>having to rack the slide when you get a click isn't the end of the world for meit hasn't been yet, no.
>>64976363I've never seen a single box of that in my entire life. I've only heard it mentioned on boomer sites like THR.
>>64976313Are there any da/sa .22 wmr autoloaders? I know theres a few internal hammer ones but i want a proper da/sa
>>649763135.7x28 is better in every single way except for cost. Though neither ammo is technically "common" so I dont think id choose either for a survival or bug out gun. You basically have a gun you can hardly get ammo for in an apocalypse.
>>64976400Also you cant reload .22 mag so once you've shot it, thats it. At least with centerfire cartridges you could reload them and reuse the brass which would be very valuable in a world where ammo is scarce.
>>64976402>you cant reload .22 wmrYes you can tard nigga
>>64976378No. There's only the WMP, PMR30, S&W M&P with the rotary barrel thing (not as accurate as a fixed barrel), and an RIA 1911 that is apparently not reliable. I think those are the only 22WMR autoloaders on the market. Other than that you just have revolvers, and it's always either stupidly heavy steel framed revolvers or itty bitty pocket revolvers, no sensibly designed accurate full sized revolvers with modern materials to reduce weight. The WMP is probably the best 22WMR handgun overall right now. The barrel is completely rigid in battery and the accuracy is almost on par with something like a Browning Buckmark, the reliability is better than most rimfires overall and the design precludes the possibility of a rimlock malfunction, it's very lightweight, optics and light/laser ready, and it gives you better velocity and energy than the competition due to the barrel length and rifling. 22WMR is extremely sensitive to barrel length and cylinder gap, so most other options are giving you worse velocity. The 6.5" Ruger revolver is barely matching this gun but has much longer OAL.
>>64976313>Is 22WMR the future?No. Don't get me wrong, it's a good round in a good gun, but ever since 5.7 got more pistols chambered in it, almost no one cares about the .22 Magnum pistols (unfortunately).>>64976363>I wish .22 wrf were more commonDidn't Winchester give up on trying to market that cartridge when they invented the .21 Sharp in 2024?>>64976400>>64976402As someone who understands that 5.7 is (and likely always will be) more popular, can I just state that I'm not impressed with 5.7 performance in pistols? The round functions extremely well out of a 10.3" barrel; the P90 is great, but on pistols I just think too much power is lost. I am infatuated with velocity.
>>649764005.7 is significantly heavier. It's roughly half the weight of 9mm, whereas 22WMR is exactly 3X lighter than 9mm 115 grain. 5.7 is also louder, it's ammunition is much rarer, and it's probably not as accurate due to not using fixed barrel designs. So it's not better in every way. And cost matters a lot.
>>64976402There won't be any reloading in a SHTF world. There won't be any supply chains for bullets, primers, powder, and press components.
>>64976415Just because its technically possible with enough time and effort does not mean you can do it during the end of the world. No fucking body reloads .22 mag and you fucking know that. Good luck getting started after the world ends. Its just not reasonable to think you will be able to reload rimfire when no one even does it now.
>>64976427There would be some reloading, those reloading materials dont just vanish because the worlds ends, they're sitting in some guys workshop or house all over the nation. If you saved brass, you'd almost certainly happen upon reloading supplies and be able to make at least some ammo. Rimfire would certainly be out of the question because no one reloads that and you would not have the tools or raw primer compound to do it. But it is feasible for 9mm certainly.
>>64976432If you keep telling yourself things are impossible when you really just mean somewhat tedious then youll only ever do the easiest things in life
>>64976425Cost is irrelevant during SHTF. I spent $500 on a small lot of real FN AP ammo for my PS90 , being prepared means not being a cheap ass.
>>64976439Ok, go ahead and reload .22 mag, we're waiting. Oh wait, you cant even get ahold of the primer compound... With enough time and money anything is possible, but we live in reality and reloading .22 mag after the world ends simply isnt realistic. The time and energy spent trying to accomplish that would be much better spent doing something more productive.
>>64976360I’m not sure about that, anon. A gun going *click* is literally the worst case scenario, and unfortunately rimfire cartridges do that far more often than most experienced people are willing to accept.Also 5.7x28 is right there for people who want something similar yet outright superior.
>>64976444>google rimfire priming compound>immediately found cheap readily available priming compound with a long shelf life>also found formulas to make your own for even cheaperYou live online yet dont even know how to use le internet, curious why youre so determined to dictate how the world is>after the world endsOh youre just a retard, carry on then 2 more weeks im sure
>>64976441>PS90NTA, but did you SBR it, or are you planning on using its gratuitously long 16" barrel?
>>64976437You don't need to reload rimfire ammo because it's cheap and weighs nothing and you can stockpile it and carry lots of it and find other stockpiles of it in rural people's closets.
>>64976441I could get multiple times as much 22WMR ammo for the same price.
>>64976452A gun going click after already shooting the bad guy 50 times and being back in action instantly with a smooth macro-muscle action that is even easier than reloading the magazine is not a big deal to me.
>>64976500Yeah I get that, but other people care about things like unreliability immensely, so that’s why, despite your love of the round, they will never be a mega popular self defense option.Other people have to buy into it too for it to be “the future”.
>>64976515I just used that title to make people look at my thread. 22WMR is only the possible "future" of my personal SHTF backpacking greyman bushwhacker squirrel poaching weaponry, possibly replacing my Glock 34 MOS. It's certainly not a competitive concealed carry option.
>>64976400>You basically have a gun you can hardly get ammo for in an apocalypse.Plenty of people carry at least one gun like that around in their inventory in Fallout games, if we're talking fictional scenarios.
>>64976529In real life even 24 ounces is a very tangible increase to your equipment weight that needs to be justified.
>>64976527Making a deceptive title is a shitty thing to do.
>>64976543I'm a shitty person
>>64976546Clearly. I’d recommend you stop being shitty.
>>64976437>If you saved brass, you'd almost certainly happen upon reloading supplies and be able to make at least some ammo.You'd also happen upon anon's lifetime supply of .22 in a daypack.
>>64976360Revolvers are adequate for self-defense tho.
>>64976872I wasn't saying they're not. I was saying that if a weapon which consistently "jams" every 5-7 rounds and requires a very meticulous fine motor skill action to reload is adequate, then a weapon which holds 15 rounds and might require the user to merely rack the slide every hundred rounds is certainly adequate too.
>>64976313What state do you live in where .22 WMR is adequate for defense against dangerous wildlife? I think being able to at least reliably penetrate the skull of a bear or something is an important requirement of a survival gun
>>64976910I literally said in my first post that 22WMR can penetrate the skulls of bears. Easily in fact.
I don't understand the point of .22WMR. .22LR makes sense. It's cheap and its low power makes it ideal for plinking or hunting small game while causing minimal meat or pelt damage. It's good for pest control for the same reason--the low power minimizes risk of overpenetration or a miss. Sometimes you want more power than 22. This is totally logical. But why stop at .22 WMR? It's much weaker than various alternatives, it still has the inherent reliability concerns of rimfire, and it's not super cheap either.
>>64976992Ammunition weight, muzzle blast, deflection/ricochet resistance, low bullet weight for safely taking high angle shots or shots into trees, and it's still the second cheapest ammunition you can buy tied with 9mm.
>>64977017>Ammunition weightIf ammo weight honestly matters then .22LR is likely a better choice.> muzzle blastIt has worse muzzle blast than many other rounds out of handgun length barrels.>deflection/ricochet resistancenot compared to frangible ammo in other calibers>low bullet weight for safely taking high angle shots or shots into treesThat's one hell of a niche. How often are you doing this?>and it's still the second cheapest ammunition you can buy tied with 9mmIt's more expensive than 9mm, yet worse.
>>64977035>If ammo weight honestly matters then .22LR is likely a better choice.22WMR is only slightly heavier at .143 ounces per round vs .116 for 22LR but significantly better performance.>It has worse muzzle blast than many other rounds out of handgun length barrels.No, it's slightly less than 9mm. The main issue is flash. That's why I got a threaded barrel, a short linear comp eliminates the flash and reduces muzzle blast even further, enough for regular training with only silicone plugs. It's only "loud" compared to 22LR.>not compared to frangible ammo in other calibersSure, you can order fancy ammo for other calibers to get a desired result.>That's one hell of a niche. How often are you doing this?Have you ever been out in the woods a single time? Most of your shots at small game are in trees or on rock walls or up hills or in other sketchy situations where you can't just be blasting 200 grains of lead with 1000 fpe in random directions.>It's more expensive than 9mm, yet worse.Yes, but I can carry 3X as much of it and shoot it twice as accurately.
>>649763135.7 is the future
>>64977198I think what's going to hold the 5.7 back is that the cartridge is so long that it requires a grip that is too large for some people's hands, and it doesn't perform well in short barrels, so it doesn't have the versatility of 9mm in terms of being suitable for both full size duty guns and small CCW. Otherwise I think it's a very interesting cartridge, if for no other reason than it's half the weight of 9mm and I've seen it perform well on hogs. Extremely efficient.
>>64976360>There's people out there still saying revolvers are adequate for self defense.It's a true statement, so your insinuation only shows you're a mental midget.
>>64977241none of the guns in that pic have the cartridge in the grip though.
ITT: OP got scammed into buying a bunch of 22WMR, realized his fuck up, and is for some odd reason trying his best to justify it to himself by posting on /k/
>>64977284Reading comprehension fail. I wasn't saying revolvers are not adequate. My point was that if a weapon is adequate which requires meticulous fine motor skills to keep in battery every 5-7 rounds, then a gun is certainly adequate which merely requires a slide rack every 100 rounds or so.
>>64977285The only reason 5.7 isn't a completely dead cartridge is that it's chambered in pistols.
