Only in late 1944 that production of plutonium start and by July, Los Alamos already had enough for 2 nukes. And Uranium enrichment start in late 1943 with k-25 plant only go online in early 1945. In comparison, in 40 years, Iran didn`t even manage to produce a single nuke.
>>64976964Yes, countries that aren't attempting to make nuclear weapons often take a very long time to make them
Even with modern simulation softwares and vast access to literature, Iran still don`t know how to build a implosion device either with explosive lens, air lens or Multipoint tile.
>>64976978this
>>64976978lol they've been trying. Just 1. No one is helping them. 2. They're heavily under sanctions and 3. They are constantly getting screwed with.
>>64977064As of March 2026, U.S. intelligence assesses that Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon and has not resumed its, pre-2003 weaponization program.
>>64977084>they were just enriching for funsiesEnriching isn't creating a nuclear bomb, so what you said is not technically true. It's part of the process though. What civilian usage is their enriched uranium?
>>64977096>What civilian usage is their enriched uranium?What military usage is their enriched uranium?
>>6497697you are ok with threats from a determined and self acclaimed enemy?
>>64977064No, Iran hasn't taken the steps to get a nuclear weapon. They even had a religious fatwa against it. They enriched uranium, but had plenty of opportunities to get a bomb, and did not take those opportunities.
>>64976964America had the output of Shinkolobwe, an almost miraculous deposit of high-purity Uranium. The entire output of the mine had been transported to the US from the Belgian Congo before the war as a precaution.
>>64976964It probably doesn’t help that that Iran had Israeli glowies killing their scientists or framing their scientists as spies.
>>64977110>What military usage is their enriched uranium?If processed a little further, a nuclear weapon. Which is ridiculously easy to build.
>>64977468>Which is ridiculously easy to build.yeah, easy like your momtell her to wash up, i might stop by tonight
>>64977096>>64977110Funny enough Iran is one of the largest sponsors of civilians who take military actions.
>>64977150>60% enrichment>no steps taken towards a nuclear weaponChoose one, and only one. Actually I suppose that you could make the argument that they're making HEU as fuel for high energy density reactors. If this was the case though, they would have, you know, built a reactor to run on it, or even expressed an interest in doing so. I wouldn't expect someone without any knowledge of the situation to know this, but that sure as hell doesn't stop them from having strong opinions on the issue, does it?>but iran saidI don't care what a bunch of lying camel fuckers said. There are exactly two legitimate purposes for uranium enriched beyond 20% or so. One of them is something that Iran has expressed interest in. The other one is something that Iran has never mentioned. People in the trade already know what that uranium is for.>religious fatwaCan be issued at any time, for any reason, including canceling an earlier one. Only a midwit or a Muslim would think of this as evidence of motives.
>>64976978TRVTH NVKE
>>64977110To make a bomb, retard>>64977468Actually they can already build one, just an inefficient, lower yield oneMatt Caplan gave out the numbers. A teu-container-sized bomb using 60%-HEU might yield 2 or 3kt
>>64977672>Choose one, and only onePrecisely>fuel for high energy density reactorsEven so they still don't need any fuel >20% purityThere's just no civilian reason to get 60% pure HEU whatsoever
>>64977696>To make a bomb, retardAs of March 2026, U.S. intelligence assesses that Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon and has not resumed its, pre-2003 weaponization program.
>>64977737>I'm not building a bomb I'm only gathering the materials to build it
>>6497774833 years of this shit
>>64977748If having the materials is all it takes, when are we bombing Japan?
>>64977894>If having the materials is all it takes, when are we bombing Japan?They arent threatening anyone with nuclear holocaust. Nor are they arming and funding proxies that directly attack us. Nor did they blow up ~200 Marines or hold our Diplomatic staff hostage. Thats fucking why.
>>64976964Yeah, those fuckers are all dead.
>>64977904These shills are getting retarded.
>>64977894Nice try, but Japan doesn't have 60% enriched uranium, faggot>>64977795>33 years of Iran gathering the knowledge and materials to build nukes and finally they have all they need, if not already a nukeYesBenny was right all alongSeethe and cope
>>64977894Once was enough. They learned their lesson.
>>64977904Iran isn't threatening anybody with a nuclear holocaust either. Hey, we let NK get away with it, who are far more of a rogue state.>>64978009They have many tons of plutonium, faggot. Just because HEU bombs are the meta doesn't mean a plutonium bomb is some joke. And if you think it's somehow an engineering challenge for Japan to spin up HEU you're an idiot.
>>64977904>Nor are they arming and funding proxies that directly attack us.Where are these proxies directly attacking the United States? In your mind?
>>64978079Norks are likable asian commies. Nobody minds them. Iran is smug, arrogant, and they have an unpleasant religion.
>>64978079>Hey, we let NK get away with it, who are far more of a rogue state.They stay in their lane.
>>64978079>They have many tons of plutonium9 tons at last count and all under IAEA monitoring, faggot>spin up HEUThe point is they haven't, cocksocketSo suck my dick like your daddy did
>>64978079>China let NK get away with it so we must let Iran get away with itLol no
>>64978266>IAEA montoringLike Iran was submitting to until Donny tore up our agreements with Iran?You get the point? If you come to the negotiating table in good faith, submit to concessions, and then have them flip the table for doing what they said, then what's the value of these verifications? Going along with it brings no benefits and there's no gain from being truthful.I'm sure you're proud of your imagined homosexual conquests but let's keep those off the blue boards.
>2003Guys we swear this brown nation full of oil has WMDs>2026Guys we swear this brown nation full of oil has WMDs
>>64976978Khomeini being a moralfag and issuing a fatwah against nuclear weapons directly led to his death
No one has been able to expmain to me what the fuck the Iranian negotiators could have possibly been thinking when they strolled into talks with the US and basically went>We will have enough material for 11 bombs within a week>No, we're not surrendering the material>No, we're not going to stop enriching itWhat the fuck did they mean by this?
>>64978330>will have enough material for 11 bombs within a weekCOULD have enough, not WILL have enoughand material for bombs is not the same as having bombs
>>64978325>If you come to the negotiating table in good faithBut they didn't. They only offered crumbs and refused to discuss their ballistic missiles.
>>64977096>What civilian usage is their enriched uranium?Enriched uranium is (necessarily) used to make the isotopes required for medical imaging
>>64978341Were those ballistic missiles threatening the US homeland?
>>64978341>refused to discuss their ballistic missiles.It's almost as if outrageous disarmament demands are cynically used as pretext for war anon
>>64978343Yes (Israel)
>>64976978>Nuclear edging doesn't count>We'll shout and scream about how we want to nuke you and everyone else>Trust us we're not trying to get nukes>We're not retarded we swear
>>64977904>arent threatening anyone with nuclear holocaust.Samson Option
>>64978330They probably intended to string along the Americans. They probably assessed the U.S. wasn't ready to strike so soon (as evidenced by the fact top leaders were still meeting) and said what they said to keep negotiations moving. While it sounds blatantly aggressive, it also acknowledges a potential bargaining chip in the form of enriched uranium. The Iranains might have intended for the Americans to read between the lines. However, they miscalculated, because by that point Trump was looking for reasons to strike not keep negotiating.
>>64978325Browns do nothing in good faith. They are motivated by three moods: bravado, fear, and greed.
>>64977064and 3 their scientists and infrastructure were under constant attack while trying to make them.
>>64977096>they were just enriching for funsiesYour pedo lords don't want you to know this, but uranium breeders are a dual use infrastructure.>>64977698>There's just no civilian reason to get 60% pure HEU whatsoeverIsrael's retarded golem fears nothing but the light of atomics, I understand.
>>64976964>Only in late 1944 that production of plutonium start and by July, Los Alamos already had enough for 2 nukes. And Uranium enrichment start in late 1943 with k-25 plant only go online in early 1945.I
>64983074>uranium breedersEven the trolling on /k/ is shit these days.
>>64978079>>64978248Shouting 'we will destroy you if you attack us but we want co existance' like the Norks is not the same as screaming 'we will destroy you all even at the cost of our own existance' like Iran. One is the statement of a rational actor that can be reasoned with; the other is the raving of a rabid animal.
>>64978342>Enriched uranium is (necessarily) used to make the isotopes required for medical imagingWhile this is true, the industrial footprint needed to provide medical isotopes for a nation is miniscule. A few university teaching reactors that aren't even hooked up to produce any power have all your needs covered.Once you start setting up centrifuge farms you're no longer looking at medical applications.
>>64978096Because they are antithetical to western values and wish to end our systems
>>64985934The two aren't even remotely connected either. Dozens of nations have small research reactors like that that make medical isotopes, they have nothing to do with fuel or weapons production. The DPRK had those for decades and they had no bearing on their weapons program, that didn't start until they reverse designed a UK dual use reactor starting from a poster they saw at a convention of all things.
>>64976964Your comparison is what people can say as being apples to oranges as America wanted to have nuclear weapon unlike Iran with religious proclamation against such, I am unsure if you have intellectual disability or are simply ignorant or even worse being disingenuous to degree of a Zionist / Jewish Supremacist / "Israeli".>>64985934There are other military applications when enriching uranium such as depleted uranium to have for armor piercing projectiles and warheads along vehicle armor, in addition can be used as ballast such as for aircrafts.>>64978079North Korea is opponent no one could go unscathed against even at its lowest point in mid 1990's to early 2000's, let alone nowadays even if they were to not use nuclear weapons.>>64978248They do not as they have joint research and development with Iran such as missiles and space launch vehicles using liquid fuel engines, for example Khorramshahr that pelting Tel Aviv with 80 submunitions.
>>64981684I don't think you understand how big of a watershed moment that was. Iran spent DECADES adamantly and vehemently denying that it had any interest in a nuclear weapon whatsoever. This was foundational to their foreign policy, to deny deny deny at every turn. Fordow was built 250 feet underground because they were afraid of the US bombing it on general principle. Whatever enrichment level they went to was fine, because they're not doing anything with it. The '03 project documents were all fake and gay Zionist bullshit. And when the US finally went "okay, this is really starting to look like a nuclear weapons program, I'm going to demonstrate that I can do whatever the fuck I want to your country, just to drive the point home that we need to fucking talk about this", how did they respond?>"We can still make like a dozen bombs anyway, you can't fucking stop us"That's not miscalculation, that's a mask off moment. And that's not just the negotiation team, Ali said the same at the weekly Death to Israel Death to America sermon, despite his fatwah against nukes. Basically overnight, the Iranian State machine gave up on pretending and just said outright that turning that material into weapons was an active consideration.I don't think that was going to be lost on them; for all of Iran's questionable high-level value judgements about internal and foreign policy, they are rarely outright inept at planning their wars. They wouldn't have lasted this long if they weren't *generally* good at staying just below the "get obliterated by the US" threshold. So, I will entertain the opposite position, that they intended to force the issue early, because it would give them more time to fuck with the Hormuz before everything got in position. And doing it via a borderline ultimatum instead of shooting first gave them room to play the victim, because nobody pays attention to negotiations beyond "they are happening". So good play if true, still won't save them.
>>64986075>They do not as they have joint research and development with Iran such as missiles and space launch vehicles using liquid fuel engines, for example Khorramshahr that pelting Tel Aviv with 80 submunitions.That is just transactional not ideological. I cannot think of any two nations that for ideological and religious reasons should hate each other more than Iran and the DPRK, from a Islamic viewpoint the DPRK is an abomination. They work very hard to igonore their obvious ideological incompatability. High level meetings must be a bit surreal as all these super conservative Muslim fanatics are all trying to ignore the fact that these very important Asian chicks talking to them are in heels, skirts and suit jackets.>Be Ayatollah>Do big speech about modesty>Next up is diplomacy>Pic related walks in, cameras are setting up for the photos>Your entire entourage face plalms
>>64976964>by July, Los Alamos already had enough for 2 nukes.Three. They left one in the lab for the idiots to play with.
I have yet to hear one (1) logical reason why Iran can't have nukes but Israel and Pakistan can.
>>64987287Because Israel and Pakistan have them to prevent others from using them on them and to ensure the existance of their states. Iran regularly threatens to destroy other nations even at the cost of their own existance.
>>64977110>>64976978Anyone consider they were aiming for turnkey capabilities ala Japan? If they ever actually built it, the Americans and jews would do… well exactly what they’re doing now. So maybe the logic was to build just below the completed warhead threshold, and then forever hold that as a (politically and technically) sub critical deterrent.Enriching most of the way to a weapon makes no economic sense for civilian purposes. But makes a lot of sense as a “pushing it as far as I think I can without getting Iraqi Freedomed”
>>64987321>israel gets the bomb in the 60's>then confidently launches the six-day war>occupies the rest of Palestine, Golan heights and the Sinai>no arab nation was even near getting the bomb, even to this day>and Iran was a good ally of Israel at the timebut yeah it surely was for the fear they would get nuked by someone, somehow, or to "ensure the existance[sic] of their states" KEK
>>64986272This kind of belief you have about relationship between Iran and DPRK is only possible out of utter ignorance along intellectual disability.There is ideological commonality such as both have USA as their enemy and largest threat to their existence along another factor both have interest in self reliance whenever such is plausible.
>>64987499Trip on
>>64988046Your Norktard detection skills need work my ninja, that wasn't me it was someone responding to me.-5 Songbun and 12 hours correctional Soduku, this weeks pickled fish ration is halved.
>>64985934>industrial footprint needed to provide medical isotopes for a nation is miniscule.I'm not so sure this is the case, most countries import these resources and the Iranians have been restricted from any such imports for a long time, to the point where producing enough to export was clearly a goal. Iranian education is by far the best in the region (strange seeing these dead commanders with physics and philosophy degrees) so it's not surprising there would be a lot of interest in all things nuclear.
>>64987321>Iran regularly threatens to destroy other nations even at the cost of their own existance.No they don't?
>>64988092Small reactors and cyclotrons for nuclear medicine and/or education are pretty simple, even nations like Ghana have them. Under the atoms for peace program the US handed them out to over 3 dozen nations and the USSR did the same. Small universities like the Untiversity of Rhode Island host them on a fairly regular basis.
>>64987287Because at the end of the day, it really is as simple as "they are smelly brown retards and nobody likes them". They have spent 45 fucking years shitting up the region for everyone around them and nobody even wants to contemplate the shit they'd get up to with a nuke.>but Israel bombs-Iran's little goblins. That's why nobody else gives a fuck, because all those little shithead groups are just as much of a pain in the ass for them as for Israel. The rest of the Gulf has chilled the fuck out, they are happy to just kick back and make their oil money hand over fist. And that makes them just as much an enemy to Iran as the Jews, because how dare they not be as insane as Iran, they must be punished. Iran is Shiite ISIS with a tax base, in that they see in themselves the same sacred duty to make the rest of the Muslim world as stupid as they are, and naturally people tend to disagree with that assessment.
>>64988768These is also an often overlooked factor: The majority of people in the Middle East hate Palestinians and quietly wish Israel would exterminate them.
>>64977904>USS Liberty >Lavon Affair >AIPAC You're right we should nuke Israel >>64978338>>64978330>Trusting Jared Kushner
>>64988921The shills get more retarded by the day>>64988092The retarded Epstein living pedo shill doesn't know about the Samson option >>64988768You sound like an Israeli. Tell me how's Tel Aviv burning these days? Rape any children lately?
>>64988991>You sound like an IsraeliAnd that is why nobody cries when your family gets bombed.
>>64989001Dudes a Mossad shill confirmed. Keep crying kid fucker.
>>64988768>"they are smelly brown retards and nobody likes them"How come they're winning, then?America has had to evacuate all bases in the middle east
>>64989015Don't even try anon it's a Mossad shill. Report him for racism since a retard like him belongs in /pol/.
>>64976978let me guess, the amad project wasnt actually real?it was just in my imagination?iran was still enriching uranium beyond civilian use just because?let these retards get to 99% of the way there and use it as leverage so we have drop sanctions on russia or china? leverage over arab allies in the area? fuck that
>>64989007Oh, you're the swamp creature from the other thread. You should consider converting then, because your attitude is a dead ringer for Shiite orthodoxy, and I stress, that is why everyone else fucking hates them.>>64989015Sure, I got nothing better to do than waste my breath. When the US sets up a base in a country, that country gets veto power over if the US gets to use it for something. Most of the Gulf States told the US to not use the bases inside their countries for an attack on Iran, in the hopes that they wouldn't get caught in the crossfire. That's not just flying missions, that's also intel gathering, mission planning, logistics support, and the like. The British also did the same with Diego Garcia. The US, valuing its long-term relationships with its partners, obliged and moved its people and equipment elsewhere where they wouldn't be restricted.And then Iran bombed the Gulf States anyway, because they are that fucking stupid.
>>64989023That ended in 2003. This shills so retarded he doesn't even know what year it is. There are no sanctions on China and we are dropping sanctions on Russia anyways. Typical room temp IQ jeet shill.>>64989030lmaooooo this fucking retard didn't read about how they're launching attacks from gulf states. Typical lying shill can't read! Lmaoooo
>>64989037Like I said, "most". And for reasons that I guess we will never know, several of them removed the moratorium on use of their bases this month.
>>64989045>for reasons we'll never know>definitely not because the Gulf countries are degenerates involved with Epstein and the US told them to along if the fact that they're keeping US troops there.OY VEY THE GOYIM KNOW
>>64989057kek, hook, line and sinker
>>64989023>still enriching uranium beyond civilian useThat fact really pisses off the shills. If you want to piss them off even more, remind them that Iran is heavily invested into "research reactors" that, by virtue of using heavy water as the moderator, do not require uranium enriched to 5%, never mind 80%. In fact, heavy water reactors are a very expensive design decision for people that want a reactor but don't want to enrich uranium. Designed correctly, they don't require any enrichment at all.>they're also a very good choice for making plutonium, for what that's worth, but that's not any of my business
>>64989037>yes we are enriching uranium >its actually 100 feet underground >no you may not inspect it, like every other civilian nuclear operation>its definitely not for a bomb thougheverything after 2003 was the same as before 2003, just without the explicit announcement that they wanted a bombwhy are you so emotional and upset?
>>64989045>removed the moratorium on use of their bases this month.Oh geeze, I can't image why they would do that all of the sudden. >>64987404>then confidently launches the six-day warAnon, lets not pretend that one was some kind of sucker punch out of nowhere. The Egyptians and Israeli's had been mean mugging each other across Sinai for years by that point, the Egyptian's threatened to close the straits of Tiran (again) after the heebs told them that they considered it an act of war, and then the Egyptians kicked out the UN peacekeeper forces in the area. They Israelis swung first and smoked their airforce on the ground, gg no re.Frankly, they forgot that lesson and let things build up for way to long ahead of the Yom Kippur War, and that one almost destroyed them.>>64988991He's not wrong about large chunks or the arab world hating them. The Egyptians and Jordanians hosted a lot of them as refugees. The Palestinians proceeded to attempt to throw coups of these governments for not being anti-Israeli enough and tried to kill the king of Jordan. There is a reason the Egyptians have a giant border wall with Gaza. The Kuwaiti's also hate them for siding with Saddam during his invasion of their country, where 350,000 Palestinians lived as guests. In that case, Kuwait straight-up ejected them from the country once Iraq had been beaten in 1991.
>>64987404That just sounds like more proof that there should not be any new nuclear powers. israel, iran, and china included.
>>64989074I'd actually respect the argument that iran needs the bomb since theyre surrounded by completely irrational countries, and theyve already been overthrown by a global super power once before. but the shills just try to do the "NA UH THERES NO BOMB THEY DIDNT EVEN TRY TO MAKE ONE" game
>>64989100The Mossad shills won't accept that argument either it's already been used in this thread.
>>64989104>https://truthout.org/articles/iaea-head-we-did-not-have-any-proof-of-iran-building-nuclear-weapon/i was going to read your article and continue this in good faith, but this is the header for the site. sorry. you lose.
>>64989104>HMMMM wonder why there are refugees to being with?Mostly Russia jumping into the middle of Syria and doing several simultaneous Groznys to stabilize the front, coupled with them being absolutely fucking garbage at suppressing ISIS. The whole war basically took 10 years longer than it had to entirely because the Monke in Moscow is the child of his culture when it comes to managing angry civilians.
>>64989127**Europe found the jews to be so disgusting****
>>64989127why are you so emotional? its genuinely so boring talking to retards like thiswhy did you link this times article without reading it? its exactly what I told you happened and contradicts you
>>64989145see what i mean? youre frothing at the mouthwhat the fuck are you even saying
>>64989104I think you misunderstand the situation in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, and the other arab states that hosted Palestinian populations prior to the 1980s. They willingly accepted Palestinians at first because all of them saw it as an easy way to win optically against Israel, and didn't think it would really present a logistical issue to house a few hundred thousand people that spoke the same language and (presumably) shared their cultural norms. They presumably failed to understand the extreme religious animus in these people, and could not understand that these people would be willing to kill them for not immediately declaring war to get them their land back.>lol>lmao even
Your better analog for a clandestine nuclear program is the saffers. Took them 4 years to spin the uranium and 16 years to have a production model. They had a miniaturized deliverable gun type bomb in 9 years but it was by their own admission flawed.The Isaeli propaganda about Iran just needing the HEU and then it's all over is and always has been horseshit. You need to engineer a real deliverable weapon.
>>64989148>Jew shill can't even form a proper argument anymore And you don't deny being a pedophile either? Oh brother this guy has CP >>64989155Ah yes the Christian and Jewish palestinians and Muslim Palestinians who willingly took in Jews after world war 2 were militant. Do you have any source for your faggotry? Of course you don't pedo
>>64989162I honestly can't figure out why you are so angry, and what about me explaining the reasons that Arab states had to write off the Palestinian people they accepted as refugees is so confusing to you.This isn't some secret history, anon. In 1950 the King of Jordan worked hand in glove with the zionists to get a piece of what was then Arab Palestine, crushed the Palestinian militias that assumed he was on their side, and got a chunk of what is now "the west bank" out of it. The Palestinians hated them for that, and never let it go. The PLO and Jordanian government had a full on civil war in 1970, and when they were allowed to bail into Lebanon afterwards, they kicked off the Lebanese Civil War too.When Egypt signed The Camp David Accords, the Palis that had been living there for 20 years flipped out, Abu-Nidal assassinated a government minister, and got the whole community hit with 'foreigner status' and expelled. An anti-islamist government taking over in 2013 has only made things harder since.There have been multiple conflicts in the ME where these refugee populations fought their host nations. It's a wierd and ugly bit of history, but these are things that happened. Millions of people lived through them and still remember them. Pretending that I'm just making this stuff up will prevent you from ever actually grasping why state actors in this part of the world simply do not care about the plight of that particular group of people. It isn't right, or fair, or just, but it is.I mean this deeply. If you aren't just doing a character right now, and the way you've been responding is how you really are, you need to stop and think about how little it's getting you. And you need to realize that this is bad for you, and is not making you any better.
>>64977084More like de-weaponization program.
>>64989224>He doesn't deny loving Epstein or raping kids>>64989356Yes he is.
>>64989356>>64989380Your tears won't stop the bombs.
>>64989224Not a single mention of Israel killing JFK, Epstein, the Lavon Affair? USS Liberty? You're a pedophile for sure. The world always has cared. Jews like you simply don't care about goyim because you think we're animals.>>64989384Stop raping kids Epstein lover
>>64989391I'm not a mudslime therefore I don't rape kids, or anyone for that matter.I think I still have to remind you that any amount of shilling, seething or crying won't stop the bombs. You'd better spend your time digging a grave for yourself.
>>64989420Last I checked Epstein was a Jew. And the files were full of Jews and Israel protects pedophiles from extradition. Why so mad? Is it because I said you can't rape kids? This guy has CP check him
>>64989425Why would you think that I'm mad, I'm not. It is projection, isn't it? You're hyperfixated on Jews and raping kids, why is that?
>>64989391>Not a single mention of Israel killing JFK, Epstein, the Lavon AffairSchizo moment. None of what you believe is real. You live a lie in a house of guilt and shame. You are like a baby.
Why does everyone convienently forget about the shit the cia/mossad was doing to iran in the 90s, or stuxnet.Yes Iran has heen trying to do the work to create nuke bombs. Longer than most people on 4chan have been alive.Yes, they've "always" been "like 3 years away" (from some level of critical next step). I don't know about you but I only give really shitty people so many chances before it's time for them to fuck off or get hit in the mouth.Iran has never stopped being that shitty guy, and since a country can't "fuck off", they've now been hit in the mouth.If this modern time's global politics weren't so retarded everyone would agree to form a coalition to simply wipe Iran off the fucking map. People are too nice too weak too squeamish. Bad dogs being killed isn't a tragedy it's a necessity.
>>64989478>he gives shitty people chanceswhat a retard
>>64989478>Iran has never stopped being that shitty guynigga have you seen the neighbourhood the live in? How did it work out for Gaddafi to lay down belly up? If Israel gets to have the bomb, and countries all around gets invaded, overthrown etc, what makes Iran irrational in their own quest for the bomb? Anyways, Iran has always wanted to play ball in the nuclear question since it was Trump who tore up the Iran nuclear deal from 2015. They were willing to go back to that negotiation as late as the very day the war started (by Israel & US). Goes to show how "shitty guy" Iran is yep. It certaintly isn't Israel, goy.
>>64990175Using Libya as an example is wild considering all the pernicious bullshit he did to the west through the decades. Hell even Egypt was fed up with his retarded bullshit. Being a shitty neighbor makes your neighbors hate you. Who knew?
>>64977064North Korea had nukes since the 2000s and they are under more sanctions.>>64977672They probably want tu use the HEU for a weapon but they aren't homogenous politically. There is a faction that don't want nukes but will allow for the materials to build one relativelly fast to be made. They probably want to be nuclear-threshold state at most as deterance without actually making one. It obviously failed as deterence however the old leader who was anti-nuclear weapon died and his son who is very pro-weapon is now in charge so in the end no one won because Iran now has less inter-factional restriction to actually commiting to building a nuclear bomb. I actually believe them when they said don't want a nuclear bomb considering they never used chemical weapons against the Iraqi despite the fact they got gassed often. That being said, you could argue about being nuclear latent being the same as having nuclear weapons but it's still not the same exactly nor is it what has been said.
>>64977748>strawmanning with his I'm [Iran]It's the US intelligence directly saying it. Stupid shill poisoning the well with his bad faith mental retardation.
>>64990916So why didn't they open up to inspections?
>>64990824>considering all the pernicious bullshit he did to the west through the decades.It always boils down to "well he had it coming because he's the bad guy!" whenever one talks to retards on here. Never any analysis from a geopolitical perspective, what options are at hand for the opposite actors etc. It's all just cheering on your team as if its a sports game.You don't engage with my point which is that you (as in, Iran) don't get treated nicer when you show willingness to back down. So to answer my own question, it did not work out too great for Gaddafi and that is how the world works.
>>64990945>So why didn't they open up to inspections?They did under the 2015 Iran nuclear deal lmaoShould Iran have these insane sanctions slapped on them, and on top of that not be applying pressure elsewhere, in this case around getting the bomb?There's very little for them to lose at that point: so remember that next time you buy groceries and the price doubled because fertilizer is running out, or if you have a gas-powered car when you're at the pump. Just lift the sanctions.
>>64976964Iran's nuclear program probably doesn't have a $1 billion (in 1944 money) budget, their pick of nuclear physicists from two continents (including tons of enemy expats), 130,000 full-time employees, and the freedom of action that comes from being several thousand miles outside the range of enemy munitions.I'm as 'rah-rah go America' as the next jingoist, but you have to admit this shit is waaaaaaaay easier when you can throw near-infinite resources at a project with one DoD's worth of deterrence to any foreigner actor thinking about fucking with it.
>>64978266>9 tons at last countThat's barely enough for 1,300 Fat Mans
>>64976978You can argue that Iran's goal was just to reach nuclear latency or something, but to claim they don't have a weapons program is a little silly. The IAEA's inspected Fordow and confirmed as of 2023 it's capable of producing 60% enriched uranium. You don't do that when you only need 3-5% to fuel a reactor unless you're pursuing a bomb.
>>64977110
>>64977169It certainly helped, but uranium had been mined since 1825 and turning ore into yellowcake wasn't a difficult process. The Shinkolobwe deposit was important because it was commercially viable back when uranium was only used to make colored glass, pottery glazes, and glow-in-the-dark clock dials. The economics are different for nuclear weapons production which makes much lower concentration deposits perfectly viable (and Iran does mine uranium domestically).But a nuclear program consists of everything that comes *after* the yellowcake.
>>64991222this is a total retarded r3ddit tier opinion. that world doesnt work like you think it does
>>64992370All the Norks had to do was look up public documents from the 1950s working backwards from a POSTER used as a display at an Atoms for Peace conference. They built a small one (which was enough for a few) to make sure they did it right then just made them bigger. Iran screwed around, played dumb games and got smacked for it because they didn't just fucking do it. Iran has a order of magnitude more resources and trained people compared to the DPRK and more places to hide what they are doing. They wanted to act the big man while not putting in the basic work and long term thinking needed to pull it off.Pakistan getting the bomb but not them is bad comedy, Iran should have had no problem stealing/bribing the level of help such palty nuclear powers such as South Africa had but they are spastic nutjobs that no one wanted to assist. FUCKING NORTH KOREA WOULDN'T SELL TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SO RETARDED AND THEY CAN'T EVEN MANAGE A TINY JOKE OF A PROGRAM LIKE SOUTH AFRICA.They just suck dude. Cope, seeth and go dialate your goat but check the dildo for a wifi connection and semtex first because at this point she is probably one week away from being the leader of your country.
>>64993056iran is highly inbred. norks are not. the iranians also have alot more natufian admixture (like most people in the region). natufian retard admixture + inbreeding = retardsthe norks (like almost all east asians) are not very inbred at all.this is a case where genetic anthropologists can offer some help lol
>>64977110They could be trying to build nuclear submarines since they use highly enriched uranium but other than that yeah bombs.
>>64987287You know all the fuckery Iran has been doing with proxy forces across the Middle East for the last 45 years, against virtually everyone in the region? That's what they did without having a nuclear umbrella to hide under. Imagine the shit they'd do if they felt they were untouchable.
>>64993056post the poster
>>64987404>>then confidently launches the six-day warYou mean the one Nasser precipitated by blockading the Straits of Tiran (something that Israel had said for 11 years would be considered a declaration of war) after calling up his military reserves and telling the UN peacekeepers in the Sinai to withdraw ASAP, followed the next week by Egypt signing a military agreement with Jordan and Jordan inviting Iraqi armor units into its territory while mobilizing its own military along the Israeli border (aka the most obviously telegraphed invasion preparations imaginable)? The one where Syria attacked Israel on day 4 because Nasser had falsely told them the Egyptian Army was driving on Tel Aviv and they wanted in on the loot before it was too late? That one?
>>64993558They copied Caldel Hall and it's design, do your own research and stop using me because you are too lazy to do it on your own:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_Hall_nuclear_power_stationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyongbyon_Nuclear_Scientific_Research_Center>DPRK/Mogolia relations are doing just finehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4xZUr0BEfE&list=RDSb7JU_emHPw&index=2
>>64993640ok so I gather the poster doesn't exist, thanks sweetie for the disinformation.retard.
>>64989057>could it be because Iran's opening move was to launch missiles at a bunch of countries regardless of whether they were letting the Americans operate from their territory or not (and also attack Azerbaijan for absolutely no reason at all)?>no it must be because of whatever /pol/ is talking about this week
>>64989100>theyve already been overthrown by a global super power once beforeYeah, the CIA and MI6 played a big role in fomenting that one but the Iranian prime minister nationalizing the oil fields without considering the effect it would have on foreign trade and then arresting his political opponents and enacting rule-by-decree when he started losing support sure fucking helped. And the initial "coup" consisted of the Shah trying to dismiss the prime minister, which is a power he had under the Iranian constitution, only for the prime minister to say nuh-uh. Thank god for the mind-control ray that made all those Iranians do a color revolution against their will (but it must have been an MI6 mind control ray because the CIA had already told Eisenhower the coup had completely failed and that our only option was to somehow try to repair our relationship with the Iranian prime minister now that he had absolute control of the country)
>>64991222>Libya kills hundreds of people in terrorist attacks across multiple Western countries>Western countries are rather insistent that Gaddafi shouldn't get nuclear weapons>"bUt WhAt AbOuT gEoPoLiTiCs N' sHiT??"
>>64993056>working backwards from a POSTER used as a display at an Atoms for Peace conferenceSure they did Norktard. Using the power of Juche and on-the-spot guidance from Dear Leader, anything is possible.
>>64976964I aint reading the whole thread so just in case noone gave the proper answer by now: building a fat man or tall boy sized bomb ist one thing but nowadays you need to make it smaller to fit in in a rocket, which ist much more complicated.
>>64976964They aren't that serious. Incremental progress, chest beating, a little further... not that it's trivial to do but the pace is do to it being so political.
>>64978342Enriched uranium is used in some very expensive detergents.
>>64987246*include in a gangbangno seriously
Man, fucking thirdies complaining about things being fair>If you are anti-west, you go on the shitlist of people to be taken down, see: Hussein, Gaddafi, Ayatollah>No, you don't get to have nukes>No, you don't get to have too much regional power>No, you don't get to support terrorismSimple as that. Sell oil and minerals to the west and don't execute gays and everything's gucci
>>64990916it's in their declarations to IAEA, you disingenuous cunt>>64978325Iran lied and didn't reveal the Parchin complex to IAEA, and probably other smaller facilities toothe IAEA covered only 20% of the suspected listwe have glowniggers in Japan verifying that they're not lyingthat's the fucking difference
>>64994557with their existing nuclear materials they can smuggle a 1kt nuke somewhere in a 10-wheeler and set it offyou think Beirut bombing was bad?consider the implications of a 1kt Beirut
>>64993550thisthey've already proven how "stable" and "discriminating" they are, what kind of "measured response" and "consideration for collateral damage" they have over the past 3 weeksand people want to trust them to have nuclear weapons?lollmaofucking
>>64993741>>64993558I'm trying to find it. It's a bit of an exaggeration but they based their program on a UK design; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagnoxThey looked at the open source material and Magnox reactors were what hit their eye as something they could do without outside help because Juche, they figured out the details via declassified documents and working really hard at it. The gift given to them by the hand of whatever long dead pagan god who created them in the first place was the ability to make things with even the slightest scrap of information. >>64993070One generation of cousin marriage knocks 4-5 points off your average IQ, once in a while between exceptional individuals is fine but as a society 1000 years of that as standard practice takes it's toll.
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>>64995378Not me you are responding to but as evidence i would like to point out Iran's complete and total lack of atomic weapons.
Theoretically with 60 percent enriched uranium they can already build nukes but they would be shitty and inefficient
>>649769641. When america did there were zero rules on proliferation. And they build a fuckhuge gravity bomb that took a fuckhuge bomber to deliver.2. Iran had a cuck for an ayatollah who refused building one on religious grounds since the early 2000s, same cuck then signed a nuclear deal which stopped them further, before the same cuck still didn't go balls to the walls on nukes in june last year because he thought they could make a deal with the US.3. Iran knows what happens if some retard alleges you have WMDs (Saddam)4. Iran knows what happens if you give up all your capabilities (Gaddafi)5. Thus the correct way for Iran to behave was stay in this grey area where they're not building one, but technically could start to build one if attacked.None of this matters anymore since 3 weeks ago.
>>64995762Good post
>>64977737>march 2026>Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon Yeah not a lot of intelligence analysis needed to figure that one out.
Nukes require secret Jewish magic to actually complete, that's why Iran couldn't make one. They don't have any Jews working on their nuclear weapons program
>>64981616>if you don't attack me I won't attack younot a threat
>>65001778anon, hes not talking about the real samson option. He's talking about the schizo samson option he and his ilk gaslighted themselves into belivingBasically its:>if arabs win against israel, jews will nuke the italy and germoney and possibly switzerland and everyone else out of spite
>>64976978fpbpThis war is because jews inherently feel insecure, they have videos of Trump fucking teenage girls from Epstein and we want oil.
>>64989023TC-99 and nuke subs.
>>65002239>we want oilDo not google how many iraqi oil fields were awarded to US companies v foreign companies since 2003.
I agree the god only wants the us and israel to have nukes, other countries aren't allowed to have one
>>64976978>Yes, countries that aren't attempting to make nuclear weapons often take a very long time to make them
>>64976978…So why did they keep saying they were going to build a nuclear weapon then? Are you implying we shouldn’t have believed them?
>>64979716This.One of the often heard talking point is that the people we are killing actually don't want to hurt the USA or its citizens, that they are only posturing for internal audience and we should just ignore them.I say it's a possibility.But if you kill people as soon as they say they want to harm you, there's no possibility of them harming you.Because they are too dead to do it.Better safe than sorry and shit.
>>64976964Them being incompetent isn't a good enough reason for us to get sloppy.
>>65004500Iran is probably end up as a case study of the most retarded rulers in history.Let's ignore the kvetching on whether they dindu nuffin or muh israel for a second and just look at what has happened over the past few decades to Iran:>sanctions>stuxnet>leaders and researchers assassinated>getting bombed a few months ago>getting bombed again right nowThen let's look at what their nuclear actions were:>muh fatwa, "a girl is like a flower">US intelligence assessed they stopped their nuke program in 2003 or so>but then they wanted enrichment>but then agreed to the JCPOA>and go back to enriching after JCPOA is in the trash>maybe we're building a nuke maybe not hahaSo Iran had zero deterrence but all the downsides of being seen as a hostile proliferator. That's what I call being retarded.
>>64976964How come US dropped a uranium nuke without ever testing it first? Why not the tried and proven plutonium nuke?
>>65004591> Iran had zero deterrenceYou just listed a bunch of deterrence> all the downsides of being seen as a hostile proliferator.If you're gonna get treated like you're developing nukes whether or not you are, then I don't see why you wouldn't
>>64993056A better statement is even France wouldn't sell to them. They helped the Chinese.
>>65004500You're talking past the problem. When Iran decided to enrich further than 20%, they had departed from the realm of "purely peaceful purposes" and instead entered "a weapons program is almost certainly planned, if not already active." What they said, or didn't say, after that was irrelevant, because there was only ever really one reason for doing it. Their explanations only made sense to the ignorant and retards.As I said earlier in this thread, everyone in the industry knew exactly what that uranium was intended for, as Iran only had one thing that they could do with it. In this context, it's also obvious why they were interested in heavy water reactors. (Which, BTW, are valued specifically for how little enrichment they require for fuel.)
>>64976964The first nuke ever donated was a german one in Thuringia, look it upSome of the forced laborers were fucked up by the blast
>>65006959I hope they cut off the internet to liars/bots like you in the future. The digital equivalent of littering, shitting up every discussion with absolute rubbish, should attract penalty to reduce its incidence.No, a dirty bomb with unenriched uranium, by a country that couldn't even build a working reactor, and which isn't even supported by any direct evidence, was not the world's first nuke.We wuz Teller'n'sheeet is the newest of gay wehraboo copes.
>>65006959based Joseph Farrell enjoyer
>>65005589>listed deterrenceHuh? What exactly did Tehran have to deterr any of these attacks? And then whatever they did have wasn't enough.>proliferator be proliferatingThat's where Iran fucked up. They ran their mouths and shit and went back and forth. They should have gone full throttle in 2003. Every other nuclear state did the same thing: a covert sprint.
>>65004591All while forgetting to train there AA crews. Has a Iran at anypoint post IranIraq war ran an airdefense mission? Tied to buy an AWACs plane? All rhetoric and no muscle, why i belive regime change isnt the goal in this campaign, someone competent might take power.
>>64981684>However, they miscalculated, because by that point Trump was looking for reasons to strike not keep negotiating.And thus the first domino of what will be the fall of American Empire has started
