I must admit the Walther PP has quite an elegance to it, even if it is definitely not the min-max optimized tacticool autist massad ayoob shawn ryan special forces ccw on the market. Do I still get one? I'm looking at the PP made in Arkansas in stainless, and not the PPK (or the abomination called the PPK/s) because it's the original model, and also the .32 because it's also the original chambering, and I like .32 and think it fits this gun better than .380.
This is obsessive autism and autists will do whatever they want no matter what
>>64981247Might as well; Walther discontinued them, so they might go up in price.
>>64981247>also the .32 because it's also the original chambering, and I like .32Plus then you can have a .32 gun in your pocket for fun and a razor in your shoe.
Anyone else think the gun has been discontinued because they plan on a re-release as their new carry pistol? Maybe a 9mm with a 1.5 stack, offer a option in stainless and keep the hammer and decocker.
>>64982019>a 9mm blowpack pocket pistolNo.
>>64981247you will NEVER have a PP
>>64981970>>64982019it's a temporary production halt for retooling, not a "discontinuation" per se.
>>64981981Based.
>>64981247>I'm looking at the PP made in Arkansas in stainlessi fixed and shot one that was a 380 version made by interarms, which i think is different, but it seemed like a nice enough gun. the transfer bar had snapped and it needed to be replaced. anyways it was one of the most uncomfortable guns i've ever shot. kept trying to twist out of my hand with every shot. the 32 version is probably way better. that's my ted talk.
>>64981247Its the most overrated handgun in history and its later version (ppks) managed to be worse than the original. If you want one because its cool or just because ts old and neet that's fine but dont buy one of these pieces of shit for serious self defense. Just my opinion, im sure I will be told im wrong and someone who ones one has won an ASPCA grand poobah award with it.
>>64982985I've carried a stainless .380 PPK in my pocket for nearly 20 years. WTF ammunition were you using that caused your shitbox to "twist out of my hand with every shot"? I've used Speer Gold Dot hardballs and hollow points in mine for years and they shoot just fine.
>>64983214winchester white box i got at the range when i went to test fire it. i had some weird plastic smooth no texture grips on it too, might have been that.
Buy a bersa instead. I'd rather give my money to a Brazilian monkey then a muslim who speaks german
>>64983264Could be. That's just odd behavior for that model if you're not putting stupid hot loads through it.
Ive had no trouble with mine but I do use magazines with the pinky extension and I grip low. YMV
>>64983302Let me know when they make a thunder in .32 thats actually available and not a small run
>>64982985>anyways it was one of the most uncomfortable guns i've ever shot. kept trying to twist out of my hand with every shotAnon, are you talking about picrel and not PPKs?
>>64981247You can't buy a PP you have to be born with one.Buying a PP is a mockery of Carl Walther's creation. It's not a real PP, it's a cheap Temu knockoff of the real thing.
>>64983322it just felt super slippery when shooting. it wasn't recoiling the same way over and over, it would twist one way and then the other - i had to readjust my grip every other shot. I've shot really hard hitting guns, stainless guns, whole mess o guns but that was my worst experience with a stainless semi auto. >>64983433it was a interarm stainless ppk in 380 with weird grips owned by a mexican that somehow broke the trigger bar. i've shot air weights with fat loads that weren't as bad. maybe he soaked the gun in corn oil i haven't shot one since
>>64983587It sounds like you might know what you're doing, and weren't using retardo ammunition, so I'd say something was wrong with the barrel. That's a fixed barrel design designed for low pressure, so if some stupid mexican put a bunch of hot loads through it, it's possible something got loose that shouldn't be. I get people shit on this series because old, but it's a reliable, accurate and safe design and should be putting holes where you point it every time without fucking with your grip. Even if you're not using the finger-rest mags and have big hands, it's not a problem to shoot if it's mechanically sound and not being fed shittery. Maybe take it to a smith to get checked out.
My father has an original Walther PP in 7.65 mm (which he has already stated will be left to me once he kicks the bucket).And I have shot it on many an occasion. And here are my thoughts: It's a nice little gun. Less snappy than you would think (can't speak for PPK, as I haven't shot with that one). But I have seen my father have a slide-bite on two separate occasions. I myself have not had that pleasure, but then again I kind of made a point to learn from his mistakes. So if you have large hands like we do, maybe pay some extra attention to that?Other than that, it's the very model of a small-frame pocket pistol. It's for close quarters self-defense and not much else. In that role it does excel, but do not think you will be winning marksmanship prizes on 25+ meter ranges. If you fancy the gun, go ahead and acquire one. Just remember that just like every other gun, it has it's own flaws. I do not like the slide-mounted safety lever, but that's a personal preference.
Waltuh
>>64981247No. You RENT a pp. But honestly you could probably get pp for free down by the local park.
>>64983975>slide bite>pay attentionAbsolutely correct. If you've got big hands and aren't paying attention to detail in your early days with one, it will absolutely bite the fuck out of your hand. I've shot mine enough to take a grip away from the slide without having to think about it anymore, but it got me once after I first bought it. When I trained my wife on it, I locked the slide open and had her go through a bunch of draw exercises with it, dinging her every time she had contact with the slide. Cured it in less than an hour.
>>64983975Also, even after nearly 20 years with my ppk, I still hate using that de-cocking feature and hold my breath every time.
You can always buy a PP, even the many vintage ones on pre-owned market.Question is what will you be using the PP for
the fact that you started this thread with that contrarian word salad means no matter what you wont listen to us
>>64982031I mean Heizer was going to do that after the .45 PKO. So we were this close.As you may expect it's a dense little bastard
>>64981247Do you really want one just for fun, for the hell of it? Can you afford it? Go for it.>>64982019The Walther PP is a humongously outdated piece of shit from a modern perspective, they aren't going to redesign the thing as a modern carry pistol, you're comically deluded and retarded.>>64983061PPKs in .32 were ok as compact guns by old standards, but yes, it's overrated.
>>64989360Which is a blocky piece of shit designed from the ground up around it, not the PP scaled up for 9mm Parabellum.If you want it to look anything like the Walther PP, you would need a locked or delayed action, and it's still going to be larger and bulkier.
>>64992405>outdated piece of shitOnly from the "modern perspective" of an ignorant dipshit. >overratedIf you're saying .32 is "overrated" for anything but plinking, then yes. If that comment was about the pistol in .380, you've stepped on your tiny dick twice in the same comment. Stick to playing with legos, kid.
>>64992425Yeah but what if the slide was really dense? Like impractically, prohibitively expensively dense.Walther did try to make a 9mm PP at one point but it was abandoned because it was huge and unsurprisingly beating itself to death
>>64992503It's an all steel compact blowback pistol with a really shitty decocker that breaks the safety over time. It was a cutting edge CC pistol once upon a time, but that was about one century ago by this point.I appreciate it as the historical piece that it is, and I love James Bond, but you having romantic feelings for it isn't going to make Walther go out of their way to compete with their existing and modern CC pistols with an objectively less market competitive design that'll only appeal to a handful of gun autists.Walther makes the PP and PPK because it's a legacy product with enough cultural significance, and which can be made cheaply enough, that it's worth it as a small scale curio weapon for enthusiasts, which is the ONLY space it has in the market.>If that comment was about the pistol in .380There are categorically superior compact handguns in .380 from any practical perspective.>>64992553You answered your own question. The only way you can make a 9mm blowback PP viable is by building up the frame even more, and it stops being the PP/PPK by that point.You would need a locked or delayed breech if you wanted it to retain a similar size and shape, and that's a lot of extra engineering to do, and a more expensive to manufacture pistol, which still will only sell very small numbers.
>>64995087>decocker breaksYeah, that's a retard myth. I've carried one daily for nearly 20 years, put hundreds of rounds through it, and put one in the pipe/decock literally every morning before work.>categorically superior compactsWhen are you plasticshit dolts going to understand that your feelings aren't fact?
Can I join your guys’s PP thread?
>>64995854Eww
>>64995087Just in case you got the notion that you were talking to the same sort of shittalking gasbag you are
>>64995837>When are you plasticshit dolts going to understand that your feelings aren't fact?That's an extremely ironic statement coming from someone who thinks the PPK isn't dated and uncompetitive in the market, or someone (very emotionally) pretending that the decocker isn't known to break the safety.Oh tell me, what is it that the PPK does that the LCP380, Bodyguard 2.0, or even say, Kahr P380 or P9? Optionally, if it needs to be metal framed and hammer fired, how about comparing it to a S&W CSX?>>64995880Yes, I can tell that you're VERY emotionally attached to your PPK, and I'm sure it works great for you (unironically, a gun is a gun), but you're also having a childish tantrum because I said it's old, dated, and not worth reinventing from a modern commercial perspective.I also love the Colt 1873 and the Luger P08, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking those aren't relics surpassed many times over.
>>64995837Wait, you think hundreds of rounds is a lot over a 20 year period? You should be shooting that much in a single year to maintain habit and proficiency.
>>64996213Dumbass, you are mistaking laughing at your stupidity with emotional attachment. The best firearm you can own is the one you have on you when you need it, dipshit. And no, the decocker on a Walther or license-built S&W PPK does not have a "known history" of failing. That bullshit myth is entirely about cheapshit knockoffs like Bersa and owners who don't know what the fuck they're doing. Lastly, dumbass, I put in more work shooting than you can possibly imagine. A box or three per year on a backup weapon I can deploy in my sleep is just fine and nobody needs any shooting advice from a try-harding blowhard like you. Give it a fucking rest, kid.
>>64995862Don’t say that, I can’t afford better
Well shit Walther PPK mags (6 round 380 ACP w finger rest) are 18.99 on gun mag
I'll sell you mine for $999 I know what I got
No, you have to be born with one.
>>64996258You should probably think about your blood pressure at your age.
>>64996527Once again, saying something stupid. I've been a paramedic for 18 years and my wife is a cardiac ICU nurse, numbnuts. Resting heart rate of 60, btw.Learn to read the room, bonehead.
>want pp>bummed I dont have pp>go get pp>like my new pp>mfw
>>64981247I think either you or somebody else made this thread several times now. I get that it can be an agonizing decision.>Should I buy a Walther PP?No. It is a somewhat outdated handgun that doesn't do anything well compared to much cheaper and more readily available pistols.>Why?Expensive, metal frame, straight blowback, low capacity, weak calibers, slide mounted decocker safety that you need to sweep during a draw (even if you carry it safety off you should be sweeping it during the draw), DA pull on first shot. All of these issues can be worked with/around or you can just carry a better gun. Heck you can get a used Ruger LCP 1st gen for like a hundred bucks and pocket carry that. The bar is that low.For just range shooting a PP is fine, but then again so is almost anything else. There are going to be a lot of better shooting pistols with cheaper ammunition and better performance.>What if I want to anyway?Possibly. If you can comfortably afford it and you just want it for the cool factor that's fine. Just don't expect to be satisfied with it as a carry gun. Also look around for used ones because fuck paying ~$1000 new when you can get a slightly used one from some disappointed James Bond LARPer for less than half that price.>What if I want something like it but cheaper?There are a lot of options such as a Bersa Thunder, Makarov or Astra Constable but it is very subjective if any of them would be close enough to a PP in form/feel/function to tick the autism box for you. If you buy one as a cope because you REALLY want the Walther you probably won't be satisfied.Ultimately you don't buy a PP or PPKlone because it is the best at anything. You buy one because you think it's cool. It is a very dadshorts gun just like a S&W 29 which means people buy them, make it their whole personality for a month, shoot them once, and dump them used all the time. As long as you aren't going to be that guy, go for it.
>>64995087>once upon a timeuntil this arrivd
>>65001410These are underrated.
>>64995854I had one of these. Extremely good value at that price point.
>>64999809>somewhat outdated handgun>dadshorts gunThis is more plasticshit stupidity advocacy coming from a kid with zero experience. >Metal frame, straight blowback, low capacity, weak cailbers, slide mounted safetyMetal frame, straight blowback, low capacity are retarded criticisms, with no point beyond trying to sound smart. "Low capacity" of 7 with one in the pipe means a narrow frame that can be carried in the front pocket of "dad shorts" on a hot summer day and nobody on the planet would clock it. The slide mounted safety is another zero problem you're trying to claim. Anyone actually using that series weapon gets that switch naturally within one box of shells, or they're an incompetent dimwit who shouldn't be handling firearms at all. DA/SA has never been a problem for anyone who isn't an idiot for 40 years, and in case you got so far up your own ass being smart, the serrated hammer is easy to cock during deployment, just in case you're so bad at transitioning from DA to SA that your first shot is always wasted. >expensiveTHAT is the ONLY argument you smartasses have that doesn't boil down to a dimwitted opinion on a weapon you've never shot. Everything else presented in this thread against this series of pistol is juvenile shittery.
>>65002777The PPK is really a loadbearing part of your ego, huh?
>>65003043Pro tip: Screeching your single-mom raised home-school fat kid internet-lip doesn't help you be cool.
>>65003227Its obvious to outsiders when its ego speaking and not facts. You took that shit personal.
>>65003233When facts and opinion collide, the only people who get their feelings hurt are dumbasses with a loudmouth who clinically can't stfu in front of having their stupid opinion being dismantled. Keep going.
>>64982717Wrong. Walther's sight says it is being completely redesigned. It will be a plastic piece of shit.
>>65003283NTA. It'll unfortunately be polymerslop to compete with the KelTec single-stacks and the Ruger LCP.
>pp thread>full of fags screeching at eachotherpottery.
