/gq/ Infographic Emporium:
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>Last time on /gq/, Frenchanon foubd the answer to French plates. A man spent $5,000 on a pair of plates, and anon bought a radio. Also trash sniping.

>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.165
CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.
>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):
Budget: Hesco T212 or L211
Mid-Range: Hesco M210
High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.
>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):
Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001
Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*
High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DND
Elite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^
>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):
Budget: Used Protech 2120-5
Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513
High-End: LTC 28780**
Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812
Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995) or used Cercom CER-SOPS**^
>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):
Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)
Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)
High-End: Used LTC 28595**
Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**
Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA
>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):
/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023
Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)
Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)
High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)
Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)
>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)
Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)
Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)
Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)
High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)
Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)

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Things I want to see:
>Tie Dye bros finished product in better lighting, bonus if your wearing it.
>Orange dye guys finish product.
>Did we treat the 4sas4 plate to rough? Thoughts on Polar Tacticls latest video where he chucks around a U-line esapi from protection group denmark. Ceramic is heavily compromised and it still stopped rounds.

who has a level 4 helmet? I remember a new helmet that stopped ak rounds a bunch during gwot. All I'm seeing is 3a. was it the ech? ach?

>>64983855
ECH, yep. Nobody has a Level IV helmet.
>>64983838
>Did we treat the 4sas4 plate to rough? Thoughts on Polar Tacticls latest video where he chucks around a U-line esapi from protection group denmark. Ceramic is heavily compromised and it still stopped rounds.
lmao. Plate got penned a bunch of times vs threats WAY weaker than APM2. Looked like a true dogshit-tier plate with no foam and ceramic flying all over the room after every impact. I honestly don't see how you can do much worse than PGD.

>>64983838
>Did we treat the 4sas4 plate to rough
No. While the lack of drop pro is excusable absent Highcom falsely stating it was an 0101.06 plate, people were getting plates poorly shipped and with workmanship issues. It is a subpar plate, which fails even with small damage undetectable by tap / torque, and only viable if you have no other option and need Level IV-ish protection.
Same deal with the X-CAL LP, except that's an SRT and is at least passable for covert protection.
>Ceramic is heavily compromised and it still stopped rounds
Man I love... headroom. Something the 4SAS4 severely lacks.
>>64983855
Ceradyne and Tencate made Level IV B4C appliques, twenty years ago, but you have a better chance of finding SAEC or ITSA uber-plates than those. ECH stops some 7.62x39 but not all.

>>64983901
Lack of drop protection =/= shitty plate by itself. Did he test it undropped?

>>64983913
>>64983920
Did you even watch the video? He tested the "Level IV" plate vs. threats that an all-poly plate would easily stop. He never once hit it with an AP round. It still got penned, lol

I'll get back to you.

>>64983925
I haven't, been busy lately, that's why I was asking you. What were these threats?

>>64983947
Shotgun meme round
Some 5.56mm FMJ lead core (looked like a couple of penetrations, too)
7.5 Swiss FMJ (at least two penetrations out of five shots)
Clown-tier "test" video. The PGD plate just looks bad, too. It keeps exploding like a pinata, vs. every threat. Ceramic chunks flying everywhere.

>>64983901
>>64983913
thanks bros guess ill just buy a pasgt from cop surplus for easy 3a

>>64983965
So that's alarming if it is "exploding" or vomiting ceramic. That means it lacks a competent crack arrestor, which is extremely bad design. Even the RMA 1165 has one. This is why you should always assume Level IV plates are single hit unless proven otherwise. They often are.
I'd like to see how the plate does unconditioned before rendering final judgment. Drop pro is as easy as cut up yoga mat or a trauma pad.

>>64982811
>Expect like 500-600yd out of this
What would be better for same price to ~$100

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>>64984156
Probably nothing in that pricepoint
$100 in scratchers to buy a leupold RX1400

>>64984006
PASGT is a bit iffy. Buy a Ceradyne BA3A. ACHs and ECHs are genuinely solid helmets, so save up if you can.

>>64984221
A cop surplus PASGT is unlikely to be a real one but just PASGT cut at this point. Which is fine. An easy tell is if it has a modern pad system in it.

Hey Protech 2220-1 anon, did you ever get that straightened out with the guy selling 2230s?
Also, I'm astounded that somebody spent $5,000 on a pair of those SAEC plates and nobody really knows for sure what they're capable of or if they're even uncompromised. Something's shady with that.

>>64984447
A cop surplus PASGT would be the BA3A, lol, except the BA3A is rated to an arbitrary "IIIA" (helmets do not officially go above II under NIJ 0106.01) but it's at least a Ceradyne so games are minimal. $75-150 is the going rate.

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>>64983925
>>64983901
Just saw the video and I'll summarize:
1. Several rounds of conditioning. Probably worth noting the NIJ drop test isn't actually that hard. It's a four foot drop with ten pounds of weight behind the plate, center of the strike face hitting concrete. Twice.
I saw this guy slamming the plate down several times and even jumping on it. Then followed up by pic related. The entire strike face is basically fucked and is bombing the torque test.
He then shoots it with some various small fry shit, pistol rounds, then lights the plate on fire (fuck the UHMWPE backer I guess). A lot of UHMWPE can be killed by a hot car trunk. Rounds then are concentrated either on the edge or on the center of the plate. Shot spacing on the center hits was tight. Remember, under NIJ if a shot is closer than two inches to a prior shot, it is NOT required to stop that hit. That goes for everybody. Level IV plates have no such requirement because Level IV is a baseline single hit requirement, unlike all preceding NIJ reqs which are six hit.

I'm not exactly sure what the point of this test was. A shitload of plates would bomb this (all 0101.04 plates would by rule) and it's disingenuous to make this some kind of strike against PGD. It doesn't matter that it's a "Level IV" plate if all the components are fucked. It's like complaining an F-150 can't tow basic things when all the tires are flat, the transmission can't shift out of neutral, and the engine is firing on two cylinders. The fudds were KINDA right about ceramics. They aren't fine china, but you can't abuse them and expect them to perform at full capacity.

>>64984006
>just buy a pasgt from cop surplus for easy 3a
Last video I saw showed the Sept2 "PASGT style" get penned front and back by 9mm. I stopped watching befor they got to any other carts.

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>>64984804
>get penned front and back by 9mm
Okay, probably worth noting again that NIJ 0106.01 is a standard that hasn't been updated since the 80s and there is no compliant product list unlike body armor.
There is an extreme amount of underperforming helmets out there. All helmet IIIA is made the fuck up by the manufacturer. No official ratings exist above II.
If the 9x19mm is moving at IIIA velocity, it will pen a II helmet or a fake-IIIA that isn't quite up to snuff. Hence why there's a priority on buying military helmets because they're held to actual consistent requirements.
Failing that, police surp helmets are fine only if they're made by a reputable manufacturer. Ceradyne is good, for example. Protech is also good. I wouldn't dance frankly with Chinese helmets due to BFD concerns (no standardized way to measure backface deformation with helmets) and the rampant issue of cheap PE in their armor.

>>64983838
>orange dye
Shipped in today. Molle II delivery tomorrow. Dying to occur Saturday/Sunday. I’m not sure if I’ll have to redip. Considering this a test run to do some green later.

>>64984221
>Ceradyne BA3A
Where do I find a used ballistic helmet?

Who makes your favorite elastic torniquet holder for a plate carrier? They all seem pretty simple, should I just get the esstac?

https://esstac.com/elastic-tourniquet-tq-holder/

>>64983384
>turn Bluetooth off
I assume for better battery life or is it more for not letting some stray onto the comms?

>>64985236
ebay

>>64985631
Battery life and signal. I’d rather not have the option at all.

>>64985631
>better battery life
>>64985674
>Battery life
The battery draw is nonzero, but negligible. I turn off wifi. BT is very near feild, but does take small power.

>>64980556
>>Openemitter red dot on a rifle
>You have much larger issues dawg dont worry about the magnifier the rest of the rifle needs love stat.
I see the wisdom in this, now I'm considering replacing the red dot with a primary arms 1x micro prism
keeping the holosun magnifier though

>>64984156
look for something that advertises 150% of the range you are looking for then read the reviews
the advertised range will always be under ideal conditions, which you will never find in the field

>>64985741
>reviews
Always read the two and three stars. Fives are bots, fours are bots trying to be credible. Ones are competitors trying to saar-bomb or tightwads fishing for partial refunds.

>>64985770
I feel like sifting through the shit of 4chan has left us very capable at skimming reviews
I always love the reviews that have nothing to do with the product or seller
>Fedex lost my package, 1 star
>haven't opened the box yet, giving it as a present, 5 stars

super helpful

>>64985780
We have one in this very thread.
>Neetmaster217
>Just saw a video on Protection Group Shitmark from Denmark's plates. If I could give zero stars I would. I saw a quasi homeless man subject the armor to eternal cock and ball torture, including stomping on it, lighting it on fire, and slamming it on the ground with the full force of a grown ass man repeatedly. The plate was then deemed completely fucked. It then stopped some bullets. Horrible. Absolute trash tier.

>I always love the reviews that have nothing to do with the product or seller
My favorite are when they post pictures and you just see the absolute shit and desolation some people reside in. Yes, thank you for saying the $21.99 Pinty doesn't hold zero on your red anodized AR. Bear creek.. Please clean the twenty pairs of shitstained undies off your floor. Why is your chime card on the bathroom counter? That bottle of half drank coke is growing mold. Is this an episode of hoarders?

Hey anons, what order would you guys prioritize getting gear in? I have my rifle and handgun so far, I have a cc and owb holster for the handgun but nothing else. I still need a good optic (using a Romeo 5) and a light for the rifle

>>64985631
Latter more than the former.
>>64986062
Fire extinguisher, first aid skills and basic vehicle repair and recovery skills
CCW
Rifle (sling, dot , light and supply of mags)
Ifak
Chestrack to carry ammo
Better/More ammo
Plates+Carrier
Outdoor sustainment gear
Nods+Helmet
Thermal

>>64986078
Solid list. Dumb question time, where’s the best place to learn first aid skills? Do community colleges do classes or is it usually somewhere more specialized? Also, I noticed you don’t have a battle belt on your list, would you skip getting one?

>>64986087
>>64986078
Also, what’s a good sling to grab? I’ve heard a lot of chatter about padded slings

>>64986087
start with first aid certification and stop the bleed
https://www.stopthebleed.org/

>>64986089
vickers is a go to
slingster is good too

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>>64986087
>First aid skills
You can take a stop the bleed class for free locally and thats really solid foundational knowledge. EMT, Wilderness first responder and other actual industry related certs can also be done partially online/night school locally in most places.
>Community colleges
Most likely offer some sort of EMT, Para or Nursing
>Battle belt
You can swap chestrack for belt kit if you like belt kit better. I dont think a standalone two piece belt is really needed and a big padded belt is just repetitive if you have a chestrack/belt kit.
>>64986089
Vickers padded sling
Dont buy anything else, they all inferior

>>64986095
>>64986099
Thanks lads. What chest rack do you rec? Also, do you just hang your holster off your gun belt? That seems to be a solid option as opposed to paying for a whole battle belt just to hold a couple extra mags and maybe a knife or something

>>64985639
Do you have any trusted sellers? Idk if I could trust my life to something off ebay

>>64986062
This - >>64986078
>>64986087
Check colleges, medical clinics, and indoor ranges(good ones). My indoor i go to has classes for beginner/inter/advanced shooters, gun cleaning classes, and first aid/stop the bleed classes for free.
>>64986089
I like the Vickers sling. Have three of them. Lightweight, simple, durable, comfortable even with heavier guns, and you can customize them for whatever kind of attachment method you prefer(qd, hooks, old school pass through webbing, wire loop, etc.). Think they make a padded version too. Mine are all nonpad.

>>64986135
That's true for all used armor, helmets or otherwise. Rule of thumb, stick to dudes with >96% positive feedback. I see a guy called Maxatch has a shitload of BA3As for $160 a pop. Market rate is $120, I got mine for $80 months ago. Hit him with a lowball offer and see if he counters.
Other rule of thumb is to read the description and look at the pictures carefully. If what you get doesn't match up in a significant way, file an INAD return to make the seller pay return shipping and you get your money back. Ebay STRONGLY favors the buyer and it is very hard to get burned if you know what you're doing.
That guy has good feedback but only like three counts. They look pretty clean though. Armor for the most part doesn't go bad with age alone, absent some problem models. I'm rolling plates more than a decade old, lol.

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>>64986120
>What chestrack
Depends on budget
Could be anything from a north ireland rig, taps, eagle mcpc, lbt 1961 or mayflower rig.
Could be beltkit as well if you prefer belts to a chest rig.

But generally something that holds atleast 6x 5.56 magazines, bottle of water, admin pocket for nav/signaling kit and a multitool
>Holster
Barring CQB or running open bolt machineguns I dont really carry a pistol on me. Its important you have access to them and someone on the team should have one but like its probably going to be unloaded in a mag pouch vs on my belt. Belt kit, chest rigs and other LBE options should focus on not restricting your movements over distances, extended time or rough terrain.

I'm looking at a phase change vest to wear under my PC for heat management. Anyone use these? Miracool to be exact.

Turns out there's an Enhanced Concealable Small Arms Protective Insert developed around 2013, not to be confused with the Enhanced Capability Small Arms Protective Insert developed about the same time.
Do not confuse the ECSAPI with the ECSAPI. Do not confuse the LSAPI with the LSAPI.
https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2013/12/04/BAE-reports-new-orders-for-body-armor/69681386166358/
>Enhanced Concealable
>Stand Alone Enhanced Concealable
Yeah, looks like those $5,000/set Ceradyne SAEC plates are actually four pound standalone Level IV (wew lad). Christ they must have been $$$ new. Still need more info to confirm.

>>64986714
>Yeah, looks like those $5,000/set Ceradyne SAEC plates are actually four pound standalone Level IV (wew lad).
lol, no they're not. They're API-BZ type plates at best. "Enhanced" doesn't necessarily mean anything in particular.

>>64986886
>Enhanced doesn't necessarily mean anything in particular.
Enhanced SAPI = Level IV.
Enhanced Combat Helmet = basic 7.62x39 ball
Enhanced Capability SAPI = single hit M993.
Enhanced Concealable (note, same exact verbiage as the SAEC, timeframe is a match) is ESAPI but thinner.
In every instance it means a significant increase in protection. In a plate context it has always meant what it does for ESAPI except when paired with the word capability, which distinguishes the first ECSAPI from the ESAPI. M993 > M2AP.
>They're API-BZ type plates at best
So your argument is an absolute state of the art Ceradyne issued to Seal Team Six and 24th STS, so rare and expensive it never got an NSN, going for $2,500 a plate used, is basically worse than the mid-range Defender 275s sold to the DEA, rated for B-32 API and just barely heavier (and only 5/8" thick to boot) than this? The D275s were sold for $775 a plate a few years ago. I'm sorry but that doesn't track.

Ceradyne was special and had ways around limitations that hold LTC / Tencate back. This was discussed last thread. I agree the evidence is sparse but everything so far points to it being a IV-equivalent. I will concede drop pro is questionable, as it is for the D275.

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Can someone shill me a good ifak for my pc? I currently use a big ass army surp ifak with the insert at 5 oclock. I have a bfg micro trauma kit on my pistol belt so i want something inbetween tiny and huge.

>>64986099
>padded belt is repetitive
Nta, but I have been thinking of getting some sort of slim(height wise) padded 'war belt'. I have a two piece ronin senshi belt and I like it a lot but trying to get the velcro on the two belts to line up perfectly, especially in the back, is a pain. Find myself going high or low on it and not getting good match up. Also in cold weather I don't wanna tuck my thick jacket/hoodie into my pants or leave them unzipped to be able to get to stuff on the belt. So figure a belt that can be thrown 'over' my waist or jacket and not onto another velcro belt would be better/less hassle.

With that in mind, is the hsgi slim grip any good? Is there a better belt design out there? With a million different gear companies i figure there is at least one better. Saw this belt(pic rel) in a stock photo for the co's pistol mags, can anyone id if it is a one piece? Thanks in advance.

>Tl;dr - which padded 'war belt' is good?

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>>64987343
Go for the big 'small' or 'medium' tkn then. I got the 'small' version, I like it.

>>64987370
Bfg* not big. I hate autocorrect.

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>>64987343
Get a fanny sack and let it float over belt buckle when in a vehicle, 180 it onto your fanny when dismounted.
>>64987358
Not an unreasonable complaint
HSGI suregrip is okay and can be found on ebay for basically free. Adding a pair of crye suspenders to them makes them way less likely to shift.
>Pic rel
>No pic
Good job bud

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>>64987358
Forgot pic

>>64987370
Good idea thanks
>>64987384
I tried an arbor arms fanny pack and I didn’t like it

>>64985009
Very nice, I'll be waiting.
>>64985239
Better to buy American, get the esstac. Most Chinese companies cost the same. If you plan to be outside a lot concider a full coverage tq holder, sun fading damages tq's.
>>64984794
>I'm not exactly sure what the point of this test was

Yeah there is no point, it's a goofy YouTube vid for likes. I only brought it up to prove a point to myself that gear general just goes on long discussions about plates. I look forward to dye anons, at least they bring fresh air to these threads.

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>>64985741
I ordered this before I went to work this morning

>>64987403
>Better to buy American, get the esstac. Most Chinese companies cost the same. If you plan to be outside a lot concider a full coverage tq holder, sun fading damages tq's.
Good point. I have a full coverage NAR TQ holder but it doesn't interface very well with the molle on my cummerbund. Also, its very snug while its staged and I imagine if I need a TQ I'm not gonna have the strength to pull it out.

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>>64987447
Im thinking its the same as this
or its counterfeit

>>64987403
>I only brought it up to prove a point to myself that gear general just goes on long discussions about plates.
Yeah they do. Technical subjects are technical. At least the SAEC featherweight Level IVs are fresher than the Hesco 4800 / 4403 / Mehler Vario / Does Hesco suck actually / is PGD shit or not shit debacles.
The problem is that armor is in an industry wide holding pattern because the NIJ has no balls, and so there's virtually nothing new going on.

>>64987062
> I agree the evidence is sparse but everything so far points to it being a IV-equivalent. I will concede drop pro is questionable, as it is for the D275.
There is literally no evidence. Enhanced means "an increase in protection" but we don't know what the regular "Concealable SAPI" was rated for, and it might have been an LSAPI-type barely-more-than-Level-III+. It might have even been less than that. In fact, the weight and thickness makes sense in that case.
The most reasonable assumption is that it's probably a little bit better than the LSAPI and VelSys API-BZ, but that it's definitely not lightyears better than EVERY other plate that people know about, which is what a 4-pound Level IV standalone would be.
> rare and expensive it never got an NSN, going for $2,500 a plate used, is basically worse than the mid-range Defender 275s sold to the DEA, rated for B-32 API and just barely heavier (and only 5/8" thick to boot) than this? The D275s were sold for $775 a plate a few years ago. I'm sorry but that doesn't track.
Dude rarity and price have nothing to do with performance. If anything this argues that the plate isn't THAT good, because if it were they would be making more of them. Old fiberglass Navy flak jackets are really expensive these days, lol

>>64987613
>Finally, some NEW armor discussion
I've said this before, you're good. I'll address each point in turn.
>There is literally no evidence.
The evidence is circumstantial (price, rarity, ultra high end Ceradyne, enhanced concealable verbiage) and calc'd off of other high end Ceradynes. They had plates like the MH3 CQB which mog the Hesco 4800LV in 2004. Ceradyne was REALLY good shit.
>Enhanced means "an increase in protection"
A major increase in protection.
>we don't know what the regular "Concealable SAPI" was rated for
Have not seen a CSAPI yet, but it's probably a SAPI with conditioning reqs skipped so it's thinner.
>and it might have been an LSAPI-type barely-more-than-Level-III+.
LSAPI is equivalent to ISAPI, which is inferior to ESAPI. Note this is enhanced concealable and not improved concealable. Ergo the ECSAPI type 2 is much more likely a IV.
>In fact, the weight and thickness makes sense in that case.
It's twice as expensive used as a pair of PBZSAs is new. That's a lot of room for improvement.
>The most reasonable assumption is that it's probably a little bit better than the LSAPI and VelSys API-BZ
So inferior to a $775 explicitly mid-range Ceradyne Defender 275 from 2012, which is about as thick as the PBZSA, only somewhat heavier, but stops B-32 API?
You do realize this plate is absurdly expensive, yeah?
>but that it's definitely not lightyears better than EVERY other plate that people know about, which is what a 4-pound Level IV standalone would be.
High-end secret Ceradynes are superior to current LTC plates, this has been known for years. 96034, SOF ESAPI, 101314, MH3 CQB, SOF IMP/ACT series. 3.9lb plates that stop eight M995 ICW IIIA at 3,280ft/s. The PBZ-SA stops none.
>price have nothing to do with performance.
Bruh. What is doped boron carbide and the best Spectra that Honeywell had to offer? Expensive ass shit.
>because if it were they would be making more of them
Ceradyne is gone man.

>>64987613
Also, forgot to mention, we have to use weaker evidence for plates like this because there is no chance in hell we'll ever get the test report. The plate is extremely sensitive. The report is no doubt classified, assuming JSOC even still has it. The plate doesn't even have a name or NSN. The Ceradyne which made it is long gone.
Old Ceradynes are basically lost archaeotech. It's ridiculous, I know, but it is what it is. They really fell off hard after the delaminating GEN-III debacle in 2013 and lost all their talent after the 3M and Avon buyouts. Armor was a lot more interesting when they were making moves.

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>>64987687
> They had plates like the MH3 CQB which mog the Hesco 4800LV in 2004. Ceradyne was REALLY good shit.
IMO there's no mogging here. It was a 4.2 pound ICW plate. With the soft armor of the time, easily 5.2 pounds, maybe more. As you've said, there's probably no foam and no drop protection on it, too.
> Have not seen a CSAPI yet, but it's probably a SAPI with conditioning reqs skipped so it's thinner.
You're making it up. I mean, that could be the case, but it could also be different. Don't forget that VelSys's "Low Vis" plates are 10x worse than SAPIs, basically just stopping 7.62x39mm. So it doesn't necessarily follow that the "Low Vis SAPI" is exactly equal to the regular SAPI.
> It's twice as expensive used as a pair of PBZSAs is new. That's a lot of room for improvement.
Cost has almost nothing to do with performance at this tier or on the secondary market. Would you like to buy a fiberglass flak jacket for more than $500, sir?
> 3.9lb plates that stop eight M995 ICW IIIA at 3,280ft/s. The PBZ-SA stops none.
M995 is not APM2, totally different thing. The 5.1 pound 4800 just barely stops APM2, and shits the bed if you exceed 2900 fps. A 4 pound standalone plate would be an unholy mogging.
> MH3 CQB, SOF IMP/ACT series. 3.9lb plates that stop eight M995 ICW IIIA at 3,280ft/s. The PBZ-SA stops none.
I'll grant that they were good at making multi-hit plates, but nothing here indicates that they're capable of making a 4 pound standalone Level IV. They could probably make a 5 pound Level IV that could take 4 shots reliably, though.
> Ceradyne is gone man.
RIP. Imagine wearing picrel together with top-tier Ceradyne plates.

This is the most autistic thread on /k/

>>64987789
Always has been. It's part of its appeal. You might find it weird, but /gq/ has some of the most high-level discussion of gear on the internet.

>>64987770
The 4800LV stops no M995 at 3,280ft/s and is still ICW IIIA at 4.7lb to stop M2AP. It has no drop pro and depending on the version may or may not go over 44mm BFD. It is half a pound heavier than the MH3 CQB and stops far less.
>With the soft armor of the time, easily 5.2 pounds
It's 2004, and it's ICW IIIA, so if you wanna be cheeky I nominate Zero-G Black Diamond Zylon, so it'll be 4.65lb or whereabouts. PE will be 0.85lb/ft2 at that time. You're still overestimating weight.
>As you've said, there's probably no foam and no drop protection on it, too.
4800LV ain't got shit there either, ditto for the LTC 26310.
>Don't forget that VelSys's "Low Vis" plates are 10x worse than SAPIs
Which one? There's several, including the... PBZSA in a PULV low vis cut. Other B4C BZ API variants exist.
>So it doesn't necessarily follow that the "Low Vis SAPI" is exactly equal to the regular SAPI.
The article makes no distinction between ESAPI and concealable ESAPI. I think it's just reduced conditioning. Gotta lose 0.2" or so and that's the easiest way.
>Cost has almost nothing to do with performance at this tier or on the secondary market.
A pair of MH3 CQBs adjusted for inflation is $3,500. A pair of 96034s $4,000 and they trash any comparable plate from LTC. Actually there is no comparable LTC plate to either!
>M995 is not APM2, totally different thing
M995 clears REV. A ESAPI because B4C amorphization vs tungsten penetrators. The PBZSA is much weaker than REV. A ESAPI and uses B4C. M995 > PBZSA.
>A 4 pound standalone plate would be an unholy mogging.
Just like a certain 5.3lb Ceradyne that Delta used which stops tungsten core 7.62...
>I'll grant that they were good at making multi-hit plates, but nothing here indicates that they're capable of making a 4 pound standalone Level IV
They made 4.2lb plates which stop M995 far more easily than 5lb Hescos can, and that was in 2004. This SAEC plate is 2013 at the latest. Huge room for improvement, esp in backers.

>>64986576
>I dont really carry a pistol on me.
oh shit fat2 actually learned something

>>64987817
I know right? So what lipstick would go with my camo cloak /k/issies?

>>64987817
Agreed. I don't know any other place that actively discusses... B4C amorphization. Meanwhile you go on plebbit and people swear up and down the Hesco 4800 is REV. J ESAPI. 3x M2AP or M995 at 4.9lb my ass.
Also, food for thought, current VTP ESAPI is 5lb ICW milspec soft and stops 3x M2AP @ 2,850+-30 or 3x M995 @ 3,350ft/s+-50, but is allowed to go up to 62mm BFD versus old ESAPI 44-49mm.
VTP ESAPI is currently manufactured by Tencate, LTC, BAE, and fake-Ceradyne. It's economical and not anything special.
Given the SAEC is stupidly more expensive and is probably just one M2AP and no M995, 4lb is feasible. I sincerely doubt it's "robust" in any sense of the word.

>>64987829
BLACK ON BLACK ON BLACK

Are my hoplite 26605 plates goyslop

>>64987770
Also, one last point, the SAEC is concealable, it is not low vis aka covert. Concealable is equivalent to a TSA/LTO or BZ API rated plate like the LTC 28720. Following SAPI, ISAPI, ESAPI, what's the next cut up from BZ API aka ISAPI? Hint, it starts with enhanced... and it's... M2AP.

>>64987901
They're okay but meh. Only plates to have been suspended by the NIJ twice. Hesco 4403 is on paper a better plate. Superior multi hit.

>>64987918
Sheeeit, should I sell them and try again? Mine were manufactured 4/22, they're still under warranty for another year.

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>>64987828
Im going to post it again

>>64987986
That tiny breaching shotgun makes more sense to me than under barrel shotgun/grenade launcher.

Noob question.
In a chest rig, given that im a smaller guy, the pouches rather than being all on the 11-1 o clock positions, they’re more like 10-2 o clock.
With that being said, the question is: should all the mags be facing the same direction?
I have them oriented facing my right and I use the same technique to grab the mag regardless of where it is.
Is this correct?

>>64987986
I don't really care how you do your thing I just find it interesting people who have done something pretty much universally feel the same way about pistols

as a civilian it makes sense to carry, as a rifleman in a fireteam it seems less useful

>>64987976
They're fine, you won't get what you paid for them and they are actively certified. Protech 2230s are the best upgrade but the supply is limited.

>>64988211
The Russian/Ukranian knife fight video made me always want to carry a pistol.

So to sum up the Ceradyne SAEC debate for anyone not autistically into plates.
>Situation:
Set of previously unknown, extremely sensitive and classified Ceradyne plates showed up on fleabay and sold for five thousand dollars to mr. moneybags. Allegedly M2AP rated going off circumstantial evidence.
>Question:
Can Ceradyne, now defunct, but the most advanced armor company in the world, make a quasi Level IV with no drop protection and single hit performance 0.9lb lighter and twice the realized price vs the Hesco 4800, the aging, mediocre flagship of a third division armor company that doesn't even manufacture their own ceramic and has four NIJ suspensions because they got sloppy? It has already been well proven that Ceradyne beats the shit out of Hesco in most other categories even using 20 year old vs new.
My answer is yes. Other guy's is no. No way to REALLY prove it unless somebody finds a SAEC and shoots it, which would be a shame because there's like a hundred of the plates out there, tops.

>>64987986
Cool man. Real cool. Do you bring along a magnifier?

>>64988583
Dude didn't have time to transition to a pistol anyway he got caught up in his sling iirc

>>64987789
Maybe, but my Type 1 and Type 2 viking axes were delivered today and you can't say that. And yes, you heard it her first because fuck the fags at /kg/, they are stupid heads!

>>64987889
He's got goth and he ain't wrong.

>>64987986
>no cat ears under scrim
Dead already.

>>64988960
Based, I want a tomahawk

>>64988960
/kg/ needs the cloak from >>64987770 IMMEDIATELY

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>>64983636
All will be btfo by this

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Been looking at getting a load bearing rig, is smersh overrated?

>>64989843
Yeah

Get a PLCE or just build yer own.

>>64988960
Where did you get them anon? That sounds badass

>>64990060
Cold Steel, through Knife Center. No free shipping on oversize products (Type 2 30" handle).

Opinions on ferro concepts chestrigs?

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>>64988960
>Type 1 and Type 2 viking axes
>after further review...
More Type 3 and Type 20. My order waited weeks on a back order and my memories were more desire than accuracy.

>>64989171
leon kennedy type aaaahhh

I got my MSAPs in for my deltoid carriers. They are MSAPs. Thank you or your attention to this matter.

>>64990349
>img bbs
Pic.

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>>64988004
Thats why I have one
>>64988646
Pair of m24 binos on back of assault pack
>>64989843
Absolute junk
>>64990133
Okay
Expensive
>>64989413
I bet the houthis would shoot down a dozen of these given the chance.

>>64990402
A2 I went nigger mode and unglocked my glock it still shoots but how fucked am I?

I am thinking about getting a crossfire belt kit.
I don’t like having all the weight and physical bulk accompanied by it all on my chest.
I feel like a load bearing belt kit will allow me to carry more things, get weight off my shoulders / at least bring it to center of gravity.
I’ve heard on the internet the crossfire belt kit + velocity jungle harness is a pretty goated setup

Looking to get a JPC 2.0 for my first pc. How well does it hold weight? I wanna run side plates, a dickflap, and 5 mags at most.

Anyone make anything close to that old fenris chest rig? Basically looking for the lowest profile mag holder I can get my hands on. Not sure if that’s a dank robber or what at this rate. Won’t be going in a Carrier.

>>64990402
>Pair of m24 binos on back of assault pack
Nothing to put behind the red dot? I’m guessing by the shotgun the answer is you don’t expect to engage more than a couple hundred yards

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>>64990445
Reglock it, thankfully thats easy
>>64990506
I do enjoy beltkit and your reasons seem sound
Just think about how much vehicle work you be doin
>>64990580
You might be better off with a SPC if youre talking about anything but very light plates.
Shit maybe even an AVS depending on how heavy we are talking. The hypalon straps on JPC just tend to stretch which makes the load feel heavier than it needs to be. Various internal harness systems exist but eh id probably just buy a diff carrier.
t. JPC 2.0 user
>>64990584
>lowest profile mag holder
Unity clutch?
>>64990701
Bingo
I have other equipment for other tasks

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>>64990362
The MSAP goes in the pouch. Provides B-32 API protection (and M2AP if you don't mind excessive BFD...) but for shoulder. About 1.6lb a pop. Pretty cash actually. Ran me about $220 for both the MSAPs and both the MSAP shoulder pouches. They pass tap and torque.
>>64990744
>I have other equipment for other tasks
Based mission dictates gear dude.

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>meanwhile over at Apex

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>>64990744
Bless Caesar. Toying with a portable trash sniping setup.

>>64990967
Interesting. Have you looked into Liberty 55gr 9x19mm? It gets you through most IIIA soft armor and probably almost all IIIA out of that barrel.
>>64990744
A2, what's your take on the Ceradyne SAEC? Curious if you have any thoughts on the latest hella light plate sensation.

>>64990744
Can I keep the rmr cut slide so I don't mill my original slide?

>>64990987
I haven’t yet, but I will. Probably one of my favorite guns to shoot. Gentle recoil setup using jrc buffer tube. All the functions of an ar but at 9mm prices. Forward assist serves as a fun button up until I can be bothered to cut the slots or get a bolt that has them already.

>>64991014
Yeah that's cash. Philly gangsters are rolling vests as a style statement no cap.
I have a hi point carbine with a Pulsar N550 up top, fun but single stack so it's kinda retarded.

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>>64991024
You can even daisy-chain mag couplers. I’d like to play around with a redimag. Easy route would be regular lower with magwell insert using an insert/spacer on the unit. This lower is dedicated so it’d have to be ground up.

>>64991055
Daisy chained like my Carver amplifiers.
I have a redimag on my AR. It's neat but adds weight to the gun.

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I have a JPC 2.0, are there any other PCs worth trying?

>>64983901
>Nobody has a Level IV helmet.
Ceradyne's spirit will rise from the grave, and the helmets will be boron carbide.

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>>64983901
>Nobody has a Level IV helmet.
Just wait until I stack my second slaap infront of my first.
>>64991008
Put OG slide on it
Sell it
Buy MOS or COA cut gun
>>64990987
Dont have one
>>64991101
Depends on what you want to do with the carrier. For a really heavy armor carrier setup there are much better setups than the JPC.

Also how did you get this photo of me?

>>64991132
>mos or coa
Some of us have standards.

>>64991170
>no bro you dont get it the dinglebop customs cut is so good all 20 people that waited 6mo and got the custom plate had no problems so far!
MOS failures with non cast plates are basically non existent and pistol is fine.

People getting way too into this shit for no reason.

>>64991177
I got no dawg in this fight. No plates. Cut the oem slide. Rmr cut is fine. My only regret in this life is not getting a 17L and turning it into the offensive handgun concept of the 2020’s.

>>64991177
If I have to give up my 17 I'd rather keep it and just buy a new glock and call it a day.
Will I ded in the sheet? Maybe.

>>64991236
Tbh id just cut it and get it over with. By the time anything different rolls around you can just get a new slide. No ragrets

>>64991132
>Just wait until I stack my second slaap infront of my first.
You've been working those neck muscles I take it. Call Jacob Ganor and ask for the titanium diboride special.
>don't have one
I can't even afford one rn

>>64991254
Nta but think a slapp coukd fit a high cut ach? Not sure it’s worth it. Worry might be front heavy with a pvs14 and all that part in the front.

>>64991279
I don't see why it wouldn't, but that will be front heavy.

>>64991279
>would it fit an ACH
Probably
>Balance issues
Easy, just put a slap on the back

>>64991293
I say a helmet tail. get medieval on the opps.

>>64991249
I'll just save up for a new gen 6 45 if stock is the name of the game. And if I have to mill the oem I'll just go for a DPP cut and try to make it look like an MOS3 cut.

>>64991293
Rears even a thing? Either that or 8 trillion batteries.
>>64991291
Car battery on the back.

So are phase change cooling vests under a PC go or no go?

>>64991355
>Rears even a thing? Either that or 8 trillion batteries
Anything is possible with enough zip ties and duct tape.
Anyways, Ceradyne and Tencate made full coverage helmet kits that went up to Level IV, with Ceradyne also likely having M995 rated ones, but you will never find them.

>>64991366
Iceplate a good idea
Idk about a powered one
>>64991379
The slaap mounting is already sort of jank as fuck. Without a doubt that shit flying off after being hit the first time like a vidya boss armor

>>64991457
Yeah, Ganor's a smart dude but the even heavier M855 applique Adept makes is bulky and jank. I mean look at it.
Ceradyne had the right idea. Boron carbide or go home. Expensive but it's the lightest way to get rifle helmetry. M995 appliques would be... the shit.

>>64991457
just be a way to better secure it? glue some velcro to it or something? lol

>>64991618
them must be*

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Postsan somewhat /gq/ worthy bear defense truck shotgun. I did have it set up with an MCS conversion so that it could be taken down but found the LOP lacking. Might get an adjustable buttstock+A2 grip set up for it. Unsure as it does its job just fine as is.

>>64991663
Do you have any interest in a top folding stock?

>>64991663
To make it nu-/gq/ worthy you need it to punch body armor. Paraklese makes steel "APDS" slugs but it seems like they're discontinued. Won't be persuasive against most plates.
There are methbillies in the woods with 4SAS4s or something. Maybe aim for the penis. Dick them down.

>>64991718
Depends on the LOP to be honest. I’m of average height but must have had some genuine fucking cave-men-ape-people in my bloodline because I’ve got a stupid long wingspan.
>>64991735
B-but anon this is to protect me from bears on my wood lot…
>the bears are wearing level IV ceramics now
It’s over…

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>>64991754
L.O.P. – 14 1/4 in. I give you a deal as Khajit has many wares.

>>64991754
There are methbillies chasing the bears, and weedmasters running grow ops.

>>64991618
I'd definitely concoct a zip tie solution.

>>64987770
>The 5.1 pound 4800 just barely stops APM2, and shits the bed if you exceed 2900 fps.
I'm kicking myself still for not buying that pair of 4800LVs on ebay for $350. People spent entirely too much and got burned on these lightweight IVs that, SURPRISE, have no headroom.
LTC 26310, Protech 9812-R1, and Highcum 4SSS2 are the same way.

>>64987986
Why the orange rifle mags and red pistol mag baseplates?

>>64992598
Training mags. His setup is a lot easier than the mag spreadsheet schizophrenia inventory I was using previously.

>>64992646
>Training mags
Makes sense.

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First mushroom cloud I see anna Imma shootin' any motherfucker not wearing a barristic skirt, chain mail mankini, or a fur collared cloak (flectarn capes, and/or gladius, and/or katana) will get a pass) right inna the fucking dick!

>>64993017
Good because I've got a JINWUDUN barristic skirt and a PIMP CLOAK from CHINA. Also, my plates are UNEQUAL Protech 2230s that stop M2AP at Mach 3.12
Has anyone actually bought plates from Gilliam yet? I remember a few dudes were like "i kinda want some 1023s" but then chickened I think when we brought up the fact it's a garage operation.

GARAGE OPS is UNEQUALED. LVL4 CODPIECE 4 LYF!

>>64990744
Thanks. I'm running 5lb level 3+ plates, And I might consider switching out the side plates for more soft armor.

>AVS
I heard that the AVS without the harness is just a worse JPC, and that the harness gets stuffy and bulky. Any experience with the AVS padded yoke or AXL micro harness?

>SPC
Might look into that.

>>64993131
>I'm running 5lb level 3+ plates
Which ones, by chance?
>And I might consider switching out the side plates for more soft armor.
Weight vs protection, the classic battle. The soft armor is basically useless against rifle threats so if you're thinking rifles will be an issue over pistols / frag, then keep the plates.
>>64993125
I'M.... I'M.... I'M GONNA BUY A SINGLE 8.3lb GILLIAM 8002 IV++ PLATE AND STOP .300 WINMAG BLACK TIP TO THE PP! AAAAGH

Speaking of Gilliam, they dropped the price on the 9969 to $1k/set. It's a 5.75lb Level IV also rated for 5.56 M995. 1.1" thick, with .07 drop pro, and no nominal sizing chicanery. If you lose the drop protection it's 5.6lb.
https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/products/model-9969-lightweight-no-spall-multi-curve-ceramic-armor-plate
Same strike face as the Adept Archon but $160/set cheaper. Archon claims better 5.56 / 5.45 AP defeat than the 9969. Specs are otherwise very similar. I see they haven't redone the testing since the 9969 was over 6lb.

>>64989843
Yeah highly overrated, its okay though. Like every piece of gear that becomes a meme, they get blown up into something they're not and suffer as a result. Chicoms and P83s were a decent budget chest rig, but that's all they were, and now P83s are hundreds they're no longer relevant and chicoms were frankly always shitty; people buy them because theyre cheap and no other reason. Gorkas are (or at least were in 2012) decent windproofs for the price, but they were never the do-it-all garment they became circlejerked as. Similarly, gray PCUs were good because they were cheap and nice and looked cool, but now theyre a known fashion thing they arent cheap anymore and get scalped; youre simply better off with a civilian softshell. In line with all that, the smersh was just a padded belt with yoke and dedicated AK pouches that could be bought cheaply, and its fine in that context; but now they've been through a phase of being "le best LBV ever and heckin aesthetic" the prices are jacked up and you also can easily get molle AK pouches with flaps and harnesses are back in fashion; so there's no particular reason to touch them. Doesn't make it bad necessarily, just irrelevant.

>>64987370
I ended up ordering the medium with the tq now strap holder brand new on ebay for $86 shipped. Went RG like yours, I'm in the process of switching all my gear to RG/CB from multicam

>>64993179
I have militech 3+ alumina, got them for real cheap second hand. Would like to upgrade to level 4s that aren't 7 pounds but I'm a poorfag.

>Soft armor vs side plates

I value frag protection more but ideally I do want both, but 6x10 3A as well as 6x8 side plates might be too bulky.

>>64993373
>I have militech 3+ alumina, got them for real cheap second hand.
Those are passable but not super great.
>Would like to upgrade to level 4s that aren't 7 pounds but I'm a poorfag.
Can you go without proper drop protection in your use case? That opens up a lot of mid range options. Alternatively, do you really see the need for M2AP coverage? Maybe better III+ is the answer for you.
>soft vs side plates
I'd unironically go pick up some MSAPs. The tan Ceradyne ones in >>64990820 can be had for relatively cheap if you're patient. 6x6, solid rating at 1.6lb.

>>64993528
>Drop protection
Eh, iffy drop protection is fine. You can always just cut up a yoga mat and put it in front of the plate, right?

>M2AP
I think it's a common enough threat to prepare for. Just hope I don't come across tungsten or bubba's 300 win +p+ loads.

I'm looking for ways to cam/conceal in a mostly-desert environment with salt-bush
My buddy and I discussed cam-capes, taking a desert coloured piece of material and cutting it to fit a cape so at least when prone we present less of a profile than two big green niggas laying there

>>64993625
>Eh, iffy drop protection is fine. You can always just cut up a yoga mat and put it in front of the plate, right?
You can, but that steals some of the weight / thickness reductions of a non-drop pro plate.
I'm thinking surplus ESAPIs are your best bet. Run with soft armor as required, you're at 6.5lb SAPI M, and you have robust protection with drop pro. If REV. G or later, 3x M2AP / M995.
Failing that, a mid-range Chinese plate like the Longfri 4SiCMH or Militech RF3 Black Label, but they aren't as robust.
>I think it's a common enough threat to prepare for. Just hope I don't come across tungsten or bubba's 300 win +p+ loads.
>tungsten
Statistically won't happen unless the situation changes massively or you're being engaged by cops / feds. Then you have a "dragon chasing" issue because there's no plate on the commercial market that addresses actually modern tungsten core. Swiss P AP is 28 years old.
>.300 win +p+
Very short list of plates good for that, stay away from Hesco if that's an issue. Favor alumina or sic strike face plates with aramid backers. Stay out of appalachia and other rural areas though and this isn't much of an issue.

>>64993327
An excellent summation and effort post.

>>64993356
>switching all my gear to RG/CB from multicam
The pendulum swings.

>>64993737
>cutting it to fit a cape so at least when prone we present less of a profile than two big green niggas laying there
>AAAAAAYEAAAAAAH TAKPEEENYAAAA

LISAN AL-GEAR.

>>64994549
Yup I made the newfag mistake of locking my gear into MC. I’d rather have solid color gear that works with a multitude of different BDU patterns. Thermals gonna get me anyway, so drip or drown.

>>64994799
I've been saying for months the future will be tunnel warfare.

New shit from Stealth Armor Systems. Higher coverage Hexar now in either SiC-TiB2 or B4C.
https://stealtharmorsystems.com/shop/ols/products/hexar-flexible-rifle-matrix-patrol-style
This is more or less a better Safelife FRAS. Could be useful if you need extra rifle coverage, but the highest this goes is M193 + M855 + M80, so if A1s are in play, or proper AP 5.56 and above, you're out of gas.
That Verco shit really needs to upscale production.

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>>64994838
Based

>>64994985
Flamethrowers defeat all plates and can be shipped directly to your door in most states. I'm just saying.

>>64993737
So like a ghillie suit? For desert?

>>64994838
I just want tunnel welfare.

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>>64993737
I personally love Omani desert DPM. DTS Pic not rel.

>>64995292
Section 8, eight miles below.

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>>64995028
>mogs your chink flamethrower

>>64995349
Hey, they're only $140-200 on ebay. Not bad. The proximity suits only hold up to 500 fahrenheit ambient. Napalm burns at over a thousand, so if you hose them the suit will give out unless it's one of the entry grade ones.
Would still be useful if incendiaries are all over.

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>>64995028
>>64995292
>>64995349
>tfw I'm gonna go on alibaba and get an ENTRY-GRADE fire suit so I can survive enemy tunnel welfare flamethrowers in the mole ghettos of 2045.

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>>64987386
>>64987358
Personally I’ve found what you’re proposing to be good for the flat range and some comps if you’re lazy and that’s it. Which is fine. But if you’re climbing fences, running (or even walking) any real distance, or living in the real world to any extent, probably not going to work out for you. Set of suspenders mitigates the problem a little but then might as well move to something bigger. That said I’m not in a cold climate so I can’t speak to that aspect.
>pic rel, getting scrapped

>>64989413
True. Counterpoint: the WASP CC’d Roland special is the English Regency smallsword

>>64993737
Actually not retarded, gj
Good luck getting under 3lbs in civ life though l m a o
>tfw these’ll go on the surp market in 15 years
https://soldiersystems.net/2026/03/18/us-marine-corps-seeks-multispectral-camouflage-overgarments/

>>64995766
In five years, the Chinese will make a fur collar version and sell it on Aliexpress for $200. You will buy the rizz cloak 3.0 and you will be happy.
>inb4 x ray goggles are invented

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It begins. I used the entire container of dye.

>>64995907
You WILL dye!

>>64995961
I had to use rocks to weigh it down which I’m hoping will not affect how the dye takes. I have elected to let it run for 2 hrs. I don’t know how I will dispose of the dye yet. Have no gotten this far.

For old war belt and that concealable unity belt, is it better to size up for layering or just roll with standard size?

>>64996003
Soo it turned out deep crimson red. Apparently you actually have to read the directions on the dye. Did an initial wash with dish soap and really rinsed the thing. It’s outside hanging at which point I’ll asses/take pics. I’m considering boiling it tomorrow afternoon and then leaving it outside to bleach in the sun. Interestingly, it also dyed the buckles.

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>>64996308
>THIS GEAR OF MINE IS BURNING RED
>ITS DEEP CRIMSON TELLS ME I SHOULD HAVE READ THE DIRECTIONS
>ERUPTING
>BUUUUUURNING
>UCP UNIFOOOOOOOOORM

>>64995907
Are you dyeing UCP red? Why?

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>>64996361

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>>64996376
you know what you must consoom

>>64996361
It was supposed to be orange but I accidentally dumped more than half the container of dye, so then I just dumped the rest of it

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>>64996406
China can fix this with special cream you know

>>64996412
We got a special China link? I may try throwing some bleach on it later and/or bright spray paint.

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>>64996423
Reach out to Fang Jingye at FANG WONG STORE and ask for pic related, message the seller with code word "Tony Montana."
>oh wait you're talking about dye removal.
I would partially dye areas black so you kinda have something like MW2 Russian camo. It'll have character.

>>64996376
Less dyeing UCP, more restocking Burkina Dirt fatigues and San Marko coveralls, Logan.

>>64996448
>black dye
This might be an option. Going to see how it is tomorrow dried and then we’ll evaluate. Have a time limit of Tuesday at which point I’ll have to make any other changes next week.

>>64996470
nice. I just bought a Carver amplifier and wired it up to some nice 3-way DCM speakers. Shit's cash.

>>64996507
Hell yeah. This bag is actually a festival bag. It was a good test run for flc rigs later. We have 6sh117 at home.

>>64996376
I lol’d
>>64996406
Try coffee grounds

How much is my used JPC 2.0 worth? Only used for larping around the house, very little wear.

>>64996532
I can do this. Might do a tea coffee blend. Could hit during the boiling period tomorrow.

I'm sure this is in the infographics somewhere, but what does it exactly mean when a plate "expires"? I have a very hard time believing some inert ceramic strike face would degrade sitting on the shelf or even just being used without an incident.

>>64996539
from what Ive seen, good condition crye shit tends to hold value; you could get close to msrp for it. the real loss is in accessories; they'll pay more for a carrier if it comes with placards and pouches but never anywhere close to what they're worth individually.

>>64996772
It's really the warranty period. Ceramic plates are composed of several components / layers, not just a ceramic strike face.
Most of the layers, strike face / crack arrestor / backer / trauma padding, etc, are held together by adhesive. The adhesive is the actual point of failure over time, along with backer degradation due to the environment. You do the tap test to check for delamination caused by adhesive failure.
Polyethylene backers, especially early versions, are less robust than aramid. All-PE plates can be damaged by hot car trunks.
Additionally, the warranty period also represents how long the manufacturer thinks the plate will hold given arbitrary day to day handling. This is why steel plates often have twenty year warranties and ceramic or PE five. Not an excuse to run steel, but it is worth noting they are totally drop-proof. Ceramics are not fine china, but they are less durable than a lot of people think.

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>>64996308
>Interestingly, it also dyed the buckles.
Yeah, we used to dye our plastic Molex connectors to color code them. But theye were white or "natural".

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>>64996532
>Try coffee grounds
We be /pfg/ now!

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>>64997233

Ok guys, I'm completely new to shooting and tactical stuff in general. What stuff would I need to compete in USPSA/IDPA and 2 gun matches? Also, what camo is best for hunting down in South Florida Everglades and forests?

>>64997247
This depends. Are you native Floridian?

>>64997287
Basically. I was born in Atlanta but I've lived in Florida since I was five.

what is the meta for LBE

>>64997337
Good. Making sure you weren’t fucking northerner/New Yorker trash. You’ve got two routes for camo. Light browns do well to match the soil and trees. Greens work good for more of the overgrown swampy areas. If you see a puma, pet it, as it’s a good cat. Dying some ucp off eBay your preferred shade could yield fantastic savings.

>>64997337
Almost forgot - standalone camos you want flecktarn. I’ve heard woodland works alright too.

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Double post as I posted this in the wrong thread. Still sort of damp. I can’t tell if it’s just partially wet still, didn’t dye evenly, or both.

>>64997426
Well, that looks like crap and probably can't be saved without spray paint.

>>64997453
My thoughts exactly, lol. It looks like I brutally murdered someone and took their bag.

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Call me Picasso

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>>64997463
>brutally murdered someone and took their bag.
Oh, well when you put it that way, you're good. Seriously, maybe a good base for red and black tiger stripe.

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>>64997673
>good base
>This red digital pattern is not meant for concealment at all. Instead, it is a versatile and groundbreaking design that allows you to customize your projects and stand out in the realm of tactical monotony.
Lol. Pimp it digitally.

>>64997545
Hi Picasso. Can I offer you some crunchy granola?

>>64997678
>>64997673
This was wet paint result: >>64997545 I flipped it over in wet grass to do the back. I’m hoping this doesn’t end up bleeding and ruining my base shirt, but I’m beyond caring at this point. I do have a second hydration pack, so we could still do mw2 Russian red stripe/digital. I think the biggest take aways being: needs suspended in the dye for even dying, needs weighted down, and folds hinder the dye despite being submerged, just like tie dye

>>64997681
Mayhaps. The trash sniper now has a trash painted hydration pack. Rave worthy? Maybe.

>>64997696
>trash painted hydration pack.
I bought the same pack at Goodwill for ~$8, practically new, w/o bladder. Which is better new anyway, fucking Marines will channel Bear Grylis and pee in them.

>>64997735
I've heard they combat jack into em. Land and sea version of the barrel. The slurp bag.

>>64997735
That’s essentially what mine cost. Wasn’t going to settle for a used bladder though. I got that new. Just hoping it actually fits the pack

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>>64997749
>hoping it actually fits the pack
From my NSN research, this is right: https://a.co/d/0cBMG1eI

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>>64997760

>>64997735
>same
Nm, not same.

>>64997760
I just eyeballed it. Something with the closure valve. I’ve had mixed results with bladders in the past. Some days Im tempted to just attach a hose to an oversized Nalgene bottle.

>>64997545
I'd beat your ass for not putting cardboard down first

I use 2 liter canteens from Aliexpress. They're ten dollars and hold 2 liters.

>>64997780
>eyeballed it
Almost any 100oz/3L should be fine for that one. Mine seemed too provacative in shape for that, so I had to do some digging. It's carted for next month's Amazon order, summer is coming.

>>64997798
>and they swing around like wreaking balls on thier shoulder strap
I like mine in 3-color for the car.

>>64997795
You don want these hands bruh. You’ll leave in multiple colors too, mainly black & blue
>>64997815
This is what I figured. Worst case I just cram the bladder in there and fill it in the bag.

>>64997821
I tie the pouches to my Jinwudun, you feel me?

Also, new plate from Gilliam Technical Services. The Helion RF1. NIJ RF1, so 3x 7.62x51mm M80, M193, or 7.62x39 mild steel core. Compare to NIJ Level III, which is six M80, no M193 or MSC. All-PE and weighs only two pounds. $250 a plate.
https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/products/model-6001-rf2-nij-0101-07-multi-curve-ultra-lightweight-ceramic-armor-plate-copy
Specs on paper are solid for the price (no free lunch...), but it's got only half the multi hit of the Hesco 3801 and other featherweight all-PE IIIs. Also, the usual stipulation this plate will lose to M855 except at an arbitrary very low velocity.

Still though, four pounds for a pair of multi curve .308 / M193 plates ain't bad. Curious if the 10x12 is actually 10x12 here.

Also they're discontinuing the Model 1023 aka RMA 1189 but not shit, 9969 not-Archon, and the 8002 IV++ plate in favor of the 6909 III + IV ICW IIIA, 6906, Helion, and RF2 stuff. Bad decision on the 1023 and 8002 IMHO.
Just a heads up, the supply of Swiss P AP protection below the Colossus is about to dry up.
https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/collections/surplus-stock

>>64997863
>$250 a plate.
>sold out
Cock tease.

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Final product. I may add some glow in the dark clear coat, not sure.

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>>64998001
Give him about a month and he'll be selling them on ebay for the same rate. Mr. Gilliam has a bad habit of releasing new shit before said new shit is really ready, so expect some tweaks like he did with the 9969. Pic rel is the rest of the lineup and is now horrifically out of date.

I'm not a huge fan of the new 6909. He's making a mistake dropping the 1023 and 0425 in favor of it. It weighs six pounds standalone and only stops 5.56 M855A1 and 7.62x39 MSC. Zero .308. It will raise to RF3 and RF2 (so 1x M2AP or 3x 7.62x51mm M80) if backed by IIIA or HG2, so you're at 6.7-6.8lb and $450 a plate assuming you can find good used IIIA.
More money than the no-drop LTC 27148s that Boomerproofme has been selling for two decades, but half the 7.62x51 M80 multi-hit in exchange for actually stopping something without soft armor and having .07 drop pro. The RMA XRT on paper competes with it evenly, but that comes with the caveat of being an RMA. Funny that even after all that time new shit is just sidegrades of old shit.

I'm under the belief the market for tungsten-rated plates doesn't actually exist outside of niche LE / mil applications and a handful of civie preppers, hence why the 8002 is being discontinued despite arguably being their best plate.

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>>64997426
Hey Elon.

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>>64998345
>tfw you dye your gear phillied red and you win $5k at the skill games so you buuuh real good in that aaaahhh

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>>64998345
Fixed that for you

>>64998389
Classic.

>>64998375
>>64998375
>>64998807
Philly Trash Sniper. The Council of Rizzlers has spoken. You must purchase the rizz cloak from Aliexpress and dye your red gear partially black.
Become the Trash King. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Put on your Robe: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809682841789.html?

and your Wizard Hat:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256810091667446.html?

>aww yeah, it's finally coming together

>>64998903
I’ll add it to the list, but first I must finish the trash ghillie soon. Those cloaks could make good bases for winter suits. Need to do this well before harvest season because I have plans for another suit, but need specific material.

>>64999259
What's the second suit supposed to be like? I'm intrigued.

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VelSys has a new plate cut on the horizon with their "Wraith" system.
>Our Next Gen Protective System not only provides 20% more protective coverage, it delivers 20% greater mobility…all in a package that weighs less than legacy SAPI.
So the new plate, probably an LSAPI or PBZSA follow-on good for M80 / BZ API / M855A1, provides 20% more coverage than classic SAPI but weighs less than 4lb even in this new high-coverage cut. Guess Integris (formerly Tencate) has been making moves. Curious if anyone but Integris / VelSys has signed onto the new cut, since it'll need special carriers.

>>64999302
I can’t give too much away right now, but there will be signs. It’s a specific type of veg. It dyes and paints great. July-August timeframe assuming I don’t get lost in the Gobi. I’ve done this idea before using the bungie method, but I’ve wanted an actual suit with tie downs with it. These are just the suits. The next aspect will be thermal detection.

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>>64999498
>The next aspect will be thermal detection.
The Ukrainians can help with that... even though these suits on ebay for solid prices should really be going to their own troops I'd think.
Anyways, these "gnome suits" as not-affectionately referred to by A2 kinda help with thermal detection. They heat up and are very bulky.

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We've been outplayed. Armored Boss now has a IIIA tea tray, used here in the hit tactical TV show Emiree in Pariss. It's about $400 even though it's literally just polyethylene (and I doubt very good PE...) in faux leather.

>>64999531
Ahh yes the Russian penguin suit. I want to diy test a few things along this line. I suspect the ideal solution being canopy but only from aerial point of view. Sometimes I wonder about car sun shields, but again one more thing to carry and decorate. Small added bonus might be a nice loophole but setup would be total ass.

>>64999582
Yeah, I can't realistically see gnome cloaks being used in combat. They're mostly used to travel by foot and are stowed at other times.
>I suspect the ideal solution being canopy but only from aerial point of view
The tricky thing is not having a "cold" blob clearly indicating there is an attempt to block a thermal signature somewhere. Maybe a folding insulated umbrella of some kind?
>Sometimes I wonder about car sun shields, but again one more thing to carry and decorate
Presents the "blob" problem still, I'd think. Also there's the problem of flock cameras providing a lateral detection method if used in conjunction with aerial detection.

Tunnels are the future man. Iranians are hiding in holes and have all their shit underground in "missile cities" underground for good reason.

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>>64999413
And here's the velsys "Wraith" plate in question. Name is VS-PSCW, I think. Front and back are different shapes, so this is basically a repeat of what Crye and Ceradyne were doing twenty years ago.
What's old is new.

>>64999595
I think now is the right time to use the infamous “no free lunch” line at least in terms of detection while on the move. I do like the umbrella idea. At least in terms of it being a bit more stable and not requiring a tie down. “Blob” issues still apply but there’s gotta be a solution out there somewhere.
>future
I propose tripod homes. Dig in, tripod up, canopy, front shield, Veg it up, etc. Only thing missing is power and sewer hookup. Also serves as free grave when the thermal mitigation fails.
>tunnels
On one hand, yes. Am tunnel connoisseur. On the other, not fully sold mainly due to logistics, maneuverability, and resource costs involved. Not to mention similar detection issues above for the same.

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>>64998903
>and your
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256810507704165.html?
Is this some kind of secret squirrel cage drop protection?
And wt UNHOLY f with the cookie tracking in these URLs?

>>64999531
>gnome suits"
Ah yes, "The Penguin" marches, we know not why...

>>64999582
>Sometimes I wonder about car sun shields
I have a free set from the indian casino, which is just another humiliation death video.

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>>64999701
>I think now is the right time to use the infamous “no free lunch” line at least in terms of detection while on the move
Very few things are truly perfect, that's for sure. Everything has a drawback. As for the umbrella I was thinking rig it on the back of your PC or assault pack, fold it up or down as necessary. Solution is doing what BAE Systems is doing and electronically raising or lowering temperature to masquerade the umbrella as something else (see ADAPTIV), but that's mucho-$$$$. Also won't work if OPFOR is multispectral and using NIR / SWIR / their eyes.
>I propose tripod homes. Dig in, tripod up, canopy, front shield, Veg it up, etc. Only thing missing is power and sewer hookup.
You know, I really have no idea how we're supposed to keep all this gear running in the shitpocalypse. Solar panels?
This is both a boon and a bane. Thermals have terrible runtime and most amateur users don't have the necessary backup power to keep them running for weeks on top of other stuff.
A thermal scope will get eight hours these days off an 18650 if you're lucky and/or police usage.
>On one hand, yes. Am tunnel connoisseur. On the other, not fully sold mainly due to logistics, maneuverability, and resource costs involved. Not to mention similar detection issues above for the same.
I was thinking more premade tunnels in built up areas, then maybe doing junction tunnels of your own to move around underground. Problem is access control.
My assumption is that wall penetrating radar (TWRI) will go down in price significantly and be the next frontier after NIR/SWIR/thermal fusion is mainstream. Rumor has it the Israelis already have very effective TWRI sensors on the Merkavas, so they can wallhack fuckers with tank shells. Combined with FLIR this could make things very untenable above ground. I'm just spitballing.

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>>64999712
>https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256810507704165.html
Oh no, that's just ventilation padding for your platecarrier. They make the same pads for your helmet as well. The idea is to create a wicking / airflow layer between the PC and your body. The Russian CAPs do the same thing but also act as very heavy duty trauma pads to get Granit plates below <17mm BFD.
I'm unsure how well these 4D pads would work if pressed into trauma reduction. The RMA method to improving drop protection is running a trauma pad in FRONT of the plate. It works but is crude. This can technically be done with any plates, even 0101.06 drop-proofed ones, if you need to shore up durability. NIJ drop test is actually not that hard.
>And wt UNHOLY f with the cookie tracking in these URLs?
Oh buddy you haven't seen anything yet unless you got the phone app. Don't. It's spyware of the highest caliber.
>>64999722
He's after the blyatman.
>>64999729
>from the indian casino
I've heard their security is top notch. Must be where the LTC 24855s are hanging out.

>>64999773
There is no safer place than a casino, unless it's in Laughlin!
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/biker-gangs-clash-in-casino-3-dead-gamblers-3237356.php

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Ordered a set of LTC 27105s, some eBay special polish 3A BALCS panels, and a Beez LVBC. Did I waste my money with the 27105s or are they decent for the price? I wanted to keep it light and moderately concealable.

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>>64999793
>At least 16 people were injured in the casino, police said, and the body of a fourth biker was later found on Interstate 40 in San Bernardino County.
Lol, somebody didn't like loose ends.
>>64999794
The 27105s aren't horrible but are long in the tooth. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the design predates the original Highcom 4SAS4 from 2008. Old school LTC "III/IV" plates, so they are on paper useless without soft armor but will make III and IV if backed by soft armor of sufficient strength. A lot of IVs will actually fail the six-hit III test so that's a point in that plate's favor.
Not all IIIA is the same, and 0101.04 / 2005IR has no conditioning checks, so you're frankly gambling on whether the plates will meet full requirements with that polish IIIA. $240 a plate from Bulletproofme (I assume) is a good price. Just keep in mind these have no drop protection requirements so if you dive on them in gear or the mailman is especially pissed off and the box isn't padded well... sorry.

>>64999729
I got banned from the casino so I’ll have to source one another way
>>64999754
I figured there was an electronic solution here, but holy hvac fuckery. All boils down to power and minerals, always. I dream of a future where we’re not spread across multiple battery types.
>tunnels
I dig what you’re getting at. Counterpoint being it’s not getting much better underground. Lidar, sar/imaging, seismic sensor fuckery, etc. Not to mention drone advances. In theory some hardening bonuses, but at the cost of significant power and maintenance cost outside of initial up front. Spitballing, but also: Nix ist umsonst digga

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>>64999794
Also forgot to mention that per Bulletproofme the 27105s are actually 9.5x11.6" and not 10x12, LTC was playing the nominal sizing game as early as the mid-00s. Not nearly as bad as pic related Highcom 10x12 where it's really more like 9x11, but you're still down slightly on coverage.
If I could give you a do-over I'd maybe give the Longfri 4SiCMH a hard look. Not proven in the drop department either, and Longfri is known for their own "the 10x12 is really 9.5x11.5" business, but it's way lighter at 5.7lb for a "10x12" versus 6lb for you plus whatever the weight is of the soft armor. Silicon Carbide-UHMWPE > Alumina-98 + Aramid. But... your plates are rated for Level III on top of IV and the 4SiCMH is just IV, so it could shit the bed after two hits depending on spacing. Also it's Chinese. Another option with a relatively good track record is the Militech RF3 Black Label, but that's got a minor 5mm cheat ring and it's approximately 10x12 as well.

No free lunch with armor, sadly!
>>64999850
>I dream of a future where we’re not spread across multiple battery types.
Dude they're trying to replace the 18650s with 21700s and the soda can flashlights using 4680s are taking over it's frankly getting ridiculous.
>I dig what you’re getting at.
*ba-dum tiss*
>Counterpoint being it’s not getting much better underground.
Technology is a bitch. Curiously they're making huge leaps with everything except body armor these days. Velocity Systems is a huge name and their new claim to fame for 2026 is a half-baked carrier and wider plates... which is what Ceradyne was doing in 2005 except Ceradyne's plates were lighter (hah!) and wouldn't lose to M995.
>Lidar, sar/imaging, seismic sensor fuckery, etc
We're kinda chasing the dragon here. Prioritize realistic equipment. For what it's worth, TWRI hand-scanners have been around since the mid-00s.
>Nix ist umsonst
Wish that slogan was around back when people were buying Hesco 4800s and Defender 275s...

Please make your own thread and fuck off.

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>>64999894

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>>64999894
Post gear. Even a camo hankie would validate you.

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>>64999914
NTA but here's some gear by that standard.

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>>64999914
>brb going to dollar general so i can buy a camo duck dynasty shirt so i can tell you people to shut the fuck up aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>64999914
>wearing a lotr map as camo
the fuck are you doing

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>>65000003
So they shall not pass.

>>64999929
VALIDATED.
>>64999951
INVALID.
>>65000003
INVALID, but a pass on digits.

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>>65000003
Do not UNDERRATE.

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>>65000003

>>65000011
>digits
Newfag.

>>65000020
Nice digits, frendo!

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>>65000020
>>65000029
These digits are UNEQUAL

>>65000033
I know, riiight? Best of all, I made a frendo!

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>>65000042
Amazing! Now the two of you can break down the doors to the local crack castle TOGETHER using a Rip and Ram from Botach!
Cue the music... the music of... TRUE FRIENDSHIP:
https://youtu.be/FXLY_5xaYFo?list=RDFXLY_5xaYFo&t=109

>>65000010
>>65000011
>>65000014
>>65000016
kek

we have fun here

>>65000085
fun and autism can coexist after all! Full armor frendos await, and many ladies or "ladies" in chainmail bikinis shall giveth the aaaahhhhh.

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Aahhh.

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>>64991618
Its basically just velcro that doesnt inspire confidence. No holes obviously
Best thing would be epoxying some eyelet leads to it and then clipping those to helmet as needed
>>64992598
Mostly just to elicit this reply

>>65000982
that cat is so mid her name must be Hesco 4601.

Anyone know a reputable vendor for mid/high cutting an ACH for ear pro?

>>65001262
That's a man.

>>65001317
That cat is so mid his name must be Highcum 3S9M.

>>65001264
Kustom ach

>>65001429
sounds liek Kustom way to compromise yer bucket fr fr

>>65001466
You’re cutting the helmet either way. Unsure what the expectation here is. In theory fine as long as it’s sealed and appropriately cut. There’s factors like stranding, but not much else you can do otherwise besides pad fuckery to fit ears under, which isn’t exactly great.

>>65002006
NTA, but the helmet isn't designed to be cut and you're risking compromising ballistic performance. "In theory" only works if the work is perfect.
IMO, want a high cut, get a high cut. Don't risk compromising a perfectly good full cut. Bonus is that you now have two helmets. Downside is money.
>pad fuckery
I uh just take the center pads of my BA3A out and it fits over-ear walkers fine. Obviously it's way more convenient to have them on the helmet, but I personally value coverage.

>>65002083
You’ll have to do your homework on this one as working off memory, but they were cut at factory to shape off blanks. Now, you could argue oem vs third party doing the cut, but ultimately we’re talking surplus here. Do we really want to rely on ballistic rating? Cost is really the only determinant here. Like I said, *should* be fine, but if there’s the coin available and an expectation you may be 360 no scoped, then no excuse. Like all surplus, it’s not special nor some sacred relic. Go wild either modifying.
>pads
Ultimately depends on your use. I value the integration over coverage as using it as a nvg host, but again just modify to needs. It’s a damn ach we’re talking here.

>>65002223
>but they were cut at factory to shape off blanks
That's before pressing the fibers into a mold and before being covered in a sterile industrial environment.
>Now, you could argue oem vs third party doing the cut, but ultimately we’re talking surplus here.
Ceradyne or another big time vs some dude in his garage favors the former by a mile.
>Do we really want to rely on ballistic rating?
Armor doesn't expire absent egregious design defects like bad adhesive. People use surplus all the time and it works. Do your condition checks and you can rely on surplus all day.
>Like I said, *should* be fine
Should isn't good enough. Not intending to be an ass here, but this is why people coped with problem plates like Highcom 4SAS4s and no-drop RMA 1165s. Would you accept a parachute that *should* work for skydiving? Obviously nothing is truly 100%, but we gotta be more stringent than that.
Keep the ACH as is. There are cheap high cuts out there.

>>65002258
>pressing the fibers
It could very well could be me misremembering or thinking of something else. I could have sworn the cut occurred after pressing. You know if the same applied for pasgt?
>Armor doesn't expire
See I flip flop on this just due the age and handling factor. Brings us closer to the *should* territory. You can perform tests and they *should* pass but you don’t get any concrete data beyond unscientific checks. Beyond semantics though, I think the question is should you rely on an ach for protection when better alternatives are out there.
>summary
Cut the ach. Add cat ears to cope.

>>65002497
The UHMWPE or aramid arrives as a square anyways from Honeywell or Dyneema, DuPont, etc, so it always gets cut before pressing. Specific steps after that will vary based on the manufacturer, to address your PASGT question. PASGT is a standard, not a helmet, there are numerous models. Same deal with ESAPI for example. An LTC 28534 and Ceradyne VI-10 are both ESAPIs. Former is a J, latter a G. You can get a PASGT from several different companies, especially if you include the later quasi-IIIA types.
>armor expiration
Age doesn't matter. Storage conditions do. There are 50 year old vests that have been stored well and work. Hell, I'd be willing to bet some of the silk vests from the 1920s will make rating if stored appropriately.
The killer is making sure moisture and other contaminants don't get into the helmet during the garage high cut conversion. As for handling, that matters for ceramics and PE stuff first. That would be an ACH Gen II with the PE. A Gen I aramid would maybe be more stout.
>I think the question is should you rely on an ach for protection when better alternatives are out there.
ACHs are great. Most IIIA is made up.

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Is this what peak performance looks like? And should I not like it?

>>65002851
>Fort 20 pistol $1000
>UAR-15 $2852
they're getting scammed

>>65002851
>level 5
Oh, right, DSTU, not NIJ. $1100 for a pair of probably Chinese material sorta-kinda "III++" plates is shit unless good B4C and PE is used so they're light. Militech's B4C Level IV is $1k/set for individual sales, so mil contract should be cheaper especially for lower level plates which use thinner ceramic. I agree with the other guy they're getting reamed.

Ukraine has a bad history of getting fucked in the ass on armor. Hyperion. Highcoom. Battle Steel. Longfri. Even UARM has reported issues.

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I am.stunned that war profiteering exists in 2000AD+26.

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>>65002997
It’s just a dream. The ach cut isnt real.

>>65003188
Looks legit. Even though I never watched a single episode of 'Dark Angel', I'm thinking that because Steven Spielberg was Exec Prod, the cgi was even better.

>>65003993
>Steven Spielberg
*James Cameron

>>65002851
Hard to beat the DCS even 10+ years later

>>65002851
>7" FPV
>$500
The boxer is also like $130
Assuming they are buying all of this shit piecemeal and paying retail its a like 30% grift on all these prices minimum. But since its bulk its probably closer to 40-60% grift.

S to spit

>>65004372
Lol, VelSys PBZSA of carriers.
>>65004399
Where's Rusanon when you need him to tell us the eyebrow is raised.

I'm looking for an XXL helmet, what are good options?

I'll settle for a bump helmet at this point. also fuck team wendy $2,500 shit.

>>64999699
Food for thought, I will be very surprised if this plate cut takes off. 20% more coverage means 20% more area, 20% more weight.
A Hesco 4403 in this would be 9.5lb. Mega yikes. Hesco 4800 6.12lb, which isn't terrible actually but we're talking $3.5k/set for that. Ye olde steel plate for 8.5lb would be 10.5lb. Adept Colossus 8lb, Gilliam 8002 10.7lb. For PE plates, 2.5lb for the Hesco 3801 and 2.58lb for the Gilliam Helion. Colossus Heavy would be 11lb.

SAPI = 4.8lb
ESAPI = 6.5lb
XSAPI C = 7.2lb
LSAPI = 4.2lb (standalone)

General rule of thumb is that plate weight should not exceed 6lb if you wear a 10x12 or SAPI M, going off an old Natick paper. The new cut here means most plates now go over.

>>64993356
Cool, glad I could help anon.

>>64996318
Kek

>>65004748
What size are we talking exactly?

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Body armor on ~30% off sale.

>>65004940
Hunk the Forbidden One could'a used this against Leon Kennedy.

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>brass trim chain link

>>65004924
hat size 8 1/8, 25 5/8 inches, 65 cm.

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